home entertainment wiring nightmare (help!)

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One of the things severely hampering efforts to get our new apartment into more livable shape is that I can't figure out how to wire the stupid TV/VCR/DVD/cable box combo so that they all work. We had it working at the old apartment, but I don't remember how and I stupidly didn't note the wiring configuration before I packed it up. Anybody have any tips? Basically, the TV has just one set of in/out RCA jacks on the back, so I can connect either the DVD player or VCR there, although the DVD seems like the best bet because it is not otherwise networkable. I think that what I need to do is wire the VCR to the cable box and have the cable run either from the wall to the VCR to the cable box to the TV, or from the wall to the cable box to the VCR to the TV, but damned if I can make the VCR work that way. (That is, the cable connection flows fine through the VCR, but the VCR isn't working, no matter how many different configurations of in/out RCA plugs I use between it and the cable box.)

Hellllp!

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sure you'd have said if so, but does the tv have a scart socket?

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Wall->Cable box->DVD ->VCR ->TV

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

is your vcr (in the setup menu) set to receive cable properly?

you should get Y connectors so you can plug both the dvd and the cable box/vcr into the back of the tv (unless the dvd player has an input then do what dave says)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

not Y connectors, the signal will be divided. If you want to do this you'll need a distribution amplifier.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a technical dunce -- what's a scart socket?

My DVD player doesn't have a cable input or output...

I guess I should narrow the question to exclude the DVD player, since I'm just hooking that directly to the TV. What's confounding me is the VCR-cable box connection. I can get the cable part of it to work fine by going through both of them and then to the TV, but not the VCR part.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't checked the VCR setup menu. But first I need to get it functional enough that I can get to the menu.

Thanks for the suggestions, though.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

SCART is a big rectangular plug with 25 pins, that is found in europe only as far as i know. It combines stereo audio and combinations of composite/s-vhs/component video bidirectionally on one interconnect.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

you can't have the base of the Y plugged into the tv input, one arm of the Y into the dvd output, and the other arm of the Y from the cable/vcr/whatever?

(perhaps i am digging myself a deeper hypothetical hole)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yes you could you'd have to be sure that one device was off whilst the other was on a switch would be better.

the ideal solution would be a home cinema amp. That would solve all of the video/audio routing connundrums.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

OK so there's RCA out on the DVD, RCA in on the TV, and Coaxial (cable) in and out on the cable box, coaxial in and out on the VCR, and a coaxial in on the TV right?

DVD via RCA to TV
Cable from wall to cable box, cable box to VCR, VCR to TV. Then just make sure VCR is set to push the cable signal through (VCR/TV button on remote) and that should make it work.

Is that your setup?

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I think (from first post) that TV is RCA In only?
& Presumably VCR has RCA In/Out also ?

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The scart would be a rectangular one, about 3/4" by 2" maybe. If you can plug the dvd directly into the tv not through the coaxial that could be where it goes.

If you can watch cable when the cable box is plugged into the tv via the vcr, then the vcr's signal is fine; therefore you need to fix the vcr setup (i.e. what mookieproof said), I think. Maybe the tuning of the tv has reset so the channel you used to watch the vcr on doesn't pick it up?

Oh I dunno. What everyone else said.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

RCA is not the same as RF Coax which is the bare minimum a TV will have.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

TOMBOT: Yeah, that's what I've got, and what I've been trying, but the VCR's not working. But maybe I'm overwiring. In your suggestion, do I just dispense with the VCR RCA cables altogether? In other words, is coaxial/RCA an either/or option with the VCR, or do they all have to be connected?

dave: Actually, the TV has RCA in and out jacks.

Another friend has suggested an alternative of wiring the DVD to the cable box, the cable from the wall to the cable box, cable box to VCR, VCR to TV. Which someone on here might have suggested to, I get confused. Anyway, I'll monkey around with all of these things and wait for some magic combination of connections.

Thanks.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, ditch the rca cables on the VCR, just use the coaxial, see if that works.

