Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

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Murderous plastic harridan 'author' of committee-written books, or Heroine of 1990s and millennial Queen of NYC?

And where's the $60 she borrowed off me?

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic but not because of any heroine bullshit or queen of NYC crap (she isn't, we all hate her). Classic like Giuliani: because she's psycho.

Ally, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Hillary to you is anything like Ken to us?

No, I think Hillary for me = Ken for me, + looks.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think her n her husband are a couple of elitist crooks. Any lil rant I could go into right now, lacking the proper stats n figures to back it up properly, would pale in comparison to you all just doing the right thing and buying or checking out No One Left To Lie To by Christopher Hitchens, which does the job so most adequately. Thank you.

Chris Cook, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think she will work towards mostly liberal and rational goals but may end up as mired in beurocratic(sp) politics as all the other ham- heads.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I like her because she made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad. I'm into that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

If Greil Marcus had written NOTHING ELSE, I would love him for this (sadly all-too accurate) sideswipe put-down: "as self- regarding as an obituary by Christopher Hitchens". Hitchens' return shot — attack- dog review of Double Trouble — was a disgrace, a deeply intellectually dishonest piece of work.

Ten years ago, CH was a pretty great writer. Five years ago, patchily great. Now — wonky on the BOUZE and courted at all the Right Sirees Dahling — he pisses away his gifts swapping undeserved mutual smarm with M.Amis, S.Rushdie and J.Fenton.

Can he have fucked up the Assault on Mt Kissinger? If he gets that right, I shall — I THINK I shall — forgive him his evermore desperately footling prose so-called style.

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Mark S: I love the GM line, and I think I back you on Hitchens. BUT I don't know whether your C Love comparison is a compliment or an insult.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: nor do I. That's why I said it, perhaps.

"Sirees" = "soirees" — only I prefer "Sirees". It adds a mad Texa Panhandle flavour. Honour the hidden intention.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dud for standing by bill - shouloda bitch slapped him right outta the oval office - though, could be classic if she ever decides to come oout.

Geoff, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

During the '96 presidential campaign at some point one of the networks showed an old picture of Bill and Hillary standing in the hallway of an unfinished house in work jeans, laughing - Hil with long dark hair swept up in a bandana, Bill with a touch of sideburn. They've - and now Hillary more than ever - become such hoarse little speech-giving machines. With no political vision besides their own (poll-tested) personal whims, as far as I can tell.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I find hillary clinton very attractive, and would like to spend "quality time" w/her. Thus "classic"

xoxo

/<-R4/>-31337, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ditto. What I have never understood is why he needed to have affairs when married to her. Thus Classic.

Raggett: "made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad"... Took a while working through all the ways to parse this sentence.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad you approve. And if you don't, I don't care, so yah boo.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

November 5, 1959.

Went over to Lorraine’s house after school. She told me how her cousin Jim at Northwestern gets "high" by drinking cough syrup. We looked in her parents’ medicine chest, but we didn’t find any cough syrup. But there was a box of Sucrets. We didn’t know how many to take, so we each ate three.

I sat down and closed my eyes for fifteen minutes but nothing happened. So I decided to go to the kitchen and eat a banana. Then as I was getting up, the room suddenly started to spin real fast. The picture of Fabian on Lorraine’s wall looked right at me and winked. Then I got real dizzy. The walls were starting to collapse, so I fell on the floor and rolled myself into a ball. Lorraine was talking so fast that I couldn’t understand her. After a while I opened my eyes and the room was turning around slower and slower, like when you turn a record player off. Finally it stopped and I was able to catch my breath. I’ve never been SO SCARED in all my life. We’re taking some more tomorrow.

After this episode the girls went on a Sucrets jag that lasted until shortly after Christmas, when the local druggist got suspicious and refused to sell them any more. Hillary and Lorraine tried sniffing Elmer’s Glue, but it paled in comparison. They cast about for a substitute, testing and rejecting Vitamin C tablets, Carter’s Little Liver Pills, and St. Joseph’s Children’s Aspirin. The period of experimentation and disappointment lasted several months. Then Hillary found out about boys.

Hillary’s diary from this period reflects the anguish of a young girl cast adrift in a world she does not know or understand, bereft of the one thing that has given her life meaning. A typical entry reads:

December 20, 1961.

I’m bored. I wish it would snow. I want to move to Chicago. In Chicago you can walk into any store and get all the Sucrets you want. All the boys at school are yucky. I want to go to Chicago and meet a nice handsome boy and take Sucrets with him. My teachers assign too much homework.

the pinefox, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Further extracts from MR PINEFOX ENTERS THE ZONE to follow (I sincerely trust...)

