Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

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Murderous plastic harridan 'author' of committee-written books, or Heroine of 1990s and millennial Queen of NYC?

And where's the $60 she borrowed off me?

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic but not because of any heroine bullshit or queen of NYC crap (she isn't, we all hate her). Classic like Giuliani: because she's psycho.

Ally, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Hillary to you is anything like Ken to us?

No, I think Hillary for me = Ken for me, + looks.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think her n her husband are a couple of elitist crooks. Any lil rant I could go into right now, lacking the proper stats n figures to back it up properly, would pale in comparison to you all just doing the right thing and buying or checking out No One Left To Lie To by Christopher Hitchens, which does the job so most adequately. Thank you.

Chris Cook, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think she will work towards mostly liberal and rational goals but may end up as mired in beurocratic(sp) politics as all the other ham- heads.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like her because she made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad. I'm into that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

If Greil Marcus had written NOTHING ELSE, I would love him for this (sadly all-too accurate) sideswipe put-down: "as self- regarding as an obituary by Christopher Hitchens". Hitchens' return shot — attack- dog review of Double Trouble — was a disgrace, a deeply intellectually dishonest piece of work.

Ten years ago, CH was a pretty great writer. Five years ago, patchily great. Now — wonky on the BOUZE and courted at all the Right Sirees Dahling — he pisses away his gifts swapping undeserved mutual smarm with M.Amis, S.Rushdie and J.Fenton.

Can he have fucked up the Assault on Mt Kissinger? If he gets that right, I shall — I THINK I shall — forgive him his evermore desperately footling prose so-called style.

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Mark S: I love the GM line, and I think I back you on Hitchens. BUT I don't know whether your C Love comparison is a compliment or an insult.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: nor do I. That's why I said it, perhaps.

"Sirees" = "soirees" — only I prefer "Sirees". It adds a mad Texa Panhandle flavour. Honour the hidden intention.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

dud for standing by bill - shouloda bitch slapped him right outta the oval office - though, could be classic if she ever decides to come oout.

Geoff, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

During the '96 presidential campaign at some point one of the networks showed an old picture of Bill and Hillary standing in the hallway of an unfinished house in work jeans, laughing - Hil with long dark hair swept up in a bandana, Bill with a touch of sideburn. They've - and now Hillary more than ever - become such hoarse little speech-giving machines. With no political vision besides their own (poll-tested) personal whims, as far as I can tell.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I find hillary clinton very attractive, and would like to spend "quality time" w/her. Thus "classic"

xoxo

/<-R4/>-31337, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ditto. What I have never understood is why he needed to have affairs when married to her. Thus Classic.

Raggett: "made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad"... Took a while working through all the ways to parse this sentence.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad you approve. And if you don't, I don't care, so yah boo.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

November 5, 1959.

Went over to Lorraine’s house after school. She told me how her cousin Jim at Northwestern gets "high" by drinking cough syrup. We looked in her parents’ medicine chest, but we didn’t find any cough syrup. But there was a box of Sucrets. We didn’t know how many to take, so we each ate three.

I sat down and closed my eyes for fifteen minutes but nothing happened. So I decided to go to the kitchen and eat a banana. Then as I was getting up, the room suddenly started to spin real fast. The picture of Fabian on Lorraine’s wall looked right at me and winked. Then I got real dizzy. The walls were starting to collapse, so I fell on the floor and rolled myself into a ball. Lorraine was talking so fast that I couldn’t understand her. After a while I opened my eyes and the room was turning around slower and slower, like when you turn a record player off. Finally it stopped and I was able to catch my breath. I’ve never been SO SCARED in all my life. We’re taking some more tomorrow.

After this episode the girls went on a Sucrets jag that lasted until shortly after Christmas, when the local druggist got suspicious and refused to sell them any more. Hillary and Lorraine tried sniffing Elmer’s Glue, but it paled in comparison. They cast about for a substitute, testing and rejecting Vitamin C tablets, Carter’s Little Liver Pills, and St. Joseph’s Children’s Aspirin. The period of experimentation and disappointment lasted several months. Then Hillary found out about boys.

