touring the Chernobyl area on a motorbike

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"I travel a lot and one of my favorite destination lead through poisoned with radiation, so called Chernobyl "dead zone" It is 130kms from my home. Why favourite? because one can ride there for hours and not meet any single car and not to see any single soul. People left and nature is blooming, there are beautiful places, woods, lakes. There is no newly built roads, but those which left from 80th in fairly good condition..."

(I suggest not to leech these pictures to avoid crashing her site)

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 7 March 2004 11:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

lol, dually noted. Is she that 3 eared chick? Reminds me of a short story that I read one time, they didn't quite know what the radiation area was because everyone was extinct except a few young humans. They rebuilt society and every once and awhile someone wondered off into the radiated area and died. Then one day one went through and lived, and they thought that he was magical. Maybe she is magical.

aNatheMa (aNatheMa), Sunday, 7 March 2004 11:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

her site has been number 1 on blogdex for the past 24 hours or so, i'd imagine a few more hits won't crash it.

D Aziz (esquire1983), Sunday, 7 March 2004 11:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

then police shot 7 or 8 of them and it helped

Helped ease the housing shortage???

Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, for safety's sake I hope she wears her helmet.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

amazing pictures... to repeat the obvious.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

then police shot 7 or 8 of them and it helped

Helped ease the housing shortage???

For people who didn't checked, the context is even more funny:
"marauders in radiation poluted area are not just a regular marauders, they don't steal stuff for themselves. There were cases of radiactive tv sets and other stuff being sold on city second hand markets and then police shot 7 or 8 of them and it helped"
So, I guess "public safety" would be the justification for these killings.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

do you mean "funny" as in "suspicious" or "funny" as in "ha-ha laugh riot," Sébastien?

this IS a rather large area of land, left uninhabited for very obvious reasons. it also does suggest some interesting things -- about conservation generally, humanity's place in nature, etc.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

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(This was a Pizza Hut. Now it's all covered with daisies. You got it. You got it.)

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Eisbär : it was like "it's not because we are laughing that it's funny", was just wondering if Skottie was being facetious or had ADD or something to miss the context like that.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 8 March 2004 01:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The eeriest part is when she describes the silence, and how it freaks out tourists and they have to leave.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 March 2004 02:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
'beautiful' scenes from Pripyat today

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i love the shot of the ferris wheel from a raised distance esp.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You don't have to head East too see the effects of Chernobyl — Welsh hill farmers in Snowdonia are still suffering with radioactive sheep.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 10:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haunting, but fascinating, pictures

some of them are very 'Silent Hill'

Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love the ending to this article

Wildlife at Chernobyl

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

why not tour the zone virtually?

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was not ready for the portraits at this morning, but I did need to see them.

wish I had a permanent link, but it's a javascript window.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love the idea of wild horses living in old stalinist flats. However those pictures at Slate are just horrendous and heartbreaking.

andy --, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the slate thing:

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

My god. That Slate essay is incredible, and deeply deeply sad.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 22:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Has anyone visited Pripyat recently? I'm thinking of going next month if i can arrange a tour.

A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Monday, 19 September 2011 08:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Has anyone visited Pripyat recently? I'm thinking of going next month if i can arrange a tour.

I keep meaning to do this but never get around to it. Has anyone been?

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 2 October 2014 07:22 (four years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I've never seen this thread. I was obsessed with that woman's site when I first found it. I've not been but I would love to go. You really should and then come back and post pics and tell us all about it so we can live vicariously through you please.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:31 (four years ago) Permalink

I'll see what i can do!

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 2 October 2014 10:47 (four years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I visited on Saturday. There seems to be some question about how long tours to the exclusion zone are going to be run for due to safety concerns (the rather prosaic threat posed by crumbling buildings rather than radiation) and I felt that, Ukraine being a country I have a great love for and Chernobyl being such a huge part of its history, it’s somewhere I should get to while I still had the chance.

