Laughing at the proles: C/D?

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I don't find Oops offensive. I can't recall an occasion when I ever have. In fact, I often find people's reactions to his jocular ways completely overblown.

As for the proles, well...um...okay, right now I got nothing.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 29 April 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

This topic though kinda hits on why I love "yo momma" jokes. They cover all bases. We've got "yo momma is so poor" jokes, "yo momma is so fat" jokes, "yo momma is so dumb" jokes, it's the equal opportunity hate comedy.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 29 April 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

My mother is dead, you asshole.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I come from a working class backround so I when I sometimes make fun of "white trash" etc. I feel like it's okay -- but if I hear someone who I know is from a more middle or upper class backround do it I get annoyed. I realize this is totally hypocritical and irrational.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"I got rye toast on 22s, nigga! They rollin', nigga, they rollin'! They rollin', nigga, they rollin'! They rollin', nigga, they rollin'!"

Chris Rock (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never found oops offensive before today, for I have never bothered to read his, or her, posts.

Today he, or she, has not offended me, perhaps because he, or she, has been surrounded by other interesting posts from people I know.

the bluefox, Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

you're too english

oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 April 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the pinefox was Irish, actually. I could be mistaken.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

same thing

oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

now that's offensive.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

pinefox, perhaps what is interesting about the detroit music scene is the role of class and people in music, and also the way that detroit is something of an anomaly in american cities, and its unique heritage has meant that the sociocultural context of music is very different to that of other cities

also, some might consider it to be bad behaviour to come onto a thread and belittle and dismiss something in such terms, it certainly does you a disservice, and is somewhat disappointing.

of course there is nothing to say that you should be interested in the sociocultural context of popular music either at a geographically specific or at a wider level, and theres nothing to stop you enjoying and reading about music on a much more personal rather than cultural level

after all, perhaps it is safer to dismiss from a distance than to engage with anything outside your immediate interests. still, always refreshing to have the same dismissive one liner trotted out

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

(nb:i'm only joking around, as usual)

oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

If I could play Stardancer loud enough to obliterate this thread, I would.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

You could try it?

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

similarly, perhaps the pinefox might find it beneficial to read and engage with posts from people outside his immediate social circle, maybe he could learn new and interesting perspectives. or perhaps, his current outlook has reached the point where there is nothing more to learn (except from 6 or 7 'geezers')

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I am surprised at the inanity of peoples attitudes to detroit techno. Or is it simply venom?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I like detroit techno.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

so do i. not as much as i used to though

oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Detroit techo is the only thing likeable about this thread, even though some of it's creators are Oasis fans.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh it's ok guys I know you're alright.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Was there really once a mystical time in ILX's past when we were able to discuss class issues without degenerating into awfulness, or is that as rosy-eyed as the idea that we all used to sit around discussing Derrida once upon a time?

Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I did used (use?) to do that, once upon a time. (The second thing, not the first.) I'm not sure how interesting it was, come to think of it.

Jerry the Nipper and I are starting a new breakaway board soon, called I LOVE GEEZERS.

the bluefox, Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

all detroit techno artists are failures though

oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Stop being so Larry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I think everyone I know probably would use the Irish equivalent of Chav, which I guess is "knacker", oddly. Then again I am sort of conscious of it, I guess I only use it if someone started hassle with a friend or myself I might relate the story like "some knacker......."

I am quite conscious of casual snobbery, I hope, I think in a weird way being into clubbing and dance music and things made me more conscious of what dickheads people who harped on about "knackers" or had iffy views about them are, particularly when a common slur of the dance scene here would be "oh that's scumbag music, where's your fiat punto" etc etc etc etc.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(that post didn't reveal much, PF)

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

To be honest, it wasn't till I read it said in Energy Flash that I realised the class element of mod-rocker thing. I like the way the Reynolds makes the oik vs. hipster thing crop up at every turn.

