Freeview Boxes : Classic or Dud?

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Just got one, have had it for a week. Now the kids watch cbeebies all day despite what I say...

And this bid up TV / Drop Down TV where they sell towels/jewellry/golf clubs to callers on-line ....

And cause of all this, I missed Psychomania on BBC1!!!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 March 2004 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link

You may wish to see this thread, mark. It's not very good though.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 22 March 2004 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks.

No, but then it's just worth it for Radio 6, ocasionally.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 March 2004 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I meant that thread, not Freeview. I suppose that's not very good either, but hey, it's cheap.

Digital Radios is a better thread.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 22 March 2004 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

True, re: the thread. But, not great source material I guess.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 March 2004 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic for Sky Sports News (immensely entertaining, if occasionally heartbreaking, on a Saturday afternoon), BBC4 (Richard Rorty/Emmylou Harris/John Cage/Paul Morley/Alan Clark/Gyorgy Ligeti/Mark Steel...), Radio 3 & 4 hiss-free, Five in near-DVD kwal for CSI, etc., the entire-series-in-a-day rerun approach of UK History (dip a toe into The Cuban Missile Crisis).

Dud for ropey BBC/ITV bitrates, the shopping channels (only funny the first time), the wasteland of ITV2 and the creeping menace of Top Up TV (I don't have an old OnDigital box so I can't see these extra subscription services - which are eating into channel-space, goddammit*), the plethora of EMAP-owned trash radio.

(* - OK, more to it than that, but, y'know...)

Jury's out: BBCi (I'm waiting for June...) and TMF/Hits channels (one could get sick of even "Hey Ya"), BBC3 (comedy on weeks before BBC2 - which I still can't help thinking of as a taster for its real analogue broadcast... the endless looping repeats on BBC3 don't encourage any kind of timeslot loyalty and by the time of BBC2 screening I can't remember what I have/haven't seen; the rest of its programming is without merit).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 22 March 2004 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't forget Bunk Bed Boys, 11pm tonight. Comedy you'll never see on BBC2.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 22 March 2004 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
OK, I've just tried retuning so I can pick up the unencrypted E4.

Not matter how many times I retune, I can get E4+1 perfectly but I've completely lost the reception for E4, Channel 4 and ITV etc.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

E4 only came on for me at about 10pm (which wasn't really a problem I suppose, since BB was on C4 at the time).

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 28 May 2005 07:12 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i've now got both E4 and E4+. yay!

Ste (Fuzzy), Saturday, 28 May 2005 13:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've got mine all sorted out now. You might be able to go straight to channel 705 for the Big Brother live stream.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 28 May 2005 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Freeview boxes are okay, I haven't got mine connected though. Can't work out the connections with my TV and DVD recorder.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 28 May 2005 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

ftn seems to have been replaced with virgin1 which is showing Deep Space 9 5 times a week (opposite Daily Show unfortunately).

Tivo is currently listing 50+ episodes of takeshi's castle, all of which i've seen before. i deleted the Season Pass thing only to have them all reappear due to Takeshi Kitano wishlist thing. will have to delete them all individually...

bbc radio channels seemed to rejig last week sometime - needed a channel rescan to pick them all up again. annoying - missed start of dirk gently.

koogs, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

I heard a couple of Radio 4 trailers saying that you'd need to rescan around October 2nd, the other week.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

(note to self: remember to listen to Dirk Gently whilst in the car tonight)

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

Our box spazzes out and demands a rescan once every week or two. It happened again yesterday and afterwards we were missing bbc 1 and 2.

ledge, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

I seem to be rescanning every other week, what with C4+1 and Virgin 1 and the BBC radio stations moving about. It's quite a to-do and I worry about how the old folk cope.

Also, ITV2 never seems to provide any programme guide information anymore. Luckily, I couldn't care less.

Alba, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

One of our Freeview boxes started demanding a rescan every time it started up, for a couple of months, before dying completely.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

What I don't understand is why you can't search for a show title on these things. The schedules are just stored as text in some database sitting right there inside the box - why not let me search for "Kath and Kim", show me the results, and then let me select "Record All"?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

We recently got a new freeview box which can has about 100+ channels on it, can record programmes, and can pause TV shows (even live ones) for up to 30 minutes. It's amazing! and it only cost £50.

C J, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

The schedules are just stored as text in some database sitting right there inside the box - why not let me search for "Kath and Kim", show me the results, and then let me select "Record All"

er ... you can pretty much do that with ours (some kind of two-year-old humax thing that actually rocks a lot harder than i think i realise, given that it does all the stuff CJ's new thing does and i just take it for granted). you can certainly search for programmes by name, and it's piss easy to set up a repeat-recording schedule.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

Yes well that... makes sense

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

Everyone should have a Humax.

