Americans, not from California, who have a fear/hatred of California

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I have just begun to notice this phenomenon. talk about it.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's about time we had a thread about California.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Kahleeforneeyah, Gott Dammit!

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Alien freaks, the lot of them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Who hates California? Arizonans?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't hate northern california!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a tumah!

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant, Texas to thread.

― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The answer is L.A., I think.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

California gave us Black Flag, Redd Kross and the Circle Jerks, so they're complete classic, of course.

West Virginia, however, haven't contributed anything, so fuck'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i feel this way about b.c.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Non-Cal AMericans: California :: Cdns:USAnians.

― Huck, Monday, 16 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

this is why:

http://www.iiipublishing.com/helter.jpg

also:

http://www.planetzach.com/HellsAngels.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

West Virginia, however, haven't contributed anything, so fuck'em.

um, my stepdad's from there, and I love him very much, ya big jerk.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

born: San Francisco,
used to be an SF snob,
I'm over it now.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but west virginia is Wild and Wonderful!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I love North Dakota, because the government there is CRAZY. Like they tried to point their ICBMs at Saskatchewan. Ha ha ha!

― Huck, Monday, 16 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

in addition to my stepdad, West Virginia gave us:

Corbett, John
Dourif, Brad
Knotts, Don
Mattea, Kathy
Retton, Mary Lou
Selby, David
Yeager, Chuck

you just can't deny DON MOTHERFUCKING KNOTTS, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

In places, West Virginia is mighty purty though, Alex.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Loads of Americans have a California thing, a thing that might not quite be fear or hate, but involves a lot of eye-rolling mockery. This is because Californians are all gay and do yoga and eat dried fruits and nuts for Christmas, which they don't celebrate anyway.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Stence. I picked W.Virginia purely at random.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://members.cox.net/donknotts/knotts07-astronaut.jpg

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

nabisco:
shirley you mean the invernal equinox?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

And "Helter Skelter" captured my imagination totally. The Manson Family did more for the allure of California than fuckin' Disneyland ever could.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

No one ever just picks West Virginia at random!

Hell, I don't think that I was aware that it existed until I was in my late teens.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember driving through West Virigina on the way to and from college, and remembering it to be one long outtake from "Deliverance".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Christmas, which they don't celebrate anyway

Yeah we do! We eat lots of nuts and yoghurt and then do yoga at a bath-house. Ahh, Christmas!!! Of course, the next day sucks.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope you're only referring to the scenery.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i must say that charleston, wv is a complete hole. nice back yard, though

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

So, really. Who hates California?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this makes me sad for Appalachia.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG WTF I'm here now and there's a lot of smog, Koreans.

― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

did something happen to you in indiana, adam?

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

smog, Koreans ????

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

it sounds like you're blaming Koreans for the smog.

I don't hate California but I hate some Californians and some aspects of the stereotypical Californian mindset and lifestyle.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude! Why, man?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? cause I'm not a fan of flighty, New Age-y, vain, bohemians. I grew up in the midwest, bro.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ever been to that Bahai Temple in Winnetka or whatever?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The key word in my penultimate post was "stereotypical".

No, I overslept when a bunch of my friends went to check it out.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, well it's pretty cool, you should go. No crystals in the gift shop, though.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah they seemed to enjoy it. From what I know of it, it seems like a cool concept. It's in Evanston, I think?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

no, further north. Wilmette or Winnetka, I forget which.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

and yeah, it's not really new age, I was just being snarky.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the important issue here is the intra california hate.

t/s - northern california vs. southern california

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? cause I'm not a fan of flighty, New Age-y, vain, bohemians. I grew up in the midwest, bro.

I hear ya. Most of those people have moved here to the refuge of the wacky from all the other states though.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Know what I hate more than smog Koreans?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/p/z/pzb4/art/skater.jpg

Sumg Careeners.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

t/s - northern california vs. southern california

Guilty. After about 2 or 3 days in Southern California my eyes start twitching incontrollably and I have to rush off to the airport, and I was born down there and still have loads of family there, etc...

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

well CA does have the highest percentage of residents who were born elsewhere, doesn't it? and that New Age-y flightiness isn't restricted to CA, but it does spring to mind when describing the typical Californian (but when most people describe the typical anything, just the opposite seems to occur: they describe the most atypical, attention-grabbing aspects of that anything)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i love california. new york state has its share of loathsome new-age hippies who live in "artist's communities" and design cat jewelry and host fiction workshops.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, WOODSTOCK, hello!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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Texas??!? Get thee behind me, Satan.

