"Aliens" : Some nice effects, but actually kind've a crap film.

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It's on TNT at the moment. Some nice effects and an effectively gloomy atmosphere, but the writing's pretty damn thin. Ripley's character is insufferably earnest, utterly humorless and wooden. Bill Paxton is a cartoon character. The rest of the entirely too hokey space marines are all two-dimensional. Newt couldn't possibly be more annoying ("they mostleeee come at night. mostleeeee). The big, bad, gooey beasties are nice, but that's it. Really, it's bad. The original Alien still holds up, but this.....meh.

Prove me wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think this is a fantastic film!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

NYC: I said that when it came out and people laughed at me.

Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Aliens is a white-knuckle James Cameron military action picture. Very effective.

You want bad, watch the third one. I always like to point out the moment when the first act ends and the third act begins.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and why? because it's one of the best-directed action movies i've ever seen, it's scary, it's working the awesome alien aesthetic, i think bill paxton is great, and the music is terrific!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

motion sensor guns!!!

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

GAME OVER MAN

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seriously alex the scene where they're holed up and the aliens are getting closer (the whole "20 metres... 19 metres..." etc scene), i mean, you can't really beat that.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and then the aliens are in the ceiling!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i gotta say i really find bill paxton incredibly entertaining in this movie.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Paul Reisor (sp?) as "the evil corporate slug". Do verily giveth me a break.

because it's one of the best-directed action movies i've ever seen

See, that's just it:
Alien = a horror film
Aliens = stoopid action movie

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you can't watch it on TNT, man. That's your whole problem right there.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Suspense! It has to build! Mood maintained! You can't go from Aliens to thinking about buying some packaged cookies, than back to Aliens.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I find myself cheering when the slithery ones abduct fuckin' Newt. If only they'd shish kebab her then and there.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yes what harold said! and alex are you really dismissing this movie because of its genre?! that's like dismissing goodfellas because it's a gangster movie!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Aliens = stoopid action movie

No, ass-kicking action movie. If you don't like actions movies, we can't help you.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah why is a good horror movie objectively better than a good action movie?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love that conceit where they have the heart monitors on the Marines, which flatline as they get taken out at the beginning.

and as an action movie, one of the best of its kind!

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

has anybody read david thomson's book on the aliens series??

vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seriously alex the scene where they're holed up and the aliens are getting closer (the whole "20 metres... 19 metres..." etc scene), i mean, you can't really beat that.

Yeah, I guess that is a good scene. But, it's only one scene.

Also, what up? One beast goes slam-dancing all around the Nostromo without so much as a fuckin' scratch in the first one, meanwhile in this one, they drop like flies. Inconsistent!

No, ass-kicking action movie. If you don't like actions movies, we can't help you.

Bad writing is bad writing, regardless of genre, and that's what damns this film.

Why couldn't Tom Skerrit have survived the first one instead of Ripley? (I'll tellya why: because no one wanted to see Tom Skerrit in his underwear fight the beast at the end).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

alien was better simply b/c of that one scene w/ sigourney's bare ass & ass-crack.

sigourney also got significantly LESS hot from aliens on. before, she was DEFINITELY hit-able.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Alex, you're making totally irrelevant points.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah why is a good horror movie objectively better than a good action movie?

Ah, but I don't consider this a good action movie. i consider it, unfortunately, a rather stoopid action movie.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

because ripley was so much cooler?

and that scene i mentioned was an example, one of many!

also if you force me to be a nerd, they didn't have big guns in the first ones (the crew of the nostromo were just working joes, not heavily-armed marines)

(xxp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"they mostleeee come at night. mostleeeee"

this line is like a rejected billy corgan lyric, or something.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

alex what do you consider a good action movie?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

or a goddamn tagline from one of the posters for The Village

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm just disapointed with it. I remember digging the hell out of it at the time, but it just seems dumb now.

