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weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 April 2004 11:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

uh classic btw

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 April 2004 11:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Funniness outweighed by annoyingness. That English woman who can't even do an English accent - AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGHHHH!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 April 2004 11:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

very annoyingly unfunny!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 April 2004 11:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's all about Niles. I love Niles.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like the Dad......... and his dog

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Pre Niles and Daphne getting it on = classic classic classic. The episode in the log cabin with the gay skiing instructor and all the running in and out of different rooms = the pinnacle of US sitcom.

Generally after Niles and Daphne getting it on = dud, especially when the sentimental stuff began to outweigh the perfectly-formed farcical setpieces. Plus no Bulldog, which didn't help.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Daphne's faux-Manc accent was okay, especially for us Southerners. It was her Cockney-but-still-from-Manchester Dick van Dyke brother who really sucked.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

She does have a very strange accent. I believe the actress is from London, but they changed Daphne's accent to Mancunian because "American's wouldn't understand a London accent" (?!) Thing is, I seem to remember she was Northern in Seinfeld too.

Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Dadaismus, know your (hybrid) Northern accents.

Barima (Barima), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Her Manc accent is awful, even I could do a better one than that

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Less accent nitpicking, more more enthusing on the radio jingle episode NOW.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

matt dc pretty much otm re: frasier's jumping of shark. also tiredness in too many episodes concluding in the same fashion, ie frasier chasing smartly dressed prospective partner who has taken offence at something and saying "it wasn't my fault" or something similar in his usual buffoon-like manner. also (as i said on the friends thread) putting them in bizarre new situations like the marice murder thing to eke out a bit more humour (and failing)

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic classic. You see it coming a mile off, but still I watch and watch. Favourite episode - they're all the same! DYS

The series leading up to Niles and Daphne hitting it off was brilliant. By the end, I wanted them to get it on, but knew that the whole was that it shouldn't happen, comedy wise, but being a romantic fule, was v pleased when they eloped.

Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The shark-jumping is key, but I'll be damned if I said I never wanted to see Niles and Daphne together. I've never really liked the dad, however. Or his fricking dog.

Barima (Barima), Friday, 23 April 2004 12:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I still remember Frasier's classic line: "but I went to Harvard. When I'm wrong, the world makes a little less sense".

When it's clever, it's great. But I don't like all that running in and out and jumping into the wrong beds crap. I want word play, goddammit.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 23 April 2004 15:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Search: the leap year episode, with horny Niles, Daphne's haircut and Frazer preparing to sing opera. Also the one where it was revealed that when piqued, the young Crane twins would stomp to their room, put on Vivaldi and play air violin.

The silent episode closers were often an interesting formalism.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i wrote an article about frasier once called "tossed salads and scrambled ids"

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think Roz--is that spelled right?-- is pretty hot.

I find it so annoying and wrong, yet I watch it. It comes on before "Becker" which is also annoying and wrong...

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love Frasier, though when they pull the slapstick comedy of errors stuff sometimes it can get a little irritating, even though it is always done well (maybe I just dont like that kind of funny)

Daphne's brother was played by Anthony LaPaglia wasnt he? He'd be bound to sound inauthentic - he's an Australian who's been in LA far too long!

Saw an ep (new?) recently I hadnt seen before. They had new downstairs neighbour who was effectively a black Frasier and they were at loggerheads but acting exactly like each other. Very well done, it was.

I agree on it being more schmaltzy since the Niles/Daphne wedding tho.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lordy, they actually hooked up? What did Maris think?

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He divorced her ages ago! Havent you been paying attention! ;P

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously not! I only watched it briefly in syndication. Oh, poor Maris. She was pretty hott, from what I can remember.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Slightly hotter than Vera.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 04:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, when did they ever *show* Maris? Or are you taking the piss? ;)

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 04:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Minna hates Frasier because it has scrambled eggs in the song and she hates eggs. She also might hate it because it is bad.

Nellie (nellskies), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 04:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

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Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 05:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

SEARCH episode where old friend of dad Crane and deceased mum Crane comes to visit, and everybody starts suspecting he's had an affair with mum Crane because he's so much like Frasier and Niles, but in the end just turns out to be gay!