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

bush is holding a fundraiser for the california republican party. a smallish one--one hundred couples, a million bucks.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

they NEED fundraising?!

― get behind me santa (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah - they're fucked with this "special election" thing Arnie's called. You hold an election every year, the Party coffers get seriously drained. If I rememember right, there was some tiff about this fundraiser too, right - Arnie asking Dubya to stay outta California until *after* the special election, cuz he's such a liability...?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

If you believe all the stories on the rightwing blogs about how people aren't contributing anymore due to Miers, arguably the GOP just became a nonprofit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

arnie wants attention on his initiatives, not on bush's fundraiser, or on bush in general. the timing is awkward.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

I think Charles and Camilla are/were just in SF.

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 October 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

you know - from the Royal Family of England.

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 October 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051021/ap_on_re_us/schwarzenegger_bush_visit

The Governeggor's goin down...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dude+Pl,+Weed,+CA&iwloc=A&hl=en

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Ha!

In sad news, it looks like my old haunt, the Expansion is going to be sold.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

I wish I was old enough to have old haunts.

― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.675786,-117.158064&spn=0.004358,0.006951&t=k&hl=en

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Some day, Adam. Some day.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

PP, are you spying on Ned's old haunts now?

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

I'm curious, what are the californian stereotypes out there? I live in california and I never heard anyone say anything bad about CA when I visited other states.

― jessica tang, Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

CA is such a HUGE state, and encompasses such huge amounts of people, that it engenders a large number stereotypes that can usually be broken down by region.

I'm moving to southern CA in about three months, and could not be more stoked to do so. It is the other side of the country from a large amount of the daily press coverage, and is seen differently because of such.

I've heard the following:

- too liberal
- to fake
- out of touch with reality

I've found, as a native East Coasterner married to a native Southern Californian, that there is a different vibe to the way that people out there relate to each other. Its hard to quantify - suffice it to say that you, like most other places, you need to be there to really understand it. To shift from one to another, you have to keep your wits about you and keep your mind attuned to that which you might object to in other situations.

Its just a different place, to be honest. Like anywhere else, it takes getting used to.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)

It is funny because I have to cop to first arriving here and thinking everything was very strange. Now when I leave to go back home (London) or to see inlaws (Midwest), it does take an adjustment. Everywhere else starts to seem muted and drab. Sometimes I miss the drabness, though.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. That's the fun of being married and committed to continuing real relationships with in-laws: it takes some work.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Sunday, 12 March 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Californians are hated in Idaho because they're richer than us, moving here with all their fancy-smellin' renderings and perfumes, shiny horseless carriages and whatnot. Stay west, young man!

― Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Idaho stereotypes about Californians: they have egregious SUVs (like Idahoans don't, pffff), they're a bunch of liberal snobs who only shop at 'spensive natural food stores and blow $60 on sushi dinners,
they are stealing our good engineering and tech jobs and staying for our lower taxes, they're bad drivers (like Idahoans aren't, geez) and they shop at Hollister (I think...everyone does in this town).

― Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:40 (twenty years ago)

i think NYC's impression of people who live in LA is (a) celebs with bad plastic surgery (b) lame hipsters (c) both at once.

personally, i can't wait to move there.

― Knute Rockne, All American (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 March 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

I grew up in Phoenix and Denver, where the mention of California causes a reflexive eye-roll, if not muttered epithet. The California that I think of is a vapid, cultureless, eternal High School. Hollow people. MTV Spring Break. That sort of thing.

― Okeigh, Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

I've never been to California, and I think I have an irrational love of the place.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:33 (twenty years ago)

(a) celebs with bad plastic surgery (b) lame hipsters (c) both at once

Sounds like game recognizing game in that situation. (Not JBR, o' course, as she wisely fits none of these categories. Regrettably I am clearly b.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

"I grew up in Phoenix"

and that is the fucking armpit of the universe

"and Denver"

Dullardsville, USA

― maria shrivening, Sunday, 12 March 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

subcategory for (b): screenplay guidos (like vince vaughn; they wear black, yell a lot, and only ever talk about other screenplay guidos, barring the occasional mention of the rich bearded jew who can get their movie produced)

― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 March 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Does only Idaho hate California? I just read the recent messages and it's mainly about people from Idaho hating California.

