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I live on Oakland Walk.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link


@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Bubb Rubb and L'il Siss to thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

So @d@ml, you will be showing Gareth around Oakland I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Nah. He can just read this thread.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link


gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Apropos of nothing in particular, gygax!, did you enjoy B&S on Friday?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link


Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link


this guy's coming to get me

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link


Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link


waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Southern belle gentility in Oakland. Who knew?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Dunsmuir House. It's owned by the Oakland Parks Dept.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Spencer...what is that in your third post?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (sixteen years ago) link

You can now tour the port of oakland by boat.


@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Mormon temple in the hills.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link



Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Spencer, did you know that Fenton's burned down? My XGF lives right by there and we heard the sirens one night and the cops were there taking the manager and 2 workers away in cuffs in the parking lot while the place erupted in flames despite several firetrucks on the scene (must have been gasoline).

The employees had a rental truck filled with the safe and the jukebox (?).

It reopened after a year but I never went back.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

wow! I had no idea. when did this happen???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

mmmm... summer 2002-ish.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

actually, just looked it up. November of '01 and reopened in '03

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link

haha, so much for my memory.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I will be at Oakland airport Sunday morning for two hours close to 10am. Anyone wanna come over and have breakfast with me?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe they are friends with Mr. Bernbaum idk

sarahell, Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:09 (one year ago) link

(1/6) We believe in the power of art, and specifically of this medium, to effect change, and had hoped to harness that power not just on behalf of the victims of tragedy at the Ghost Ship, but also to help to call to account those who most bear responsibility for it.

— Ayelet Waldman (@ayeletw) December 14, 2019

sarahell, Sunday, 15 December 2019 17:47 (one year ago) link

^^ she continues, and then the comments are impressive

sarahell, Sunday, 15 December 2019 17:48 (one year ago) link

that's pretty self-aggrandaizing

akm, Sunday, 15 December 2019 22:35 (one year ago) link

"We believe that there is a conversation to be had about the propriety of telling the story of the Ghost Ship, and about the identity and moral responsibility of those who tell it, but ..
clearly it’s not a conversation that can be conducted without causing further pain to the living victims of this tragedy.
At this time, therefore, we will not be proceeding, and will do our part to leave the families and survivors to their grief and their loss, in the fervent hope that someday they find not just comfort but also a measure of justice."

go microdose some more, you still sound like a bitch

akm, Sunday, 15 December 2019 22:37 (one year ago) link

that might sound more sincere if it was written in english

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 16 December 2019 00:06 (one year ago) link

"clearly it’s not a conversation that can be conducted" ....
"will do our part to leave the families and survivors to their grief and their loss"

like, does she even realize how condescending this sounds?

akm, Monday, 16 December 2019 00:08 (one year ago) link

it was pointed out to her, not very politely

sarahell, Monday, 16 December 2019 00:58 (one year ago) link


Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 December 2019 01:01 (one year ago) link

That would be great, especially because I need an intervention re: LA. I think I might like it? Dunno only been here two days. But surely I shouldn’t consider LA over Bay Area, right?

Land in SF on the 25th.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 23 December 2019 02:58 (one year ago) link

LA’s great tbh if you can set it up so you don’t spend more than 3 hours a day in traffic.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 23 December 2019 15:30 (one year ago) link

Hello Bay Area, just arrived. Here for 6 nights. Schedule is wide open so FAP day/time proposals welcome. We're headquartered in SoMa but will be hitting East Bay probably multiple days I imagine.

Eating priorities are oysters, Mexican, DUMPLINGS!, Burmese, bakeries, coffee, farmers markets, sushi, uh anything else that should be eaten while in SF, what am I missing.

My only must-visits ATM are various Oakland neighborhoods, a Castro Valley run to briefly check out horsey options, japanese tea garden. Maybe theater one night? I dunno I didn't really do any planning, gonna wing a lot of it.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Wednesday, 25 December 2019 22:27 (one year ago) link

OK so far schedule is shaping up to be something like SF today (Thurs), Oakland Fri, SF Sat, Oakland Sun and then whatever until we ship out on the 1st.

Thus far have achieved DUMPLINGS! but really I could eat DUMPLINGS! every day. Old Oakland farmers market on Fri, Ferry Building market on Sat and Temescal market on Sun. Yeah I like markets even when I don't have kitchen access.

