Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

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Murderous plastic harridan 'author' of committee-written books, or Heroine of 1990s and millennial Queen of NYC?

And where's the $60 she borrowed off me?

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic but not because of any heroine bullshit or queen of NYC crap (she isn't, we all hate her). Classic like Giuliani: because she's psycho.

Ally, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Hillary to you is anything like Ken to us?

No, I think Hillary for me = Ken for me, + looks.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think her n her husband are a couple of elitist crooks. Any lil rant I could go into right now, lacking the proper stats n figures to back it up properly, would pale in comparison to you all just doing the right thing and buying or checking out No One Left To Lie To by Christopher Hitchens, which does the job so most adequately. Thank you.

Chris Cook, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I think she will work towards mostly liberal and rational goals but may end up as mired in beurocratic(sp) politics as all the other ham- heads.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I like her because she made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad. I'm into that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

If Greil Marcus had written NOTHING ELSE, I would love him for this (sadly all-too accurate) sideswipe put-down: "as self- regarding as an obituary by Christopher Hitchens". Hitchens' return shot — attack- dog review of Double Trouble — was a disgrace, a deeply intellectually dishonest piece of work.

Ten years ago, CH was a pretty great writer. Five years ago, patchily great. Now — wonky on the BOUZE and courted at all the Right Sirees Dahling — he pisses away his gifts swapping undeserved mutual smarm with M.Amis, S.Rushdie and J.Fenton.

Can he have fucked up the Assault on Mt Kissinger? If he gets that right, I shall — I THINK I shall — forgive him his evermore desperately footling prose so-called style.

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Mark S: I love the GM line, and I think I back you on Hitchens. BUT I don't know whether your C Love comparison is a compliment or an insult.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: nor do I. That's why I said it, perhaps.

"Sirees" = "soirees" — only I prefer "Sirees". It adds a mad Texa Panhandle flavour. Honour the hidden intention.

mark s, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

dud for standing by bill - shouloda bitch slapped him right outta the oval office - though, could be classic if she ever decides to come oout.

Geoff, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

During the '96 presidential campaign at some point one of the networks showed an old picture of Bill and Hillary standing in the hallway of an unfinished house in work jeans, laughing - Hil with long dark hair swept up in a bandana, Bill with a touch of sideburn. They've - and now Hillary more than ever - become such hoarse little speech-giving machines. With no political vision besides their own (poll-tested) personal whims, as far as I can tell.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I find hillary clinton very attractive, and would like to spend "quality time" w/her. Thus "classic"

xoxo

/<-R4/>-31337, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ditto. What I have never understood is why he needed to have affairs when married to her. Thus Classic.

Raggett: "made a bunch of old guys who should be dead mad"... Took a while working through all the ways to parse this sentence.

the pinefox, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad you approve. And if you don't, I don't care, so yah boo.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

November 5, 1959.

Went over to Lorraine’s house after school. She told me how her cousin Jim at Northwestern gets "high" by drinking cough syrup. We looked in her parents’ medicine chest, but we didn’t find any cough syrup. But there was a box of Sucrets. We didn’t know how many to take, so we each ate three.

I sat down and closed my eyes for fifteen minutes but nothing happened. So I decided to go to the kitchen and eat a banana. Then as I was getting up, the room suddenly started to spin real fast. The picture of Fabian on Lorraine’s wall looked right at me and winked. Then I got real dizzy. The walls were starting to collapse, so I fell on the floor and rolled myself into a ball. Lorraine was talking so fast that I couldn’t understand her. After a while I opened my eyes and the room was turning around slower and slower, like when you turn a record player off. Finally it stopped and I was able to catch my breath. I’ve never been SO SCARED in all my life. We’re taking some more tomorrow.

After this episode the girls went on a Sucrets jag that lasted until shortly after Christmas, when the local druggist got suspicious and refused to sell them any more. Hillary and Lorraine tried sniffing Elmer’s Glue, but it paled in comparison. They cast about for a substitute, testing and rejecting Vitamin C tablets, Carter’s Little Liver Pills, and St. Joseph’s Children’s Aspirin. The period of experimentation and disappointment lasted several months. Then Hillary found out about boys.

Hillary’s diary from this period reflects the anguish of a young girl cast adrift in a world she does not know or understand, bereft of the one thing that has given her life meaning. A typical entry reads:

December 20, 1961.

