WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

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amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link


amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link


THE SEQUEL! I loved those movies.

andy, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, waterworld was great too


amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

'westworld' is very good.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

yul brynner was a sorbonne-educated psycopath who drilled through his big toe on crack!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

and kneed a (female) co-star in the groin!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

and a potential genius who squandered his talent.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I got to see this movie on a plane... britishairways had a vintage channel as one of its movie channels; great stuff!

dave k, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"worng" should be a new ilx meme.

i have seen this film two times. both times i was high.

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I was about to be mega-shocked to see a typo in an Amateurist thread. Thankfully all is right with the universe.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

the first time i

(a) began asking my roommates some elaborate question about how they turned off the robots after the park closed, and whether they were rust-protected

(b) ate three bowls of oatios (blecch)

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Westworld is great. Arnie nicked all Yul Brynner's moves for the Terminator movies, to lesser effect.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm dying to listen to that malkmus album now thankyouverymuch.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a futureworld poster (not pictured) in my bathroom!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

is future world one of those "BUT DID THEY LEARN? NO!" sequels?

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i haven't seen it (it's not my poster), but it does feature a fleeing peter fonda and blythe danner. and the tag is something like "futureworld... where you can get every sensual desire fulfilled! the price: $1000 a day... and your life!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

that's kind of expensive

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"And in a funny way, the shaving of my, uh, head has been a liberation from, uh, a lot of, uh, stupid vanities really. Uh, it has simplified everything for me, it has opened a lot of doors maybe."

I'm not what you think I am
I'm the king of Siam
I've got a bald head
My name is Yul Brynner
And I am a famous movie star

Perhaps you saw me in Westworld
I acted like a robotic cowboy
It was my best role
I can not deny I
Felt right home deep inside
That electronic carcass

You're such monumental slime
Let the punishment fit the crime
Tie it to a chair
The house music will blare
And turn your ears into
A medicinal jelly

Stay inside on Christmas Day
And make believe that you are my candy cane
You said, "I'm not that type,
No I'm not sweet, and I'm not overripe

Bob Dylan sang in
"Its alright mama im only bleeding":
"Everything from toy guns that spark to flesh colored Christs that glow in the dark
Its easy to see we got in too far and not much is really sacred."

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

This is the greatest movie poster in the history of the universe


Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link


Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Omni magazine to poster!


Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I think this is the best movie poster ever:

but still, these are awesome.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link


cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yl Brynnr.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i'll do nothing of the sort.

jones (actual), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i have seen this film two times. both times i was high.


adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

cozen's brynner bio upthread is ribald & delightful but what does it mean??

jones (actual), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

i can't seem to find futureworld on DVD anywhere (it isn't available on Netflix).

anyway, i wonder if crichton's death means that there won't be a remake after all -- the original is a fun little movie. the obvious comparison would be to jurassic park, but i wonder if westworld also had some influence on the terminator (to wit, the relentless robot that can't be stopped absent a malfunction) or even the nightmare on elm street series (yul brynner with his melting face and on fire seems very freddy krueger-esque).

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Amazed this hasn't been remade yet. Happy it hasn't but seems like a surefire property for a cgi happy retread.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Just now remembering exactly how postmodern this movie is.

Vault Boy Bobblehead - Drinking (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link

six years pass...


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Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:41 (seven years ago) link

i can't seem to find futureworld on DVD anywhere (it isn't available on Netflix).

it was on (perhaps only UK) Netflix at least for a little bit. i must admit though I couldn't finish it.

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:55 (seven years ago) link


Sex World! Go on a spree.
Sex World! Come here with me.
All you desire, we have for hire;
You'll turn to fire, we guarantee.

Sex World! Do what you will.
Sex World! You'll have your fill.
Give us your trust; climb on our bus;
Leave the loving to us, so great it will be.

Sex World! Let's make a date.
Sex World! Don't hesitate.
You'll find your love, below or above,
At Sex World, my God! Just wait and see...

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:59 (seven years ago) link

Futureworld currently available as a Region 2 DVD in Fopp for £3

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 1 October 2015 13:30 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

who the hell was demanding an HBO series of this?


helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:23 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Who's ready? I'm ready. The casting is so overcooked, this has nowhere to go but sideways. I can't imagine it being good.

Also, great chance to plug Artificial intelligence still has some way to go - the thread that will still be here when it stops being true

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 5 September 2016 00:57 (six years ago) link

the cast means i'll def check out the first few episodes

im a big fan of jeffrey wright recently

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 September 2016 01:11 (six years ago) link

I rewatched the film a few months ago, it is not "great."

