SOCIAL ANXIETY ALCOHOL AND YOU

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I AM DRINKING BEER BEFORE I SEE HIPPIE BABE

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link

clearly this has nothing to do with me, or, in fact, most of us

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link

thread title fraudulence

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I hope it's organic hemp beer.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I'M TAKING HALF A XANAX BEFORE I SEE MINI-DUNST TONIGHT

OKAY, JOKING, I'M TAKING A FULL ONE

LC, Friday, 10 September 2004 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link

IT IS "IMPORTED"

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I AM TAKING RITAIN

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, good luck with your lady friend Jon.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I WILL TAKE HER DREADLOCKS IN MY ARMS

MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link

and tug?

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 10 September 2004 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link

hahaha

Craig Gilchrist, Friday, 10 September 2004 06:44 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

social anxiety is a problem

Surmounter, Friday, 26 December 2008 06:08 (twelve years ago) link

it's always so funny to witness those people that are really good at parties

i had this one friend ashley, she was that girl that would make The Entrance, yknow? and she would wear hats, kind of girl? i always stared at her

Surmounter, Friday, 26 December 2008 06:09 (twelve years ago) link

A significant amount of alcohol at a party w/ friends = maybe I throw a chair off the deck or beat up the bathroom door for being insolent

Same amount of alcohol at party w/ people I don't know = I will regale the group with college stories and be AN HERO to the masses

<3 you, booze, perhaps you take it easy next time in re: hangover

en i see kay, Friday, 26 December 2008 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

SOCIAL ANXIETY AT BARS MEANS THAT

i am bleeding at my head.

is this one thing that got my trippin

Sven Hassel Shutthefuckup (Matt P), Friday, 26 December 2008 06:38 (twelve years ago) link

nanananana oh

Sven Hassel Shutthefuckup (Matt P), Friday, 26 December 2008 06:38 (twelve years ago) link

just 1 thing that got me slippin

Surmounter, Friday, 26 December 2008 06:38 (twelve years ago) link

love weeds the showtime show know whatimean

Sven Hassel Shutthefuckup (Matt P), Friday, 26 December 2008 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

social anxiety + alcohol = disappearance of social anxiety, beginning of too-loud laughter and indiscriminately hitting on everyone. not sure that it's an improvement....

Maria, Friday, 26 December 2008 06:52 (twelve years ago) link

(ok, somewhat discriminately, but far less so than when sober.)

Maria, Friday, 26 December 2008 06:53 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yes.

thieverend (tehresa), Friday, 26 December 2008 07:00 (twelve years ago) link

red wine and in-laws, never

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 26 December 2008 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

i try not to drink now cos it makes me depressed

well i still drink a bit

but where i used to go out, get really drunk and have a good night, now doing the same usually means i end up on a downer

so, little to no drinking = best solution

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:46 (eleven years ago) link

A significant amount of alcohol at a party w/ friends = maybe I throw a chair off the deck or beat up the bathroom door for being insolent

Same amount of alcohol at party w/ people I don't know = I will regale the group with college stories and be AN HERO to the masses

<3 you, booze, perhaps you take it easy next time in re: hangover

― en i see kay, Friday, December 26, 2008 12:29 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is disturbingly accurate in my case

crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

Same amount of alcohol at party w/ people I don't know = I will regale the group with college stories and be AN HERO to the masses

See what beer does to you: makes you a HERO. wink wink

Beer (or alcohol) makes me exceptionally recalcitrant. Problem is also that when I do drink - which is very rare - I immediately go overboard and want to get as drunk as possible. Nowadays I rarely if ever drink.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

"i immediately go overboard and want to get as drunk as possible."

ditto.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 18:46 (eleven years ago) link

but where i used to go out, get really drunk and have a good night, now doing the same usually means i end up on a downer

i resemble that remark

electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

I have to accept that I shouldn't be drinking at all for a bunch of reasons. Its taking me awhile to get the resolve to stick to it but Im trying. Also helps that Im not in my 20s anymore and my social life doesnt revolve around getting shitfaced. =\

mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

social anxiety + alcohol = disappearance of social anxiety, beginning of too-loud laughter and indiscriminately hitting on everyone. not sure that it's an improvement....