The tour operators showed the excellent documentary The Battle Of Chernobyl ( on the two hour drive from Kyiv, helping to set an appropriate tone. Pripyat isn’t just a spooky ghost town, it’s somewhere tens of thousands of people were fatally poisoned and half a million more pitched in, at great cost to their own health, to prevent a horrific disaster becoming an unimaginable one.

28 firemen were first on the scene - all were dead within weeks. 600 airmen were used to drop bags of sand and boric acid on the reactor – all died of radiation poisoning not long afterwards. From the 10,000 Tula miners who tunnelled into the cooling tanks to prevent another explosion to the ‘bio-robots’ – reservist soldiers who were drafted in to clean uranium rods from the roof of the reactor when the actual robots found the radiation levels impossible - the heroism and sacrifice was absolutely extraordinary. That sacrifice probably prevented a second catastrophe that would have vapourised everything as far as Minsk and rendered Europe uninhabitable in perpetuity. The gravity of the historical and human context means visiting should be undertaken with some respect afforded to other sites of great modern tragedy in Europe. Quite how anyone could be crass enough to greenlight the Chernobyl Diaries is literally beyond me.

There are about 3000 people working in the town of Chernobyl, roughly 18km from the reactor, at any one time. Some, like our official guide, live there in two week shifts but most commute in from Slavutich, a town outside the zone. Most of the work is either focused on scientific monitoring or the construction of a new €1bn sarcophagus for Reactor no.4. The old one is cracking and still contains enough nuclear waste to poison 100m adults. The funding is coming from the EU, as a trade-off for Ukraine closing the other reactors which, remarkably, were still active until the 2000s. Around 150 people live in the zone permanently – illegal but tolerated by the authorities. All are elderly and either couldn’t hack city life or wanted to see out the rest of their life in their old family homes. The number was as high as 800 a few years ago.

On the way through town, we’re given a primer on the region’s history and told that Chernobyl was a majority Jewish town until WW2 and is still one of the most important sites for pilgrimage in Eastern Europe. We’re also told, in uncompromising terms, about the mutual distrust between zone workers and the Orthodox American and Israeli pilgrims who visit ever year – each accusing the other of disrespecting their respective suffering.

The first of the abandoned villages we visit, Kopachi, was considered too dangerous to leave standing due to its wooden architecture so it was knocked down and buried. The only surviving building is the brick nursery. After days of prevarication, during which many of the 130,000 people living in the Chernobyl region received fatal or life-threatening doses of radiation, the entire population was moved out with two hours’ notice, leaving anything they couldn’t physically carry behind them on the understanding that they would be gone for a week or two at most." class="noborder">

It’ll be about a thousand years until it’s safe for anyone under the age of 18 to be allowed back.

And here’s the guilty party in the makeshift concrete straightjacket it took 90,000 people six months to create:

The new sarcophagus will look like this:

It’s still too dangerous to work directly on the reactor so it’s being built on rails and will be slid into place when finished. Should be ok for about 250 years.

The heart of Chernobyl, its company town Pripyat (pop: 43,000), was just three km away from the reactor. When it exploded local people reported seeing a column of multi-coloured fire stretching a kilometre into the sky and that it was one of the most beautiful things they’d ever seen.

Pripyat is huge and entirely deserted. This was the supermarket, with signs for canned vegetables and fruit still in place.

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The most famous building in the city is the school, though, its floor littered with thousands of tiny, child-sized gas masks.

Despite the disrepair, it still feels like a school – signs telling students to be ‘bold and agile’ and a woodworking classroom that still, remarkably, smelled like every woodworking classroom in the history of the world 28 years after it was last used.

The music room has seen better days, however.

On the way out of the school, we were met by this beautiful creature, a glossy-coated fox with no fear of humans. You got the sense it would have eaten out of our hands, had we had anything worth offering. Rather unromantically, the guide mentioned that you can often pet foxes when they’re in the first stage of rabies as they’re as friendly and docile as domestic dogs, but I’d prefer to believe that they’ve just adapted to an environment where people pose no threat.