Alba, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

i want the one that can output to my computer.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

I need to read the instruction book with my Sky+ box to see if it can do fancy searching stuff. It can record whole series and that, but if I don't actually see it in the TV guide, it doesn't go "yo, you're going to miss that thing you might have wanted to see". Or maybe it does and i just don't know how to work it.

Anyway, that's not freeview. Our freeview box doesn't work due to crappy aerial set-up in the house. Luckily a guy about five doors down from us has a van with "TV Aerial Repair" written on it, I just have to befriend him for some spurious reason.

ailsa, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

I am scared to make mine rescan, since I currently appear to be getting Setanta Sports without paying Top Up.

aldo, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:58 (twelve years ago) link

It seems like you've got a non-spurious one already!

xpost

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 14:58 (twelve years ago) link

"hello, I've just moved in a couple of doors along from you, care to fix my aerial for nothing in a neighbourly kind of way?"

ailsa, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

"hello, I've just moved in a couple of doors along from you. nice van. be a shame if something happened to it, eh? now, about my aerial."

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

Here's a "controversial" article about Freeview .. I can't say I really buy the guy's argument. I may not even grasp it in the first place.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/10/telebusillis_digital_tv_analysis

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

Our Freeview box recently broke (it won't turn on - yes, I've tried replacing the remote control batteries) and would like to know where CJ got a box that records for only £50.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:15 (twelve years ago) link

yes, me too. i have seen cheap freeview boxes, less cheap recording boxes but freeview boxes that also record have, in my experience*, all been around the £200 mark. need a second digibox for the bedroom and may as well get one that records.

(* argos)

koogs, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:21 (twelve years ago) link

ok, they are coming down in price - a sony here for £80

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-SVR-S500-Digital-Recorder-Freeview/dp/B000FCQMFK

koogs, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:27 (twelve years ago) link

It's no Humax.

Alba, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:29 (twelve years ago) link

(that sony's a refurb, oops)

and humax ain't no tivo. 8)

koogs, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:32 (twelve years ago) link

We bought a fairly bog-standard freeview box (to replace an unreliable one which kept freezing up) from Argos about six months ago. We pay monthly for that top-up TV thing, so presumably our details exist on some top-up-tv-database somewhere .... because a couple of weeks ago we had a phone call from whoever the manufacturer of our freeview box was, offering us an upgrade to this spiffing new recordable one for just £50. My husband, being a sucker for gadgetry, said yes immediately and it arrived by parcel courier the next day. I can't remember what make it is, but I can check when I get home tonight if anyone's interested.

C J, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:33 (twelve years ago) link

oh, the topup tv thing, that makes sense. they've switched to uploading content to recordable devices during the times when other channels don't broadcast and the content is then available for topuptv people the day after, like tv on demand. as far as i understand it anyway.

http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/topuptv.html

koogs, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:48 (twelve years ago) link

Top-up TV is rub-a-dub, as far as I can make out.

Alba, Thursday, 11 October 2007 11:50 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

bought a new set-top box to watch at christmas whilst parents monopolised downstairs tv. only the bedroom tv didn't have a scart-in.

tried it on parents' bedroom tv which does have scart-in. no dice - loop aerial, even one that's amplified, doesn't get a good enough signal for digital tv. i fear this will be the same for millions of sets come 2012.

anyway, got it home and tried to use it to replace the old itv digital box that keeps freezing up (sticks on bbc channels, which meant i lost about 5 hours of recordings over christmas, 5 hours of bbc7 rather than virgin1) but the tivo cannot replicate the remote control commands that it needs in order to turn over to the correct channel.

it will, i think, let me watch one channel whilst tivo is recording another, so not entirely useless. i will need to rejig wiring though as i know have more scart inputs than i have scart-in sockets.

koogs, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

argos are doing a wharfedale 160G pvr thing for £75 in their sale btw

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?catalogId=1500000701&searchTerms=WDTR160

have no idea what it's like other than the shape and the price. 8)

koogs, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 13:16 (twelve years ago) link

I think I need to get myself one of those, but the thought of disconnecting everything and trying to work that into my existing set-up gives me nightmares.

nate woolls, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

i believe it should come first in the chain, then output to your DVD/VCR/whatever, which then outputs to your TV - i think?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

My OnDigital box finally died last week, so I replaced it with the only cheap crap that Tesco had. It's bollocks. Audio keeps going out of sync, and you can only pull up now/next info for the channel you're watching!

Staggeringly, neither can the Humax PVR that is tied for "best" in all the reviews. But the Topfield TF5800PV can, as it just as good, and also has firefox-esque extensions you can download to it. So that's the one for me.

stet, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

I can press "guide" on the Humax and it tells me all the channels (providing it has been on for a few minutes).