Hillary’s diary from this period reflects the anguish of a young girl cast adrift in a world she does not know or understand, bereft of the one thing that has given her life meaning. A typical entry reads:

December 20, 1961.

I’m bored. I wish it would snow. I want to move to Chicago. In Chicago you can walk into any store and get all the Sucrets you want. All the boys at school are yucky. I want to go to Chicago and meet a nice handsome boy and take Sucrets with him. My teachers assign too much homework.

the pinefox, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Further extracts from MR PINEFOX ENTERS THE ZONE to follow (I sincerely trust...)

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

A friend of mine was telling me today about how, when she was working in a convent in Kenya, one of the little boys she was looking after was called Hillary Clinton, that was his first name. She said that sometimes the people there really liked the sound of english words and would name children after them, so there were children with names like Pressurecooker and Birthcontrol.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I was going to ask how people rated Hillary as Secretary of State but knowing that somewhere in Kenya is a young boy named Birthcontrol has distracted me somewhat

Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

slightly less obnoxious/obsequious than Condi

modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

No second term as SOS or presidential run

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/clinton-running-for-president/

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm a bit surprised about no run for the nomination. Whatever happens in 2012, I thought she'd be in good position for '16. She'd be 69, same age as that old guy who won. I know a lot of people love her no matter what, and a lot of other people hate her no matter what, but I think I'm fairly representative of people who couldn't stand her through the '08 campaign but who've come around since then. (If she had run, I probably could have learned to not-stand-her all over again.)

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

part of the problem

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Me or Hillary? Let me guess--both.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

no; like me, you don't matter!

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

All right--pressure's off!

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

do you think hillary would get significant support from former obama supporters who now think she'd have made a better president in the first place? (subquestion - does anyone think she would have?)

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think she would have ended up almost exactly like Obama tbh; they were always more similar than they were different.

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think she would have got a fair amount of support from Obama '08 supporters because of the way she's conducted herself since she lost. (The three or four weeks where she slowly came to terms with having lost were surreal--remember them well.) If I explain any further, Morbius and other people will jump on, and this'll become another ridicule-Obama thread.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have no idea what kind of country will have left Obama's successor in 2012 (if he loses), let alone 2016, but I'm pretty sure I don't want HRC leading it.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

*Obama will have left his successor

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

*jumps on clemenza*

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

in 2016 it will be called President of Thunderdome btw

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

she will run in '16

in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

she will be 69 in 2016

buzza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

will she still be "making change"?

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The former U.S. secretary of state begins her Twitter bio with "Wife, mom."

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Well that's very kind, but I am doing what I want to do right now and I have no intention or any idea even of running again - 2011

reliably bad liar

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

― mark s, Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:00 PM (14 years ago)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JYEe9GZbEVY/VvYaJnQLcsI/AAAAAAADCAg/wr3x9KLtTzs/s640/blogger-image--825882656.jpg

Mordy, Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:57 (two years ago) Permalink

throngs of well-wishers begged her to run again and she stoically agreed to once again mount the rostrum and humbly offer her leadership to the nation -- this has been the storyline ever since George Washington

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:58 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

fb friend (lefty, as in just left his Dem Party registration for indie):

"The most pertinent fact likely to be overlooked in this extraordinarily troubling report is the following: neither the Secretary nor her top aides consented to be interviewed by the Inspector General of the very department of government they had been entrusted with running."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:09 (two years ago) Permalink

A terrible attack on the only person that can possibly prevent the biggest threat to humanity since.....whatever the last thing was in american politics twonk circles

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:18 (two years ago) Permalink

Nixon fans loved to say "They all did it."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:27 (two years ago) Permalink

The election thread is like a convention of mob lawyers this afternoon :)

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:31 (two years ago) Permalink

each party has its lemmings. it's a beautiful thing.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:32 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh its like a lemmin party alright