Although they were too far away to photograph well, we also saw a team of glorious Mongolian horses dashing through the fields of long grass. A couple of dozen were introduced as an experiment, essentially to see whether or not they’d die or have colts with deformities, but there are hundreds now and they’re going strong. The whole of the Belarussian section of the exclusion zone, as far as I can tell, is kept as a nature reserve and, given that the land will never be lived in again by people, it’s likely the Ukrainian side will follow it back to the wild over time.

The last stop on the trip was a visit to an apartment block, reemphasising that Pripyat was a thriving home to tens of thousands, not just a place for work and study. Each little flat had pretty wallpaper and furniture still standing.

A copy of Kotsiubysnky’s Fata Morgana that will never be finished:

What happened at Chernobyl was terrifying but what could have happened was so many times worse, it did make me question whether nuclear fuel can ever be considered a viable option in the long term. Yes there were design flaws and yes there was human error but the consequences of anything similar happening again, however improbable that may be, are difficult to conceive. There are probably a dozen things that could kill us first but, either way, walking around Pripyat, with its mixture of buildings declining to rubble and relics of everyday domestic life, I couldn’t shake the feeling that, one way or another, this is a glimpse of what the whole world will look like one day. As a memento mori / reminder of the transience of human existence, it’s a humbling experience.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 20:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Some of the pictures didn't link correctly so:

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the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:18 (four years ago) Permalink

currently on a wikipedia trawl through chernobyl related stuff

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:19 (four years ago) Permalink

When it exploded local people reported seeing a column of multi-coloured fire stretching a kilometre into the sky and that it was one of the most beautiful things they’d ever seen.

No pictures survived? I imagine the radiation probably fogged all the film within a pretty big radius

, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:08 (four years ago) Permalink

these are taken on top of the reactor and survived, although you can see the ionizing artifacts

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:22 (four years ago) Permalink

As far as i know, there are no surviving pictures from the first few hours of the fire. If the radiation didn't get to the film, the KGB probably did.There was a huge effort on the part of the reactor controllers to hide as much evidence as they could from the authorities and, in turn, for the authorities to hide the evidence from the world. If you believe Gorbachev, the news that the reactor had exploded didn't reach him until after Sweden reported the fallout hitting Stockholm two days later. He knew that there had been an accident but claims that the extent was, somehow, hushed up locally.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:09 (four years ago) Permalink

I recommend the documentaries on YouTube, there are some images of the plant from a few days after, but the documentaries have detailed re-enactments. Sad, but this was how I learned about how a nuclear power plant works.

Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 12:37 (four years ago) Permalink

amazing story and photos, sv

NYC if you didn't know was taken over by skeleton hipsters in the past (stevie), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 13:02 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, thank you for sharing sv!

sweet lids of the stars (seandalai), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 23:38 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Brilliant reportage and pictures SV.

I am right in thinking that if this disaster had occurred in a nuclear reactor in say England or France rather than the Soviet Union it would have been more catastrophic because the firemen and soldiers would be more likely to down tools rather than embark on a suicide mission? I recall reading that they plied the first responders with vodka and told them it would protect them from the radiation. I need to read a good Chernobyl book because I never realised how potentially even more catastrophic it could have been.

xelab, Thursday, 27 November 2014 23:01 (four years ago) Permalink

that's an interesting thought

although a disaster of that severity like that is hypothethically much less likely in a western country, there would be severe difficulties in getting enough people to take those risks, by comparison in fukushima there were only fifty people who willingly exposed themselves to high levels of radiation, to get many thousands of people to do that is something else altogether

and if they needed specific skills like the miners to dig underneath the reactor....even if there are enough miners left in this country one doubts how many of them would be prepared to do that

apart from soldiers nobody else could be compelled to work in those conditions and more people were involved in the chernobyl cleanup than are currently in the uk military

so either paying huge amounts of money to people with the right skills or emergency legislation mandating people to work are the only options