Rockridge, Temescal, Piedmont Ave, downtown/uptown, Grand Lake all on the neigborhood-scoping agenda. Tips on streets to check out in East Lake?

Plan is to do transit on Fri and rent car for Castro Valley trip on Sunday.

What am I missing. Should I live in Fruitvale.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 26 December 2019 17:22 (one year ago) link

Laurel District? Should I go to there.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 26 December 2019 17:26 (one year ago) link

Laurel/Dimond is great. It's more neighborhoody and there's not a lot of restaurants or bars there, but plenty of great stuff if you know where to look. It's not where you want to move if you want to be in the middle of things, or need convenient BART access.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 December 2019 19:44 (one year ago) link

Tips on streets to check out in East Lake?

As close to Champa Garden as possible :)

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 December 2019 19:51 (one year ago) link

Welcome welcome. Alas I am under the weather via some bug I must have picked up during my holiday home and the next couple of days at least I'm going to lie low. Will check in on here as I feel more coherent.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 December 2019 01:16 (one year ago) link

If yr bored rn I am DJing at the Knockout in SF

sarahell, Friday, 27 December 2019 05:47 (one year ago) link

Also from Eastlake resident and former ilxor Chaki: you should go to rockin crawfish. I am North/west lake so i haven’t been

sarahell, Friday, 27 December 2019 05:48 (one year ago) link

Anyone want to get together Sunday?

sarahell, Saturday, 28 December 2019 00:53 (one year ago) link


mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 28 December 2019 02:12 (one year ago) link

Wait I thought Chaki was from LA? No?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Saturday, 28 December 2019 02:13 (one year ago) link

Chaki grew up in LA but has been in the Bay for decades afaik

Οὖτις, Saturday, 28 December 2019 02:40 (one year ago) link

A little over one decade iirc, definitely not 2

sarahell, Saturday, 28 December 2019 03:27 (one year ago) link

Anyway maybe sunday go get food at burma superstar or teni east?

sarahell, Saturday, 28 December 2019 03:32 (one year ago) link

Probably need to pass just because this cold's feeling bad. We'll see how I feel Sunday morning.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 December 2019 03:55 (one year ago) link

OAKLAND/SF ilxors I'm sorry to have missed you this go-round, but I may be making a 2020 appearance or two so let's try again then?

Take homes from this trip:
Like Temescal and Piedmont Ave areas. Don't know how to pronounce Temescal.
Found the perfect place for the horse(s) in Castro Valley, also a good back-up place in case first place didn't work out.
Both of us are having some East Bay angst given our SF yearnings, so current plan is to rent something in SF for a year and see how the horse commute goes. I may look for an East Bay or telework job to ease the pain?
Don't know how to pronounce MUNI. Is it MYEW-nee or MOO-nee?
Bay Area is awesome. Ate so goddamn well and enjoyed the weather so much. SF is so damn pretty!
I love kumquats.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 2 January 2020 14:03 (one year ago) link

My ex who is a 4-decades (& 4th gen) native of the Temescal neighborhood always says "tem-e-SCAL" (slight emph. on terminal syllable)
MUNI = Myu Knee..
Kumquats are rad

Was it cold? I was out of town for most of the holidays.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:01 (one year ago) link

"Both of us are having some East Bay angst given our SF yearnings, so current plan is to rent something in SF for a year " you'll pay almost double for this unless you get lucky. I'll stan for the East Bay all day long. But maybe that's just me being bitter because I never managed to move to SF despite planning to multiple times throughout the 90's.

akm, Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:05 (one year ago) link

I've always heard teh-MESS-cul in LA (there's a Temescal Canyon here).

nickn, Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:26 (one year ago) link

people up here say 'temescal' in every conceivable way, I don't know that anyone will claim that you're saying it incorrectly.

akm, Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:57 (one year ago) link

The emphasis is on the second syllable

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:12 (one year ago) link

I live in an absurdly convenient spot in SF with rent control and regret not moving to Oakland when it was still affordable.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 2 January 2020 20:52 (one year ago) link

For better or for worse, I'm coming from an expensive city, and the only major sticker shock I experienced was gas prices

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Thursday, 2 January 2020 21:03 (one year ago) link

Apparently Keanu is in the area through February ...

sarahell, Saturday, 11 January 2020 02:29 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Is this a good thing? (Not trying to be leading -- since the city admin is behind it, I'm wondering what's going on.)


Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:38 (one year ago) link

I don't know exactly how much I can say without violating my NDA, so I'm erring on the side of caution, but ... the answer is yes, this is a good thing.

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:48 (one year ago) link

In terms of background, now that I have read the article. The article was very cleverly/cautiously structured in terms of who was quoted and what they were quoted as saying ... and that this is related to IRS regulations regarding lobbying by non-profit organizations.

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:54 (one year ago) link

Noted and thanks.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:55 (one year ago) link

I suppose I can say, "the drafting of this legislation involved outreach and solicited input from non-profit organizations working in this area"

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:58 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

eviction moratorium city council meeting happening rn

sarahell, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:22 (eleven months ago) link

We contacted our landlords yesterday about a rent decrease and their counter offer was $300 off for 3 months, to the be repaid immediately. Which doesn’t help us at all. I want to threaten to just not pay any rent but Jordan is more reasonable than me.

Anyway, once the shutdown is over I’ll be asking them to come fix all the stuff we haven’t asked them to fix in 6 yrs.

just1n3, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:03 (eleven months ago) link

If I didn’t have a dog and didn’t find moving so stressful, I would move out right now and let them suffer. We’ve always paid our rent on time, accepted a massive rent increase over the 6 yrs, always fix things ourselves, maintain the yard ourselves (even though by emeryville remnant law, they’re supposed to).

just1n3, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:06 (eleven months ago) link

eight months pass...


Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 03:33 (three months ago) link

hard to fathom all of those people were lost

Dan S, Thursday, 3 December 2020 03:40 (three months ago) link

There is a fire station 1.5 blocks away. They were on the scene in 3 minutes. They were unable to rescue anyone who hadn't made it out in those 3 minutes.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 03:45 (three months ago) link

God. Five years.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 December 2020 03:46 (three months ago) link

Four rather. Feels like five.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 December 2020 03:47 (three months ago) link

xxp - there are plenty of articles easily searchable that explain how and why and the structural issues (both literally and figuratively) for which this was just "not if but when" ... I don't need to do my annual executive summary ... I spent yesterday working at a job that exists because of this ...

sarahell, Friday, 4 December 2020 04:27 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

Add to the "only in the bay area" list of woke school district bungles:

"Oakland teacher points finger at 'rich white parents' in reopening debate"


"Bethany Meyer tweeted on Feb. 17, "All the rich white parents suddenly concerned about mental health can take a seat. Most of them are causing their kids' anxiety by pressuring them to complete asynchronous work and feeding into their sense of entitlement. Sorry/not sorry."

""After a harrowing winter surge, it is encouraging that Alameda County is on the cusp of entering the red tier," Keith Brown, the president of the Oakland Education Association, wrote in an email Monday. "I’m deeply appreciative of our healthcare workers and to everyone who followed shelter in place guidance. I also want to acknowledge the very real stresses felt by students, parents and teachers during this time. OEA has consistently fought to increase mental health support for our students, and will continue to do so. As we move forward, I am feeling hopeful that lower community spread, multi-tiered safety measures and vaccinations will continue to bring us closer to a safe return to in-person instruction. In order to get there together, everyone in our OUSD community will need to treat each other with respect and empathy as we move forward."

Autumn McDonald felt Meyer's Tweet implies only white parents want their children back in school. More so, as a Black mom, she's upset to hear Meyer—who is not Black—purporting to know what Black people are thinking.

"I think there are a lot Black people who will not know this has even happened," said McDonald, who has a kindergartner and third grader in the district. "They won’t even know this voice is out there speaking for them. I, as a Black women, can’t say where Black people do or don't want schools to reopen. But I do personally want my kids back in school. I need my kids to be back in school. My husband and I are working parents. The level to which our kids not being in school has caused stress for us and stress for them is beyond the pale. The other thing is that I believe in the science. I know a lot of parents of color who believe in the science. I wonder why there’s an assumption, 'Oh gosh, all the Black people don’t want to do it.' Black people have a lot of reason to be concerned with anything related to our trust in the health care system ... that all said it doesn’t change the fact I still believe in the science."

akm, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 06:29 (one week ago) link

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