Bad Chappelle Bits

As noted elsewhere, it's telling that literally no one is talking about the jokes. Assuming there are some.

As noted elsewhere, it's telling that literally no one is talking about the jokes. Assuming there are some.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, October 13, 2021 3:22 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I still think he's super funny even though I loathe the bigotry, but to each their own obv

what would you say were your favorite jokes from the special

I thought that everything hes done since his reboot bar the standup about george floyd has been on its way to grim rather than funny or clever, and the last one before this wasnt worth the watch

If this one is where people whod stand over that one are stepping off, im happier again with the decision to not bother

Acaster has not made me so much as grin, ever, maybe ive missed all his good stuff

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idk, I liked a lot of it, Clifford, glory holes, the bathroom bill is stupid, "1980s gay face,"

Acaster has not made me so much as grin, ever

perhaps we're witnessing the evolution of observational humor into stand up comics just acting as general observers of society, like bloggers or print media columnists who occasionally venture upon an vaguely amusing witticism or two

I mean, people's whole "I watched all 70 minutes of this and sat stone-faced at the absolute dearth of jokes" thing is really suspect in the era where people listen to like seven Comedy Bang Bang knock-off podcasts a day

And, yes, that's coming from someone absolutely exhausted and disgusted at like three specials full of TERF stuff

"Hey, at least I got a few chuckles out of this klan rally, unlike the podcasts you like"... ok man whatever

yeah man, the metric fuckton of people that watched this and love Chappelle and keep him a millionaire are def in it for the blind hate, not the jokes, you got me

the blind hate is just like a bonus

people listen to like seven Comedy Bang Bang knock-off podcasts a day

― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, October 13, 2021 3:22 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Where do you even get these strawmen?

“Did you see James Acaster?” “Yeah.” “Was it funny?” “No, but I agreed the fuck out of it.”

That is tbf a good line

Yes he does attempt some actual comedic routines but mostly it felt like really long setups that culminated in a punchline he might as well stolen from 4chan. There were like 4 bits on here where I was going “wait that’s it?”

I mean, people's whole "I watched all 70 minutes of this and sat stone-faced at the absolute dearth of jokes" thing is really suspect

Yeah, based on what I'd read beforehand, I was expecting just one long, bitter rant, or some kind of angry TED Talk, but from the beginning the fact that it's a standup comedy set is pretty clear, from, you know, all the jokes.

xxposts There's a whole word for that!

https://www.vulture.com/2018/01/the-rise-of-clapter-comedy.html

See: Nanette.

Kind of a return to "humorist" Mort Sahl type thing

Late period Carlin

one more time around (might do it)
the day
I unbookmarked
this threaaaaaaad

The Rise of Clapton Comedy

can’t say that knowing whether the transphobic material is couched or is not couched in jokes makes any difference whatsoever, and i personally do not care if this hateful ass material gets represented or overemphasized, fuck dave chapelle

i know that you’re all saying “fuck dave chapelle” but then this convo became about whiney owning people who listen to earwolf podcasts, not the time or the place

https://boxd.it/2cLYHR

In 2015 he was doing the standard Caitlyn jokes, even penning an entire song! In 2021 he is big-upping Orban's Hungary and calling for the violent removal of us from society because we are child-molesting rapists. i woke up today to an email from my dad to his friends demanding that local school boards be taken over everywhere to prevent trans and gender non-conforming people from raping children in school bathrooms, that school boards are the easiest point of entry to wholesale systemic takeover and that if local elections will not work, 2nd amendment solutions to the problem will have to be invoked. at least once a week i get a letter from my proud TERF father who will not help me financially as i drown but who will tell his friends loud enough so i can hear that people like me should be violently executed by vigilante mobs because the courts can't be counted on to do it right. When Dave says that he is a TERF, when he says that he stands with JK Rowling, this is explicitly what he is aligning himself with. He even says each individual word, reads a definition. Dave knows what he is doing. Dave is telling us that he wants a world where he can be and go about his life that we are not and cannot be part of and he is willing to see state power brought to bear to achieve those ends, where he does not have to see trans people or be reminded of our existence, where trans discourse is outlawed or suppressed, where the only trans medical care is conversion therapy. This is the world that Netflix wants and is actively working toward. This is the world that Dave Chappelle has put his heart, his soul, his past decade of cultural production to achieve.

Yeah. Given the timing, I got the feeling that that was as much a response to an incredibly offensive and ill-advised review of the special from another Letterboxd-er as it was a response to the special itself.

you’re gonna have to be more specific not that i want to read it or know anything about it

both of nathaxnne’s reviews of this are essential reading

i admit that i haven’t seen this special and have only read about it but i don’t really care

It was a review by k@liofthedolls, brad. Avoidance is probably the best recourse.

oh i did read that, it was awful

I just want to know where that suit’s from.