نكبة (nakhchivan), Thursday, 27 November 2014 23:13 (four years ago) Permalink

I meant to say Am I right? obv

have you read any good chernobyl books nakch?

xelab, Thursday, 27 November 2014 23:21 (four years ago) Permalink

no i have only read internet stuff about it but the wikipedia page is good and links to other pages where necessary

the most horrifying part is the possibility (as i understand it) that the 'corium' mixture of superheated radioactive isotopes, molten concrete, ash etc would have hit the coolant water in a confined space and created a boiling liquid explosion of such power that it could have acted like the charge in a primitive nuclear weapon and created a fission explosion with the material in the other three reactors

نكبة (nakhchivan), Thursday, 27 November 2014 23:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Alexander Akimov, the unit shift chief, and Leonid Toptunov, a technician, falsely believed the water flow to the reactor was blocked by a closed valve, and so they fought their way to where they believed they could pump water back into the reactor and spent hours, submerged to the waist in radioactive water. Both would die a torturous death from radiation poisoning.Later, in hospital, Akimov tried to stand and the skin fell off his leg like a sock.

نكبة (nakhchivan), Thursday, 27 November 2014 23:47 (four years ago) Permalink

That is so horrific, fucking hell.

xelab, Thursday, 27 November 2014 23:52 (four years ago) Permalink

some other stuff on the internet disputes the claim of the soviet physicist that it could have created a nuclear explosion and it would just have been a large conventional explosion that would have spread over a wider area than the first one, although that still would have been fairly catastrophic

نكبة (nakhchivan), Friday, 28 November 2014 00:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Great pictures SV.

I went myself, not long after this thread was initially started. Very interesting to see how it looks lately.

Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Friday, 28 November 2014 16:42 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

"Chernobyl fox makes five-decker sandwich"

Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Monday, 27 April 2015 20:21 (four years ago) Permalink

it's just carrying them away to hoard in one load, but the bbc is clickbait trash nowadays

carles the jekyll (imago), Monday, 27 April 2015 20:30 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The smoldering graphite, fuel and other material above, at more than 1200 °C, started to burn through the reactor floor and mixed with molten concrete from the reactor lining, creating corium, a radioactive semi-liquid material comparable to lava. If this mixture had melted through the floor into the pool of water, it was feared it could have created a serious steam explosion that would have ejected more radioactive material from the reactor. It became necessary to drain the pool.

The bubbler pool could be drained by opening its sluice gates. However, the valves controlling it were underwater, located in a flooded corridor in the basement. So volunteers in wetsuits and respirators (for protection against radioactive aerosols) and equipped with dosimeters, entered the knee-deep radioactive water and managed to open the valves. These were the engineers Alexei Ananenko and Valeri Bezpalov (who knew where the valves were), accompanied by the shift supervisor Boris Baranov. Upon succeeding and emerging from the water, according to many English language news articles, books and the prominent BBC docudrama Surviving Disaster – Chernobyl Nuclear, the three knew it was a suicide-mission and began suffering from radiation sickness and died soon after. Some sources also incorrectly claimed that they died there in the plant. However, research by Andrew Leatherbarrow, author of the 2016 book Chernobyl 01:23:40, determined that the frequently recounted story is a gross exaggeration. Alexei Ananenko continues to work in the nuclear energy industry, and rebuffs the growth of the Chernobyl media sensationalism surrounding him. While Valeri Bezpalov was found to still be alive by Leatherbarrow, the 65-year-old Baranov had lived until 2005 and had died of heart failure.