I’m bored. I wish it would snow. I want to move to Chicago. In Chicago you can walk into any store and get all the Sucrets you want. All the boys at school are yucky. I want to go to Chicago and meet a nice handsome boy and take Sucrets with him. My teachers assign too much homework.

the pinefox, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Further extracts from MR PINEFOX ENTERS THE ZONE to follow (I sincerely trust...)

mark s, Sunday, 8 July 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

A friend of mine was telling me today about how, when she was working in a convent in Kenya, one of the little boys she was looking after was called Hillary Clinton, that was his first name. She said that sometimes the people there really liked the sound of english words and would name children after them, so there were children with names like Pressurecooker and Birthcontrol.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I was going to ask how people rated Hillary as Secretary of State but knowing that somewhere in Kenya is a young boy named Birthcontrol has distracted me somewhat

Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

slightly less obnoxious/obsequious than Condi

modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 16:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

No second term as SOS or presidential run

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/clinton-running-for-president/

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm a bit surprised about no run for the nomination. Whatever happens in 2012, I thought she'd be in good position for '16. She'd be 69, same age as that old guy who won. I know a lot of people love her no matter what, and a lot of other people hate her no matter what, but I think I'm fairly representative of people who couldn't stand her through the '08 campaign but who've come around since then. (If she had run, I probably could have learned to not-stand-her all over again.)

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

part of the problem

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Me or Hillary? Let me guess--both.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

no; like me, you don't matter!

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

All right--pressure's off!

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

do you think hillary would get significant support from former obama supporters who now think she'd have made a better president in the first place? (subquestion - does anyone think she would have?)

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think she would have ended up almost exactly like Obama tbh; they were always more similar than they were different.

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think she would have got a fair amount of support from Obama '08 supporters because of the way she's conducted herself since she lost. (The three or four weeks where she slowly came to terms with having lost were surreal--remember them well.) If I explain any further, Morbius and other people will jump on, and this'll become another ridicule-Obama thread.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have no idea what kind of country will have left Obama's successor in 2012 (if he loses), let alone 2016, but I'm pretty sure I don't want HRC leading it.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

*Obama will have left his successor

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

*jumps on clemenza*

kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

in 2016 it will be called President of Thunderdome btw

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

she will run in '16

in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

she will be 69 in 2016

buzza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

will she still be "making change"?

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The former U.S. secretary of state begins her Twitter bio with "Wife, mom."

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Well that's very kind, but I am doing what I want to do right now and I have no intention or any idea even of running again - 2011

reliably bad liar

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:53 (two years ago) Permalink

Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.

― mark s, Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:00 PM (14 years ago)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JYEe9GZbEVY/VvYaJnQLcsI/AAAAAAADCAg/wr3x9KLtTzs/s640/blogger-image--825882656.jpg

Mordy, Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:57 (two years ago) Permalink

throngs of well-wishers begged her to run again and she stoically agreed to once again mount the rostrum and humbly offer her leadership to the nation -- this has been the storyline ever since George Washington

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:58 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

fb friend (lefty, as in just left his Dem Party registration for indie):

"The most pertinent fact likely to be overlooked in this extraordinarily troubling report is the following: neither the Secretary nor her top aides consented to be interviewed by the Inspector General of the very department of government they had been entrusted with running."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:09 (two years ago) Permalink

A terrible attack on the only person that can possibly prevent the biggest threat to humanity since.....whatever the last thing was in american politics twonk circles

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:18 (two years ago) Permalink

Nixon fans loved to say "They all did it."

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:27 (two years ago) Permalink

The election thread is like a convention of mob lawyers this afternoon :)

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:31 (two years ago) Permalink

each party has its lemmings. it's a beautiful thing.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:32 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh its like a lemmin party alright

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:36 (two years ago) Permalink

dr morbius sounding a lot like the sort of person who lives by the movie 'fight club'

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:52 (two years ago) Permalink

When life hands you lemmings, make lemmingaid.

putting the laughter in manslaughter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:29 (two years ago) Permalink

omg deems

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:30 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

What do folks make of the Clinton Foundation stuff, and is there anything especially good to read on it? It continues to smell fishy to me even where many of their other "scandals" don't.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:53 (two years ago) Permalink

You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 23 November 2018 01:12 (two months ago) Permalink

You're not even sharing popular centrist garbage, do you actually follow these weirdos or do you just search for whatever is mentioned on ILX to find Twitter backup?