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

A friend of mine was telling me today about how, when she was working in a convent in Kenya, one of the little boys she was looking after was called Hillary Clinton, that was his first name. She said that sometimes the people there really liked the sound of english words and would name children after them, so there were children with names like Pressurecooker and Birthcontrol.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I was going to ask how people rated Hillary as Secretary of State but knowing that somewhere in Kenya is a young boy named Birthcontrol has distracted me somewhat

Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

slightly less obnoxious/obsequious than Condi

modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

No second term as SOS or presidential run

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/clinton-running-for-president/

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:09 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm a bit surprised about no run for the nomination. Whatever happens in 2012, I thought she'd be in good position for '16. She'd be 69, same age as that old guy who won. I know a lot of people love her no matter what, and a lot of other people hate her no matter what, but I think I'm fairly representative of people who couldn't stand her through the '08 campaign but who've come around since then. (If she had run, I probably could have learned to not-stand-her all over again.)

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:04 (six years ago) Permalink

part of the problem

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:05 (six years ago) Permalink

Me or Hillary? Let me guess--both.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:06 (six years ago) Permalink

no; like me, you don't matter!

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:10 (six years ago) Permalink

All right--pressure's off!

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:12 (six years ago) Permalink

do you think hillary would get significant support from former obama supporters who now think she'd have made a better president in the first place? (subquestion - does anyone think she would have?)

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:25 (six years ago) Permalink

I think she would have ended up almost exactly like Obama tbh; they were always more similar than they were different.

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:26 (six years ago) Permalink

I think she would have got a fair amount of support from Obama '08 supporters because of the way she's conducted herself since she lost. (The three or four weeks where she slowly came to terms with having lost were surreal--remember them well.) If I explain any further, Morbius and other people will jump on, and this'll become another ridicule-Obama thread.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

I have no idea what kind of country will have left Obama's successor in 2012 (if he loses), let alone 2016, but I'm pretty sure I don't want HRC leading it.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (six years ago) Permalink

*Obama will have left his successor

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (six years ago) Permalink

*jumps on clemenza*

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (six years ago) Permalink

in 2016 it will be called President of Thunderdome btw

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:48 (six years ago) Permalink

she will run in '16

in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:52 (six years ago) Permalink

she will be 69 in 2016

buzza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:02 (six years ago) Permalink

will she still be "making change"?

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:05 (six years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The former U.S. secretary of state begins her Twitter bio with "Wife, mom."

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:07 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Well that's very kind, but I am doing what I want to do right now and I have no intention or any idea even of running again - 2011

reliably bad liar

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

― mark s, Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:00 PM (14 years ago)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JYEe9GZbEVY/VvYaJnQLcsI/AAAAAAADCAg/wr3x9KLtTzs/s640/blogger-image--825882656.jpg

Mordy, Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:57 (one year ago) Permalink

throngs of well-wishers begged her to run again and she stoically agreed to once again mount the rostrum and humbly offer her leadership to the nation -- this has been the storyline ever since George Washington

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:58 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

fb friend (lefty, as in just left his Dem Party registration for indie):

"The most pertinent fact likely to be overlooked in this extraordinarily troubling report is the following: neither the Secretary nor her top aides consented to be interviewed by the Inspector General of the very department of government they had been entrusted with running."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:09 (one year ago) Permalink

A terrible attack on the only person that can possibly prevent the biggest threat to humanity since.....whatever the last thing was in american politics twonk circles

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Nixon fans loved to say "They all did it."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:27 (one year ago) Permalink

The election thread is like a convention of mob lawyers this afternoon :)

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:31 (one year ago) Permalink

each party has its lemmings. it's a beautiful thing.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh its like a lemmin party alright

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:36 (one year ago) Permalink

dr morbius sounding a lot like the sort of person who lives by the movie 'fight club'

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:52 (one year ago) Permalink

When life hands you lemmings, make lemmingaid.

putting the laughter in manslaughter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:29 (one year ago) Permalink

omg deems

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:30 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

What do folks make of the Clinton Foundation stuff, and is there anything especially good to read on it? It continues to smell fishy to me even where many of their other "scandals" don't.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I hope Adam has earned a shitload of FPs for whatever the fuck he thought he was accomplishing here

dumbass

El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think at this point, given her history and people's personal feelings toward her, a good faith conversation is just not possible

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

no I think rational people in a good mental state could still have one but there's not many rational people and most of them have been stressed the fuck out for over a year now

El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i strongly dislike hillary clinton but adam's opinion of her criminal defense work is such a bad one

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

WHAT'S TRUE
In 1975, young lawyer Hillary Rodham was appointed to represent a defendant charged with raping a 12-year-old girl. Clinton reluctantly took on the case, which ended with a plea bargain for the defendant, and later chuckled about some aspects of the case when discussing it years later.

https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i know im being so mean calling out this person for doing something they actually did

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and once again adam shits his pants live on ilx and we all get to watch and slam our own foreheads in sympathy

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

she actually did represent a person competently? and he pleaded guilty? ok

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 27 January 2018 22:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

That, and she cackled about the fact that he went free, as the snopes article Adam definitely read all the way thru and understood clearly says

very stabbable gaius (wins), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Finally, Hillary didn’t “free” the defendant in the case. Instead, the prosecuting attorney agreed to a plea deal involving a lesser charge that carried a five-year sentence, of which the judge suspended four years and allowed two months credit of time already served towards the remaining year:

pretty lenient sentencing! i imagine her being friends w the judge who initially requested her had an impact on this sentence. as for the plea bargin:

The victim says it was her mother, who had recently been abandoned by her husband, who pushed for a quick plea deal to avoid the humiliation of having her daughter testify in open court. The mother, who died several years ago, was so eager to end the ordeal she coached her daughter’s statements and interrupted interviews with police, Sgt. Dale Gibson (the department’s lead investigator) recalls.

