"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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"Oh, Whispers of the Wolf was pretty scary, eh, kids? With all those faces and moods, and they were depressed a lot, weren't they, kids? You don't think it's scary to be depressed all the time?"

alan r. banana (alanbanana), Saturday, 10 April 2004 15:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hahhaha i love him!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 10 April 2004 15:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN INGMAR BERGMAN FILM

(how many hail mary's is that?)

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 19:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

holy moley!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 10 April 2004 19:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i know: rainy day(s), etc.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 10 April 2004 20:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

AMateurist I'll never trust anything you say regarding film ever again!

I would say that Wild Strawberries is far from depressing.

The one about God being a spider is a bit depressing. Cries and Whispers is certainly quite depressing.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 10 April 2004 21:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So?

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's some shitty Peter Gabriel album.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 10 April 2004 22:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fanny and Alexander is absolutely uplifting!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

what's the one about the two women and there's some creepy incest subtext?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

or maybe just fucking underage boys?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i felt like i had been beaten with sticks after that particular film class.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think they all have two women and a creepy incest subtext.

I think the one you are thinking about has a mother and her son waiting around in some hotel room or something? The mother is waiting for a phone call from the other woman. Then the boy sees a tank roll through the streets. The end.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Silence is what it is called. I just checked.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 10 April 2004 23:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that's the one that dreyer didn't like

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 11 April 2004 12:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Watching bergman is depressing in a good way. I think "A Passion" may be the greatest film of all time. "Scenes from a Marriage": I pretty well cried all through the first half; and saw it twice more in a row.

Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 11 April 2004 14:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

or maybe just fucking underage boys?

That's Persona.

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude in crowd: "but where is the hope?"
bela tarr: "the hope is that you see this film."

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 11 April 2004 19:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
aaaargh

who wrote the famous piece about not-interviewing bergman?

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ive seen 4, i dont like him

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think Bergman is great, one of teh greatest filmakers ever. I usually like comedies and stupid movies, but I love his stuff for drama and for its weirdness. I guess being something of a depressive myself, I see myself in some of the characters. Great stuff, especially winter light and the hour of teh wolf

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Smiles of a Summer Night is hilarious.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink


Now in English:

http://www.ingmarbergman.se/

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I wonder if amateurist ever fixed the Bergman blind side?

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Bergman is the opposite of John Waters when it comes to appreciating anyone else's films. Dude hates everything.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 17:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but didn't he admit to liking "Dallas"?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm sure it was in the context of bashing Sirk or something.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 21:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When I was 12 I tried to get a sense of superiority by watching the Ingmar Bergman "weekend" on Channel 4... I got through the first ten minutes of the one where the women are looking for a boy named "Ake" (what is that one?)...

I decided in the end that "The Fast Show" just starting on BBC2 would be more valuable for me culture-wise..... Meh.......

JTS (JTS), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
S: What about Bellocchio? Have you seen China Is Near?
B: Terrible, terrible, very homosexual, very artificial, aggressive in a very empty way.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

bergman's a pretty famous homophobe, oddly enough.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Even when the film is done, there is no-one I can show it to who gives his sincere opinion. There is silence.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

bergman's a pretty famous homophobe, oddly enough.

that's disappointing.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

So is Bergman as a human being.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Another great couple of examples of the strength of American cinema is American Beauty and Magnolia." - Interview with Jan Aghed in the Swedish daily newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet (May 2002)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that's not so outlandish.

i don't know, bergman having occasionally questionable taste is something i don't care too much about, it's bergman recklessly insulting other filmmakers that seems a bit gauche. also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

leaving aside his being a misogynist nazi for a moment, simon's balking at the supposed obscurantism of godard is sort of weird considering his idea of the apogee of cinema is...ingmar bergman's "persona."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

on orson welles:

"For me he's just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of— is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the weird part of that quote is him specifying that he has a copy of it - imagine having a copy of citizen kane!!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what he doesn't say is that it's a VCD.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

He doesn't look very glamorous in that link.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

TS: Ingrid Bergman vs. Ingmar Bergman

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

funny how she actually ended up in one of his films! i guess they were tired of folks making that joke...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

amateurist, did you get around to seeing any ingmar films? what d'you think?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

HE DIRECTS FILMS OF COURSE HE'S A BIG WEIRD ASSHOLE

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

though I love the religious trilogy.

