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i'm catching up tonight - me and m'lady gonna watch the first three (HBO In Demand, baby!). Noticed there's no thread. Gonna check back in here after I watch and see what yall think so far.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 April 2004 00:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the first 2 were brilliant, the 3rd was a bit weak, but I also don't like Powers Booth.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:37 (fifteen years ago) link

What is it about?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

ok, just watched the first one - fuckin' great. Aside from a few glaring anachronisms (the 'thumbs up' sign and phrase 'punk ass,' to name the most obvious) its a damn near perfect show.

The ornery barkeep looks just like my dad

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 April 2004 02:12 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm really liking it so far.

lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 10 April 2004 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Likewise. I like the evolving web of characters and alliances and double-crosses and so forth. The cast is really good. I'm glad to see Timothy Olyphant doing something interesting; he was my favorite thing in "Go," but I can't think if I've actually seen him in anything since. And Keith Carradine was a good call for Wild Bill. And hell, Ricky Jay just showed up. They're gonna have to keep introducing new characters at a pretty good clip to keep up with the body count, though; otherwise that town'll get depopulated fast.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 04:44 (fifteen years ago) link

What is it about?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 10 April 2004 04:45 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a Western. I'm sure it was pitched as "we'll do for Lonesome Dove what The Sopranos did for The Godfather" -- i.e. demythologize, personalize, show people going to the bathroom and fucking, and have everyone swear a whole lot. Of course, Westerns have been getting demythologized for decades, so there's nothing exactly new about the concept. But the writing's good -- nice balance of grimness and humor -- and the characters are interesting. And without being slavishly "authentic," it does strive for some sense of what extraterritorial frontier life might have been like. (Central to the whole story is that Deadwood is outside the bounds of the U.S., in theoretically Indian territory, and therefore subject to no laws except whatever people decide to abide by day to day.)

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 10 April 2004 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link

And presented at a soap opera's pace, a la Oz

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I've been to deadwood.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link

But have you ever been to you?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I am saving up.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Wise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 April 2004 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I went to me before it became a tourist trap

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 11 April 2004 05:07 (fifteen years ago) link

you are a tourist trap?

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 11 April 2004 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link

that was such an AbFab reference,
tres obscure!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 11 April 2004 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't believe you didn't catch my "Wild on Donna Brown" special on E!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 11 April 2004 05:11 (fifteen years ago) link

UK people, I read about this in the Snide yesterday. It is apparently an uberviolent western starring LOVEJOY!

Ricardo (RickyT), Sunday, 11 April 2004 07:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Now we all know what was missing in previous attempts to revive the Western: using "cocksucker" every fifth word.

Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 12 April 2004 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

i think a deadwood drinking game would be pretty easy to create.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 12 April 2004 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Catching up on it today on HBO On Demand, so that I can be caught up tomorrow night if I like it enough to keep up. Loving it so far, but I'm medicated to the point where I can't feel my feet: God knows what my compass would point at.

It seems like one of those shows that'll provide the best performances to date for most of the people in it; I've never disliked Timothy Olyphant, but I never expected to be impressed by him, either; and Keith Carradine was the best thing, one of the only good things, about Dead Man's Walk, but he's so much better here, like that earlier performance was the rough draft for this.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:04 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Revive!

It's become my second-favorite show of all time (sorry, but no one touches Kramden and co), I just don't know what I'm going to do for the next few months without it.

I'll be furious if HBO pulls one of their two year gaps again - I was a pretty big Six Feet Under fan, but I found last night, watching the first episode of the new season, that I really couldn't care less anymore. That's what happens when you wait two years to premiere the new season.

Deadwood's only weak link is Olyphant. Why does he always have to be so laughably "intense?" Ian McShane is brilliant.

What did yall think of the season finale? Lots of loose ends....

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 06:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Ian McShane is a GREAT fucking actor. Remember when Sexy Beast came out and everyone was raving about Ben Kingsley? McShane owned his ass in that movie.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Any UK types see the first episode on Sky One just now? Very promising, I thought, despite being a bit hard to follow due to the thickness of the accents. I had my doubts about Lovejoy, but he seems decent.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

when are they going to rerun thison HBO?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i need to catch up on the missed episodes. i think my life got complicated right before the final few episodes, so i missed some things.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, watch it, watch it all. I was completely caught up in it by the end of the season. I've missed it ever since. Thank god The Wire's new season has started.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I sort of watched last night, but I was doing other things and it never really caught my attention. I very much doubt that I'll love it the way I did Lonesome Dove.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link

the language in this programme is extraordinary.