“We both wanted it to be over with,” the victim told Newsday. “They kept asking me the same questions over and over. I was crying all the time.”

this is appalling.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

stop

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Eight years later, in 2016, the UK’s Daily Mail identified the victim (who had previously spoken anonymously to the Daily Beast) as Kathy Shelton and quoted her as saying that she “cannot forgive Hillary Clinton for defending her rapist” and that she was unaware for many years that Hillary Clinton was the person who had represented the defendant in her case:

‘It’s put a lot of anger back in me,’ said Shelton, now 54, in an exclusive interview at her Springdale, Arkansas, home. ‘Every time I see (Clinton) on TV I just want to reach in there and grab her, but I can’t do that.’

For decades, Shelton said she had no idea that Clinton was the same woman as the lawyer who defended her rapist in 1975.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It's appalling to use a real person's trauma as a prop to grind your stupid axe on

very stabbable gaius (wins), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

stop

― k3vin k., Saturday, January 27, 2018 11:04 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i guess if you get accused of rape get a lawyer who won't try too hard

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

going back a ways here but, adam, i just want to clarify that i do think what happened to that child is worse than what hillary has endured by the media, obviously, and that's not the definition of tragedy i was using. i thought i made it clear but i want to be explicit so you don't think i am a monster.

treeship 2, Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

We should have a Times Squares-esque FP countdown for shit like this.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Idk he is being over the top but let’s leave him alone. It’s just coming from a place of despair and anger at the leadership class of this country and what a trash heap they’ve turned it into

treeship 2, Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i think we should leave him alone so he stops talking about it but despair and anger is not an excuse to be wrong

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It’s not, you’re right. And he is wrong. But I just take no joy in pile ons these days.

treeship 2, Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's good he has an advocate like you to defend him

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink

! i imagine her being friends w the judge who initially requested her had an impact on this sentence

For ten points please circle the key word in this sentence. HINTS: It begins with "i" but is not "I."

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Sunday, 28 January 2018 00:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

classic

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 January 2018 00:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I do enjoy when my libertarian/green party friends randomly post an anti-Hillary meme on fb to absolutely no comments or likes. It's like their fart in the wind to remind us that Trump isn't their fault.

Yerac, Sunday, 28 January 2018 00:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hard to think of a more definitive dud that isn't actually a wet firework or the maginot line

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 28 January 2018 00:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this thread revive rules

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 January 2018 01:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

more on this thing if you hate yourself

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-let-him-stay-women-say-his-harassment?utm_term=.nokB7Bl23V#.vr80A0EOp4

Simon H., Sunday, 28 January 2018 14:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's the least important part of this story but yes of course the Democrats' well-compensated go-to Faith Adviser is a white Southern Baptist and not a representative of the many religious communities that actually support Democrats

— slackbot (@pareene) January 28, 2018

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 28 January 2018 14:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I did wonder about that. (Actually, my first thought was "why tf does a Presidential candidate need a 'faith advisor'?")

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's just so unbelievably on-brand it hurts

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this thread revive rules


I'm chuckling over aspects of it tbh

very stabbable gaius (wins), Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's just so unbelievably on-brand it hurts

Also true of every post in this thread.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thoughtful people often display a consistent character. It's not a bad thing really. Totally unpredictable people are exhausting.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thoughtful people often display a consistent character.

Morbius and Bruneau, too!

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I say nothing about the quality of the thoughts. All those militia types who carry pocket constitutions show themselves to be thoughtful people, too. At least with thoughtful people you can figure out who you are dealing with and act accordingly.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 29 January 2018 05:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sorry, i have no idea who/what the subject of this thread is. #TheRealUnperson

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's emails iirc

j., Monday, 29 January 2018 14:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cantaloupes and ballastics

President Keyes, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ballistics

President Keyes, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Please don't explain it to him...

Frederik B, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/Zr1MiZy.jpg

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2018 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

please tell me thats real

flappy bird, Monday, 12 February 2018 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

oh HELL yeah

Simon H., Monday, 12 February 2018 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

remote login failed, gonna have to make a trip down to the server room, probably be back up i dunno june, july, sorry, best i can do, i'm out of the office all spring

j., Monday, 12 February 2018 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

It’s what you see when you hit the site, so it’s real as of this moment

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2018 19:01 (one week ago) Permalink

incredible

flappy bird, Monday, 12 February 2018 19:03 (one week ago) Permalink

probably rebooting as a site that resells timeshare vacation contracts for pennies on the dollar. or something.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 12 February 2018 19:04 (one week ago) Permalink

While we wait, check out http://verritt.com

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2018 19:20 (one week ago) Permalink


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