Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

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Murderous plastic harridan 'author' of committee-written books, or Heroine of 1990s and millennial Queen of NYC?

And where's the $60 she borrowed off me?

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic but not because of any heroine bullshit or queen of NYC crap (she isn't, we all hate her). Classic like Giuliani: because she's psycho.

Ally, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder if Hillary to you is anything like Ken to us?

No, I think Hillary for me = Ken for me, + looks.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think her n her husband are a couple of elitist crooks. Any lil rant I could go into right now, lacking the proper stats n figures to back it up properly, would pale in comparison to you all just doing the right thing and buying or checking out No One Left To Lie To by Christopher Hitchens, which does the job so most adequately. Thank you.

Chris Cook, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think she will work towards mostly liberal and rational goals but may end up as mired in beurocratic(sp) politics as all the other ham- heads.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I like her because she made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad. I'm into that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

If Greil Marcus had written NOTHING ELSE, I would love him for this (sadly all-too accurate) sideswipe put-down: "as self- regarding as an obituary by Christopher Hitchens". Hitchens' return shot — attack- dog review of Double Trouble — was a disgrace, a deeply intellectually dishonest piece of work.

Ten years ago, CH was a pretty great writer. Five years ago, patchily great. Now — wonky on the BOUZE and courted at all the Right Sirees Dahling — he pisses away his gifts swapping undeserved mutual smarm with M.Amis, S.Rushdie and J.Fenton.

Can he have fucked up the Assault on Mt Kissinger? If he gets that right, I shall — I THINK I shall — forgive him his evermore desperately footling prose so-called style.

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Mark S: I love the GM line, and I think I back you on Hitchens. BUT I don't know whether your C Love comparison is a compliment or an insult.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Pinefox: nor do I. That's why I said it, perhaps.

"Sirees" = "soirees" — only I prefer "Sirees". It adds a mad Texa Panhandle flavour. Honour the hidden intention.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

dud for standing by bill - shouloda bitch slapped him right outta the oval office - though, could be classic if she ever decides to come oout.

Geoff, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

During the '96 presidential campaign at some point one of the networks showed an old picture of Bill and Hillary standing in the hallway of an unfinished house in work jeans, laughing - Hil with long dark hair swept up in a bandana, Bill with a touch of sideburn. They've - and now Hillary more than ever - become such hoarse little speech-giving machines. With no political vision besides their own (poll-tested) personal whims, as far as I can tell.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I find hillary clinton very attractive, and would like to spend "quality time" w/her. Thus "classic"

xoxo

/<-R4/>-31337, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Ditto. What I have never understood is why he needed to have affairs when married to her. Thus Classic.

Raggett: "made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad"... Took a while working through all the ways to parse this sentence.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm glad you approve. And if you don't, I don't care, so yah boo.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

November 5, 1959.

Went over to Lorraine’s house after school. She told me how her cousin Jim at Northwestern gets "high" by drinking cough syrup. We looked in her parents’ medicine chest, but we didn’t find any cough syrup. But there was a box of Sucrets. We didn’t know how many to take, so we each ate three.

I sat down and closed my eyes for fifteen minutes but nothing happened. So I decided to go to the kitchen and eat a banana. Then as I was getting up, the room suddenly started to spin real fast. The picture of Fabian on Lorraine’s wall looked right at me and winked. Then I got real dizzy. The walls were starting to collapse, so I fell on the floor and rolled myself into a ball. Lorraine was talking so fast that I couldn’t understand her. After a while I opened my eyes and the room was turning around slower and slower, like when you turn a record player off. Finally it stopped and I was able to catch my breath. I’ve never been SO SCARED in all my life. We’re taking some more tomorrow.

After this episode the girls went on a Sucrets jag that lasted until shortly after Christmas, when the local druggist got suspicious and refused to sell them any more. Hillary and Lorraine tried sniffing Elmer’s Glue, but it paled in comparison. They cast about for a substitute, testing and rejecting Vitamin C tablets, Carter’s Little Liver Pills, and St. Joseph’s Children’s Aspirin. The period of experimentation and disappointment lasted several months. Then Hillary found out about boys.

Hillary’s diary from this period reflects the anguish of a young girl cast adrift in a world she does not know or understand, bereft of the one thing that has given her life meaning. A typical entry reads:

December 20, 1961.