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

RIP :-(

Hanna, Monday, 30 July 2007 08:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wow that trailer is nuts. is the dubbed version actually a different cut? I prefer Summer Interlude, though I like Monika more than SMOASN, which I thought really dragged (108 minutes feels long for him).

flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:24 (four months ago) Permalink

yes, it was scissored down by an American hustler and dubbed with what sounds like a completely different script.

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/2317-monika-the-story-of-a-bad-girl

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 16:28 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Centennial day on Saturday, and afaik no films showing in New York.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Watch the TV version of Fanny and Alexander at home.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:19 (one month ago) Permalink

saw Thirst projected last night, fourth out of the 30 Bergman movies my local art house will be showing over the next two years. Really strange movie, didn't really cohere in the end, but such a great performance by Eva Henning. I was struck by the opening title sequence, so flamboyant for him! reminded me of a Hitchcock opening. Interesting use of (very loud) sound, and modular synths (!). Worth checking out if you have the chance, only 84 minutes.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:49 (one month ago) Permalink

The 1940s and 1950s movies are currently playing at the National Gallery of Art (DC). The subsequent movies will be playing at the AFI Silver (Silver Spring, MD) later this year. I'm planning on going to this weekend's screenings; will any other ILXors be there?

Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:51 (one month ago) Permalink

was thinking of going to the Wild Strawberries 35mm screening this month but the retro here is probably going to play it in the fall (DCP though).

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:32 (one month ago) Permalink

or should say I assume it'll be DCP. who knows

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Ingmar Bergman's films are utterly depressing imo

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

I know, great aren't they?

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Fanny and Alexander is the only one that has terrified me and I have no desire to revisit it any time soon. All of his other work I've seen (15 films) is utterly life-affirming & inspiring obv.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:46 (one month ago) Permalink

neither library system within my reach carries the F&A TV version

i will have to wait for the Brooklyn video store to reopen at our downtown Alamo Drafthouse

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:06 (one month ago) Permalink

I found Wild Strawberries (on 35mm, FWIW) soporific. Crisis and It Rains on Our Love are straight-up melodramas, and all the better for it.

(BTW, this is certainly about me, not you, but when I hear the term "life-affirming" in association with any film, I reach for...whatever this libbiest lib that ever libbed would substitute for for a revolver.)

Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:39 (one month ago) Permalink

A flower iirc

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:40 (one month ago) Permalink

xp yea it is overused. and really what I mean by that is they give me an enormous amount of contagious creativity. I leave his movies with electricity surging thru me.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:41 (one month ago) Permalink

but j.lu, Bergman isn't fully Bergman in those early films.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Perhaps, but if there's one thing I've learned from ILM, it's that preferring an artist's early and harder-to-find work is a GREAT contrarian play. (Serious? I don't even know any more.)

Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 19:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I'll reiterate what I said about Thirst upthread, it's definitely worth checking out because it's not quite the straight melodrama of Crisis or Port of Call but there's still more "plot," jumbled as it is. Can't overstate how strange the sound is in that movie.

flappy bird, Thursday, 12 July 2018 01:18 (one month ago) Permalink

The NGA has scheduled Thirst and Prison for 7/22. I'm planning on going (and smuggling in a stash of chocolate-covered espresso beans, in case sleepiness strikes).

Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:59 (one month ago) Permalink

I've seen nearly all of the 1950-1982 Bergmans now, most on big screen, and have decided that Hour of the Wolf has the most interesting soundtrack. Modernist music from Lars Johan Werle, who also did the music in Persona.

