Laughing at the proles: C/D?

I am quite conscious of casual snobbery, I hope, I think in a weird way being into clubbing and dance music and things made me more conscious of what dickheads people who harped on about "knackers" or had iffy views about them are, particularly when a common slur of the dance scene here would be "oh that's scumbag music, where's your fiat punto" etc etc etc etc.

I did used (use?) to do that, once upon a time

I think started a thread about this grammatical confusion once.

Calling oops a cunt was an attempt to offend him, after the way he belittled taking offence as a useless emotion. Probably not a wise move in retrospect.

Nickalicious, so you missed the thread where oops posted for the first time then? The great homosexuality is unnatural one?

Nicole, how dare you call me an Oasis fan!

P.S. Larrys don't get offended.

Blimey, I dunno kate!

I hate charvers, and wish pain and death on them. Perhaps this is because I am "upwardly mobile working class & looking down on my uncouth neighbours" (although I don't feel very upwardly mobile, esp as I had to scrap the car this year b/c I can't afford to run it anymore) but most likely it's because I'm sick of the worthless fuckers fucking everything up, vandalising everyhting that looks nice in public spaces, smoking tack on buses and trains, always being on the make, looking out for stuff (poss your stuff) to rob, busting the window of your car to try to rip it off, pissing in public, frightening older people etc etc et fucking c. that chav scum site is a load of piss, mainly because it equates the working class with the criminal class, feh, garbage, those who hate charvers the most are the poor fuckers who have to actually share space w/them ie the working class.

equating charver hate w/racism is wrong, b/c racism = treating people unfairly over some physical difference which is wrongly percieved to make someone worse in some way, which is osome intrinsic part of said person, no-one makes charvers go round ripping people off, shoplifting nike trainers, "tagging" publick transport, wearing stupid burberry caps & selling piss quality tack & whiz. Pah, fukc 'em all, motherfuckers.

(x-post - ricardo, us working class prolez hated on the charvers first!!)

BIGOT.

I have received more racial taunts from "lower-class" people than I have "upper-class" people, largely due to "no matter how bad off I am, at least I'm better than a nigger" syndrome.

(xpost Boy, I Got Out There?)

x-post

I entirely agree with this.

Well did you evah

(Do I want the Red Planet one or the Rolando one or what? Are they the same thing?)

I don't know that it is. It grates on me for a white guy to quote Chris Rock's "I wanna join the KKK" stuff. You get the privilege to make fun of your own class/ethnicity/religion, where other people don't.

To answer Jerry's initial question - it's OK because there's often an implied "the poor deserve to be poor, it's of their own doing" angle, that most people wouldn't think of saying about ethnic groups.

This implication really pisses me off.

Yeah, but class is mobile and race isn't, really. At what point can someone no longer pull the 'hey, I'm working class' line?

Wow! Can you not at least say 'tend to'. I don't remotely believe that I'm not privileged.

Could inter-class tensions be on a more level playing field than racial ones? I mean am I betraying the fact I live in a young country by wondering if there are even half as many racial slurs against white people as there are classist slurs against the rich?

I'm not for a second saying this justifies anything, just asking a question really. Just that class seems to be almost an either or sometimes, "you yob" or "you snob" type deal.

It's funny actually, when I think of meeting guys out at clubs who looked like stereotypical "knackers", on e, and they're like "where are you from then?"

"Oh you fucking posh cunt! *big smile*"

"haha, I guess I am *big smile*"

"You probably think I'm a total scumbag? Are you in college you lazy shite? *big smile*"

"Yeah I am! Nah I don't think you're a scumbag!"

etc etc etc

Pretty much, Enrique - Henry's a middle name {see e-mail} and I guess people mostly call me Greg, but whatever. Why?

Anyway, I'm with the "make fun of everyone equally" side, if only that happened.

I'll be honest, I had (have?) this massive chip on my shoulder about class issues for about five years. It just still comes through in the way I speak sometimes, no disrespect intended. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Both of them seem to make their jokes at the expense of audience assumptions (of ethnic stereotyping or class) rather than ethnicity or class itself.