Hanna (Hanna), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 06:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I second Trayce - the joke was surely that Maris was more menacing as a person we never see?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 07:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, we haven't shown enough love for Peri 'Roz' Gilpin!

Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I saw Maris and Vera (Norm's wife) hanging out at a sushi bar once. HOTT.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

s: the one where they lez up

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was so pissed off when I found out that 'The Norm Show' wasn't another 'Cheers' spin-off.

Last evs Frasier next Thursday. Anybody still care?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i can't imagine anyone in the world does

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 9 May 2004 04:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Roz is the hottest! The rest of 'em can fly a fuckin' kite.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 9 May 2004 05:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Waitamo... Frasier is finishing!? Why isn't it getting the love the fucking end of Friends got????

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 9 May 2004 06:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Frasier is a horrible horrible show.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 9 May 2004 06:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Saw an ep (new?) recently I hadnt seen before. They had new downstairs neighbour who was effectively a black Frasier and they were at loggerheads but acting exactly like each other. Very well done, it was.

That's from a few series back.

Peri Gilpin is worthy of much love, and I can only imagine how horrible it would have been if Lisa Kudrow (the original choice to play Roz) had got the part.

I think I'm maybe the only person saddened that Frasier is finishing, and who doesn't think it's gone downhill since Niles and Daphne got married. However, I am extremely glad that they have rounded Daphne's character out more and stopped with all the kooky psychic shite.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Roz = sexy and loose = HUBBA HUBBA!

Johnney B, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Her Manc accent is awful, even I could do a better one than that.

Me too. Oh, hold on, I'm from Manchester.

The guy who plays Frasier's dad was born in Manchester too you know. Like rain on your wedding day, innit?

JimD (JimD), Sunday, 9 May 2004 10:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic... I've largely seen earlier episodes, i.e. virtually all the first series on Paramount some time back, and odd episodes from other seasons.

The situation and characters were great; got to love John Mahoney's wonderfully contrasting performance to the brothers; and of course the brotherly relationship between Niles and Frasier... Good to see a US sitcom focusing on such untypical Americans; pompous, pedantic and very likeable as well. Quite a feat.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 May 2004 15:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

SEARCH episode where old friend of dad Crane and deceased mum Crane comes to visit, and everybody starts suspecting he's had an affair with mum Crane because he's so much like Frasier and Niles, but in the end just turns out to be gay!

great episode, old friend was played by David Ogden Stiers iirc. I even like the show after Daphne/Niles hookup. I wasn't a fan of the show until it was almost over, catching up in syndication; i already know I don't much like the relatively hackneyed first few years.

tremendoid, Thursday, 31 January 2008 07:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

never cared for the show when it was on, but i've been watching it a lot in syndication lately. the frasier/niles interplay is classic stuff.

get bent, Thursday, 31 January 2008 08:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

i just wish niles and frasier wouldn't start running in circles flapping their hands every 5 minutes. otherwise classic.

sunny successor, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh and frasiers ex with the man voice always wearing really REALLY short dresses was kind of wrong too.

sunny successor, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

Lol, British people love Frasier. I spent NYE'98 at a B&B in York watching a Frasier marathon on BBC2.

jaymc, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://flickr.com/photos/daychokesnight/557439779/

dan m, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

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joygoat, Friday, 1 February 2008 00:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

This show is like Three's Company with psychiatrists.

Abbott, Friday, 1 February 2008 19:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

I love Frasier, but all the actors playing English characters are fucking hopeless

Ste, Saturday, 2 February 2008 08:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah that’s def why cheers is one of the greatest of all time - all the characters have multiple dimensions and they all play off each other in endlessly interesting ways

god i love that show

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

i rewatched all of frasier over the last 9 months. it was pretty heavy going at times, season 7 and after are excruciatingly bad at times, though with a little bit of an upward trend in quality in the last 2 seasons (i think they changed show-runners or something).

i understand why they changed the character of frasier so much, they wanted to give the show a completely separate identity and they succeeded. it is a little jarring though. frasier's aversion to going anywhere blue-collar with his dad after spending a decade drinking in a bar doesn't make a ton of sense for instance (although they do have an episode where nostalgic for cheers frasier starts frequenting daphne's british local).