Wes Brodicus, Sunday, 18 February 2018 10:35 (one year ago) Permalink

hadn't congratulated SV on his report (instead calling out a link he posted as trash, lol), so here: that's brilliant, SV

have been reading about this quite a bit recently

imago, Sunday, 18 February 2018 11:11 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

not sure how much of this will be actually "untold" but it seems worth a read.

calzino, Sunday, 17 March 2019 21:19 (two months ago) Permalink

thanks for the rec, tracked it down. (lemme know if you want a ysi)

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 18 March 2019 10:51 (two months ago) Permalink

cheers for the offer LBI, already got this one on the kindle on my next to read list.

calzino, Monday, 18 March 2019 10:57 (two months ago) Permalink


Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:30 (two months ago) Permalink

voices from chernobyl which won a nobel prize a few years ago is very good. extremely sad book.

forensic plumber (harbl), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:02 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

well Midnight In Chernobyl is definitely no voices from chernobyl. i'm surprised at what a shit writer he is - if he just stuck to what he knew it would be interesting but all the badly written scene-setting fan-fic about the chernobyl project manager's sniffing the flowers in his garden or the courtship of one of the young scientists and how his partner's eyes seemed to change colour with her mood. I've abandoned after 60 pages for now. ffs!

calzino, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:54 (one month ago) Permalink


Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 01:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Photographer Robyn Von Swank has a great account @vonswankcuriosities of interesting places she’s toured -in early March she started putting up highlights of her two trips to the Chernobyl exclusion zone. The photos are so, so good.

Starts here with Baba Ganya

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 01:29 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I fell asleep watching ep 1 of the HBO series (and was having nightmares), and what I saw was pretty gritty and horrifying. The radiation horror and bit where one of the workers looks right into the burning core was something. It's got the reliably good Jared Harris and the cast speak in their normal accents rather stupid cod-ukranian accents thankfully. Going to try this one again later

calzino, Friday, 10 May 2019 06:35 (one week ago) Permalink

I've been waiting for an evening or weekend when I'm in a really solid mood to start. I hadn't heard Jared Harris is in it, which sounds great.

mh, Friday, 10 May 2019 14:55 (one week ago) Permalink

all the resident Geiger counters only measure up to 360: "360... that is reasonable reading and it could be much worse!"

calzino, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:05 (one week ago) Permalink

can't remember the units of radiation, but you get the horrific picture.

calzino, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Like mh I'm waiting to be in a mood for this, but it's high up on my list. Very glad to hear they're not doing that awful Ukranian accent thing!

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

might need some xanax and a g'n't to face this

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 May 2019 16:55 (one week ago) Permalink

the incident happened very close to my birthday so the yearly remembrances seem somehow more relevant when they pop up

mh, Friday, 10 May 2019 19:36 (one week ago) Permalink

some of the horror in this is seeing the dickhead boss from the control room looking at glowing lumps of graphite from the exploded reactor in the grounds of the station and being too deep in the soviet denial/scapegoat game to even mention it to his minions.

calzino, Friday, 10 May 2019 19:58 (one week ago) Permalink

I'll hold back more comment until I watch the new HBO thing, but I sometimes ponder how incredibly fucked we would have been if all those people hadn't done the work to contain what they could once the situation became clear.

mh, Friday, 10 May 2019 20:16 (one week ago) Permalink

the good news is in Ararat Valley, Armenia, they still have the antiquated Metsamor nuclear plant, which is a similar model to Chernobyl but somehow still operational despite being old and fucked and in a seismic zone!

calzino, Friday, 10 May 2019 20:24 (one week ago) Permalink

2nd ep of Chernobyl builds on the good work of the first. I think that claustrophobic radiation horror at the end of the ep will give me nightmares tonight. Emily Watson/Stellan Skarsgard/Jared Harris all bringing it. There is brilliant scene with Skarsgard bluffing the lower level apparatchiks with his new-found knowledge (5mins ago in the chopper) of the make-up of RBMK reactors. Best series these useless fuckers have done in years imo.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 21:19 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah i love this show after two episodes. the horror is realised very vividly.

FernandoHierro, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 21:35 (six days ago) Permalink

"a yearly stipend of 400 roubles" for whichever fool walks into the jaws of death. Nightmare day at work today!

calzino, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 21:52 (six days ago) Permalink

"come on lads this is for russia"

"fuck it so, i could use a few extra roubles, where do i sign?"