Peter Watts (peterw), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:27 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
BUMP. This could be one of the greatest television series EVAR. It's started playing on Australian cable and it never ceases to scratch every ultraviolent cuss-filled western itch that I have.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Ian McShane...the man.

Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
did this come out on DVD?

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
This show is neat.

Remy IS THE Snush (x Jeremy), Sunday, 23 January 2005 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I got up to episode 4 on the screener copies I picked up at HBO, but I have to wait two weeks -- two weeks! to get more. Are the later episodes as good as the first 4?

Remy IS THE Snush (x Jeremy), Sunday, 23 January 2005 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked the whole season, all the tangling storylines and new characters popping up constantly. I miss it. When's the next season start?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 23 January 2005 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

March 6. I saw David Milch speak recently, and he talked about how he'd planned the series with a 5+ season overarc, in which Deadwood moves from a place of absolute lawlessness (primordial ooze, he called it) to a lawful and organized place. Nice idea, methinks.

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 23 January 2005 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Except for Carradine only being there for the first arc, I think they're better later -- but it's hard to compare, it's a pretty solid show. The girl from Veronica Mars has a great part for a couple episodes (was it just one ep? I don't remember now), and Brad Dourif just gets better and better as the show goes on.

The Deadwood website at HBO.com is better than most of their show sites -- some meaty, if short, interviews, historical trivia, etc. Maybe there's just more to say about this show.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 23 January 2005 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

FIVE SEASONS?

The thought of forty eight more episodes of Deadwood causes me to drool uncontrollably.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 24 January 2005 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
thanks to the wonders of On Demand (comcast: I hate you, but I hate you very slightly less because of this feature which makes my stupendously huge cable bill somewhat justifiable) I've finally gotten around to watching the first season of this and it's great! much more riveting than I was expecting.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 13 February 2005 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link

totally. I miss it (I don't have cable anymore) but i hear it's out on DVD now?

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 13 February 2005 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes. And very well-encoded, with commentaries on each ep. by relevant persons. This really is a much better show than it deserves to be, innit? And the opening credits = perfect.

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 13 February 2005 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah. It was the best show on television for a while. At least until Arrested Development. My dad is totally Swarengen's doppelganger. It's uncanny.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 13 February 2005 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link

"Let's get the cunts afuckin!"

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Sunday, 13 February 2005 10:20 (fourteen years ago) link

i can't wait to rent this up after i'm done with the wire!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 14 February 2005 08:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Fascinating New Yorker article, if not for the faint whiff of, well, bullshit...should I give the show another try?

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

That fucking show Deadwood is fucking brilliant. And that fucking cunt Lovejoy is the best fucking cunting thing in it.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, it's great! how much of it did you watch, adam? it didn't pick up for me until the third episode.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I watched about 2 minutes of episode one.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

that is not even giving the show one try!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

that may be the closes to you get to a memoir

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 03:29 (two months ago) link

yeah i hate to say it but “i hope he writes a book” is not the best takeaway from that article, even with only a passing understanding of alzheimers

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:58 (two months ago) link

Born on this day 1940: Al Pacino - legend. pic.twitter.com/SsPE1XBuqw

— Balderdash (@notDcfcBoss) April 25, 2019

calzino, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:17 (two months ago) link

New trailer, anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0WrXmhvXTA

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:29 (two months ago) link

"murdering, thieving, cocksucking..."

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:34 (two months ago) link

96% sure the one on the right is a reference to the one on the left pic.twitter.com/TMHUkiDdUk

— Matt Prigge (@mattprigge) May 7, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:26 (two months ago) link

hey you know what's a good show that's just started that has a lot of the DNA of Deadwood?
https://www.hbo.com/gentleman-jack

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:31 (two months ago) link

^ that's written by Sally Wainwright who did the incredible Happy Valley (amongst other things) a few years back

nate woolls, Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:29 (two months ago) link

Two eps in and it’s really really good!