Alex, you're making totally irrelevant points

I'm just making observations, Harold, don't get your pants wet.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think harold has a point though alex, see it widescreen w/o commercials and you may change your mind

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seeing movies on tv has a way of making them seem much worse.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

or a goddamn tagline from one of the posters for The Village

totally irrelevant, but m night shamalyan (or whatever the fuck his name is) is such a putz.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

especially action movies, where the frame is cropped and the sound (all-important in these movies in particular) is compressed all to hell (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm just making observations, Harold, don't get your pants wet.

Ok. But I still think your arguments are silly given the topic at hand. An action movie is this: establishment of premise. Build. Payoff. That's it, man. "Writing"? Pfft. I don't understand what it is you're expecting of this movie, or why.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i actually think aliens is pretty well-scripted! i mean the dialogue is a bit corny but that's ok with me. it's a very well-structured movie.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Newt couldn't possibly be more annoying ("they mostleeee come at night. mostleeeee)

yeah but she allows sigourney to express her maternal ass-kicking instincts when she fights the ALIEN MOTHER.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

xp

Well-executed formula -- I agree. I think Alex is objecting to character development and dialogue.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and there are a lot of very imaginative scenes, stuff that had never been done before and that's been copied badly so many times

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i mean name me another action movie that has that weird maternal subtext!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This thread got lots of posts fast.

Alex OTM. I love Alien but the rest are rubbish. Whenever I say I don't like Aliens people always go "But it's got cool guns". Yeah, well.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yes that's exactly what we've been saying on this thread! it's got cool guns and that's the only reason i like it

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's not forget that the first Alien was nothing more than a well-executed horror movie.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think harold has a point though alex, see it widescreen w/o commercials and you may change your mind

Oh, I've seen it properly before (in a theatre, actually). And yes, TV doesn't do justice to many films. I just don't think it's that well written. It's predecessor, meanwhile, was.


I don't understand what it is you're expecting of this movie, or why.

Well, I just don't think, in retrospect, it lives up to the promise of the first one.

I think Alex is objecting to character development and dialogue.

....or lack of it.


By the way, there are certainly worse films out there, for what it's worth.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that maternal subtext is HUGE and significantly complicates the subtext of the first (ripley defending her womanhood against the asexual rapaciousness of the alien and the asexual murderous logic of the android)

the sexual subtexts are easily the best thing about the alien movies - why else have giger design the shit? - hell, and scifi and horror movies in general, too, as opposed to scifi and horror novels - and the 2nd movie expands on those subtexts in a way that "alien: resurrection" just don't (now there's a shit movie).

vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i see nobody cares for this highfalutin lit crit shit

vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's not forget that the first Alien was nothing more than a well-executed horror movie.

I would argue that it's a great deal more difficult to make an effectively scary, suspenseful horror film than an action movie (wherein all you really need to please certain folks, as noted, are "cool guns").

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

why else have giger design the shit?

Was HR Giger involved with the films that followed the second one?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

he was only involved with the first

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and vahid i'm with you totally!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

But surely the studio had the rights to his designs. So, kind-of.

Also, vahid OTM.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Although to be fair, the highfalutin lit crit shit happens after the fact, and neither adds nor detracts from the shit-yr-pants suspense.

Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Long stretch of no action - 45 minutes till first battle, right? - then long stretch of no action, then long stretch of action. It's just kind of lopsided. Not bad, though.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I'd say that's a pacing issue rather than a structural one.

chap, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Works for me though.

chap, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Sure, maybe that's more pacing, but that may be just splitting hairs, because that is how the story is built. That's another thing I always liked about it, though. The quiet no action parts are really quiet, for an otherwise loud action movie with machine guns.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Was this the first militaristic machine gun sci-fi film?

The first one that springs to mind is Predator, which was filming when this came out.

Speaking of which, the action scenes are just so specularly well storyboarded. Ever notice there are virtually no scenes where the aliens and people actually share a shot? And yet it never feels like people reacting to things that aren't there.

This is a really good point, and not something I'd noticed.

