Bad Chappelle Bits

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“Did you see James Acaster?” “Yeah.” “Was it funny?” “No, but I agreed the fuck out of it.”

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link

That is tbf a good line

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link

Yes he does attempt some actual comedic routines but mostly it felt like really long setups that culminated in a punchline he might as well stolen from 4chan. There were like 4 bits on here where I was going “wait that’s it?”

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link

I mean, people's whole "I watched all 70 minutes of this and sat stone-faced at the absolute dearth of jokes" thing is really suspect

Yeah, based on what I'd read beforehand, I was expecting just one long, bitter rant, or some kind of angry TED Talk, but from the beginning the fact that it's a standup comedy set is pretty clear, from, you know, all the jokes.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link

xxposts There's a whole word for that!

https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link

See: Nanette.

DJI, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link

Kind of a return to "humorist" Mort Sahl type thing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link

Late period Carlin

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link

one more time around (might do it)
the day
I unbookmarked
this threaaaaaaad

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

The Rise of Clapton Comedy

Buckfast in America (Master of Treacle), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link

can’t say that knowing whether the transphobic material is couched or is not couched in jokes makes any difference whatsoever, and i personally do not care if this hateful ass material gets represented or overemphasized, fuck dave chapelle

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:09 (two years ago) link

i know that you’re all saying “fuck dave chapelle” but then this convo became about whiney owning people who listen to earwolf podcasts, not the time or the place

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:10 (two years ago) link

https://boxd.it/2cLYHR

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:11 (two years ago) link

In 2015 he was doing the standard Caitlyn jokes, even penning an entire song! In 2021 he is big-upping Orban's Hungary and calling for the violent removal of us from society because we are child-molesting rapists. i woke up today to an email from my dad to his friends demanding that local school boards be taken over everywhere to prevent trans and gender non-conforming people from raping children in school bathrooms, that school boards are the easiest point of entry to wholesale systemic takeover and that if local elections will not work, 2nd amendment solutions to the problem will have to be invoked. at least once a week i get a letter from my proud TERF father who will not help me financially as i drown but who will tell his friends loud enough so i can hear that people like me should be violently executed by vigilante mobs because the courts can't be counted on to do it right. When Dave says that he is a TERF, when he says that he stands with JK Rowling, this is explicitly what he is aligning himself with. He even says each individual word, reads a definition. Dave knows what he is doing. Dave is telling us that he wants a world where he can be and go about his life that we are not and cannot be part of and he is willing to see state power brought to bear to achieve those ends, where he does not have to see trans people or be reminded of our existence, where trans discourse is outlawed or suppressed, where the only trans medical care is conversion therapy. This is the world that Netflix wants and is actively working toward. This is the world that Dave Chappelle has put his heart, his soul, his past decade of cultural production to achieve.

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:20 (two years ago) link

Yeah. Given the timing, I got the feeling that that was as much a response to an incredibly offensive and ill-advised review of the special from another Letterboxd-er as it was a response to the special itself.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link

you’re gonna have to be more specific not that i want to read it or know anything about it

both of nathaxnne’s reviews of this are essential reading

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:35 (two years ago) link

i admit that i haven’t seen this special and have only read about it but i don’t really care

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:40 (two years ago) link

It was a review by k@liofthedolls, brad. Avoidance is probably the best recourse.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 October 2021 00:59 (two years ago) link

oh i did read that, it was awful

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 01:01 (two years ago) link

I just want to know where that suit’s from.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 14 October 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link

In view of all the many trans ilxors who've come out and have found happy encouragement and support here, anyone who explicitly puts himself on "Team TERF" is not just misguided, but an active enemy of those ilxors. You can't be their ally and find the slightest excuse for Chappelle.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 October 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link

Acaster has not made me so much as grin, ever, maybe ive missed all his good stuff

He's a British comedian, if you're expecting good stuff I wouldn't hold your breath.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 06:47 (two years ago) link

how many countries do you think have good stand-up comedians?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 06:56 (two years ago) link

My Albanian is a bit rusty.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 07:00 (two years ago) link

acaster is hilarious, and totally not nanette/bo burnham thinkpiece anti-humour imho

flopson, Thursday, 14 October 2021 07:48 (two years ago) link

^^^^ agree

Laughed myself silly to Cold Lasagne and his Netflix specials, and his Taskmaster series, and even his notorious Bake-Off episode.