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 September 2016 02:13 (six years ago) link

i did like how Dick van Patten has maybe the 5th-biggest role, and perhaps 10-12 lines of dialogue

Yul is awesome obviously

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 September 2016 02:15 (six years ago) link


yeah, I feel like there's almost no way this isn't incredibly stupid


Number None, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 06:39 (six years ago) link


dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 13:51 (six years ago) link

someone told me ed brubaker is a writer on this... true?

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 15:05 (six years ago) link

looks like it!

I've enjoyed Vincenzo Natali's tv directing work, so the episode that credits Brubaker as primary writer and him as director sounds promising

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 15:10 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think they may have broken some kind of record for Idiot Plot in a television series - only 40 minutes in and you have a dude interrupting his boss to say "Isn't this a Bad Idea?"
Followed by the schtick villain played by Ed Harris doing schtick and then uh

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 01:47 (six years ago) link

Oh maybe next week they'll use string arrangements of songs that have the color "blue" or "white!"

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:00 (six years ago) link

Anyway, I think I can dig it, even if it does turn out that Jeffrey Wright and/or Sidse Knudsen turn out to be robots, which btw I'm just calling that now
If they DO run with the color-by-song-title arranged-for-faux-period-instruments idea, I think I'll actually end up liking it even more

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:32 (six years ago) link

helped by the fact that I was expecting a hot mess, I enjoyed that. I wonder if it was the pilot or the subsequent episodes that HBO had to retool?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 October 2016 04:04 (six years ago) link

Sorry that was glib. I'm still watching it because it's pretty and the futurism stuff is cool. Everything else is pretty hard-to-defend.

DJI, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:49 (two years ago) link

It is pretty, I think it's worth it for the architecture porn this season. And honestly, one of the better near-future set and prop designs I've seen on TV lately. Thought the rideshare cars and drones were really cool looking.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:52 (two years ago) link

It was funny how useless the riot control robot was in an actual riot situation

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 16:22 (two years ago) link

Agree that when it comes to production design, architecture, technology etc., this was one of the best-looking and most credible future predictions I've seen on TV (except for the silly evil AIs, I guess). They really put a lot of effort in all those details, too bad the plot didn't quite live up to it.

TBH, I think this season would've worked better as an independent series without the baggage from the previous seasons dragging down the main plot, which was mostly self-standing anyway. For example, is there really much point in dragging Ed Harris and Thandie Newton around, when pretty much all they got to do was rehash the same character moments they did last season, which had little to do with the AI plot?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:38 (two years ago) link

I was less into the architecture as a matter of plot because they used a bunch of existing buildings that are very aspirational and one-offs that get used as “the future” all the time! Very pretty, though

You could argue the use of buildings with those signifiers unironically are a strong indicator from the get-go that we’re seeing a dystopia

mh, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 19:21 (two years ago) link

At some point I just turn my brain off for a minute and watch hot robots kill people and mech robots smash through Calatrava architecture

This was the only approach to this show and even then there were diminishing returns. It's one valuable service was revealing how bad Aaron Paul is at acting. He was Vince Vaughn in True Detective Season 2 level bad, just much less distinctive.

Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Thursday, 7 May 2020 11:55 (two years ago) link

it was the slipping into batman voice whenever things got stressful that bugged me

thomasintrouble, Thursday, 7 May 2020 14:36 (two years ago) link

Paul just played a host version of Jessie where they increased his aggression rating by 50% and decreased his Limp Bizkit rating 25%.

Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Thursday, 7 May 2020 15:02 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Couldn't think of a better place to post this incredible, wide-ranging interview with Thandie Newton, where she talks about...everything, pretty much. Here's the Westworld-specific part, probably the least incendiary bit of the whole thing but still worth excerpting:

In Westworld, your performance is so poignant, both ferocious and beautiful. Do you have conversations with the showrunners around the arc of the season or where you would like your character to go?
I like to stay sane about my position, which is that I am being employed to tell someone else’s story. Where I do have a degree of choice is in taking the role, but once I’m in, I’m a team player. I do have frustrations with Maeve, but that’s part of her story line.