We now have a cheap crap Tesco telly that is digtal-enabled, but it is total shit, can't get a decent picture for most of the channels, whereas the Humax can get a good picture through the same (not very good) aerial setup.

Mind you, all I do is record crap and never watch it.

PS: What did you end up doing, Deano? Giving up and Watching To The Manor Born?

PJ Miller, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

(Portal / Half Life 2 / babylon 5 avis on laptop)

koogs, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

um, Teletext Extra. meant to be a 14 day episode guide but what you end up with is (virgin broadband) adverts top and bottom and room for 5 channels worth of listings in the middle = so much paging up and down.

new set top box is sharing a scart lead and a plug socket with the dvd. bit of a faff but should be ok as i should never be using both at the same time. but unplugging set top box means having to sit through 5 minutes of setup every time i turn it on. oh um. it's 'interactive' red button indicator is also eye-searingly bright compared to the last one.

koogs, Thursday, 3 January 2008 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

So, until last weekend I had all the 'normal' channels (bbc1,bbc2,itv1,c4,5) working tickety boo through the freeview box, suddenly itv1,4 and 5 give me "no signal' or "service unavailable" and when I re-tune they've gone altogether. What gives?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

Reload your channels when it's quiet and the reception is good (i.e. not during a thunderstorm)

Mark G, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

Somebody told me that I should "empty" the box first by unplugging it from the aerial so you that when you retune you get nothing and then turning it off for 15 seconds and then plugging it all back in to re-tune again. Do you think he was having a laugh?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

I mean - how would that help?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

... sorry, keep forgetting that London Live isn't available outside London (I think), not that you're missing much.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 10:51 (five days ago) link

LOL @ the filth getting a doing at a demo outside an Embassy in the most unconvincing London street Pinewood Studios had to offer - placards suggesting the demo is about torturers being harboured in the Embassy and, er, student grants.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 11:11 (five days ago) link

just discovered there's a 1974 remake of brief encounter w. richard burton and sophia loren (also on london live)

it's not very compelling

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 14:46 (five days ago) link

When films like this occasionally turned up on the telly - before they had channels that show little else - I always used to make a jokey comment along the lines of "And people wonder why the British film industry collapsed?"

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 14:50 (five days ago) link

my gran (mum's mum, who ended her days in my parents' house) once walked into the room while i was watching some old B/W movie and just thought it was the funniest thing that a young person (as i then was more or less lol) was watching this format which had been ripped up and binned in her youth. i suspect the remake of BE was ordered up by ppl who thought the same way -- the idea of TV access to very old films is an 80s thing, more or less, occasional speeded-up clips of silent comedies notwithstanding

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:15 (five days ago) link

mark s 2020 stop saying more or less challenge

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:15 (five days ago) link

Post-Krays, I notice both "Villain" and "All Coppers Are" had gay gangsters. Also Robin Askwith and David Essex had blink and you'll miss them parts in the latter, David Essex had one line, something like, "'Ere, did you pull a bird last night?"

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:22 (five days ago) link

"Performance", too, tho obv that's a different thing to a point

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:26 (five days ago) link

Connections connections. We had T.P. McKenna as a London crime boss (in "Villain") one night and as a priest trying to talk sense into Rita Tushingham (in "Girl With Green Eyes") the next.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 15:27 (five days ago) link

Mark's memories of the 1970s are stronger than mine, but I would say that there was a very big cultural attachment to vintage film then -- the obvious indication being Michael Parkinson's big interviews with veteran movie stars. And a great many TV sets then were still black & white anyway!

Michael Rodd's SCREEN TEST (19701-1984) is also relevant. I hope Steady Mike's reading this now.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 11:05 (four days ago) link

Koogs: BBC is on Freeview, as much as any of these other channels are.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 11:06 (four days ago) link

[*1970-1984]

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 11:07 (four days ago) link

this thread bumping reminds me to post

Talking Pictures Tv 17:50 today
Hell Drivers (1957)
which features, in no particular order, a doctor who, a james bond, a man from uncle, the prisoner, a professional, a ladykiller, and syd james.

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2020 11:44 (four days ago) link

How about SCHOOL FOR SCOUNDRELS -- are any of us watching that?

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 11:57 (four days ago) link

I did. It was enjoyable.

Useful tip from Koogs on these BBC films.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 18:29 (four days ago) link

(I think I'll watch the next two also.)

(But first: NOTTING HILL on Five Star tonight.)

the pinefox, Monday, 6 April 2020 18:29 (four days ago) link

I missed the beginning but caught most of it, SfS. Modern 4th wall stuff from Sim at the end.

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2020 21:47 (four days ago) link

Yes this was good.

I plan to watch THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT next.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 09:08 (three days ago) link

NOTTING HILL btw was worth seeing but not that convincing.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 09:08 (three days ago) link

Loving Star Trek at 10 o'clock every morning, courtesy of the Horror Channel.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 10:16 (three days ago) link

are they showing the 16:9 version?