Haw, this is me to a T.

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

have not had a drink in about half a year (though i'll occasionally have a small sip or two in social situations to put drinkers at ease).

one of the main reasons i quit was that i've been drinking to ease MASSIVE, CRIPPLING social anxiety for basically my entire adult life. and i eventually just got tired of it. i find now that i'm surprisingly comfortable out and about without it - even at parties where i don't know many people.

other reason, of course, was that i was starting to regularly down at least 3 or 4 drinks a day - 8-10 (or more) when i was making a night of it. and i'm getting old, and my neurons are burning out fast enough as it is, and it costs a ton of money, and i'd like to just be me for a while, instead of me plus or me minus or whatever.

i recommend it.

a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

So I've found that the (probably inadvisable) combination of Ativan and a minimum of two pints of beer makes it possible for me to be around people without wanting to scream and hide. Which is not a terribly helpful realization, since it's not like I could go spend all day every day completely hammered, and it comes distressingly late in life after the cycle of social anxiety/depression/failure/more anxiety managed to totally fuck up years 12-27, but it's a start. I have another book club meeting tomorrow night, and this time I think I'll try adjusting the ratio of pills to booze and see where that gets me.

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Monday, 29 November 2010 23:26 (ten years ago) link

...or not. Hooray for 12-hour workdays and flu-shot hangover!

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 22:52 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15265317

dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:19 (nine years ago) link

that is an excellent article!

octavio paz de la huerta (c sharp major), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:35 (nine years ago) link

or at least, you know, it reaffirms something i kind of already think, but more authoritatively, which makes it seem excellent to me

octavio paz de la huerta (c sharp major), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:35 (nine years ago) link

yeah, definitely, and the same kind of goes for a lot of demonised things - football culture, recreational drugs etc. People often turn into football louts and wake'n'bake stoners because that's what they believe the culture expects of them etc. Whereas you can follow football/smoke pot every day if you treat it as just that, without beating people up or wearing clip-on-dreadlocks etc...

dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:39 (nine years ago) link

yeah, but that'd be missing the whole point......

shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:45 (nine years ago) link

the phrase 'functioning football hooligan' is now bouncing around in my head.

shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:46 (nine years ago) link

dont know if i agree with that article but its interesting nevertheless

Michael B, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 12:47 (nine years ago) link

pretty sure alcohol has some effects on me that are not culturally conditioned

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 14:50 (nine years ago) link

in mediterranean countries when you drink alcohol you never have to pee

max, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 14:54 (nine years ago) link

not having a fucking clue where you've been for several hours is part of the British mentality

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 14:56 (nine years ago) link

it's almost as if Kate Fox of the Social Issues Research Centre has exaggerated and misinterpreted something with an element of truth in it in order to make an exciting story

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 14:58 (nine years ago) link

nor, indeed, a clue who you've been fucking

shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:01 (nine years ago) link

It's almost as if Noodle Vague has exaggerated and misinterpreted this news story in order to make an exciting post

antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:03 (nine years ago) link

In high doses, alcohol impairs our reaction times, muscle control, co-ordination, short-term memory, perceptual field, cognitive abilities and ability to speak clearly. But it does not cause us selectively to break specific social rules.

antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:03 (nine years ago) link

I AM DRINKING BEER BEFORE I SEE HIPPIE BABE
― MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Thursday, September 9, 2004 8:13 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wrestlingisreal420 (crüt), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:03 (nine years ago) link

In high doses, alcohol impairs our reaction times, muscle control, co-ordination, short-term memory, perceptual field, cognitive abilities and ability to speak clearly. But it does not cause us selectively to break specific social rules.