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:07 (two months ago) link

I think that episode 4 is the one that really hooked me.

rb (soda), Thursday, 9 May 2019 16:36 (two months ago) link

of jack or deadwood?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:50 (two months ago) link

i started a separate thread: Gentleman Jack on HBO

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:53 (two months ago) link

Deadwood gets somehow even better when Brian Cox comes to town pic.twitter.com/wpK5Qozln8

— Matt Prigge (@mattprigge) May 21, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:22 (two months ago) link

Milch’s career earned him a fortune—more than a hundred million dollars from “Hill Street Blues,” “NYPD Blue,” and “Deadwood” alone. This made possible both a history of philanthropy and promiscuous nondeductible one-to-one largesse. Several years after I published my Profile, as Milch was writing early episodes of “Luck,” he called and tried to persuade me to work on the series. I reflexively declined the offer. He kept at it, and I kept demurring. At last, he said, “Let me just send you some money.” To Milch I owe the strange pleasure of once upon a time hearing myself say, “Please do not send me money.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/05/27/david-milchs-third-act

Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:41 (two months ago) link

jeez, that's a heartbreaking read

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:54 (two months ago) link

Singer: One of the things we haven’t talked about is fear. Do you have fear?

Milch: Yeah. You need some?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:19 (two months ago) link

Milch: I feel the past falling away and the attachments of regret for what wasn’t done or was done badly or was done without sufficient sympathy, and it was for that reason that our granddaughter’s visit was such a redemptive and compelling occurrence. Everything is an adventure for her and a delight and a surprise, an opening up, and that’s a big gratification.

Singer: I’ve never thought of you as a sentimental person, but maybe I misread that. How would you characterize yourself?

Milch: As an unsentimental person.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:21 (two months ago) link

Man.

Singer: Do you feel like you’re in a race?

Milch: Yes.

Singer: You’re racing to finish this memoir?

Milch: More so a larger enterprise, of which this is just a part.

Singer: Can you be more specific?

Milch: I’m trying to make work, the undertaking in general, coherent. To restore a dignity to the way that I proceed, and it’s a demanding process. You’re tempted to . . . toss it in. Just to quit.

Singer: Before this, were you someone who had preoccupying fears?

Milch: No.

Singer: And now what is it you’re afraid of, if you could identify it?

Milch: I intuit the presence of a coherence in my life which I haven’t given expression to in an honorable fashion.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:24 (two months ago) link

And a pretty great interview w/ Olyphant.

Simon H., Thursday, 23 May 2019 11:59 (one month ago) link

Satisfying wrapup, and the closing line is perfect.

The Bite Game with Jim Lamprey (WmC), Saturday, 1 June 2019 02:21 (one month ago) link

i forgot how much i enjoyed just seeing al swearengen on that balcony

dynamicinterface, Saturday, 1 June 2019 03:48 (one month ago) link

Absolutely wonderful.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 1 June 2019 03:50 (one month ago) link

holy shit! this is out.. literally counting the minutes till I watch this tonight..

calzino, Saturday, 1 June 2019 10:22 (one month ago) link

just started rewatching the whole series and holy fuck it holds up alright.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:21 (one month ago) link

I watched season 1 recently, but then stalled out after the overly wordy season 2 premier.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:39 (one month ago) link

my gal is watching it for the first time with me and she's pointing out how this was clearly made in the "pre-binge" era; things move fast and characters pop up and are quickly dispatched. Watching the show in batches of three eps a sitting is like eating an omakase in a half hour.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:55 (one month ago) link

Thinking about the similarities between Deadwood The Movie and Avengers Endgame this morning — two fan-servicey films offering needy fans a chance to say goodbye, and also metacommentaries on an audience's need to say goodbye. Milch, as always, with more tough love -- "I'm giving you this thing you want but maybe you should toughen up a bit and not confuse want for need."

The Bite Game with Jim Lamprey (WmC), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:56 (one month ago) link

just watched the movie. does something very difficult - cramming about a season's worth of major incidents into a movie format - quite well, if a little inelegantly in certain moments. all the actors brought their A-game for the occasion.

Simon H., Saturday, 1 June 2019 18:26 (one month ago) link

McShane obviously v good, though he gets saddled with the most overtly sentimental material, but Olyphant really did a great job showing how time/age had and hadn't changed Bullock - considerably better socialized, but still stubborn as a mule

Simon H., Saturday, 1 June 2019 18:41 (one month ago) link

I felt like this was a strong case of how sometimes giving the audience exactly what they want, but not in a lazy or complacent manner, can be a very very good thing.

calzino, Sunday, 2 June 2019 09:46 (one month ago) link

It was a bit compressed and would have preferred a new season .. but it was a blast seeing these characters again.