Josefa, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:21 (one month ago) Permalink

not one of his strongest movies, though

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I think it has some of his best but also some of his most ill-advised (even goofy) scenes in it

Josefa, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:25 (one month ago) Permalink

wow, hope that's eligible in the usual November half price sale

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:51 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't need to own all those. (which is how i feel about films in general)

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Hoooooooooooooooooly shit

Yeah I hope I can get that 50% off. I already own ~11 of these but fuck it, there are very few filmmakers (artists, even) that I would shell out for like this. Really excited. I’ve held off on getting any of the films not on Blu-Ray & I don’t own the Eclipse series so this is a real treat, can’t wait.

flappy bird, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Too rich for my blood, even at 50% off, so I’m really hoping that some of the more obscure titles will be made available for individual rental on iTunes and whatnot (not even gonna bother trying to pester my library to get this).

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Filmstruck has all the features in that set except A Ship to India, Brink of Life, Färo Document, The Touch, The Serpent's Egg, After the Rehearsal and Saraband. But for everything on blu, plus the supplements and shorts and book, I'll def shell out $150 if I can get it at that price. I don't own any Bergman on disc, so I won't be duplicating anything.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Can't believe everyone is making such a big deal about a hundred-year-old ventriloquist.

Sgt. Laughter (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 July 2018 00:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I capitulated, unwisely.

Simon H., Friday, 13 July 2018 00:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Are box sets like this typically excluded from their sale? I remember getting the Cassavetes & Tati boxes during the sale last year, but those are 5 or 6 films each, not 39 (!)

Was the Olympics box excluded?

flappy bird, Friday, 13 July 2018 00:32 (one month ago) Permalink

I watched The Best Intentions on Amazon last week, my first screening since 1994 (on PBS!) so this one might as well count as a first.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 July 2018 00:34 (one month ago) Permalink

The July sale is still ongoing, and the Olympic box is down from $399 to $199, so this should definitely be available. Really glad I didn't finally pick up Persona last week, even though it was near the top of my list...

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Friday, 13 July 2018 20:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Ingmar Bergman tried to live in LA for a summer but as soon as Barbra Streisand called to invite him to a pool party he was on the next plane back to Sweden lmao pic.twitter.com/5tlmrBK2y4

— Lauren Wilford (@lauren_wilford) July 17, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

idk I'd wanna hang out with Barbra drinking limoncello by the pool

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:55 (four weeks ago) Permalink

lol yeah i remember reading that story somewhere else, IB had one of his nervous breakdowns after that phone call and left immediately

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I watched Bergman Island just a couple of days ago and he tells that story in passing.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:20 (four weeks ago) Permalink

no doubt Ingrid would've preferred to stay.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

why?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:59 (four weeks ago) Permalink

pretty sure Barbra was a better poolside companion than Liv + Ingmar.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

(and yes, yes, I know how much she wanted to work with him)

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:01 (four weeks ago) Permalink

we're clear that "Ingrid" is Bergman's fifth and last wife, right?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:03 (four weeks ago) Permalink

(not the other Ingrid Bergman)

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I thought it was Ingrid the actress before production of Autumn Sonata.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

when did he take that brief stab at living in LA? mid or late 70s?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

76?

I like this line (from Mel Brooks apparently): "When Bergman left Sweden he complained about the persecution, the metaphysical anguish, the impossibility of realizing himself as an artist, the impotence created by the welfare state, the creeping Big Brotherism of the state ... When he left California three weeks later, he complained about the heat."

Dan S, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:08 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That was '75, as per the photo of him posing with the Jaws mechanical shark (postrelease). So likely too early for Autumn Sonata (and I don't think IB the actress wd've been into a summer of rehearsals).

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:11 (four weeks ago) Permalink

In fact I'm pretty sure I read in Images that when production started on Sonata Ingmar's attitude was "What the hell is she doing?"

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

IB did not like direct sunlight! He was perfectly clear about this in interviews. There's no way he could've existed in LA, Babs or no Babs,

Josefa, Thursday, 19 July 2018 04:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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