I've started rewatching cheers. only a few episodes in so far but i imagine it will be a more enjoyable endeavor.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:09 (ten months ago) Permalink

Cheers has a bigger cast and no redundant characters, whereas Martin and Daphne are boring, and Roz doesn't get enough good material, so it's basically Frasier and Niles and that's it. Also Frasier feels very 90s whereas Cheers feels timeless. Also fuckin' Ted Danson and Shelley Long, man.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

daphne is a bit of a dud of a character but i think martin and roz are good and have plenty of good material - though the jokes about roz's promiscuity get old fairly quickly, they do thankfully move away from that a little

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

never really got into cheers (went on far too long too)

liked frasier better for the most part

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

though i love ted dansen

he's probably one of the only older actors that can still make me laugh

whereas like i never want to see anyone from frasier do anything again

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

never really got into cheers (went on far too long too)

liked frasier better for the most part


If only Cheers had made exactly 11 fewer episodes it would have been okay

Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

Martin is kinda the co-lead in season 1 for a while. Then Niles clearly becomes the breakout character. But to begin with, it's Frasier and Martin arguing, and then the son runs around and discusses his problems with a variety of supporting characters.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

when things switch to niles and daphne everything just falls apart

and niles' acting pretty much tanked after season 7 or whatever it was

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

they get together at the end of 7 - which is a bad enough season on its own - the next couple of seasons are terrible.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:40 (ten months ago) Permalink

my impression from the internet/Twitter/memes/Buzzfeed is that younger audiences are way more fired up about this show than Cheers. Which might just be an age thing (they were kids when it was on so they're nostalgic for it), but like do a search for Buzzfeed + Frasier and it's kind of astonishing how much millennial reverence there is for this show

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

cheers is practically prehistoric for young millennials tbh.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:08 (ten months ago) Permalink

This is otm in my experience. Frasier one of those shows that everyone I know saw at least once in a while, like Friends or Seinfeld or Will & Grace. Cheers is like the Cosby Show or All In the Family, not something you'd see.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

i mean it's subjective but cheers just feels from a completely different time to me and i'm not exactly young anymore

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

millennial Frasier reverence seems like a combination of semi-ironic, mofo w/some dark secrets type stuff and genuine affection for the show? Frasier Crane more relatable to a specific millennial self-image than rest of the Cheers gang - he's over-educated and self-analytical but still hapless weirdo, and his minor celebrity and obsession with how he comes across to his audience makes is like a 90s version of mid-level social media fame

soref, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:54 (ten months ago) Permalink

that's brilliant and probably spot on soref

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

he's also always horny and lonely which i think people online can relate with

khat person (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:00 (ten months ago) Permalink

that's a good explanation of it soref

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

he and Niles are both kind of stuck in a permanent adolescence, have never really become 'proper' adults like Martin, which feels like another bit of millennial angst (and adults tend revert back to their childhood self in some ways when around parents and siblings, so the fact he's always with Martin and Niles accentuates this?)

soref, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

not sure i agree with that completely

iirc they blame martin for almost all their shortcomings in the first 2/3 of the entire show?

martin comments on their being momma's boys so that seems pretty evident

the twist is that martin took some of the blame to cover up their mom's i guess let's call it failures

and the brothers see their father as a better parent and themselves as bad sons later on in the show

the comedic side to it is that they can't help from being a bunch of babies and seek complex explanations to problems martin ends up explaining simply but almost brutishly

infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

millennial Frasier reverence seems like a combination of semi-ironic, mofo w/some dark secrets type stuff and genuine affection for the show? Frasier Crane more relatable to a specific millennial self-image than rest of the Cheers gang - he's over-educated and self-analytical but still hapless weirdo, and his minor celebrity and obsession with how he comes across to his audience makes is like a 90s version of mid-level social media fame

this is 10/10

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

def understand why Cheers might seem prehistoric to youngsters, am 42 and the show was just ending when I hit 17 or so. Thank god for Channel 4 reruns.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 09:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