(i have the dvds of TOS sat in front of the tv, i think i've finished them but can't remember. there's no real end to it - the last episode is just another episode)

Voyager on later in the day too. and Lost in Space. and Time Tunnel (the original?).

koogs, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 11:16 (three days ago) link

No, it's not the 16:9 version. They're started showing them from the start, and the first season is pretty consistently good.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 11:31 (three days ago) link

(listen out in TMITWS forthe same bubble sound effects they used for the car in SfS)

oh, joan greenwood.

koogs, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:28 (three days ago) link

Greenwood's voice a tremendous artefact. Or do I mean instrument?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 19:19 (three days ago) link

The Green of the Voice

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:54 (three days ago) link

That's good, Ward.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 09:37 (two days ago) link

THE TITFIELD THUNDERBOLT arrives on platform BBC2 at 15:25 today and departs at 16:45.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 09:38 (two days ago) link

Terrible Doug McClure (biceps) / Caroline Munro (boobs) movie on this morning, on Talking Pictures, which I ended up watching because of the weird electronic score - which it turns out was composed by a guy from Manfred Mann.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 09:44 (two days ago) link

in response to PF's earlier comment abt the attitude to old movies in the 70s -- my feeling is we had parky and rodd and also e.g. michael bentine's golden silents instead of actually being able to view old films. the bbc was taping over many of its own archives (= why it's a big deal when eps of dad's army are found in skips etc) and the culture at large was casually and thoughtlessly non-archival, the turn to the past as a large wing of ordinary popular culture came later, when video became a household item not an expensive specialist technology (and relatedly when the huge music re-issue projects arrived alongside CDs)

almost parky's entire sheen was as loveable curator of lost things we shd pay more attention to, old films and broadway and the las vegas swing era, which only works when we realise that it really was mostly lost (since he was a p terrible curator)

mark s, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 10:03 (two days ago) link

Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner on channel 50 today at 14:50 (didn't you just read that PF?)

clashes with Titfield though (and i saw it only a month ago)

koogs, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 10:44 (two days ago) link

I did, Koogs ! Had no idea the film was coming on today.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 12:28 (two days ago) link

Cripes, it's Sony Classics. I really think I should watch this.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 12:31 (two days ago) link

(I didn't - and then I missed the start of the Ealing film too: so it ends up as no films today.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 14:38 (two days ago) link

more greenwood today. Whisky Galore!

koogs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 13:49 (yesterday) link

(that accent's a bit off though)

koogs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 13:52 (yesterday) link

next week's BBC2 matinees, btw

M The Robe
T The Long Ships
W The Vikings
T Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines
F ??? (not in EPG yet)

disappointing.

koogs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:06 (yesterday) link

Disappointing, indeed.

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:45 (yesterday) link

Shall we all watch THE LAVENDER HILL MOB tomorrow anyway?

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:45 (yesterday) link

btw I missed TITFIELD because it started 40 minutes earlier than the last schedule I saw had announced!

Saturday we should watch LONG DISTANCE RUNNER. Not as if any footy's on.

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:46 (yesterday) link

Magnificent Men - I have a soft spot for those sprawling, international ensemble, chase-type films from the late '60s. Great Race, Monte Carlo or Bust, It's A MMMMM World, etc. Would happily watch for the cast alone for at least 30min.

The Robe - would be curious to see this as it was "the last film I saw at the pictures with your mother; y'know, with Victor Mature" - my Dad, every time anyone mentioned going to the cinema, 1975-2007.

But...work. Not seeing any daytime tv atm.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:54 (yesterday) link

I watched Magnificent Men a couple of months ago, it's definitely comfort food

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:06 (yesterday) link

the ealing things are entertaining enough but also familiar enough to not be a distraction. but then my home office is the sofa, facing the tv.

TMMITFM was a Pointless question the other day. john the measurer was a pointless answer (in two of the three jackpot round categories, the other one being The Wrong Box, which i've never seen)

koogs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:15 (yesterday) link

chitty chitty bang bang is the only good bond movie

mark s, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:22 (yesterday) link

Benny Hill was in both CCBB and TMMITFM (and the italian job)

koogs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:27 (yesterday) link

exactly

mark s, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:28 (yesterday) link

Gert Froebe obv in CCBB, TMM and Goldfinger

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:35 (yesterday) link

Benny Hill in a Bond film would've been a treat

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:36 (yesterday) link

high-speed chase through the undersea lair

mark s, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:40 (yesterday) link

i can almost hear the mash-up of the John Barry theme and Yakety-Sax in my head

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:42 (yesterday) link

I wished I'd started watching this version "Dorian Gray" with Helmut Berger earlier. Dubbing is abysmal.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:31 (yesterday) link


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