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:49 (two months ago) Permalink

what

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 23 November 2018 01:52 (two months ago) Permalink

"we came, we saw, he died" was a horrible and unbelievably tone-deaf thing to say

even putting aside whether libya was a good idea or whether it was appropriate for someone in clinton's position to publicly crow like that over the death of anyone, it is not a great look for someone who's just participated in a military intervention to start paraphrasing julius caesar

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:57 (two months ago) Permalink

There is a case that this bottleneck century (overpopulation + climate change + global poor outbid for calories + refugee flows that dwarf current ones) will offer a fertile ground for nationalist demagoguery and outright fascism throughout the developed world. It's a huge risk for liberal freedoms and social welfare systems. The demographic and food security projections are really dire. Military scenario planners have been using phrases like "lifeboat Britain" since the early aughts, and from public comments I'm certain that leaders like Macron have gotten their lifeboat ethics briefing.

So, I won't fault HRC for this tweet. At some point, one does the math on UN population projections and FAO food security indicators and climate change effects on crop yields and one hopes to not live to see the other side of the historical equation.

Sanpaku, Friday, 23 November 2018 02:09 (two months ago) Permalink

please hillary just go away

calstars, Friday, 23 November 2018 02:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Can we be shitty to the Bush daughters now? Or Ivanka? Because that fruit is so low I think I grew balls.

Yerac, Friday, 23 November 2018 02:38 (two months ago) Permalink

the only thing worse than hillary clinton is people talking about hillary clinton

macropuente (map), Friday, 23 November 2018 02:42 (two months ago) Permalink

you don't have to ask

flappy bird, Friday, 23 November 2018 04:02 (two months ago) Permalink

Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising
— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:28 PM (three hours ago)

what in the shit is your deal exactly

k3vin k., Friday, 23 November 2018 04:24 (two months ago) Permalink

is he gabbn3b?

21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 23 November 2018 04:25 (two months ago) Permalink

You people are dumb

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 November 2018 04:31 (two months ago) Permalink

You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:12 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What're you even talking about, you massive weapon

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 05:04 (two months ago) Permalink

Not to be all 'no you're the know-it-alls' but Hillary is talking about Europe, and as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya. Except Italy, but nobody really cares about Italy either. This whole discussion is kinda besides the point.

Frederik B, Friday, 23 November 2018 08:54 (two months ago) Permalink

nobody really cares about Italy either

ok then

groovemaaan, Friday, 23 November 2018 08:55 (two months ago) Permalink

The refugee "crisis" has never been about one incident or one group of people as far as I can tell but hey maybe if the US and its client states had bombed Syria a bit more we wouldn't be having this problem

Mama Weer All Tankee Now (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 November 2018 09:12 (two months ago) Permalink

ah yes the 20th century when poor ppl finally knew hunger

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Friday, 23 November 2018 09:24 (two months ago) Permalink

The big crisis that has kinda brought Merkel down was a specific group in summer 2015, sorta like a 'refugee caravan' in US terms. They were from Syria, and they play the biggest role in the European imagination. That's when a Hungarian journalist kicked a refugee, when Sweden closed it's borders, when people were walking on Danish highways, etc.

Frederik B, Friday, 23 November 2018 09:25 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah even viggo got involved iirc

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Friday, 23 November 2018 09:51 (two months ago) Permalink

as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya.

Often imitated, never duplicated.

gyac, Friday, 23 November 2018 09:59 (two months ago) Permalink

It's hard out their for the progeny of America's power elite families, amazed she got past 20 tbh.

― calzino

i still sometimes think about what the butthole surfers did to amy carter

dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 23 November 2018 14:16 (two months ago) Permalink

As a sock placed over someone's hand with buttons for eyes, I think Freddie B speaks eloquently for all of Europe.

Three Word Username, Friday, 23 November 2018 16:29 (two months ago) Permalink

there is no way fred b is a sockpuppet come on

Trϵϵship, Friday, 23 November 2018 18:20 (two months ago) Permalink

no way, it's tuomas creating an insufferable danish sockpuppet to forward his fervent finnish nationalism

21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 23 November 2018 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

this is the first explanation that really makes sense when you think about it

j., Friday, 23 November 2018 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

i mean, danish highways, come on

j., Friday, 23 November 2018 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

i am on some good cough syrup and i am LUCID

21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 23 November 2018 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

now that i see the motive it's beginning to make sense.

but how high does it go?

