Top Gun is on the History Channel?!

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WTF. OK. Are we like OUT of actual history or something?

Kim (Kim), Sunday, 16 May 2004 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

the volleyball sequence is actually an elaborate and multi-layered metaphor for hiroshima

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 16 May 2004 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

They ran out of Hitler documentaries.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 16 May 2004 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

top gun = documentary on fags in the air force

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 16 May 2004 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Well the sexual tension between Maverick and Iceman is a clear example of changing social mores towards same-sex relatiionships in the military. It's a time capsule of a period just before the "gays in the military" issue became a national concern

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 May 2004 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like how they always show these movies that AREN'T documentaries on the fucking documentary channel! shouldn't all the movies they show have to be documentaries?! there's enough of them out there!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link

why do they do that guys?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I was so happy when they aired Kuffs though

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:46 (seventeen years ago) link

kuffs actual is a documentary.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 May 2004 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

if they showed Top Gun then had a discussion programme straight after including retired military leaders, historians, experts on film, psycholgists ect ect when they discussed how accurate the film was and what it taught us abt the military and how it was perceived in the eighties, perhaps with a phone-in so members of the public could offer their views, then I think it would be justified. But showing the film in isolation isn't.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 17 May 2004 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the climactic fight with actual Russians? Call it Niall Fergusen-esque counterhistory. Paging Tristan Hunt.

NERQ, Monday, 17 May 2004 08:05 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys are bigger history channel nerds than I if you have serious complaints about this. can't you just watch the discovery channel or animal planet or something for a few hours, until it's over?

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

You got to fight the power!

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 17 May 2004 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, don't even get me started on The "Learning" Channel. It's all a ruse. A sham! It's nothing but babies and weddings, and makeovers. Oh and medical truamas. I forgot those. I just learned that I have to change the channel while eating - thanks.

Kim (Kim), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link


Sadly, the Discovery Channel is also heading in the same direction. Sigh.

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"Highlander is a documentary, filmed in real time"

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

It's part of the same network. Go vist and "click on TLC". See? See.

it was just a tangent actually, not meant as a direct reply... perhaps a little Food Network is in order...

Kim (Kim), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

food network will never forsake us.

except for the iron chef america crap.

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

They ran out of Hitler documentaries.

-- tokyo rosemary (rosemarygilber...), May 16th, 2004.

right, or docs about the luftwaffe. everytime i turn this channel on it's something about the luftwaffe.

"top gun" IS history, though: tony scott's relentless soft-focus has become THE mode for blockbusters today. i'm sure that following the film they had a long discussion of film aesthetcs with audience call-ins.

amateurist, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link

my friend and i were talking about how weird it is that ridley and tony scott have "brother" styles

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

sort of like nick ray and satyajit ray.

amateurist, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

howard hawks and ethan hawke

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

You're taking a ride into the danger zone there, s1ocki.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

All I really needed to know about Afghanistan I learned from:

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:41 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

Saw this on the big screen at the Laurelhurst here in Portland. This film is so, SO gay.

And what the fuck, Tim Robbins is in it!

Brotherhood of Stealing Shit to Sell to Trader Caravans (kingfish), Sunday, 23 November 2008 08:30 (twelve years ago) link

loving this thread

i am not an idle hunter-gatherer, i am a scientist (rrrobyn), Sunday, 23 November 2008 09:00 (twelve years ago) link

top gun = documentary on fags in the air force


Ant Attack.. (Ste), Sunday, 23 November 2008 13:05 (twelve years ago) link

fuck that this is a navy movie

TOMBOT, Sunday, 23 November 2008 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

Tracer Hand, Monday, 24 November 2008 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

seven years pass...

30 years old!

mookieproof, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:44 (five years ago) link

the meisterwerke of cinematic giant thomas cruise mapother iv

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 May 2016 22:15 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Manly men, being men.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:08 (five years ago) link

Funny thing: when the movie came out, my dad had just served a short stint on an aircraft carrier as part of that year's RIMPAC exercise (thus: ) involving contact with the submarines, which would lead to him being chief of staff for an admiral in a carrier group shortly thereafter (keep in mind his career was mostly submarines, so this was somewhat atypical, but given both subs and carriers are based out of San Diego, it was an easy temporary shift since he'd long since built up his career cred -- would have been an officer for almost 25 years at this point -- and after that he was the exec to the admiral in charge of the entire sub base at Point Loma). Anyway: we all went to see it as a family, and since we were Navy, living in San Diego etc., we were mostly watching it for the locations and the verisimilitude as much as would be allowed. Dad essentially became our own private narrator about a lot of the flight sequences, the crew and procedures involved on deck and so forth and that was totally fine, I think we were mostly bored with the story! Our conclusion was that Anthony Edwards was the one who actually acted most like a real Navy guy down to the mustache.

But as for it being gay as hell -- nah, no conscious thought about that at ALL, not that I think we would have even talked about it to begin with. I remember being amused by the volleyball sequence but mostly because I thought it just dragged on a bit and the song was goofy as hell.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:16 (five years ago) link

a service that doesn't think twice about calling an exercise 'rimpac' may have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to homoerotic overtones tbf

pokemon go speed run (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:22 (five years ago) link

Submarines, as is well known, are long, hard, and full of seamen, so.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 17:24 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

Chinese fighter flies inverted over US Air Force jet

they've been studying the classics i see

goole, Friday, 19 May 2017 15:24 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Whole movie? Nothing but a strip volleyball match.

Val Kilmer is indeed reprising his role as Iceman in 'Top Gun 2'.

