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I live on Oakland Walk.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link


@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Bubb Rubb and L'il Siss to thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:44 (fifteen years ago) link

So @d@ml, you will be showing Gareth around Oakland I trust.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Nah. He can just read this thread.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link


gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Apropos of nothing in particular, gygax!, did you enjoy B&S on Friday?

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link


Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link


this guy's coming to get me

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link


Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link


waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Southern belle gentility in Oakland. Who knew?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Dunsmuir House. It's owned by the Oakland Parks Dept.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Spencer...what is that in your third post?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link

You can now tour the port of oakland by boat.


@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Mormon temple in the hills.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link



Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Spencer, did you know that Fenton's burned down? My XGF lives right by there and we heard the sirens one night and the cops were there taking the manager and 2 workers away in cuffs in the parking lot while the place erupted in flames despite several firetrucks on the scene (must have been gasoline).

The employees had a rental truck filled with the safe and the jukebox (?).

It reopened after a year but I never went back.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

wow! I had no idea. when did this happen???

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link

mmmm... summer 2002-ish.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

actually, just looked it up. November of '01 and reopened in '03

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link

haha, so much for my memory.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I will be at Oakland airport Sunday morning for two hours close to 10am. Anyone wanna come over and have breakfast with me?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

they give props to the East Bay Times for their reporting but would have been well served by c&p-ing from a EB Times article rather than poetic improvisation once the article stops being a bio piece about Harris

sarahell, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:38 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...


trying hard not to be publicly angry

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:00 (six months ago) link


Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:03 (six months ago) link

for those not wanting to click, the event is the "Free M@x Fest" to raise money for one of the Ghost Ship fire defendants whose "mentally deficient" approach to safety led to the deaths of 36 people, 6 of whom were my friends.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:06 (six months ago) link

absolutely ridiculous. Look I think other people share the blame on this, surely; it wasn't wholly Harris' fault. Owner, landlord, Almena are all at fault. But that doesn't mean Harris is innocent.

akm, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:29 (six months ago) link


legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:30 (six months ago) link

it's tough, because i don't think Harris belongs in jail, but that's because of my ethical and political opposition to the current criminal justice system

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:31 (six months ago) link

so you think he should be free?

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:33 (six months ago) link

i think he deserves some sort of "punishment" but not prison ... idk ... it's complicated

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:35 (six months ago) link

honestly I think his lawyer should try to defend him on the grounds of "mental deficiency" because he doesn't strike me as an intelligent person, in general, and also, you would have to be a total idiot to think that blocking exits and doing a show in that place with the history of electrical problems is safe.

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:37 (six months ago) link

he seems like the kind of guy that should be isolated from society, ie, dangerous to himself and others.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:47 (six months ago) link


Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:52 (six months ago) link

During his preparations, he blocked off one of two exits from the second floor, which “effectively reduced the upstairs guests to a single point of escape” down a makeshift front staircase constructed of wood pallets.

In an interview with this news agency shortly after the fire, Harris spoke about the plans for the party.

“I was getting ready for the event, cleaning up, closing off areas, preparing to welcome people into the space. I was moving furniture around to change things up,” he said.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:54 (six months ago) link

i so don't want to see that large a picture of that guy ... like, idk, replace it with goatse or something

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:05 (six months ago) link

one month passes...


Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:09 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

bump for this Thurs

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 April 2019 16:07 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Ghost Ship trial is beginning. And Christ on a fucking bike. (Briggs is the lawyer for Harris, the non-Almena dude on trial.)

Briggs also belabored a point that Ghost Ship was nonhierarchical and Harris had no real power; he collected rent because he was a selfless "servant." This despite prosecutor Bates showing Harris administered sublease agreements.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) April 30, 2019

Briggs said three people will testify to seeing strangers near where the fire started inside, fleeing as soon as it started. One of them, he said, will testify she saw 7-10 Latino men in dark clothing running away, heard them boasting about the obstructively placing wood inside.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) April 30, 2019

This is the first time Briggs has really detailed the arson theory, and the details seem to be catching close observers by surprise. The witnesses expected to testify supporting the theory haven't stressed arson suspicion to media in the past.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) April 30, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:38 (three months ago) link

oh my fucking god.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:16 (three months ago) link

whatever goodwill I may have had toward Harris is gone now. I get that this guy is probably a low IQ moron who worked in there and didn't know what the fuck he was doing, and I get that it's insane the actual landlords are not on trial as well here, but I don't buy this arson thing one bit.

akm, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:45 (three months ago) link