I’m bored. I wish it would snow. I want to move to Chicago. In Chicago you can walk into any store and get all the Sucrets you want. All the boys at school are yucky. I want to go to Chicago and meet a nice handsome boy and take Sucrets with him. My teachers assign too much homework.

the pinefox, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Further extracts from MR PINEFOX ENTERS THE ZONE to follow (I sincerely trust...)

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

seven years pass...

A friend of mine was telling me today about how, when she was working in a convent in Kenya, one of the little boys she was looking after was called Hillary Clinton, that was his first name. She said that sometimes the people there really liked the sound of english words and would name children after them, so there were children with names like Pressurecooker and Birthcontrol.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

I was going to ask how people rated Hillary as Secretary of State but knowing that somewhere in Kenya is a young boy named Birthcontrol has distracted me somewhat

Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

slightly less obnoxious/obsequious than Condi

modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

No second term as SOS or presidential run

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/clinton-running-for-president/

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:09 (ten years ago) link

I'm a bit surprised about no run for the nomination. Whatever happens in 2012, I thought she'd be in good position for '16. She'd be 69, same age as that old guy who won. I know a lot of people love her no matter what, and a lot of other people hate her no matter what, but I think I'm fairly representative of people who couldn't stand her through the '08 campaign but who've come around since then. (If she had run, I probably could have learned to not-stand-her all over again.)

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:04 (ten years ago) link

part of the problem

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:05 (ten years ago) link

Me or Hillary? Let me guess--both.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:06 (ten years ago) link

no; like me, you don't matter!

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:10 (ten years ago) link

All right--pressure's off!

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:12 (ten years ago) link

do you think hillary would get significant support from former obama supporters who now think she'd have made a better president in the first place? (subquestion - does anyone think she would have?)

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:25 (ten years ago) link

I think she would have ended up almost exactly like Obama tbh; they were always more similar than they were different.

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:26 (ten years ago) link

I think she would have got a fair amount of support from Obama '08 supporters because of the way she's conducted herself since she lost. (The three or four weeks where she slowly came to terms with having lost were surreal--remember them well.) If I explain any further, Morbius and other people will jump on, and this'll become another ridicule-Obama thread.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

I have no idea what kind of country will have left Obama's successor in 2012 (if he loses), let alone 2016, but I'm pretty sure I don't want HRC leading it.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

*Obama will have left his successor

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (ten years ago) link

*jumps on clemenza*

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

in 2016 it will be called President of Thunderdome btw

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:48 (ten years ago) link

she will run in '16

in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:52 (ten years ago) link

she will be 69 in 2016

buzza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:02 (ten years ago) link

will she still be "making change"?

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:05 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

The former U.S. secretary of state begins her Twitter bio with "Wife, mom."

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:07 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

Well that's very kind, but I am doing what I want to do right now and I have no intention or any idea even of running again - 2011

reliably bad liar

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:53 (five years ago) link

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

― mark s, Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:00 PM (14 years ago)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JYEe9GZbEVY/VvYaJnQLcsI/AAAAAAADCAg/wr3x9KLtTzs/s640/blogger-image--825882656.jpg

Mordy, Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:57 (five years ago) link

throngs of well-wishers begged her to run again and she stoically agreed to once again mount the rostrum and humbly offer her leadership to the nation -- this has been the storyline ever since George Washington

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:58 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

fb friend (lefty, as in just left his Dem Party registration for indie):

"The most pertinent fact likely to be overlooked in this extraordinarily troubling report is the following: neither the Secretary nor her top aides consented to be interviewed by the Inspector General of the very department of government they had been entrusted with running."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:09 (five years ago) link

A terrible attack on the only person that can possibly prevent the biggest threat to humanity since.....whatever the last thing was in american politics twonk circles

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:18 (five years ago) link

Nixon fans loved to say "They all did it."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:27 (five years ago) link

The election thread is like a convention of mob lawyers this afternoon :)

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:31 (five years ago) link

each party has its lemmings. it's a beautiful thing.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:32 (five years ago) link

Oh its like a lemmin party alright

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:36 (five years ago) link

dr morbius sounding a lot like the sort of person who lives by the movie 'fight club'

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:52 (five years ago) link

When life hands you lemmings, make lemmingaid.

putting the laughter in manslaughter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:29 (five years ago) link

omg deems

two months pass...