The Acaster bit about the British Museum is funny but not much else imo

I watched the special last night. Oddest statement was "Everyone accepted Caitlyn Jenner when she changed her name but no one accepted Muhammed Ali when he changed his name from Cassius Clay!" uh wat

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link

It actually was a huge thing tbh

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link

Text: Everyone accepted Caitlyn Jenner when she changed her name.

Subtext: I live inside a bubble and do not know it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link

i watched the chapelle special just so no one could accuse me of not *listening* to dave chapelle as he often emphasizes in this special where he can use google well enough to learn what “terf” means but not “punching down”? exhausting. the special is not majority trans material but that’s the entire subject of the last thirty minutes and it’s fundamentally the thesis of the special so who can remember how funny the race material was (pretty funny! he used to be better though, or i used to laugh at this stuff more, who can say) or how i chuckled through his send up of “times up” bc no major reckoning with sexual abuse should be led by rich white movie stars, i’m with you there dave, also whoever called the cops on him is a cop, the lgbtq community is full of cops but fucking every community has cops in it bc society is horrible. and all of this is just a launching pad for him to say that he’s “team terf,” that he agrees with jk rowling, whose words i can’t imagine he’s dwelled on extensively, that “gender is a fact”, that he can’t even make a good point about bathroom laws without talking about how freaked out he would be at the sight of trans genitals, when i use a men’s bathroom still even though i’m a woman bc i can’t tell which one i might be harassed in *more*, that this is branded as “truth telling,” as edgy, boundary-pushing comedy when it’s just the same shit over and over again with no progression whatsoever to the talking points, god, who cares, who cares if dave chapelle loves pussy so much he can’t accept the idea of a woman without a pussy even though, of course, as the final twenty minutes reveal, he was dear friends with one, and, of course, as the final minute reveals, he is absolutely cool misgendering her because she would’ve found it hilarious. but, unfortunately, she is not here to enjoy his hilarious trans jokes, and i am, and to me they are not tremendously different from
ppl denying and denigrating my existence bc i have the temerity to call myself a woman, they’re just like, delivered with a smirk, couched in regular degular jokes so the normies keep laughing all the way home about these shitty trans ppl who won’t leave dave chapelle alone and keep telling him he’s “punching down,” and his attempt to actually reckon with this is 100 percent reactionary and like he’s digging his heels in to things he knows are wrong but he refuses to change his mind about, and it’s extra excruciating bc the bathroom bit… is so close to the fucking problem, just
stop caring so much! let ppl use the bathroom they want! stop determining someone’s womanhood based on whether they bleed or not, there are women who don’t bleed and men who do. this is a fact, this is the truth, what dave chapelle told me is not the truth, and what good is an art form, what good is being the GOAT at an art form, if you’re not going to tell people the truth (with joeks of course)

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link

xpost I mean, he's not wrong about Ali but he's falsely setting it up as a black vs LGBTQ thing, when it's prolly more of a 1966 vs 2021 thing, cf. Yasiin Bey and Yusef Islam

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link

i’m glad he said he’s not gonna tell trans jokes anymore, good for him, shame he had to talk about trans issues for 30 minutes and still be wrong about them to get to that point

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link

The question is not is he going to stop, it's why has he been repeatedly making trans "jokes" at all for the past 5 or 6 or 7 years? Again, by way of Katt Williams, the whole world is ripe for ridicule, so compulsively returning again and again to the same very specific subject at the expense of a very specific group of people at the very least betrays such a lack of creativity as a comedian it's downright embarrassing. Setting aside whether or not you should be allowed to make fun of certain groups, if you won't or can't even find a funny or funnier alternative among literally countless other subjects, then that says it all.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link

Again, he was talking about this shit at the 2015 show I saw. Black community vs. LGBTQ, trans rights, etc. For a guy that's had several specials since then, let along stand up sets, it's curious it remains a mainstay of his shows.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link

its b/c he got criticized for it and like all middle-aged standups he cannot take any form of criticism without tripling down

frogbs, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link

xpost I mean, he's not wrong about Ali but he's falsely setting it up as a black vs LGBTQ thing, when it's prolly more of a 1966 vs 2021 thing, cf. Yasiin Bey and Yusef Islam

― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:19 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the false binary shit rankles so much, have some fucking historical perspective, the kind you clearly display in so much of the work that isn’t about trans ppl

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link

xp Or, probably even less savorily, he believes that the focus on LGBTQ rights is costing advancements in Black rights.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link

In all this, I keep flashing back on this episode: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/jan/11/richard-pryor-great-meltdown-racist-hollywood-bowl

Which, nearly half a century ago, seemed to have had an exponentially smarter capacity for spitting out uncomfortable/bitter truths and cutting to the bone than anything I've seen described in this latest Netflix special.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link

Its comfortable, lazy stuff without much insight without much wit without much humour

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link

In other words, bad comedy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:32 (two years ago) link

That Richard Pryor goes a bit beyond “uncomfortable truths”:

Motherfuck women’s rights. The b*tches don’t need no rights. What they need to do is pay the people on welfare.


[Feels like it should be censored more or not at all? Idk.] It’s somewhat more understandable given the circumstances, but aside from Pryor’s well-known proclivity for coke, it’s basically rooted in the same zero-sum conception of human rights as Chappelle’s schtick.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link

I mean, his anger in that moment was for sure an uncomfortable truth.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:23 (two years ago) link

(Compared to DC's documented years if not decades stewing about how good the LGBTQ community allegedly has it.)

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link

Not just anger, but alienation.

Sometimes, as at the Hollywood Bowl, Pryor slammed into the fact that he wasn’t in Peoria any more and that he had lost that community; that no matter how large his estate in the San Fernando Valley, he would continue to feel out of place; that no matter how high he rose in Hollywood’s pecking order, his sensibility would never match up with that of its right-thinking, liberal precincts. The debacle at the Bowl left him reeling, besieged. As the controversy raged on, Pryor did not calm the waters by issuing an apology.

Instead, he continued to act out the polarities of his Hollywood Bowl performance in his own life. In the week following the gay rights benefit, he made two impulsive and startling commitments. The first was to his on-off lover Deboragh McGuire, whom he proposed to and married within the space of a few days. The second was to an experimental piece of gay theatre – a monologue by a little-known actress named Kres Mersky that nowadays would be labelled performance art, and queer performance art at that – which he included in his primetime TV show in total defiance of NBC. As part of his segue into that monologue, Pryor camped it up as Little Richard, with the high pompadour, glittering cape, and leering lusciousness that were the trademarks of Little Richard’s gender-bending style. In that costume, Pryor blew air kisses to his audience with a twinkle in his eye.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link

In my opinion, he is punching on LGB and more specifically trans people because doing so has been extremely lucrative for him (and by extension Netflix).

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

that even managed to make me feel bad about watching it

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

I mean, guessing his actual motives is admittedly Chappelle Fan Fiction, but I wager that nearly two decades being hailed as America's Great Truth Teller Revealing Our Great American Truths, he's just not used to having to respond to pressure with admitting he's actually in the wrong here? It all could have been deaded like three specials ago even if he just gave an insincere apology and moved on

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link

Zinoman:

The first time Dave Chappelle wanted to quit a TV show, he didn’t do it. After shooting the pilot of his soon-to-be-forgotten 1996 ABC sitcom, “Buddies,” an amiable comedy about an interracial friendship, the network fired his co-star Jim Breuer, which led Chappelle to tell his manager he wanted to quit.

He was talked out of it, and the show got poor reviews and was canceled after five episodes. When I interviewed one of the co-creators, Matt Williams, several years ago for an e-book about Chappelle, he told me he wished he had built more conflict between the leads. “Then you could capitalize on the charisma of Chappelle,” he said. “But he was different then. He was impish. He was playful, innocent. No danger.”

As controversy boils over Chappelle’s latest special, “The Closer,” I have been thinking about what lessons he might have learned from this early failure. At Comedy Central, he famously did quit and returned with a new mystique. In his current incarnation, he leans hard into conflict, and part of his enduring popularity is his ability to manufacture a sense of danger.