One of them, he said, will testify she saw 7-10 Latino men in dark clothing running away,

And the witness could tell they were Latino because? ....because the neighborhood has a large Latino community, and if the building was located in a predominantly black neighborhood, pretty sure they would 7-10 black men ... Because it is clearly more likely that PoC will commit arson ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:32 (three months ago) link

surely trotting out a racist conspiracy theory will make the defendants more sympathetic to the jury

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:35 (three months ago) link

-- xp shakey -- too bad they didn't move the trial to simi valley!!

though the thing is ... regardless of how the fire started, if they had followed basic life safety codes in terms of the build out, or at least not having that 2nd floor as a place of assembly, people would not have died.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:37 (three months ago) link

but... evil brown people!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:39 (three months ago) link

killing helpless white folks!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:39 (three months ago) link

at least make them neo-nazi arsonists ... oof

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:41 (three months ago) link

ugggh wtf

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:41 (three months ago) link


sarahell, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:43 (three months ago) link

besides being racist as fuck, this is the stupidest argument, because the point of fire code rules, is to make sure people in a building can get out of the building if there is a fire, regardless of whether it's an accident or intentional. ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:57 (three months ago) link

Looks like Almena's going that route too, per posts yesterday:

"It's May Day and it's beautitul outside."

So started Derick Almena defense attorney Tony Serra's opening statement in the #GhostShipTrial today. He echoed Briggs' arson theory yesterday, and rejected descriptions of Almena as a "despot" and "tyrant."

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) May 1, 2019

Serra said witnesses will testify fire officials visited Ghost Ship socially, and that fire inspector Maria Sabatini actually inspected the space, although she denies it. "She crossed herself in front of one of the statues of the Virgin Mary," he said.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) May 1, 2019

Of course Serra also emphasized Almena wasn't there that night. He argued that Ghost Ship was actually safe, not a fire trap, but that it doesn't matter because "no act or omission" of Almena's led to the fire, because he couldn't prevent arson.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) May 1, 2019

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:50 (three months ago) link


the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:23 (three months ago) link

He argued that Ghost Ship was actually safe, not a fire trap, but that it doesn't matter because "no act or omission" of Almena's led to the fire, because he couldn't prevent arson.

see also: guns don't kill people

sarahell, Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:16 (three months ago) link

brown people kill people iirc

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:21 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Yup, those fucks went for it.

At the #GhostShipTrial today so far the defense called key witness Sharon Evans, who testified she saw 14-19 "Spaniards" in dark hoodies at a taco truck shortly after the fire started, several of whom were boasting that no one was going to make it out of the warehouse alive.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) June 10, 2019

This witness, central to the arson defense, testified over strenuous objections from the prosecution, which highlighted inconsistencies in her recollections during cross-examination. She also said she noticed smoke from the fire around 9:30pm, well before we know it started.

— Sam Lefebvre (@Lefebvre_Sam) June 10, 2019

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 June 2019 19:22 (two months ago) link


omar little, Monday, 10 June 2019 19:23 (two months ago) link

Were they eating tapas and drinking tempranillo?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 June 2019 19:26 (two months ago) link

Guessing they were Basque separatists?

DJI, Monday, 10 June 2019 19:28 (two months ago) link

good lord

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 10 June 2019 19:29 (two months ago) link

i've been avoiding reading about the fire since i lost some good friends in it, but christ, that is some despicable, despicable shit.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 10 June 2019 21:19 (two months ago) link

Could have been flamenco dancers...

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:03 (two months ago) link

xp -- super gross, right? this is part of why I'm seriously considering becoming a lawyer

sarahell, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:28 (two months ago) link

I'm also wondering why the prosecution didn't pursue the fact Almena avoided getting permits and following the legal procedures to ensure safety of the building, as well as legal procedures to operate in the city.