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:36 (two years ago) Permalink

dr morbius sounding a lot like the sort of person who lives by the movie 'fight club'

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:52 (two years ago) Permalink

When life hands you lemmings, make lemmingaid.

putting the laughter in manslaughter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:29 (two years ago) Permalink

omg deems

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:30 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

What do folks make of the Clinton Foundation stuff, and is there anything especially good to read on it? It continues to smell fishy to me even where many of their other "scandals" don't.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:53 (two years ago) Permalink

probably rebooting as a site that resells timeshare vacation contracts for pennies on the dollar. or something.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 12 February 2018 19:04 (six months ago) Permalink

While we wait, check out http://verritt.com

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2018 19:20 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

jes' gonna leave this here

“I view it as a national security threat that the State Department has been so decimated, and I don’t know what will happen with the nomination of Mike Pompeo to become the next secretary of state, but the one small glimmer of hope is when he went into the CIA, he only brought two people with him and he really relied on the career intelligence people,” Clinton said.

“If he will rebuild the State Department, and start listening to those who have very valuable experience, maybe we can work ourselves out of this hole we’re in,” she continued.

https://splinternews.com/hillary-clinton-is-reportedly-eager-to-help-mike-pompeo-1825141301

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:57 (four months ago) Permalink

the CIA is bad!!

the late great, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:00 (four months ago) Permalink

Hillary Clinton: Stupid or Evil?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:04 (four months ago) Permalink

Both

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:06 (four months ago) Permalink

If she's stupid, it's that specialized kind of stupidity that often strikes the very bright, by convincing them they know so much they must always be more right than anyone else.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:09 (four months ago) Permalink

Hillary Clinton: Stupid or Evil?


Both

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah aimless that’s part of it, which can lead to people being woefully out of touch with everyone else

Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 03:40 (four months ago) Permalink

more hubris than stupid

Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:15 (four months ago) Permalink

Is the State Department bad now?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:41 (four months ago) Permalink

How glib.

Hilary Clinton is in the process of helping Mike Pompeo become the highest diplomat in the world's most powerful country. He is an open islamophobe (and a bigot in various other ways) who has defended torture, wants to scrap the Iranian nuclear deal, and as CIA chief has met with conspiracy theorists pushing the theory that the phishing of democrat emails during the 2016 election was an inside job.

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 20:34 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah yeah yeah Pompeo is horrible but the glibness is in the splinternewz link. And jfc we know the quotes in the story dont constitute “helping him become...”.. Also “State Department is bad actually” is a take the extremely online left has been flirting with lately with Pareene’s help.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 20:59 (four months ago) Permalink

I mean it is bad obv. I'm not American though so not as keen on your imperial state

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 21:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Definitely say more things.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 21:07 (four months ago) Permalink

Hilary Clinton is in the process of helping Mike Pompeo become the highest diplomat in the world's most powerful country.

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver)

so who _is_ the highest-ranking diplomat in russia, anyway?

(how's _that_ for glib?)

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 21:08 (four months ago) Permalink

state tends to be a diplomatic counterweight to military options which is presumably why trump admin gutted it

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 21:09 (four months ago) Permalink

Hilary Clinton is in the process of helping Mike Pompeo become the highest diplomat in the world's most powerful country.

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver)

so who _is_ the highest-ranking diplomat in russia, anyway?

(how's _that_ for glib?)

― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, April 11, 2018 2:08 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sergey Lavrov

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 21:11 (four months ago) Permalink

i should say i don't really know if that's why and he gutted like civil servant orgs and some of that is prob carelessness and some is general hostility to civil service. but traditionally u want more options than just which bombers to deploy.