Michael Biehn, btw, I want to say has a second career now as a porn producer

I'm not sure you should say this - it isn't in any sense true.

How in the world is it that we managed Segweys but we still haven't designed cool-ass exoskeletons?

There's a few, but less than you'd expect alright. One of things that I thought the film shared with Alien is the impression that these were not exactly cutting edge on the industrial or military sides, it wasn't a crack teched-up team, these were just standard grunts either way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V87lSB5XWVs

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:48 (one year ago) Permalink

I think they are meant to be a pretty well-equipped team, maybe not some super-elite unit but the spiels about their gear suggest they think they've got the good toys. It's just a future where the best way to kill people is still bullets and the best way to transmit live footage is still a crappy analog signal. Obviously it all helps secure the Vietnam vibe as well.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Michael Biehn, btw, I want to say has a second career now as a porn producer

I'm not sure you should say this - it isn't in any sense true.

It's the weirdest thing, I could have sworn I used to get press releases touting his involvement in some adult video line. My mistake if not. Sorry Michael Biehn!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Another thing I thought of upon re-viewing, is this movie really set the template for a lot of first person shooters, right? With the helmet cams and vitals and whatnot. I'm not much of a gamer, but that really reminds me of how a lot of games are set up. At the least it set the template for "Contra," or so I assume. "Contra" was 1987.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:01 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah contra is heavily ripped from this, including a lot of the boss visuals and stuff. and it reaches FPSes almost immediately if without such 1:1 connections in DOOM, whose creators had obviously seen this about ten times each.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:05 (one year ago) Permalink

(OK, xpost, but I guess Biehn and his wife Jennifer Blanc were producing a line of grind house films? Maybe I saw a press release for one of the more salacious titles and got the wrong idea?)

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:08 (one year ago) Permalink

A lot of the movies lines were nicked and appeared in various FPS games.

Ste, Monday, 6 November 2017 12:45 (one year ago) Permalink

the box art for contra stole the alien design but the main dude on the cover was clearly modelled on schwarzenegger (based i think on a still from predator?)

http://www.mobygames.com/images/covers/l/32879-contra-nes-front-cover.jpg

meanwhile artwork for the first metal gear game was clearly modelled on michael biehn in aliens

http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l839lvg6Oc1qbn1vmo1_1280.png

What's the range of an Iranian frogman dipshit? (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 November 2017 12:53 (one year ago) Permalink

is that Aliens or Terminator?

Ste, Monday, 6 November 2017 13:04 (one year ago) Permalink

oh yeah, you're right, it is terminator

What's the range of an Iranian frogman dipshit? (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 November 2017 13:05 (one year ago) Permalink

Love it

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 14:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Alien Vs. Predator Vs. Rambo.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 November 2017 15:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Like, a dance-off or something? Because...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxQmFw565_8

how's life, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

what the fuck @NECA_TOYS pic.twitter.com/zQqrAEolEV

— BenDavid Grabinski (@bdgrabinski) November 7, 2017

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

looks like david harbour's character from stranger things in the middle of a fatal stroke

with your tight body and horrific androgynous monster face (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:08 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Eleanor Ripley
Flushing a Xenomorph into the vacuum of space
They hug your face

— Alex Hannon (@Liffonmelsmork) January 12, 2018

j., Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:22 (one year ago) Permalink

They hug @ u face

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 January 2018 03:04 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I'm ready, man. Check it out. I am the ultimate badass! State-of-the-badass-art! You do not wanna fuck with me. Check it out. Hey, Ripley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate badasses will protect you!

omar little, Thursday, 14 March 2019 05:00 (one week ago) Permalink

It's a fantastic film, though I question how many of the story beats are innovative, rather than just Cameron displaying a screenwriting ease packing in beats from other films. I feel like its a summation of cinematic action that came before, and a huge weight on what could come after. If any franchise needed a Rian Johnson to confound expectations, it was the Alien franchise after 1986.

contains pieces the size of a child's esophagus (Sanpaku), Thursday, 14 March 2019 05:55 (one week ago) Permalink

you mean like making a sequel where no one has any weapons?