What do folks make of the Clinton Foundation stuff, and is there anything especially good to read on it? It continues to smell fishy to me even where many of their other "scandals" don't.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:53 (five years ago) link

ok i now regret posting her shitty tweet

― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, January 14, 2022 1:54 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Oh come on, you don't want to do this again?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 January 2022 18:56 (five days ago) link

i did it for the lols, i forgot there are people everywhere itching to do berniebro stuff

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 14 January 2022 18:57 (five days ago) link

#stillwithher

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 14 January 2022 18:58 (five days ago) link

#pantsuitbackfromthecleaners

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 18:59 (five days ago) link

This thread in a nutshell:

Love her or loathe her, I'll give you three reasons she should have been president: Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett.

― jimbeaux

It's amazing how even at 74, she manages to come off like the student council president trying to sound cool while saying "marijuana is for losers."

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:16 (five days ago) link

how is this woman still alive? i could have sworn she was on her death bed! remember at the 9/11 anniversary she passed out because her handler didn't give her the injection in her neck that was keeping her alive. pretty sure she was clinically dead there for a few minutes until they could get the baby blood she has to drink to function.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:17 (five days ago) link

the only thing I know is the whole "vote blue no matter who!" vs. "why should I play into this system when both sides are bad" debate is gonna get much worse now that Republicans are openly telegraphing the end of democracy

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 19:22 (five days ago) link

hey some people want democracy to end, other people want it to stay. I think they should met in the middle.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:25 (five days ago) link

"Both sides do it"

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 19:27 (five days ago) link

lmao this thread

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:27 (five days ago) link

classic, strong salty grandma energy

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:29 (five days ago) link

Is ‘nebb back?

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:37 (five days ago) link

Imagine a Hillary/Bernie/Kamala 2024 primary

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:39 (five days ago) link

what about a brunch instead

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:42 (five days ago) link

Is Pepsi OK?

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 19:43 (five days ago) link

I'm pretty sure most if not all of the people posting in this thread agree that (1) it would be better if any democrat, Hillary or otherwise, had won in 2016, (2) it is bad that Trump won, (3) it is bad that Trump got three supreme court picks, and (4) #3 is one of the main reasons why #1 is true.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:14 (five days ago) link

Bernie needs to pass the mantle in 2024 to someone like Jeff Merkley.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:17 (five days ago) link

I also think that one of the reasons, though not the exclusive reason, that democrats don't perform better hinges on the fundamental misunderstanding inherent in the idea that "Bernie voters stayed home/voted for Trump" (putting aside that this is an exaggerated phenomenon).

First, framing things that way implies that there is an immutable group of voters that would otherwise have voted for Hillary and even whose votes Hillary was entitled to. By not voting for Hillary, they actually betrayed the Democrats and Hillary to whom they owed their votes. This is just an extremely dumb and vain way to think about electoral politics. It completely misses the point that many of those voters were not necessarily likely democratic voters to begin with, and certainly were not solid, vote-blue-no-matter-who voters. The guy who voted for Bernie but voted for Trump in the general pretty obviously was not a solid democratic voter to begin with. Anytime a party blames voters rather than looking in the mirror and asking "why did we fail to win votes that we could have won?" it's clear why they lost.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:21 (five days ago) link

Certainly, I would not pin the entire loss on Bernie voters who stayed home. It's a truism that Hillary Clinton is hated, although I made hundreds of calls for her before the election and got an overwhelmingly positive response. The Comey announcement definitely hurt, as did her campaign's taking the swing states in the Midwest for granted. I was responding specifically to the assertion that Bernie should have been President, and know for a fact that at least some people who would have voted for Bernie did not vote at all in the general.

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 21:26 (five days ago) link

The decline in turnout among Black voters across all ages had a much bigger impact than 'Bernie voters who stayed home.'

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:42 (five days ago) link

Yes, that killed her in Michigan and Wisconsin.