In his last special, “Sticks and Stones,” Chappelle took aim at the audience and cancel culture, made many jokes about transgender people and defended Kevin Hart, who had lost the job of hosting the Oscars because of protests over old homophobic tweets. Chappelle earned backlash, negative reviews and the sympathies of the right-wing media, which has become invested in issues of comedy and free speech in the Trump era.

OK, so what did Dave Chappelle do for his next act? Take aim at cancel culture, mock trans people and bring up the same trans friend he mentioned in the last special. By the time he defends Hart again (even if losing the Oscars was the worst injustice known to man, does it deserve two specials’ worth of protest?), you might be feeling a sense of déjà vu.

A few days before “The Closer” premiered, Chappelle predicted he would be canceled; a few days later, he appeared at the Hollywood Bowl at the premiere of his new documentary and talked again about being canceled. The fact that no one thinks Dave Chappelle will be canceled, whatever that means to you, is beside the point.

This rollout was a performance of danger. Of course, what is dangerous is an open question. “The Closer” courts outrage with dopey attacks on #MeToo, and jokes linking Asian people to Covid, but mostly with the subject he has been fixated on for years: transgender people.

When Jaclyn Moore, a showrunner for the Netflix series “Dear White People,” announced she would no longer work with the company while it produces “dangerously transphobic content,” the statement was a reference to the numbers of hate crimes against transgender people and the statistics about mental health and suicide.

There is a tendency these days to quickly conflate language and violence in discussions about controversial art, especially comedy. A punchline, even an offensive one, is not the same as a punch. And yet, it’s hard to imagine that anyone who has attended middle school (or seen a Martin Scorsese film) would not understand that jokes can contribute to a culture of bullying and abuse.

In defending Chappelle, Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix, waded into the issue of the consequences of cruel jokes by arguing that he doesn’t believe there is a relationship between art and harm. It’s a rickety platform to stand on when your company consistently puts out work that hopes to raise awareness, increase representation or move the culture. If art can do good for the world, then isn’t it possible the reverse could be true?

The fallout from “The Closer” is in some ways the most interesting thing about the special. A group of trans employees has planned a walkout on Wednesday to protest. And anger within Netflix led to a rare and fascinating leak of internal viewing numbers, revealing just how little we understand success in the era of minimal transparency by entertainment companies. According to Bloomberg, based on Netflix’s measurement of efficiency, which balances a show’s reach with its price tag, Bo Burnham’s “Inside” (which earned the comic $3.9 million) performed significantly better than “The Closer” (which cost $24.1 million).

Chappelle remains a gifted yarn-spinner who shifts from gravitas to irreverence as deftly as anyone. But judged purely by originality and construction of jokes, he’s a star in decline. There are some startlingly hack jokes, like a well-worn one about Mike Pence’s sexuality, and others about pedophilia and Covid that badly need the shock of offensiveness to make an impact.

Why has he been so fixated on transgender people for so many years now? It may be that he believes deeply that gender is a fact. Maybe he passionately wants to let us know he’s “Team TERF,” as he says in “The Closer” — an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Neither of those points come with punch lines. It could also be that he sees pushing these hot buttons as the easiest way to make a big fuss.

One of the major developments in comedy over the past decade has been the rise of comics animated by opposition to left-wing dogma and cancel culture. I have seen struggling comics boost their careers by pivoting right — or, more precisely, anti-left. There’s no question that there is a market for it. While he has lost some fans, Chappelle is a hero to this group now. In middle age, Chappelle acts less like a comic and more like a pundit. He’s far more comfortable than most of his peers in going long stretches without jokes. His recent monologues about George Floyd and the way streaming services have not compensated him for showing his sketch show were both righteous and largely without humor.

In 2006, after he left “Chappelle’s Show,” which made better arguments that jokes should be able to punch in any direction than anything he says in these specials, he proclaimed in an interview, “I feel like I’m going to be some kind of parable.” Then he said he was going to be either a legend or a tragic story.

Give Chappelle credit for this: In a climate in which people seem to get more excited about culture wars than culture, he has figured out a way to be both.

Still, I suspect the long-term impact of the last few specials will not flatter his reputation. Comedy moves fast. And right now, there are more funny transgender stand-ups getting hours ready at comedy shows in the city than ever before. The legacy of “The Closer” might be less in the jokes it makes than in the ones it inspires.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 October 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link


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