I did used (use?) to do that, once upon a time

I think started a thread about this grammatical confusion once.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 29 April 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Thread result: I am downloading Stardancer.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

the hi-hats are like THUNDEROUS RAIN!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I started the thread because this issue genuinely bothers me. I do not know what the situation is like in the US, but in the UK there has been a growing increase in the use of terms like 'pramface' and 'council' as insults over the last couple of years. I find this easy way in which working class people are characterised as charver scum by the middle classes really uncomfortable. It might be intended as humour, but it seems to act as a distancer, a way of dehumanising anyone who happens not to share a particular middle class value system.

Calling oops a cunt was an attempt to offend him, after the way he belittled taking offence as a useless emotion. Probably not a wise move in retrospect.

Nickalicious, so you missed the thread where oops posted for the first time then? The great homosexuality is unnatural one?

Nicole, how dare you call me an Oasis fan!

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I also should have posted something like the first paragraph of my last post as part of the question.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The class issues in the US are too busy masquerading as race issues to be dealt with as class issues.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not you, Ricardo.

P.S. Larrys don't get offended.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

the only thing offensive is you continually harping on something that I was misunderstood on. get over it, dude. oops loves the queers.

larry (Oops), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Now, since we're all Oasis fans here...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

We are???

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Was there really once a mystical time in ILX's past when we were able to discuss class issues without degenerating into awfulness, or is that as rosy-eyed as the idea that we all used to sit around discussing Derrida once upon a time?

Blimey, I dunno kate!

I hate charvers, and wish pain and death on them. Perhaps this is because I am "upwardly mobile working class & looking down on my uncouth neighbours" (although I don't feel very upwardly mobile, esp as I had to scrap the car this year b/c I can't afford to run it anymore) but most likely it's because I'm sick of the worthless fuckers fucking everything up, vandalising everyhting that looks nice in public spaces, smoking tack on buses and trains, always being on the make, looking out for stuff (poss your stuff) to rob, busting the window of your car to try to rip it off, pissing in public, frightening older people etc etc et fucking c. that chav scum site is a load of piss, mainly because it equates the working class with the criminal class, feh, garbage, those who hate charvers the most are the poor fuckers who have to actually share space w/them ie the working class.

equating charver hate w/racism is wrong, b/c racism = treating people unfairly over some physical difference which is wrongly percieved to make someone worse in some way, which is osome intrinsic part of said person, no-one makes charvers go round ripping people off, shoplifting nike trainers, "tagging" publick transport, wearing stupid burberry caps & selling piss quality tack & whiz. Pah, fukc 'em all, motherfuckers.

(x-post - ricardo, us working class prolez hated on the charvers first!!)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

We are???

BIGOT.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Pashmina is completely OTM; denigrating someone for assholish behavior = classic. Denigrating someone for assumed assholish behavior = dud.

I have received more racial taunts from "lower-class" people than I have "upper-class" people, largely due to "no matter how bad off I am, at least I'm better than a nigger" syndrome.

(xpost Boy, I Got Out There?)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oasis fans are unnatural. But that doesn't make me an Oasis-phobe, I'm just totally misunderstood!

x-post

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Now if you substitute "Belle and Sebastian" for "Oasis"...hey why are you looking at me like that?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

denigrating someone for assholish behavior = classic. Denigrating someone for assumed assholish behavior = dud

I entirely agree with this.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Boy, I Got Out There?

Well did you evah

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Pash, not that I have too strong an opinion either way, but what do you think about certain bars banning anyone wearing Rockport, Burberry, or Aquascutum from entering?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

The problem, as ever, with language like this is separating behaviour from appearance. I'm pretty sure Norman uses the term 'charvers' to describe people who act in a certain, anti-social way, robbing and ruining things in his neighbourhood. Other people seem to apply it to anyone who looks a certain way, or comes from a certain kind of home. It's excatly the same with 'neds' - orignally it was used to describe louts, but for so many people, kids from council estates wearing sports gear and hanging around in gangs = neds. The two get mixed up and the whole thing starts to look pretty ugly.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

'Cor, it's ace!

(Do I want the Red Planet one or the Rolando one or what? Are they the same thing?)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the Martian is a/k/a Red Planet.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I see what they've done there! Thanks, N.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there a Rolando mix or something? I checked discogs and can't find it, but might be worth a look. I like Rolando so maybe.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought it was 'spides' in ireland, or is that more of a belfast thing?

zappi (joni), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link


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