Number None, Thursday, 14 March 2019 07:55 (one week ago) Permalink

ah yes, rian johnson, the most expectation-confounding filmmaker of our generation

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 March 2019 11:26 (one week ago) Permalink

wtf are 'innovative story beats' btw? aliens tells a gripping story, it expands significantly on the world established in the first movie and takes it in new directions, and it deepens our understanding of ripley's character and motivations in surprising new ways, i don't think knocking it because it fails to revolutionise hollywood storytelling conventions really works

kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 March 2019 11:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I think, maybe, the only innovation (if it can be called that) of this movie is its really awkward, unbalanced structure: it remains an action movie exemplar despite two looooooong stretches with no action. That attests to the sheer quality of said action but also to the quality of the characters, or at least the colorful snappiness of their dialogue.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 March 2019 11:42 (one week ago) Permalink

From 2019, "give the kick-ass woman issues about whether she's a good mother" doesn't really count as surprising.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 March 2019 12:41 (one week ago) Permalink

it wasnt made in 2019 i mean cmon

~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 March 2019 13:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Speaking of years, I do appreciate that Alien/Aliens were set in what is still now the distant future.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 March 2019 13:33 (one week ago) Permalink

xp, I know but 'surprise' isn't a reaction that takes the timestamp into consideration.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:21 (one week ago) Permalink

i always forget there's such a long period between the initial arrival of the Marines and the point where shit goes bad; the film keeps up its momentum so well that it flies by.

Cameron's skill with narrative structure and atmosphere has always been impressive, and w/the latter the film's early use of helmet-mounted cameras and motion sensors and heart monitors for each marine (when they flatline it just makes everything more final and chilling*) is just an astonishingly effective way to ante up the dread and oppressiveness.

(*flatlining in cinema is usually a whatever moment, an easy out, and to see it used in this way is a minor testimony to Cameron's directorial abilities.)

omar little, Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:28 (one week ago) Permalink

I get the criticism about the story beats not being innovative - the bones of it are an off-the-rack 'go on a mission, find the key to your character at the end of it'. All that's missing is a bit at the end where the Queen looks at Ripley and says "we're not so different, you and I..."

One Eye Open, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

cliches? the end where the mother alien *gasp* isn't dead but is holding onto the ship zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, August 20, 2004 8:46 AMBookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah what a boring scene

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|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:17 (one week ago) Permalink

All that's missing is a bit at the end where the Queen looks at Ripley and says "we're not so different, you and I..."

haha this isn't even missing

(prob the joke)

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Another thing I thought of upon re-viewing, is this movie really set the template for a lot of first person shooters, right? With the helmet cams and vitals and whatnot. I'm not much of a gamer, but that really reminds me of how a lot of games are set up. At the least it set the template for "Contra," or so I assume. "Contra" was 1987.

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, November 4, 2017 4:01 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah contra is heavily ripped from this, including a lot of the boss visuals and stuff. and it reaches FPSes almost immediately if without such 1:1 connections in DOOM, whose creators had obviously seen this about ten times each.

― Doctor Casino, Saturday, November 4, 2017 4:05 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(OK, xpost, but I guess Biehn and his wife Jennifer Blanc were producing a line of grind house films? Maybe I saw a press release for one of the more salacious titles and got the wrong idea?)

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, November 4, 2017 4:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A lot of the movies lines were nicked and appeared in various FPS games.

― Ste, Monday, November 6, 2017 2:45 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to mention starcraft

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:48 (one week ago) Permalink

The way Weaver looks at the Queen without saying a word before threatening to incinerate the eggs and the Queen's momentary ceding ground = classic.

I'm amazed that in 1986 the Academy saw through its blinders during the staidest decade of its existence to date and gave a Best Actress nomination to a genre piece.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Anyone who doesn't like this film needs a good thrashing.