calzino, Sunday, 2 June 2019 09:51 (one month ago) link

overly wordy

Apocryphal!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:11 (one month ago) link

heretical

j., Sunday, 2 June 2019 14:12 (one month ago) link

Jane's opening soliloquy gave me chills, and then it settles into a lot of loose-end-tying, familiar faces smiling wistfully at each other, flashbacks (ugh), character-arc resolutions and at least two wholly satisfying showdowns (gritting my teeth when reading Slant compare this to an Avengers movie, I kinda see what they were getting at now). I liked it, but it was far more postscript than the Grand Statement I was expecting.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 7 June 2019 15:48 (one month ago) link

I saw the flashbacks as a (mostly) necessary evil

Simon H., Friday, 7 June 2019 15:51 (one month ago) link

Still have the last 1/2 hour to go and I'm enjoying this, it's great to see everyone again, but the rhythm feels off. Idk, it has a stilted quality that the show didn't have for me. It's more like Deadwood: The Play than Deadwood?

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 7 June 2019 15:55 (one month ago) link

I liked Jane's thing, too! I was so excited to watch this, but by the time they got to the Charlie Utter train station scene it was clear to me that I have completely lost the ability to sit through even a couple of minutes of flowery, mannered, sentimental period dialogue

Dan I., Friday, 7 June 2019 15:55 (one month ago) link

xpost

I can't justify them on any grounds: who is watching this movie who isn't familiar with the show?

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 7 June 2019 15:56 (one month ago) link

Stilted, yes exactly! xpost. I haven't re-watched the original series, but I don't remember it ever feeling stilted, except maybe for some of the theater troupe scenes

Dan I., Friday, 7 June 2019 15:57 (one month ago) link

The dialogue in the film is far more expository than the series ever was.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 7 June 2019 15:58 (one month ago) link

who is watching this movie who isn't familiar with the show?

I hadn't watched the last act of s3 in quite a few years and had forgotten the particulars of the Hearst/Trixie affair at the very least. (The Alma/Bullock flashbacks definitely a bit much.)

Simon H., Friday, 7 June 2019 16:03 (one month ago) link

I guess I had the advantage of having just rewatched the show in anticipation of the movie, but the flashbacks felt like hand-holding. Not the only time the film does this, mind: a crucial late moment has Jane verbally reflect back on how said event relates to a much earlier in her (and the show's) history. The series never did anything like this.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 7 June 2019 16:08 (one month ago) link

Well, the series never had to cram a season's worth of incident into under two hours while also providing a sense of closure. It's basically impossible to do without some major changes in approach.

Simon H., Friday, 7 June 2019 16:29 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

i'm about halfway through the second season in my first rewatch since this originally aired with the intent of seeing the movie fully prepared. damn does this ever hold up. the language in the second season is so florid and precise; I'm finding lots of quotes I had forgotten but that became catch phrases around the house, including Richardson's "i LIKE you...you're purrrdy" and Trixie's "i wish i were a tree." I'm partner watching this, somewhat unfortunately, and she's not as binge likely as i am or else we'd have knocked this out in a week. As it is, I imagine I'll hit the movie by end of July.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 15:17 (three weeks ago) link

I’m rewatching too, at about the same pace. It’s my third time watching this and not only does it hold up it’s even better than I remembered. Really rewards both bingeing and repeat viewing.

The slow reveals on e.g. the kidney stone or Hearst’s hand in camp affairs start earlier than you think, and it’s a pleasure to be able to rewind the really good bits, of which there are really too many to count.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:57 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

I enjoyed the movie a bunch and thought it was very good given the various limitations: two-hour time frame, passage of time, Milch's condition.

No one mentioned the Dillahunt cameo as "Drunk #2?" I was joking with my wife early on that they should have him play another character, then nearly died laughing when I saw him near the end.

Not enough Farnum for my tastes, but I realize they only had two hours to hit on a bunch of things. McRaney is so good as Hearst - one of my favorite TV villains. Feeling pretty satisfied and grateful overall.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:36 (one week ago) link

We binged 11 hours of season three on july 4; truly the most american way to watch this show.
i appreciated the movie, actually surprised by how strong an emotional reaction i had to seeing the characters older. Everything felt squeezed and rushed though, definitely needed at least five hours to sprawl out and get comfy. I think the actress who played trixie commented on how it required different muscles to work with. I'm grateful it happened at all, even with the dumb wrap up and maudlin ending; that fanservice aside, I was glad to see where everyone landed. Charlie, tho!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:59 (one week ago) link

basically i'm still lamenting lost seasons four and five. I'll watch them in heaven i guess.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 11 July 2019 15:01 (one week ago) link


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