― Jessica Tang, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Hate away on our state's birthday. 159 years young.

― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:09 (sixteen years ago)

We're celebrating by using Mike Duvall as a GOP poster boy.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:10 (sixteen years ago)

Energy lobbyists are very bad girls!
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/gop_lawmakers_graphic_sex-bragging_caught_on_tape.php/

― kate78, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

OMG, that is some delicious scandale, right there!

― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Our British coworker just said “I love the way you say ‘lamps.’ LAYMPS! Americans are hilarious!” Over here in the New York homeland, we’ve done our best to observe and participate in the mystic culture of the UK, squinting in the dark, as fascinated by its unknowable ways as much as we are by LA, whose ways we may be able to understand but often try to pretend don’t exist.

― Edgware Wolf in London (admrl), Saturday, 25 September 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

It's fair to say "Matthew Schnipper" and I would not be friends

(Hi Matthew, I presume like the rest of us, you Google yourself frequently and are reading this. Your tone in this short piece annoys me but maybe you're a perfectly alright dude)

― Edgware Wolf in London (admrl), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:00 (fifteen years ago)

Everyone I have ever met who hates Californians "taking over" their state (this is a small sample of loudmouths living in Idaho, Utah and New Mexico) has been a total backwoods person who has never been outside their own backyard.

― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:15 (fifteen years ago)

over here, substitute "new york" for "california" and you've got it.

― Ed Kranepool borrow Chico Escuela's soap and never give it back (Eisbaer), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)

though NY drivers DO suck that is true ... and they do cause our already bloated property taxes to go up even more ...

― Ed Kranepool borrow Chico Escuela's soap and never give it back (Eisbaer), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

California is the most popular and attractive girl in school. Of course, people hate and fear it.

― fan of puppetry (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

thank you Spinspin Sugah. everywhere has shitty drivers.

― Matt P, Sunday, 26 September 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

About 80% of the time since I've moved to DC, whenever people ask me where I'm from, and I say Los Angeles (I was raised in the Inland Empire, but not that many people know where in California that is, and I like living in LA way way more anyway), they respond with either "oh God, I HATE Los Angeles" or "I could NEVER live there". I just shrug and talk about how I grew to love traffic. Most of the time they seem to be receptive to San Francisco and/or San Diego, though.

― C-L, Sunday, 26 September 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

non-californians who loathe LA but love san diego are weird

― iatee, Sunday, 26 September 2010 02:30 (fifteen years ago)

Or right wing, or both.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 September 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)

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― buzza, Sunday, 26 September 2010 03:29 (fifteen years ago)

I just shrug and talk about how I grew to love traffic.

but DC traffic is almost as bad as LA traffic! Possibly even worse.

― Maltodextrin, Sunday, 26 September 2010 04:26 (fifteen years ago)

And Atlanta has the worst traffic of anywhere.

Let 'em think that...

― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Sunday, 26 September 2010 07:33 (fifteen years ago)

DC traffic feels unnecessary. Like, if everyone was better at driving and the lights were timed a little better we could all save at least 10 minutes a day. And if Northern Virginia in particular was more of a grid and less of an aggregation of winding roads to nowhere, that'd also really help. (Obviously that would never actually happen, but I'm just saying.)

Like I feel like when I got stuck in LA it was because there were just a million cars in front of me and there was nothing to really do about it, whereas in DC it is more often like some dude blocks everyone behind him for two stoplights so he can try and parallel park, or because they figure out they're in the wrong lane right as the lane forks off in the opposite direction.

― C-L, Sunday, 26 September 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Everyone I have ever met who hates Californians "taking over" their state ... has been a total backwoods person...

This more or less sums up the seething hatred of "Hollywood" by countless millions of right wingnuts. (P.S. I miss Abbbbbbottttt.)

― Aimless, Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

how can people hate California? there are so many facets to this state that it kind of represents any and every demographic and viewpoint that exists.

― sold my soul to satin (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

it's like they don't know how to look at maps.
http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/faculty/healey/US_election/figs/CA.png

― sold my soul to satin (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:55 (fourteen years ago)

Had no idea that the Channel Islands were buried a mild deep under the rest of California.

― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LStRxwN7hI (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)

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