"selectively"

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:04 (nine years ago) link

I have broken specific social rules while on alcohol because my cognitive abilities do not react in time to catch me from doing/saying stupid-ass shit

wrestlingisreal420 (crüt), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:05 (nine years ago) link

"firing a machine gun into a crowd kills random strangers but it does not cause us selectively to shoot our boss"

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:06 (nine years ago) link

That is true, social and cultural factors are what cause us to shoot our bosses. idg yr point tbh.

antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:09 (nine years ago) link

The effects of alcohol on behaviour are determined by cultural rules and norms, not by the chemical actions of ethanol.

she is making "determined by" do a lot more work than it shd in this sentence is all i'm saying

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:09 (nine years ago) link

there are social and cultural factors at play in the behaviour of people who've consumed alcohol. who has ever asserted that this isn't the case? when some Daily Mail hack gets all weepy about "Binge Britain" he quite deliberately isn't referring to MPs caning it into the small hours in House of Commons bars or senile old gits wacked out of their gourds on claret at Boodles or indeed pissed up hacks.

so she's saying that something most people have never claimed is false, is true. sterling work.

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:12 (nine years ago) link

The drinkaware website, for example, warns young people that a mere three pints of beer (ie a perfectly normal evening out) "can lead to anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour"

is this blaming social and cultural factors, or the booze? where are campaigns to e.g. reduce happy hour promotions focussing their efforts?

antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:16 (nine years ago) link

max gladwell had a piece on this sort of thing a while ago

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:17 (nine years ago) link

they are blaming alcohol because that is also a contributing cause to those behaviours.

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:20 (nine years ago) link

Fox might well have a nuanced view about the either/or effects of social structures and biochemistry on human behaviour, but this article is an attempt to explain all behaviour in terms of social structure and i find it unconvincing.

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:21 (nine years ago) link

clearly tho nobody from mediterranean Europe has been pissed and rowdy ever

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:22 (nine years ago) link

The drinkaware website, for example, warns young people that a mere three pints of beer (ie a perfectly normal evening out) "can lead to anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour"

is this blaming social and cultural factors, or the booze? where are campaigns to e.g. reduce happy hour promotions focussing their efforts?

― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:16 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

It's manifold really. Among the reasons stated by the anti-cheap booze brigade are:

a - campaigning to promote better health through drinks curbing
b - against people going apeshit and throwing up everywhere on a Saturday night
c - (slightly more obscure) - wish to promote the dying pub trade by acting against cheap booze from off licences and supermarkets. Good in theory, but they have to make pubs good again for it to work.

dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:27 (nine years ago) link

i shd stop expecting philosophical caution and temperate language in opinion pieces tbh

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:30 (nine years ago) link

this reads like an onion article

Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:31 (nine years ago) link

you read like an onion article.

dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:32 (nine years ago) link

Fox might well have a nuanced view about the either/or effects of social structures and biochemistry on human behaviour, but this article is an attempt to explain all behaviour in terms of social structure and i find it unconvincing

I think this is a real straw-man reading of the article, she pretty clearly states she's not trying to explain "all" behaviour like that. If I have a complaint it's that her analysis of the social/cultural factors is too simplistic, and changing the perception of alcohol alone probably won't have the effect she would like. But it might be worth a try.

antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:34 (nine years ago) link

that is the burden of being area woman

Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:34 (nine years ago) link

she's not "wrong" but basically in re: public perception of alcohol in the usa and uk, well that horse left the barn quite some time ago.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:36 (nine years ago) link

that is the burden of being area woman

― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:34 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

;-)

dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:52 (nine years ago) link

she's not "wrong" but basically in re: public perception of alcohol in the usa and uk, well that horse left the barn quite some time ago.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:36 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

how so? we get "binge britain" stories in the papers every week (with the same fucking stock photos) - how is that not a popular and warped perception of alcohol?

dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:54 (nine years ago) link

no what i mean is i'm not really sure much can be done about it at this point.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:57 (nine years ago) link

i thought i saw the horse headin out alright but that was about tennish and tbph i was already fuckin scattered

shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:27 (nine years ago) link

Alcohol, I hate you, I love you, I can't go on living with you and I can't live without you. (in a socially acceptable way)