If you wire the DVD player downstream from the VCR as your friend suggested it's highly likely you'll see signal degradation (brightness of DVDs fading in and out) because of copy protection. DVDs don't like to be played through VCRs sometimes, it depends on your player though I think.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

It's alive!

Thanks for the assists.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

get a new tv with more inputs

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I long for a TV with more RCA and SVideo outputs than I can use.

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Now don't ever move again. :)

Or, next time:

Take some masking tape and label the wires your disconnecting.
It really helped me even when I didn't change houses. I think I was just adding a new unit or something.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

DEAN: COMPONENT VIDEO.

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

It's alive!

so what was the problem/solution ?

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Basically as outlined by TOMBOT. I was doing two things wrong: going from the VCR to the cable box instead of the other way around, and then messing around with all the RCA plugs when all I needed was the coaxial connection. So the solution was way simpler than I imagined it to be.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
So, we're going to need a new amp soon, and I feel like it's about time I joined the modern age and got something capable of dealing with Dolby 5.1. What exactly do I need to look for? I see that my Macbook is capable of providing digital output via the mini Toslink socket (whatever that means) - is that going to be able to go straight into any amp capable of dealing with Dolby 5.1 via an optical cable, or do I need something more specific?

toby, Monday, 19 March 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

pretty sure your standard AV amp these days has every kind of input possible.

sexyDancer, Monday, 19 March 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Gee this thread is fun, I just love it when ILX talks sexy!

Seriously, I just printed this entire thread out so I can look at rewiring my bedroom setup so hubby can watch his damn sports in the bedroom even if Tivo wakes up and wants to change the channel. He doesn't seem to notice the GLARING red lite on Tivo and he changes teh TV channel and F's up my Tivo'd show. Can someone assist me in the interface with TV, DVD, VCR, satellite box, Tivo and Receiver? Feh, I don't want to have to hire someone to come and do it, when it's probably just something mis plugged like Spittle.... I used to be so great at all this but then the technology went over my head.

Wiggy Woo, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

anybody out there? I went to dinner hoping to find an assist from fellow ILXers and got zip, zilch, nada. Off to sleep now and hoping somebody with the tech savvy will post here by my morning!

Wiggy Woo, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

pretty sure your standard AV amp these days has every kind of input possible.

OK - but they don't all have surround sound capability, do they? And I'm not even sure if they do all have digitlal inputs - having just glanced at cheap models on Amazon, the first thing I found was:

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-Amp-100-2-Channel-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6/ref=sr_1_2/102-8284325-6700155?ie=UTF8&s=audio-video&qid=1174380772&sr=1-2

which doesn't appear to have digital inputs or 5.1 capability (although it does start talking about 6.1 and 7.1, which I've never heard of!).

toby, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 08:55 (seventeen years ago) link

5.1 = centre speaker and stereo front and stereo back + sub
(pro-logic only has a single channel for the surround speakers)
6.1 adds a centre rear
7.1 adds, er, another speaker

http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/Audio/surround_sound2.shtml

toslink are those squareish digital optical sockets.

that amp is only a two-channel amp, not an av amp. (plus it's american)

amazon.com has a 'home theater' section with av amps. else search for 'dolby digital'.

koogs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

wiggy, where are you (wiring is kinda country specific). and what do you mean by 'receiver'?

my tivo is set up like:

set top box -> tivo
ps2 -> vcr <-> tivo
tivo -> tv
dvd -> tv
set top box audio -> av receiver
dvd audio -> av receiver
tivo audio -> av receiver

(tivo has two scart sockets in, one out, video has scart passthrough, tivo has 2 scarts in. i don't use the receiver for switching video signals or anything like that)

but that's not gonna help someone ignoring the red light on the tivo. (i use the vcr bypass button and the tuner in the vcr if i need to watch something whilst the tivo is recording something else - tuner in the actual tv is broken)

koogs, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 10:25 (seventeen years ago) link

koogs - thanks! that helps a lot. actually i'm moving to america soon, so it'll be an american amp i'm after.

toby, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link


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