What are some of those frustrations?
Well, season one, the evolution of this robot who then has the revelation that she’s not human, and that she had a past that involved a child, and the betrayal of that, and then using information to empower herself — it was such a powerful story. I’m not surprised that it hooked people in. And then the second and third season has Maeve with a different directive, but it’s not her own. She’s following other people’s leads, by and large. In the first season, she was driving, dominating, pretty straightforward. I think Maeve is a metaphor for the dispossessed in the world, and she’s become that kind of leader, but she’s not had a chance to lead, and I don’t think she necessarily should. She certainly doesn’t want to.


k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:41 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

This show was terrible, a more expensive version of some random SyFy series shot in Vancouver, but what kept me watching is the bizarre way the show clearly thinks of itself as good, and in some ways it instantiates the themes it clumsily keeps expositing; it is an artificial product built to provide cheap, repetitive pleasures that is slowly coming to concede it is not the real thing

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 04:00 (one year ago) link

It was distracting but also somehow great to cast Todd Chavez as a tragic hero and just have him play the character in the exact same way, so that he's running around shooting a machine gun and bemoaning that his whole life has been stolen from him by hidden powers while deploying the exact affect of a hilarious fuck-up stuck on the couch

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 04:04 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Game of Thrones credit sequence: mechanical mapworld comes into being before your eyes.

Vinyl credit sequence: an LP comes liquidly into being before your eyes.

Westworld credit sequence: various biobots come liquidly into being before your eyes.

The Crown credit sequence: molten metal liquidly becomes a crown before your eyes.

I think we've found the MMteens' dominant visual cliché. It's the new teal & orange.

― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, November 14, 2016 8:51 AM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wheel of Time credit sequence: threads become a tapestry weaves itself before your eyes

Jeremy Ironist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 10 December 2021 18:55 (one year ago) link

I hope they did not replicate this trope for Kevin Can F**k Himself.

Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 December 2021 23:20 (one year ago) link

wheel of time kinda doesn’t count since the entire reason it exists is “we need a game of thrones” which lol

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Monday, 13 December 2021 03:55 (eleven months ago) link

Daredevil is another one that fits this cliche

Vinnie, Monday, 13 December 2021 05:01 (eleven months ago) link

Also Foundation I guess


groovypanda, Monday, 13 December 2021 08:32 (eleven months ago) link

Looks like one company, Elastic, is resposible for a lot of them


Wall is too humble to admit that his own work on Game of Thrones put his company, the design firm Elastic, on the map—but it has. Word of mouth spread since he won an Emmy for outstanding main-title design in 2011, and now these sequences have become a crucial part of Elastic’s D.N.A. On top of advertorial work, like producing the Comic-Con teaser for the Pacific Rim sequel and these viral videos for Batman v Superman, Wall’s team has collectively designed main titles for Westworld, American Gods, True Detective, The Night Manager, and The Crown—and that’s merely a surface-level rundown of Elastic’s prestigious and lengthy résumé.

...just as the design firm livens up the small screen on everything from HBO’s The Leftovers and The Young Pope to Netflix’s Daredevil and Iron Fist.

groovypanda, Monday, 13 December 2021 08:40 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Apparently, it’s on bbc1 in a bit.

Apparently, it’s 1hr and 25 mins long…


Mark G, Friday, 28 January 2022 23:09 (ten months ago) link

Just looked it up, yeah it's not a long film!

Mark G, Friday, 28 January 2022 23:33 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

Season 3 was fucking awful and yet I want to see if they can redeem themselves

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 21:21 (seven months ago) link

I expressed somewhat positive thoughts halfway through season 3 upthread, but by the end, even I wasn't really enjoying it. It's become such a dumb show. I'm surprised they renewed for S4 after S3 was universally hated but maybe they made the decision early

Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 23:31 (seven months ago) link

This show was terrible, a more expensive version of some random SyFy series shot in Vancouver, but what kept me watching is the bizarre way the show clearly thinks of itself as good, and in some ways it instantiates the themes it clumsily keeps expositing; it is an artificial product built to provide cheap, repetitive pleasures that is slowly coming to concede it is not the real thing

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, December 28, 2020 10:00 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

I stand by this judgment as an explanation of why I sat through all of the dire s3 and will do it again for s4

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:33 (six months ago) link


Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:14 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone still watching?

First episode was..ok?

And possibly all in the same timeline? Although I guess 'Christina's' world could be distinct?

groovypanda, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:16 (five months ago) link

I thought it was a decent first episode. I've pretty much completely forgotten what happened last season and I'm sure that's probably for the best.

From what I could tell, it's same timeline, 8 years down the road, and confirmed in an article that ERW is now playing a completely new character unconnected to Dolores (or at least that's what they are telling the press at this point)

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:18 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

It’s getting really good. It’s such a relief to not regret sticking around for this season.