When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:28 (nine years ago) link

i've a cosy non-dependent relationship with alcohol, for an irishman

shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:30 (nine years ago) link

So someone on FB pointed out that apparently, as some people here might have predicted, this lady is a lobbyist and may well have an agenda. I feel weird for wanting to agree with her now, even though I do on the whole.

dog latin, Thursday, 13 October 2011 08:58 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

I feel alcohol to be a better social lube while weed is more for solo ops or friendly fire

calstars, Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:20 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

COVID lockdown as a supercharger of social anxiety

| (Latham Green), Friday, 16 April 2021 15:21 (three months ago) link

the advent of additional social rules wrt pandemic behavior and stuff has been not great for social anxiety

brimstead, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:06 (three months ago) link

Zoom meetings have actually helped my social anxiety a lot. Being asked to speak in a staff meeting used to turn me red with embarrassment and stammering. I've been contributing a lot more in zoom meetings, taking the lead in some discussions, etc.

Socializing with people in person is still mostly a complete disaster for me. I always used to reach for booze in an attempt to get over it, but it never worked. My experience in my 20s was that I'd just keep drinking in the hopes that I'd get over the anxiety hump, but I'd never really lose any inhibition until maybe 10 minutes before I needed to find a bathroom floor to pass out on.

peace, man, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:22 (three months ago) link

So has getting older helped at all?

tobo73, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:46 (three months ago) link

I somehow have developed into a decent public speaker. I credit all the sports talk/baseball games radio I listen to teaching me about pacing and filler words and how to pause without totally freaking out... idk maybe getting older is a part of it? Glad to hear it’s gotten better for you too, peace, man

brimstead, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:59 (three months ago) link

I usually can't decide if its more social anxiety or just social aversion for me. Is there a difference?

| (Latham Green), Friday, 16 April 2021 20:08 (three months ago) link

I’ve had to do a ton more public speaking and presenting in the last year and I feel it’s definitely a skill that you can improve at just by practicing and doing it over and over.

calstars, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:17 (three months ago) link

Zoom meetings have actually helped my social anxiety a lot. Being asked to speak in a staff meeting used to turn me red with embarrassment and stammering. I've been contributing a lot more in zoom meetings, taking the lead in some discussions, etc.

This is my experience too: a lot of in-person anxiety results from felt inadequacy in the body, as if I needed to be prepared to defend myself physically. Removing that variable has made it easier for me to speak relatively openly in some settings. Along the same lines, naturally loud people aren't necessarily as dominant via Zoom.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 16 April 2021 20:20 (three months ago) link

a lot of in-person anxiety results from felt inadequacy in the body,

Interesting thought!

So has getting older helped at all?

Not much. I'm better at socializing sometimes, but mostly not. Social situations for me these days are rare and pretty much amount to talking to other kids' parents.

peace, man, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:58 (three months ago) link

I mean, I don't fall asleep on the bathroom floor anymore.

peace, man, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:59 (three months ago) link

I never use alcohol for social anxiety but seeing as how everyone else seems to I think maybe I should. It is the big legal sedative everyone uses all the time yet does not seem to see as similar to other powerful drugs

| (Latham Green), Sunday, 18 April 2021 11:31 (three months ago) link

less fun, worse withdrawal. if you're not dependent on it yet keep it that way

the social lubricant thing has always had disappointing results for me- there's less anxiety but i'm still unable to participate in a normal conversation. combining it w (prescription) amphetamines is the only way to get me to talk & then the alcohol is more or less beside the point. wouldn't need any of that shit if i could actually relate to more than like 5 ppl who are never in the same room/city/country (so much of what i thought was lifelong social anxiety is just being surrounded by ppl i can't trust w anything i care about)

zoom is even worse than irl for me but if i'd been using it all year i might feel differently

searching for my black dope yes I am (Left), Sunday, 18 April 2021 12:14 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

maybe sugar is the true social ubricant

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:22 (one week ago) link

Yeast. A spoonful of marmite would do the job.

chap, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:26 (one week ago) link

Ice cream works as a social lubricant imo

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:26 (one week ago) link

we're talking about ubricants, not lubricants

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:54 (one week ago) link


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