Trϵϵship, Friday, 23 November 2018 18:33 (two months ago) Permalink

well finland is super egalitarian so probably not very high

j., Friday, 23 November 2018 18:35 (two months ago) Permalink

how wide does it go?

Trϵϵship, Friday, 23 November 2018 18:35 (two months ago) Permalink

as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya.

this appeared in the best-selling newspaper in britain

https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/2851536/thumbs/o-AXELROD-570.jpg

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 18:38 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIy3n2b7V9k

Trϵϵship, Friday, 23 November 2018 18:38 (two months ago) Permalink

xp. also Spain is the largest recipient of African refugees in Europe. I suppose no one cares about them either, same as Italy. I mean neither of them are Denmark

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 18:56 (two months ago) Permalink

in fairness it is true that the US doesn't really care about the welfare of the ppl in the countries it bombs

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 November 2018 19:02 (two months ago) Permalink

in fairness, the greatest eagerness to bomb Libya was among European leaders and the campaign was carried out by several NATO members, not just the US.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 November 2018 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, nobody cares about Spain either. Nor Greece, btw.

Frederik B, Friday, 23 November 2018 19:07 (two months ago) Permalink

there was plenty of enthusiasm for bombing libya coming from the subject of this thread

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 November 2018 19:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Fred Ving

https://youtu.be/PyM4uAJBujA

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 November 2018 19:47 (two months ago) Permalink

xp

I was addressing the implication that the US was the sole participant in the bombing of Libya. I already acknowledged that within the Obama administration, HRC was the most enthusiastic proponent of that bombing. She certainly has a share of the responsibility, but she was by no means alone and was incapable of dropping a single bomb on Libya through her own orders. Those orders came from more than one head of state, who, by rights also share the greatest responsibility.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 November 2018 19:52 (two months ago) Permalink

There’s no implication there besides the argument only you’re seeing. Nobody said she was solely responsible. Maybe you could address the actual points made now?

gyac, Friday, 23 November 2018 19:58 (two months ago) Permalink

When one goes through the Sydney Blumenthal emails and Seymour Hersh's reportage, the impression one gets is that the Benghazi insurgency was 100% Sarkozy's doing in Fall 2010, Cameron joined in March 2011 out of European unity, and the main push for US involvement was Samantha Powers ("Rwanda, never again"), with much of State dubious. There wasn't a US military involvement until the Benghazi militia displayed their incompetence, retreated, and French and British bombers were already enroute. I can only infer that the main reason for any US participation is the long held consensus that the US should discourage any independent European foreign policy.

Even then, the US never bothered sending a carrier group, just a small amphibious group that could do traffic control, pilot search-and-rescue, and deliver a handful of SpecOps types. France/UK outweighed the US in sorties and tonnage, but the US sent a couple hundred cruise missiles from the naval group.

Sanpaku, Friday, 23 November 2018 20:02 (two months ago) Permalink

I see this point I have not specifically addressed:

the US doesn't really care about the welfare of the ppl in the countries it bombs

All I can say is that this is such a gross oversimplification that it is not worth addressing in any detail.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 November 2018 20:08 (two months ago) Permalink

did you wear a MAGA hat while you typed that?

groovemaaan, Friday, 23 November 2018 20:12 (two months ago) Permalink

gee, do you complain about how conservatives oversimplify complex issues and progressives are so much smarter because they analyze problems in greater depth and include more factors? And do you complain about how conservatives carry on political conversations by quickly reducing them to name calling and taunts as an illegitimate way to assert a non-existent superiority?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 November 2018 20:24 (two months ago) Permalink

oh fuck off, aimless

you can quit being ilx's own version of william f buckley any time now

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 November 2018 23:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Aimless has never molested anyone on a yacht, I'm sure.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 24 November 2018 00:47 (one month ago) Permalink

ppl who get mad at aimless, eesh

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 November 2018 00:49 (one month ago) Permalink

I said one of his posts was nearly content free, so of course he's mad at me.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 24 November 2018 00:52 (one month ago) Permalink

I was posting about Chelsea's teeth and it isn't sexist because for starters the Clintons aren't even human beings.

― calzino, Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:15 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

clean hit

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 29 November 2018 04:17 (one month ago) Permalink


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