I would love a webisode where they show us what Stubbs did to kill time while waiting for X years while waiting for Bernard to wake up. Maybe a montage of Stubbs playing solitaire, doing push-ups, battling raiders, reading “War & Peace,” etc.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 18 July 2022 13:27 (four months ago) link

Are there enough people watching this to care about spoiler tags here?

mh, Monday, 18 July 2022 14:31 (four months ago) link

I was wondering the same! I like this has gotten agreeably weird and I've given myself permission -- the show seems to have given me permission -- to not really care who anyone actually "is" at this point or what they're doing, it's all vibes

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:04 (four months ago) link

I haven't watched any of this season and don't know if I will but I feel that's the logical path for the show to take after the last season, where motivations for actions were impossible to decipher. I started enjoying the Hannibal TV show much more when it was obvious it wasn't going to make logical sense

Vinnie, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 05:55 (four months ago) link

Deep cut for the LOST heads:

Remember that show, and the character Michael who had such classic lines as "where's my boy?" and "WAAAAALT" and "I need to find my son!" (good lord did the writers do him dirty)

Well, in this show, Caleb is constantly worried about his wife and daughter. That daughter, in the many years later timeline, is played by Aurora Perrineau, the daughter of Harold Perrineau, who played Michael on LOST.

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 13:48 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Such pretentious dreck! It is not even, exactly, a TV show at this point. Just a canvas against which familiar actors wander around trying to get their mouths around terrible lines and pronouncing them in ways that doesn't even sound like English as spoken by humans. Which I guess it is mostly in fact not supposed to be. I really have a sensation that they made a show for no one to watch for algorithmic reasons I can't understand.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 August 2022 03:25 (three months ago) link

that season finale was uh, not good

mh, Monday, 15 August 2022 12:48 (three months ago) link

I’m not even gonna try to defend last night’s episode.

Kinda hoping Season 5 doesn’t happen after that, I’ve had enough.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 August 2022 20:44 (three months ago) link

i stopped after season 3 and was considering going back, this news is making me reconsider

akm, Monday, 15 August 2022 22:26 (three months ago) link

Felt like an end but most media outlets seem to think there'll be one more final season xp

groovypanda, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 07:33 (three months ago) link

i stopped watching in s1 did they fuck any robots yet

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 07:51 (three months ago) link

yeah does seem to like itself a bit much dunnit.
But i did get through to the end.
Looks like Tessa Thompson had the right idea. & elegantly crushing one's own memory ball might be teh correct response to the prospect of another series.
But maybe they need to explain this one

Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 08:28 (three months ago) link

I mean, if they do another season I’ll watch it with low expectations.

It would be cool if a noted author wrote a novelization of the whole series, fixing the various narrative problems and making it better, deeper, more fleshed out.

The whole concept is interesting, but it’s just so clunky and ridiculous in execution and ins and outs - a blockbuster, prestige cable series as envisioned by philosophers, theologians, set designers, stylists, executives, and effects people.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:46 (three months ago) link

They needed someone in the writer’s room, a veteran of other shows, to be kind of an audience advocate and tell out, “hey, what the fuuuuuck” and head off some basic narrative bullshit that this show happily wandered through routinely.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:48 (three months ago) link

A lot of my fascination with WW after the great S1 has been wondering how it has continued to exist at all.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:49 (three months ago) link

There were a lot of things I found interesting about this season, and I might have been more harsh on the ending than necessary, but overall it was kind of a mess and the leaving a bunch of plot threads to the finale was probably not the best choice.

mh, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 14:34 (three months ago) link

This season has been a roller coaster and I haven't even watched it yet - just read people's reactions

Vinnie, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 08:58 (three months ago) link

Did end up watching season 4, half because of the more positive reactions to the earlier episodes, half out of curiosity. Liked it more than I thought I would, my favorite season since the first. Found it much easier to understand what characters were trying to do and why than before, and it had a better-plotted story than the last season. Same strengths as before too: cool visuals/vibe/ideas even if they don't cohere. Decent series finale if it doesn't get another season. Lisa Joy is trying to push for the next one being the last tho

Vinnie, Tuesday, 30 August 2022 05:36 (three months ago) link

I liked how the end of this season went full anime. It got so bad that it wrapped around to good again.

This season, the characters repeated a few old catchphrases but otherwise everyone was playing a new character.

formerly abanana (dat), Saturday, 10 September 2022 20:20 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

I didn’t even realize they’d done a 4th season

Maybe for the best, good chance it'd just be another half-baked season

Vinnie, Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:47 (one month ago) link

is there any reason to watch the last season of this?

akm, Saturday, 5 November 2022 18:28 (one month ago) link

Not really. Started out ok but got progressively worse as it went on.

groovypanda, Saturday, 5 November 2022 18:47 (one month ago) link

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