A surprising amount of people still ride hard for Dogma too.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:54 (four years ago) link
the movie presents the gay couple as this very sexless friendly duo and the closeted guy as this sweaty and desperate murderer. i still lol when thinking about the phantom blowjob he "witnessed" which leads to his breakdown. and Spacey being this gentle benevolent understanding guy in a very unctuous actorly not-spontaneous manner when Cooper tries to kiss him is basically foreshadowing the former's move into being a schmaltz king for a few years after. His career after AB is Travolta levels of weird.
― omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
in the early days of movie message boards basically Dogma and Fight Club and American Beauty and Blair Witch were some of the new classics of cinema everyone rode for.
― omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
blair witch absolutely kicks ass though
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
i don't think it lionizes toxic men, the point is that the toxicity ends in nihilism?
the nihilism looks cool, is the problem.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
I do think Fight Club is decent, it looks good and the performances are fun, but it's surprisingly a bit boring for me, it doesn't really have much of a narrative pull.
― omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, September 9, 2019 3:57 PM (thirty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
... it really do not think it does
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
Dogma and Fight Club and American Beauty and Blair Witch
burn this canon
of these four Fight Club is far and away the best because Fincher manages to have some fun with it, but that's as far as I'll go
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
Blair Witch is interesting stuff imo, i think as a document of its time even after casting aside the decent scares and concept it's vv fascinating.
― omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
the last ten minutes or so of blair witch still fuck me up. whole thing is executed so well
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
the biggest joke of the film and unfortunately a prescient one is a smug dork thinking he's the most awesome and attractive guy in the world but losing his mind because it's so not true he has to create a separate persona he presents to the world.
― omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
might as well take this over here1999 in film
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
or here lol1999's Best Movies: 20 Years Later
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
...“Pleasantville,” “The Ice Storm” and “The Truman Show.”
man, college flashbacks. only ditch weed and a nearby blockbuster for entertainment when i was broke. i think i remember liking Ice Storm(?)
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
this movie was always bad and I hated it when it came out
― Οὖτις, Monday, September 9, 2019 4:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:10 (four years ago) link
The Ice Storm is the best movie mentioned in the last 50 posts.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
^yes. that seems to have fallen in favor somewhat too, but I thought it was great
― Dan S, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link
Truman Show i actually saw in the theater. went to see Office Space, was one of two people in the entire theater and laughed my ass off. i had brought in a half pint of evan williams and polished it off by the end. then got the bright idea to hide out and sneak into a later showing of Truman. theater was absolutely packed. it sucked p bad iirc.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link
Fight Club still best gay film of '99
(novel written by a homo too)
if you think it "lionizes toxic men" I think you missed the last 30 mins
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
morbs otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:39 (four years ago) link
relishing this tbh
Love American Beauty (then and now), love The Ice Storm (took two or three viewings), hate Fight Club (then and now).
― clemenza, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
undergirded by gay panic
this is where I remind Shakeybrain AGAIN that one of Pitt's first lines (to Norton) is "do I give you the ass or the crotch?"
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link
can't remember anything about that film, but that does sound like a homophobic straight guy thing to say
― Dan S, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link
― omar little, Monday, September 9, 2019
What's fascinating about American Beauty is that Ball and Mendes still thought they could get away with Network-indebted cartoons in 1999 and still entertain. By the last third it has contempt for everyone except Spacey's pure desire to bed a teenaged girl even if unrealized and Chris Cooper's desire to shoot him and himself for his thwarted homosexual passions. It strikes me as very much a late '90s movie in which a liberal suburban enclave could greet the gay couple next door but still think honoring their lusts is gross, and accept a career woman but still make fun of her as a corporate drone.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link
It's constantly hedging yet congratulating itself for showing representations of liberal America.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
not enough hatred of Alan Ball itt
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link
also presenting her affair w/another man her own age as a pathetic clownish thing while Lester lusting for a high schooler is a hero's journey of self realization.
― omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:51 (four years ago) link
I strongly dislike the ending of Fight Club. At best, the film is queasily ambivalent about its overall stance. To me, the reveal that Tyler Durden is just a mental construct only serves as way to let the audience off the hook in their over-identification with the fight club and their shitty antics.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
The nihilistic 'actions' are often made to look silly or gross, as in the globs of human fat scene.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:27 (four years ago) link
There was an epic AB thread on the Salon forums back in the day. Largely critical.
― fremmes with neppavenettes (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:29 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I saw it more as trying to be grossly transgressive and mischievous in a "cool" way, but ymmv.
xp
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:29 (four years ago) link
also Spacey's scenes in AB might've made more sense with a few frames of cock spliced in
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:32 (four years ago) link
Length or duration
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:38 (four years ago) link
uh
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
Among the movies many other sins, I always (fairly or not) considered the American Beauty score to be ground zero for the annoyingly twee marimba/celeste/xylophone musical sounds that took over commercials and documentary soundtracks in the 2000s.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
now I want to see it again
― Dan S, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:28 (four years ago) link
The part where Narrator/Durden still looks cool as hell and winds up with the hot girl while a great, anthemic Pixies song rolls over them watching explosions did a great job of undermining toxic masculinity.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:35 (four years ago) link
so did Annie Lennox's cover of "Don't Let It Bring You Down" during the rose petal bathtub scene.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:36 (four years ago) link
The scene that resolves with Norton finding his inner badass by overcoming worldly pain and not giving into that namby-pamby meditation shit IIRC
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:39 (four years ago) link
xp no, no, see they were blowing up toxic masculinity
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:39 (four years ago) link
toxic Joe Biden clients
BernieBro club
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:44 (four years ago) link
the Narrator is introduced as an "empathy vampire" attending 12-step meetings he has no real stake in; v heroic
save it for the FC anniversary next month, you cloddish motherfuckers
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link
I didn't like it at the time but Fight Club sounds interesting in retrospect
― Dan S, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:55 (four years ago) link
It might've worked best as a Henry James story.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:56 (four years ago) link
Let's just say the way it presents itself and the message it tries to convey are somewhat at odds.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 01:56 (four years ago) link
Still never figured out how they got away with showing Thora Birch (born 1982) topless. It fits with Alfred’s “constantly hedging but congratulating itself.”
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:43 (four years ago) link
Yes, a pathetic loser... until he joins (starts) the nihilistic death cult that gives him male friendship and a hot lady to fuck.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:45 (four years ago) link
I actually hated this movie back in 1965, the year of Sam Mendes being born.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
Amazing that it's not Mendes's worst (The Road To Perdition wins that battle)
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link