Like, this is the way things are supposed to work:
1. dude wants to rent a building and sublet portions of the building to other people for art studios. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that dude isn't a piece of shit but is relatively clever.
2. dude goes to the city to get a business license. ... this activity is a business, and he is required to pay business tax. The need to get a business license is often prompted by the need to get a separate bank account so that one's tenants can feel comfortable that the dude they are paying rent to is on the up-and-up and he isn't commingling their rent money with his personal funds, and at some point in the not so distant future, the tenants find out they are being evicted due to non-payment of rent because the dude that is supposed to be paying the building owner has appropriated their rent money for personal use. (This happens often enough. Even underground and anarchist types will advocate for having a business bank account for this reason -- so they don't get fucked over by a sketchy master tenant.)
3. So at the business license office at 250 Frank H Ogawa Plaza, someone would tell him that in order to get the license he needs a zoning clearance
4. So then dude would go to the Planning and Zoning counter -- also in 250 Frank H Ogawa Plaza -- in order to get the zoning clearance -- and takes a number and waits
4a. Almena strikes me as the kind of person that would not take well to the sitting and waiting that constitutes most people's experience of 250 Frank H Ogawa Plaza.
5. The wait to talk to someone about getting a zoning clearance is usually not that bad. The counter staff that handles this are usually like, lowest on the hierarchy. In theory, what they're supposed to do is assess what the person wants to do in a specific building and in broad strokes tell them what other things they would need to do in order to legally do the thing they want to do in that building, and what other departments they will need to take numbers to wait to talk to.
6. So, a hypothetical conversation between Almena and planning & zoning person would go something like this. We will call planning & zoning person, Chet. We will also omit a bunch of technical terms and stuff about filling out forms and misunderstandings and clarifications, because this would be super long if I included them.

Chet: How can I help you? What's the property address?
Almena: (gives address of building)
Chet: And what are you looking to do there?
Almena: looking to do?
Chet: what type of business?
Almena: uh, artist studios
Chet: studios? like .... live/work?
Almena: Uh, well, maybe?
Chet: if you want to convert this building to live/work, you would need to do a lot, as this building is a storage warehouse
Almena: Like, what is a lot?
Chet: Well, you probably want to talk to a senior planner about that because it's really complicated, (mentions multiple departments and a lot of things)
Almena: what if they aren't live/work? Like, just artists making art?
Chet: Well, that would be a lot simpler. ... The building's current occupancy is listed as storage, so studios, that would probably be ... a different occupancy. So, at minimum, you will want to speak to a planner and make an appointment with Fire so they can schedule an inspection and see what you need to do


sarahell, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 16:01 (two months ago) link

Sad, powerful story about the parent of a Ghost Ship Fire victim who goes to the trial every day. By my homie colleague @haileybranson whom all my followers should follow!https://t.co/pRWUxpU5PP

— GustavoArellano (@GustavoArellano) June 11, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:47 (two months ago) link

this shit is infuriating. look I think Serra is partly right, the owners deserve to share in the blame. But manufaturing this arson shit? give me a break.

akm, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 19:32 (two months ago) link

Defense lawyers gonna defend.

DJI, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 20:56 (two months ago) link

but the racist arson shit is just gross, and it doesn't mitigate the fact that the building didn't meet the cheapest, most basic fire safety code. Like, the issue isn't whether the fire, itself, was a result of the defendants' negligence, but that fact that there was no way to put out the fire and/or get people out of the building safely -- that is why they are on trial. I feel like the issue of guilt vs. innocence hinges on the issue of "should the defendants have known better" -- in terms of operating live/work housing and an event venue in the building the way they built it out.

Like if this were a case of a drunk driver hitting and killing a bus full of people -- the argument would be pretty clear: dude was drunk, dude knows he shouldn't drive drunk, because that is a law that is drilled into everyone. Here, the issue is -- are the requirements for permits, inspections, what work requires permits, what work requires being done or signed off by a licensed contractor, what business operations are legal --are these things laws that the defendants should have known about and actively disregarded.

This trial, the way the DA has prosecuted it, really is starting to make me buy into various conspiracy theories, that they are avoiding and evading bringing the City of Oakland's ways of doing things (and uh, not doing things) into question, in order to reduce the risk of things coming to light that would hurt the City in the civil suit. ... and other lawsuits against the City regarding malfeasance by building department employees.

sarahell, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 18:24 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

fucking hell could they possibly drag this out any longer

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 August 2019 22:54 (yesterday) link

Oh my god.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 00:00 (fourteen hours ago) link

Almena and Harris were set to be sentenced to nine and six years in prison, respectively, after pleading no contest to manslaughter last year. But a judge threw out their pleas after many of the victims' families objected, saying their proposed sentences were too lenient.

I have difficulty understanding why nine and six years wouldn't have been enough. I understand that 36 people is a lot of people to die tragically, but these guys are never going to manage another property like this again. It's unreasonable to believe anyone else is ever going to be hurt again as a result of similar future decision-making on their part. Nobody in their right mind thinks they did it intentionally. So what good does it do someone, anyone, to put them in prison for up to 39 years? Prison should be for rehabilitating violent criminals who are a threat to society, not for punishing people who avoid pulling permits.

del griffith, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 00:48 (fourteen hours ago) link

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