— Collider (@Collider) June 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:30 (three years ago) link

Cruise’s Oblivion filmmaker Joseph Kosinski is in the director’s chair.


and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:33 (three years ago) link

He's no Tony Scott, and I mean that sincerely.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:39 (three years ago) link


and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:41 (three years ago) link

one year passes...


Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:51 (two years ago) link

glad to see they have a scene were they're on the beach oiled up like turkish wrestlers

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:31 (two years ago) link

i will definitely watch this

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:41 (two years ago) link

Can we get a Broken Arrow sequel next? Christian Slater isn't doing much these days.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 21:51 (two years ago) link

oh hell yes, when you've got movies like Val Kilmer in them, you can't lose!

I plan on setting aside a weekend next summer to watch this, the Sonic the Hedgehog movie, and my VHS copy of Prefontaine, and call it my weekend of speed.

del griffith, Thursday, 18 July 2019 21:56 (two years ago) link

probably don't need to explicitly mention it, but I will also be consuming a vigorous quantity of methamphetamine while watching the movies

del griffith, Thursday, 18 July 2019 22:02 (two years ago) link

I had to look it up, but apparently there is no maximum age to be a military pilot. Would have been awesome, though, if this was about Maverick as a commercial pilot.

(Unrelated, just watched Easy Rider last night, and a lot of young Nicholson's smily mannerisms reminded me of Cruise's!)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2019 22:25 (two years ago) link

weird to think Tom Cruise is now three years older than Jack Nicholson was when A Few Good Men was released.

omar little, Friday, 19 July 2019 00:30 (two years ago) link

Oh my god !!!
Beach volley, flight jacket and... F14 (how’s that even possible !? CGI, eh?) !!!
I’m a 10 yo boy again...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 July 2019 05:20 (two years ago) link

i was unenthused for about a nanosecond and rhen i saw Maverick and jets and :D

also Jennifer Connelly!

Ed Harris looks like a dusty old sphinx in that opening shot, it looks like he’s made of sand! Bad makeup/lighting job there :(

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 July 2019 05:32 (two years ago) link

Yeah J. Connelly is a great surprise !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 July 2019 05:38 (two years ago) link

Harris is only 11 years older than Cruise!

Simon H., Friday, 19 July 2019 05:57 (two years ago) link

man tom cruise is really dead-set on dying during a stunt on a movie shoot isn’t he

five the people what they want

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 19 July 2019 09:44 (two years ago) link

My main issue with this is that F/A18s are nowhere near F14s in the cool/badass aspect.
Since they CGIed ONE F14 apparently, they should have gone all the way !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 July 2019 10:45 (two years ago) link

didn't know we had fans of Reaganaut Propaganda Shit here

will this one go full Trumpist? ie the big final bombing of [Whatever]istan will be recalled at he last minute.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:02 (two years ago) link


Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:12 (two years ago) link

Tom Skerritt is still around, why isn't he in this thing? Or Kelly McGillis? Or Anthony Edwards as Cruise's ghost friend who gives him advice?

On the other hand, Manny Jacinto is in it, which is good. On the other other hand, Miles Goddamned Teller is in it.

Maybe the twist is that in this one Tom Cruise is a Russian agent.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 July 2019 15:31 (two years ago) link

america, russia, whatever. maverick's only in it for the jazz

mookieproof, Friday, 19 July 2019 15:39 (two years ago) link

the original top gun is a fairly apolitical movie considering. sure, the impetus for the movie is the sort of fashy enthusiasm for gleaming new technological wonders of warfare sort of à la the italian futurists, but the actual meat of the piece is essentially a sports movie - with simpson/bruckheimer and scott's days of thunder being essentially a poor redo of top gun with the action transposed to the world of nascar.

the whole competitive, locker-room grab-assing aspect of top gun is pure fiction - irl the "top gun" course has no winner and is not a competition. the technical advisor on the picture pointed out that they didn't have their classes take place in air-hangars and there wasn't a culture of broing down in the locker room after training but simpson and bruckheimer wanted more excuses to show the planes and more excuses to see tom and val in their underwear.

there's something very high school about the whole thing. there's also nary a mention of ideology or even any half-baked geopolitical rationale for the skirmishes that take place in the movie. the enemy are clearly of the state socialist kind, with their MIGs with a star painted on them. it's also extremely homoerotic and kitschy

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:10 (two years ago) link

Maybe the twist is that in this one Tom Cruise is a Russian agent.

Nah, Chinese:

There’s a new Top Gun movie coming out. And Maverick is wearing the same leather jacket - only this time it’s Communist Party of China-approved, so the Japanese and Taiwanese flag patches are gone (screenshot on right is from the new trailer)...

— Mark MacKinnon (@markmackinnon) July 19, 2019

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:31 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

in which miles teller sports a moustache in tribute to his dead dad, anthony edwards

WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 December 2019 16:19 (one year ago) link

my apologies to sic

WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 December 2019 16:20 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

ok, i haven't watched top gun in a long time, but this is how i remember the best scene:

goose has died. tom cruise is in a hot steamy bathroom back at the base. he’s in his underwear and his head hangs down over the sink. he’s defeated. the captain walks in and sees Maverick looking so down. the captain takes a piss. Maverick starts complaining and whining about life. The captain listens for a bit. then he says, “goddammit Maverick.” and Maverick looks stung but still keeps his head down like a dick. “Don’t tell me about losing Goose. Don’t tell me I didn’t love him. We all loved Goose. GODDAMMIT MAVERICK!” and he pushes Maverick hard in the chest. Maverick’s mad now. they’re both mad. the Captain storms out and Maverick looks at the door closing, breathing hard now.

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:45 (five days ago) link

now i'm going to try to find that scene and compare

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:46 (five days ago) link

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