Frasier is a boomer sort, so are we saying it scans for milennials bcz this is what their dreams might be? Steady well paid job, gorgeous flat, maid taking good care of parent, etc. I wouldn't say relatable.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

Mainly due to this article which named it the best xmas special of all time, i watched the Miracle On 3rd Or 4th Street episode from Season 1 again a few weeks back; still one of the very best sitcom things i've ever seen, not a syllable out of place.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/christmas/38292/top-100-christmas-tv-episodes-of-all-time-20-1

piscesx, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

please to have a top ten sitcoms that never featured an xmas episode but should have. My number one would be Young Ones.

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

Fawlty Towers

piscesx, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

Thread inspired I've been going through some of the higher rated ones (seen the complete show quite some time ago). They really hold up great. When they were good, they were really, really good.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

I toyed with the idea of rating every single episode but that’s just a whole other level of commitment i wasn’t willing to take on

I usually don’t like (TV) shows anyway so

infinity (∞), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:44 (ten months ago) Permalink

I recently rewatched the Patrick Stewart episode - it's another variation on the "everyone thinks Frasier is gay" gag - it's a really funny episode, about gay panic without succumbing to it.

Also watched the Michael Keaton story (conman in a wheelchair) which was a little lame.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:46 (ten months ago) Permalink

Seasons 1 to 3 are mostly classic. Tailed off badly after that and a lot of it is unwatchable (given what came before).

millmeister, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:54 (ten months ago) Permalink

xp yeah that's a fantastic ep with Stewart

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

I watched all of them a couple of years ago and can't remember the Patrick Stewart one or the Christmas one!

kinder, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:08 (ten months ago) Permalink

there's a christmas episode in most seasons of frasier.

there is also a millennium episode (where martin keeps quoting austin powers)

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also watched the Michael Keaton story (conman in a wheelchair) which was a little lame.

ISWYDT

Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

thinking of big name guest stars, I love the one with Derek Jacobi as the hammy Shakespearean actor (that from pretty late in the shows run as well iirc?)

soref, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah, season 8 iirc.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

(conman in a wheelchair)


i know, i know, it’s really serious

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

"Her lips said No, but her eyes said read my lips"

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

Just started rewatching this from episode one after finishing Cheers, and it’s such a jarring, unwelcome transition. It’s impressive how quickly the show distanced itself from its predecessor, but the changes to Frasier’s character and temperament are so harsh. Weird to imagine what viewers must have thought at the time

― Evan R, Monday, January 8, 2018 8:06 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is pretty much OTM. I watched Cheers while it was airing (old) and tried Frasier for a while but it just felt like a wan and overly-manic AfterCheers to me.

Also the cultural products of one's childhood and adolescence will always be the best and most important so there's really nothing to be gained from arguing these things with someone from a different generation, I find.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

Which is to say it's only right and natural that millennials prefer Frasier to Cheers.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

(Millennials, let me know if you need me to explain what AfterCheers is in reference to.)

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

did anybody ever actually watch this? i only heard of it recently via AV Club.

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piscesx, Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

Afterglow?

Frederik B, Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

picesx got it. And given that it lasted two seasons and there were only three things to watch on TV at the time, I guess people must have watched it.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

The decision has been made to cancel AfterM*A*S*H after the most recent episode was viewed by a paltry 63 million people.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 13:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

Was the Radar pilot ever screened? I feel like I watched it on a dodgy realplayer stream from a MASH fan-site one time in the 90s, but perhaps I am imagining things.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:05 (ten months ago) Permalink

Wow, I had no idea that was a thing. And it's apparently not even called Radar but rather W*A*L*T*E*R. It's a shame that the non-Trapper John spin-offs tanked and we never got to see H*A*W*K*E*Y*E*P*I*E*R*C*E.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

I pity the fool...

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

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— Goth Ms. Frizzle (@spookperson) June 16, 2018

Stanley Therapy (stevie), Saturday, 16 June 2018 23:08 (four months ago) Permalink


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