In view of all the many trans ilxors who've come out and have found happy encouragement and support here, anyone who explicitly puts himself on "Team TERF" is not just misguided, but an active enemy of those ilxors. You can't be their ally and find the slightest excuse for Chappelle.

Acaster has not made me so much as grin, ever, maybe ive missed all his good stuff

He's a British comedian, if you're expecting good stuff I wouldn't hold your breath.

how many countries do you think have good stand-up comedians?

My Albanian is a bit rusty.

acaster is hilarious, and totally not nanette/bo burnham thinkpiece anti-humour imho

^^^^ agree

Laughed myself silly to Cold Lasagne and his Netflix specials, and his Taskmaster series, and even his notorious Bake-Off episode.

The Acaster bit about the British Museum is funny but not much else imo

I watched the special last night. Oddest statement was "Everyone accepted Caitlyn Jenner when she changed her name but no one accepted Muhammed Ali when he changed his name from Cassius Clay!" uh wat

It actually was a huge thing tbh

Text: Everyone accepted Caitlyn Jenner when she changed her name.

Subtext: I live inside a bubble and do not know it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Ernie_Terrell

i watched the chapelle special just so no one could accuse me of not *listening* to dave chapelle as he often emphasizes in this special where he can use google well enough to learn what “terf” means but not “punching down”? exhausting. the special is not majority trans material but that’s the entire subject of the last thirty minutes and it’s fundamentally the thesis of the special so who can remember how funny the race material was (pretty funny! he used to be better though, or i used to laugh at this stuff more, who can say) or how i chuckled through his send up of “times up” bc no major reckoning with sexual abuse should be led by rich white movie stars, i’m with you there dave, also whoever called the cops on him is a cop, the lgbtq community is full of cops but fucking every community has cops in it bc society is horrible. and all of this is just a launching pad for him to say that he’s “team terf,” that he agrees with jk rowling, whose words i can’t imagine he’s dwelled on extensively, that “gender is a fact”, that he can’t even make a good point about bathroom laws without talking about how freaked out he would be at the sight of trans genitals, when i use a men’s bathroom still even though i’m a woman bc i can’t tell which one i might be harassed in *more*, that this is branded as “truth telling,” as edgy, boundary-pushing comedy when it’s just the same shit over and over again with no progression whatsoever to the talking points, god, who cares, who cares if dave chapelle loves pussy so much he can’t accept the idea of a woman without a pussy even though, of course, as the final twenty minutes reveal, he was dear friends with one, and, of course, as the final minute reveals, he is absolutely cool misgendering her because she would’ve found it hilarious. but, unfortunately, she is not here to enjoy his hilarious trans jokes, and i am, and to me they are not tremendously different from
ppl denying and denigrating my existence bc i have the temerity to call myself a woman, they’re just like, delivered with a smirk, couched in regular degular jokes so the normies keep laughing all the way home about these shitty trans ppl who won’t leave dave chapelle alone and keep telling him he’s “punching down,” and his attempt to actually reckon with this is 100 percent reactionary and like he’s digging his heels in to things he knows are wrong but he refuses to change his mind about, and it’s extra excruciating bc the bathroom bit… is so close to the fucking problem, just
stop caring so much! let ppl use the bathroom they want! stop determining someone’s womanhood based on whether they bleed or not, there are women who don’t bleed and men who do. this is a fact, this is the truth, what dave chapelle told me is not the truth, and what good is an art form, what good is being the GOAT at an art form, if you’re not going to tell people the truth (with joeks of course)

xpost I mean, he's not wrong about Ali but he's falsely setting it up as a black vs LGBTQ thing, when it's prolly more of a 1966 vs 2021 thing, cf. Yasiin Bey and Yusef Islam

i’m glad he said he’s not gonna tell trans jokes anymore, good for him, shame he had to talk about trans issues for 30 minutes and still be wrong about them to get to that point

The question is not is he going to stop, it's why has he been repeatedly making trans "jokes" at all for the past 5 or 6 or 7 years? Again, by way of Katt Williams, the whole world is ripe for ridicule, so compulsively returning again and again to the same very specific subject at the expense of a very specific group of people at the very least betrays such a lack of creativity as a comedian it's downright embarrassing. Setting aside whether or not you should be allowed to make fun of certain groups, if you won't or can't even find a funny or funnier alternative among literally countless other subjects, then that says it all.

Again, he was talking about this shit at the 2015 show I saw. Black community vs. LGBTQ, trans rights, etc. For a guy that's had several specials since then, let along stand up sets, it's curious it remains a mainstay of his shows.

its b/c he got criticized for it and like all middle-aged standups he cannot take any form of criticism without tripling down

xpost I mean, he's not wrong about Ali but he's falsely setting it up as a black vs LGBTQ thing, when it's prolly more of a 1966 vs 2021 thing, cf. Yasiin Bey and Yusef Islam

― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:19 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the false binary shit rankles so much, have some fucking historical perspective, the kind you clearly display in so much of the work that isn’t about trans ppl