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 21:11 (four months ago) Permalink

Can’t be overstated how bad that article is. Pompeo sought help from Hillary and she said he should listen to real diplomats = “whoa Hillary loves Pompeo”.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:24 (four months ago) Permalink

i chuckled at "extremely online left"

had (crüt), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:26 (four months ago) Permalink

It’s the old resistance canard: That it’s worse for Trump and his cronies to make the government less functional and more chaotic than it is for the fascist #Drumpf regime to have an efficient, well-oiled machine to enact its awful ideas. It is terrible that so many career diplomats have left the State Department but I have no idea how even a fully-staffed department under Pompeo would improve America or the world in the slightest.

god this writer is a fuckin' idiot

i wonder how many of the cynical clickbait twitter leftists writing and retweeting this bullshit could actually give you a detailed explanation of how anything works in the federal government

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:39 (four months ago) Permalink

its sad some will never make it as a jr narc

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:40 (four months ago) Permalink

fuck all cops and squares forever!!!

the late great, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:43 (four months ago) Permalink

i mean fuck cops for real but that piece is awful

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:56 (four months ago) Permalink

i'm prepared to be called a centrist for this

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:57 (four months ago) Permalink

I have no strong feelings on this. Pompeo is slime but there's nothing at all surprising or noteworthy for HC to be taking his calls.

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:09 (four months ago) Permalink

The proof that feds like me are scum is that I didn’t quit my job last year and go work for... Facebook?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:27 (four months ago) Permalink

The left adopting the “large bureaucracies are all terrible” posture is pretty fucking stupid in both the short and long term

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:29 (four months ago) Permalink

the Angry Samoans may have been on to something

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:30 (four months ago) Permalink

If the aim of the trv kvlt cassette only left (not neoliberal scum) is socialism in the US is there a implementation of socialism that doesn't include large govt bureaucracies?

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:38 (four months ago) Permalink

are left wing podcasts available on cassette?

the late great, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:40 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah dude check discogs

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:42 (four months ago) Permalink

I would wager said kvltists are by and large more disgusted with how said bureacracies have been wielded by both major parties to the material disadvantage of the average citizen, not to mention citizens abroad, than the notion of bureaucracy itself.

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Oh, well, that certainly seems like an important distinction for the pompous assholes who identify with that belief set.

“Somebody should ensure everyone is treated fairly!”

“Not me though! Fuck a government job!”

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:49 (four months ago) Permalink

I'll pass on to the mods at antifa.org that you're one of the good ones.

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:51 (four months ago) Permalink

Thanks : )

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:53 (four months ago) Permalink

ah, look, this isn't even a hard argument for a socialist revolutionary to make. the problem is that the existing bureaucracies are ideologically in service of oppression of The People. obviously the solution is to get rid of the Oppressors' Bureacracies and replace them with institutions dedicated to liberating The People from their Oppressors.

this isn't a novel line of argument, and as to whether people will buy the same old bullshit all over again, well, they already are, aren't they?

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:58 (four months ago) Permalink

this thread has become very intangible

Dan S, Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:10 (four months ago) Permalink

xp and yet by nearly any measure quality of life has improved as those bureaucracies have proliferated soooooo

the late great, Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:18 (four months ago) Permalink

Definitely need more dirtbag leftists at OSHA to run the checklists on those chemical plants.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:23 (four months ago) Permalink

Also Dan S otm I think?

El Tomboto, Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:23 (four months ago) Permalink

honestly is it really so much worse than the alternatives

Simon H., Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:30 (four months ago) Permalink

Now you sound like a garden variety libertarian

El Tomboto, Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:35 (four months ago) Permalink

I meant re thread derailment lol

Simon H., Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:42 (four months ago) Permalink

OK now we share a lol

El Tomboto, Thursday, 12 April 2018 02:08 (four months ago) Permalink

just large bureaucracies that murder children, ET

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:52 (four months ago) Permalink

i mean that shitpile Albright even got a fresh NPR segment the other day

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:52 (four months ago) Permalink

Brad you're just a centrist enabler

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:53 (four months ago) Permalink

and yet by nearly any measure quality of life has improved as those bureaucracies have proliferated soooooo

for whom? i'm not thrilled with my QoL these days, and it will likely get worse.

however if Tom is hiring...

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 April 2018 06:56 (four months ago) Permalink


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