Having said that, probably these will all turn out to be balls: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/alien-celebrating-40th-anniversary-6-short-films-1193923

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 14 March 2019 23:44 (one week ago) Permalink

James otm on both counts

Besmirch this movie at your peril

https://68.media.tumblr.com/1b4731564aee8ba541588f50604f9cbe/tumblr_nrnh0x9xR81u2ragso2_500.gif

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2019 05:13 (one week ago) Permalink

the effects/sets in this movie look better than any cgi movie

na (NA), Friday, 15 March 2019 14:14 (one week ago) Permalink

1982 - 1986 was the apogee of film special effects

Number None, Friday, 15 March 2019 14:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I think this film has a bit of the Jaws effect. The creature effects are totally superb but it seems likely that in order to hide a bit of the awkwardness of the aliens’ movements Cameron had to keep them in shadow and keep glimpses of them to a minimum, up until we see the queen at the end. It creates this real sense of terror and a scene like Hicks popping up into the ceiling to have a look and his flashlight panning across dozens of these things crawling at him is one of the more nightmarish visuals i recall from my childhood. that and Vasquez/Gorman being cornered in the ventilation shaft gave me some bad dreams as a teen.

omar little, Friday, 15 March 2019 15:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, possibly the only flawed shot in the movie is when the queen's two goons sort of awkwardly shuffle in and out of the scene. For the most part though he just shows you a second or two of various slithering and awful motions, and your brain fills in how the aliens probably walk and attack - - - much scarier and more fluid than anything they could create by having someone in a rubber suit walk across the set. It's amazing how many of the bargain-basement direct-to-video knock-offs (which of course also have even cheaper rubber suits, etc.) manage to screw this up.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 15 March 2019 16:11 (one week ago) Permalink

same type of quick show/cut used to the same horrifying effect in matrix rave scene

~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Friday, 15 March 2019 16:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Omar otm

I think because Cameron leans so hard into the meathead action-horror genre it feels like it’s just a dumb alien movie. And in a way it kind of is. But as Omar notes, Cameron makes really good choices in terms of dialing up tension, finessing the action, or playing up the horror moments - the kind of attention to detail that makes it really enjoyable to watch. Mainly because that kind of care & finesse stands out when you’re in a B-movie kinda world.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2019 16:37 (one week ago) Permalink

i think the very unusual Ebert review of this is pretty spot-on, even if in some sense i disagree with it. He admits it's amazing but also admits he didn't enjoy it because of its intensity and constant dread, whereas i totally enjoy it every time. but i understand what he means. i think as far as a film depicting people finding themselves trapped in a desperate situation with no easy way out, it's almost unparalleled. the best thing about it is while there are characters who are not especially bright, none of them do anything especially stupid. they're flawed in recognizable ways. Hudson is an idiot but he doesn't make any dumb tactical errors, he freaks out but never in moments of action, just in moments of downtime. Gorman is in over his head but he's not a craven coward, he just freezes up. Burke flees into a bad spot towards the end, but i mean who the hell wouldn't make a run for it? etc etc...lots of the character types are cliches but their behavior and decision-making makes perfect sense for each one and unlike lesser films they don't behave in ways to artificially change the narrative and story, they're always reacting to what's happening at the moment.

the only thing i question is Burke still thinking about the Company and getting the samples back through quarantine at a time when the survival of the entire team seems pretty unlikely. But Reiser's extremely '80s nervous nice dude comedy style works surprisingly well for the character of an ambitious, sociopathic creep, so it mostly works for me despite that, and i suppose he also figured his survival was a mutually exclusive issue alongside the issue of the alien samples.

omar little, Friday, 15 March 2019 16:53 (one week ago) Permalink

agreed

omar otm again, as always

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2019 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

co-sign

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 15 March 2019 17:43 (one week ago) Permalink

'kind've'

mookieproof, Friday, 15 March 2019 17:48 (one week ago) Permalink


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