Beyond the Valley of the Dolls - provide spoilers

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I was watching this movie recently and the damn tape cut off at the end.. Casey had just taken a bullet to the head and the gang was wrestling with Z-man to get the gun away...

How much did I miss? I don't really want to find another copy if I only missed a few minutes..

How does it end? Who eats it? Who realizes that this lifestyle is the road to ruin? Who lives happily ever after (with a painful reminder of those awful events?)

Thanks ..

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:43 (fifteen years ago) link

The survivors all get married and there's a really funny narration. I think Z-Man ends up shot by himself in the stuggle.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link

So you miss I think one minute

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:50 (fifteen years ago) link

The Z-Man IS ACTUALLY A WOMAN!

you should see the film through to the end, the last scene (in which a portentious narrator moralises about the events in the film) is one of the funniest things ever.

Truly it was a wise man who said that Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls is not merely the greatest film ever made, but the greatest film that will ever be made.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:11 (fifteen years ago) link

As mentioned by DV, the bit with the portentious narrator, who intones a kind of moral lesson for each character is the best bit.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:20 (fifteen years ago) link

.. and I just ordered the soundtrack .. because there were 2-3 songs that were just, uh, tits. I'm a li'l surprised that it's not too easily available.. (But it gave me a reason to bundle it with Country on the Click & get that on its way ..)

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Well Z-Man has TITS, sure. OMG you like this and Country on the Click oh my LORD! Yeah fuck see it again, it's even better the next time.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:34 (fifteen years ago) link

the portentous narrator's judgement on the lesbian couple: "their love was not unnatural, but it did bring disaster"

Dave Amos, Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link

The narrator makes less sense than anyone else in the whole movie

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Quite the achievement, eh?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:01 (fifteen years ago) link

We should just make this a "how great is this movie" thread really

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah. I'm done with my question...

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Gonna watch it again?

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:08 (fifteen years ago) link

If I can find it around.. It'll prolly be on IFC again ...

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
watched it again lat night. its still as good, i think. the actor that plays z-man has a lot of presence!

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 9 January 2005 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"This is my happening - and it freaks me out!"

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

you should see the film through to the end, the last scene (in which a portentious narrator moralises about the events in the film) is one of the funniest things ever.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, June 3, 2004 7:11 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As mentioned by DV, the bit with the portentious narrator, who intones a kind of moral lesson for each character is the best bit.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, June 3, 2004 7:20 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

came here to say this, i just watched this and i couldn't stop laughing at the end

flappy bird, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 03:01 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

When Siskel gave his buddy's movie a big thumbs down:

https://ew.com/article/1993/05/21/beyond-valley-dolls/

(I'd likely rate it a letter grade higher, but I'm not a big fan, either)

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:35 (five days ago) link

Many of the actresses, including Edy Williams (who became Meyer’s wife shortly after the film’s release), look like hard-as-nails female impersonators. The only pleasant face and body belong to former Playboy Playmate Dolly Read, who would later marry Dick Martin of Laugh-In fame.

don't know if I've ever read Siskel before, was he generally a mega-creep?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:25 (five days ago) link

Yes, and not much of a fan of movies in general, either.

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 8 November 2019 21:25 (five days ago) link

I remember reading that review when EW published it.

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 8 November 2019 21:27 (five days ago) link

Ugh

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 November 2019 08:30 (four days ago) link

The sequence near the end where they all drink drugs at Z-Man's pad is sooo like K Anger circa Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome.

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 9 November 2019 10:06 (four days ago) link

this movie is super goofy and i love it
"in the long run" is a genuinely good song!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 9 November 2019 16:22 (four days ago) link

Yes, love that song. The critic who said the women in the film, with one exception, look like 'hard-as-nails female impersonators' - er, Cynthia Myers and Marcia McBroom, what?

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 16:29 (four days ago) link

seriously that was such a stupid comment i didn't bother
also rude

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 9 November 2019 16:36 (four days ago) link

One would think John Simon would have come down hard on the female cast, but in fact what he said at the time was, "Except for one freak, all the women, even the walk-ons, are gorgeous, or, rather, what Meyer considers to be so."

Josefa, Saturday, 9 November 2019 17:16 (four days ago) link

Setting aside the ickiness of Siskel's "female impersonators" comment for a second, is it ok to criticize the physical appearance of a film performer when the film is (at least partially) erotic in nature? I don't have an answer, mind you--just putting it out there.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Saturday, 9 November 2019 17:56 (four days ago) link

Is it OK to define women by who they married years after the film you're reviewing?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Saturday, 9 November 2019 18:50 (four days ago) link

WAIT, WHAT?!?!?

Z-Man was trans. I had literally never thought for a second, that that ending was anything other than Z-Man coming out as trans. That Z-Man's new breasts were evidence of transitioning, and "call me Supergirl" was how she wanted to be known as a trans woman?

I've just read on Wikipedia, a quote from the author that Z-Man was intended to be read as a (presumably) cis woman who was living in male drag? No. No, no, no. That's not a reading that ever even dawned on me, it seemed so obvious that Z-Man was trans.

Granted the first time I saw it, back in the early 90s, was with Bill Basinski (who my friends used to call Z-Man, on account of his parties). So I'm not surprised that in such a queer setting, we gave it such a queer reading. But I'm just really surprised because... no... *really*? A cis woman in drag? Noooo, I always thought of that as a trans character. What cis nonsense is this, that she wasn't trans.

Branwell with an N, Saturday, 9 November 2019 18:53 (four days ago) link

I'm with you on your interpretation

Josefa, Saturday, 9 November 2019 19:02 (four days ago) link

Yeah I’m baffled at any bon-trans interpretation

Οὖτις, Saturday, 9 November 2019 20:16 (four days ago) link

Non-trans

Οὖτις, Saturday, 9 November 2019 20:16 (four days ago) link

Let us know if there’s a citation better than “The requested page "/nine/frame_bvd.html" could not be found.”

Z-Man cannot be bound by petty earthly notions of cis, trans & drag imo

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Saturday, 9 November 2019 21:15 (four days ago) link

Setting aside the ickiness of Siskel's "female impersonators" comment for a second, is it ok to criticize the physical appearance of a film performer when the film is (at least partially) erotic in nature? I don't have an answer, mind you--just putting it out there.

― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Saturday, November 9, 2019 12:56 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Of course it's ok to critique the physical appearance of film actors, in any film, why wouldn't it be

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 November 2019 23:39 (four days ago) link

I've just read on Wikipedia, a quote from the author that Z-Man was intended to be read as a (presumably) cis woman who was living in male drag? No. No, no, no. That's not a reading that ever even dawned on me, it seemed so obvious that Z-Man was trans.

The other 80% of the paragraph outside the parentheses is about the mutability of readings, and how the author and his co-author's intentions are literally unable to be derived from viewing due to the nature of the authorship.

A cis woman in drag? Noooo, I always thought of that as a trans character. What cis nonsense is this, that she wasn't trans.

He also goes on to use a trans* descriptor, even if the one he used in either 1970 or 1980 might not have been the one he was using by 2013, and apply the pronoun that is most respectful to that (one afternoon on one day in) 1970 conception of the character.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:27 (three days ago) link

My understanding was that they were running out of budget and time, and brainstormed an ending.

Mark G, Sunday, 10 November 2019 09:21 (three days ago) link


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