FernandoHierro, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 22:35 (six days ago) Permalink

"For the rest of my life, you say?..."

nickn, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 22:45 (six days ago) Permalink

first episode was great, this last one was brilliant

my only problem is that i keep forgetting the names of the characters and it's difficult to refer to them by description (the apparatchik who doesn't actually know what's going on? er...
the scientist guy with glasses? er...), but that's on me

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 03:51 (five days ago) Permalink

it was quite amusing when apparatchik with fey croaky voice tries to bullshit Skarsgard character that it's the concrete that is burning. But yeah, fuck knows the names of any of this lot!

I've started the Serhii Plokhii Chernobyl book, it's much better than that Higginbotham travesty and he grew up in the Soviet Union + has a better feel for how the dysfunctional + belligerent interactions between different departments (+ add idiot bosses/unrealistic quotas/budgetary pressures to the mix) conspired towards the 2nd rateness of the reactors (bad design without safety containment to start with) and absolute inevitability of a catastrophe at some point.

calzino, Thursday, 16 May 2019 06:48 (five days ago) Permalink

Yeah I only know the characters by how they look, I guess a lot has happened in two episodes, but it seems masterfully written and acted so far. The dynamic between Harris and the minister type bloke was instantly great, like the way he seems actually quite effective within the confines of what's possible in such a system.

It's interesting seeing Gorbachev portrayed at the centre of such a system, I guess I feel all I remember about him was this heroic treatment of him in western media and even when I was at primary school, which I suppose was some bizarre lionising bullshit due to the fall of communism.

FernandoHierro, Thursday, 16 May 2019 07:17 (five days ago) Permalink

Also the whole thing looks incredible.

FernandoHierro, Thursday, 16 May 2019 07:18 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah the design is so very impressive and convincing on every scale, from the reactor to the civilian scenes, everything is so real looking. I can't still can't get that image out of my head when the worker looks right into the burning core of the reactor in ep 1, incredible scene.

calzino, Thursday, 16 May 2019 07:27 (five days ago) Permalink

I'm just getting to the bit in the book that deals with the firemen attempting to extinguish the fire on the huge shared turbine hall roof. It is actually even more horrific and chaotic than the version presented in the series. Some of the firemen are kicking lumps of radioactive graphite out of the way, not realising these little glowing lumps have already condemned lots of them to a very painful death within hours/days. Molten bitumen is practically gluing some of them to the spot. One of them describing it as worse than anything the pen of Dante could have imagined. They don't even understand the implications of the reactor core blowing open and are only trained in dealing ordinary fires, and are more concerned with the broken oil pump threatening to release 200 tonnes of machine oil onto the floor turning it into a total inferno. It is a hellish clusterfuck even before you factor in the off the scale radiation bombardment and the threat of half of Europe getting sterilised.

calzino, Sunday, 19 May 2019 09:21 (two days ago) Permalink

Just started this series, and fucking hell

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Monday, 20 May 2019 03:10 (yesterday) Permalink

I mean, having read Svetlana Alexievich's book I'm not sure why I'm doing this to myself, but here we are

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Monday, 20 May 2019 03:10 (yesterday) Permalink

Now looking at the writewr/creator's IMDB credits, and having some serious cognitive dissonance.

The Huntsman: Winter's War (written by)
2013 The Hangover Part III (written by)
2013 Identity Thief (screenplay) / (story)
2011 The Hangover Part II (written by)
2008 Superhero Movie (written by)
2006 Scary Movie 4 (screenplay) / (story)
2003 Scary Movie 3 (written by)
1998 Senseless (written by)
1997 RocketMan (screenplay) / (story)

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Monday, 20 May 2019 03:14 (yesterday) Permalink

This is like finding out Threads was a Benny Hill project

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Monday, 20 May 2019 03:15 (yesterday) Permalink

That Darn Cat 2 next?

calzino, Monday, 20 May 2019 06:55 (yesterday) Permalink

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