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 21:43 (five days ago) link

dear god
please make me a bird, so i can fly fah, fah fah away from here
dear god
please make me

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 January 2022 21:44 (five days ago) link

where’s Detroit, asking as a foreigner

mardheamac (gyac), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:48 (five days ago) link

(1) Low Black turnout
(2) Comey news in October

Those things cost her the election.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:52 (five days ago) link

it's pretty commonly accepted that Hillary would have almost certainly won if not for that Comey letter right? it reinforced the one thing that everyone kept harping on and kept Trump out of the news for the most critical stretch. 10 days out from the election it was like a precision strike. another week and the polls probably would've bounced back. god it fuckin pissed me off seeing that tall goon everywhere talking about the danger of the dude he singlehandedly threw the election to

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 21:56 (five days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwaiyjh1dGk

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 14 January 2022 21:56 (five days ago) link

The best part was when Comey got welcomed into the #resistance after the letter and throwing the election.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:01 (five days ago) link

And wrote a book comparing Trump to a Mafia don.

jimbeaux, Friday, 14 January 2022 22:07 (five days ago) link

one of the cringiest characters to emerge in the Trump era, and buddy that is saying something

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:12 (five days ago) link

Karl otm

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:12 (five days ago) link

Bernie needs to pass the mantle in 2024 to someone like Jeff Merkley.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, January 14, 2022 3:17 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

look if there's one thing the GOP is doing right (electorally, at least), it's realizing that Trumpism is their future and flooding the polls with reactionaries like Boebert and Cawthorn, while the Dems are operating as though the future of the party is in intensely focus-grouped centrists like Mayor Pete and Kamala. like they are still in this mode where "qualifications" are all that matter. all my life I've seen the winner of the Presidential race go to whichever candidate is funnier/easier to imitate. What do Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Hillary Clinton all have in common? They're intensely boring people!! Nobody particularly likes them!! Sure, Biden is one of 'em too, but he had the advantage of running against the least popular president in history. The Dems **do** have politicians that people actually like and they seem to shun them at every turn. They have something in Bernie but, he's 78 years old and that is a concern everyone seems to have. They need to find as many people like him as they can. I legitimately had hope in 2018 when people like AOC, Ilhan, Tlaib etc. were winning seats. How many more are they gonna find for 2022? Cuz you know for the GOP it's gonna be all people like Matt Gaetz and MTG.

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 22:13 (five days ago) link

I got no problem with AOC or Ilhan Omar going after the Bernie base in 2024. They know how to go on the offensive.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:29 (five days ago) link

frogbs otm

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:38 (five days ago) link

xp Omar can’t run for President.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:40 (five days ago) link

too bad. and I'm not sure if AOC is 35 y.o. in 2024.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:48 (five days ago) link

The GOP was better at recognizing AOC's political talent than the dems were. You can tell by how hard they went after her (admittedly also part of a strategy to paint the dems as far left)

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 January 2022 23:02 (five days ago) link

Also helps that AOC is attractive and has this sort of celebrity aura about her. I think this was a big part of Obama's appeal too. When the 2020 Dem debates were happening when it was just Bernie and Biden a lot of people commented on the optics of that, like how can you get excited about two old men shouting at each other? Who's looking at that and saying "yes, these are my people"? AOC very much seems like the sort of person who can win people over. She's very articulate and has a way of speaking that is very unlike typical Dem politicians.

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 23:19 (five days ago) link

. When the 2020 Dem debates were happening when it was just Bernie and Biden a lot of people commented on the optics of that, like how can you get excited about two old men shouting at each other? Who's looking at that and saying "yes, these are my people"?

dogg, who do you think votes?

jpg trouble in wallo gina (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 14 January 2022 23:22 (five days ago) link

Like, for Democrats specifically?

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 23:25 (five days ago) link

Whats the odds of clinton running again

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 January 2022 00:19 (four days ago) link

That may be, but she was the party's nominee. The Bernie voters who stayed home in the general can go fuck themselves, since they fucked the rest of us.

― jimbeaux, Friday, January 14, 2022 1:34 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it’s adorable to me that we still have dopey posters like this what with our membership drought, can’t wait to see what’s next for this guy

auld gang syne (k3vin k.), Saturday, 15 January 2022 00:57 (four days ago) link

Mimbeauxship drought

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 January 2022 01:00 (four days ago) link

listened to the le tigre song and now I finally understand why trump won

symsymsym, Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:30 (four days ago) link

I think AOC turns 35 the month before the 2015 election

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:04 (four days ago) link

Uh, the 2014 one i mean

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:05 (four days ago) link

Or perhaps 2024

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:05 (four days ago) link

we could do a poll

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:56 (four days ago) link

I never want to look at a poll involving Hillary Clinton again

frogbs, Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:58 (four days ago) link

this is not my beautiful subtweet

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 January 2022 07:04 (four days ago) link


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