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I hate to be the one to bring it up but it has to be said:

-Lil' Jon. I love Lil' Jon so loved this idea. . .the first time. Then it was overkill.

-Keeping it Real. The "Granny, no!" bit was good but the rest of the piece was snoozville.

more.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

The blind Klan member. Kinda funny at first, but went on WAY too long.

Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the Klan member one was one of the best. But agree the Keeping it Real wasnt good. The internet one had a lot more potential, but I probably only say that because look Im on the internet, and I thought the Lil Jon one was a lot more hilarious after I heard that new Usher song he produced and yes, he does talked EXACTLY like that on the track.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

That was the only episode I saw. Haven't watched since.

maypang (maypang), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I listen to all Lil' Jon's shit. It was funny at first.

May, that was the most recent ep so there's nothing for you to have seen since. Give it another shot though b/c that is far from the best this season.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Lil John bits were hilarious... I loved that kept going on and on.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 04:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the first season was much more uneven. things have improved with this one.

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 08:53 (seventeen years ago) link

That Rick James thing was too long. The promos were funny. The show was dull.

Dave singing "Diff'rent Strokes" was great because at the end of the song he said "I was the Gooch."

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Like the early Saturday Night Live stuff, I think that in a few years everyone will look at even the weak stuff he has done and see the genius in it. The first season was full of rough edges but so what? I am not being contrary here, I just remember that stuff like Samurai Deli and "What the Hell is That?" were almost painfull at first viewing, but now reveal themselves to be classic. To me the Charlie Murphy stuff deserves its own half hour. Then again I think Dave's show should be an hour.

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the "Granny no!" part is a great moment in a bad skit. A good dose of Dave's purposefully bad acting has saved many a skit.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Samurai Deli. It was genius b/c the classic comedy narrative of setup, punchline etc were just abruptly done away with CHOP, SLICE!!!! like some kind of dadaist anti-comedy. And the failure, or shredding, of expectations for what you'd see in a normal comedy sketch mirrored the kind of startling misunderstandings just waiting to occur between a slightly uptight customer visiting a store run by an immigrant. It's understandable they'd try and replicate the success of those sketches, but continuing to do so after practically 20 years is just fucked. "If it's not scottish it's crap" etc puke puke.

btw Dave Chappelle rocks and you r all gay for even having the privilege of selecting bits that don't quite work :(

Tracer Hand in London (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Stuart (Stuart), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

No, the Chappelle hate begins!

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Btw, does anyone have the dvd, and could tell me which musical performances they ended up including?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

first season is out on DVD innit?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the DVD .. in fact, I watched it last night. We watched the first disc and didn't see any performances. It's weird. Each episode is like 15 minutes long.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's possible they didn't have the rights to include the musical guests on the DVD. (Which would cut its intrinsic value by half).

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose. I never really liked the musical performances. I want more comedy, dammit.

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm...I did hear that they cut out some for rights reasons (like the Roots), but I thought they kept some in. I think the performances are cool, not just because I like the artists but because they always seemed to put them in some cool, informal setting (like Busta in the all white room with all the cameras, crew etc. in full view or Talib on the waterfront in Brooklyn).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

To me the Charlie Murphy stuff deserves its own half hour.

Definitely. Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories deserves a full series (with Chappelle in it of course). I'm sure they could get an entire season out of Rick James alone...

(anyone who han't seen them, this nice person has DivX copies to DL)

mmmmsalt (Graeme), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

That Rick James thing was too long.

It was not long enough.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

It was a bit long, imo. I love Chappelle but the "XXXXXXXXX, bitch!" gimmick can get old. (see: most ilx posts)

dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"Game. Blouses."

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the charlie murphy bits are pure brilliance.

and yeah an hour is needed.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I only saw this show for the first time last week (my friend Dave had a couple episodes on tape) and I will be DAMNED if I'm going to start hating already. All the skits mentioned (well, the one's that I've seen) made me laugh. Hell, the Lil Jon skit made me finally appreciate "Damn!" (which before I found kind of generic....OKAY!!!)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait. I'll hate on the musical parts. It's like a scary reminder that he means well.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I know the performance of Mos Def in the car is on the DVD. I like it, but it's really short.
I just have to say that I think the Mad Real World is really funny, esp Dave as Tron

Mitchell (Mitchell), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It was a bit long, imo. I love Chappelle but the "XXXXXXXXX, bitch!" gimmick can get old. (see: most ilx posts)

now lets not exclude everyday conversation with this, either.

its only funny when I do it, anyways.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 4 March 2004 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to know why Lil' Jon is always wearing a cap from my alma mater. I mean, he's from the ATL?

that last bit was pretty good.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I am intrigued by the sound of this show.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you, the nedfox.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, that monologue from tonight's "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" = SO FUCKING CLASSIC.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

agreed. that was much better than last weeks.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm, kayne. . .i'm really not pro-the music bit. more comedy please! I mean, shit, I could watch 106 and Park if I wanted to see this shit.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

And his World Series of Dice character with the Bogart-lip cig better become a recurring character

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you, the nedfox.

I like that! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah it's only a half-hour show and one whole segment is taken up by music guests? damn lazy stoner can't write enough material to fill a whole show.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link

although i have to say this kitchen setting with the second MC cooking somehting in the background when he's not on the mic is pretty good.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

What season is it in, now?

I'm a fan of the show but regularly tune in. Chappelle is my all time favorite racist, for Half Baked alone. Genius.

I always laugh out loud at at least ONE thing in the show. The only other thing that makes me laugh out loud without fail is The Onion.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 4 March 2004 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the second season.

and I hope you're joking about the "racist" bit.

Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 4 March 2004 04:35 (seventeen years ago) link

haha keep it real, sam

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

"WU-TANG!"

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

diversify your bonds, nigga

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Clackity clackity * 50.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 March 2004 05:52 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Making the Band and the beer commercial were weak, but Snoop's 'Dangle' made up for any shortcomings in the episode..

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

worst episode ever, huh? missed the first sketch, but my friends agreed with milo that it was lame.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope they aren't running out of the funny already. The Oprah skit wasn't that great, two bad ones this week, Lil' Jon got old quick.

But the puppets had me rolling. Maybe it's juvenile, the show is weakest when he holds back on the offensive content.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I remember laughing somewhat often last week. I also think I remember being a bit tipsy.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I just want to know where that suit’s from.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 14 October 2021 01:31 (one week ago) link

In view of all the many trans ilxors who've come out and have found happy encouragement and support here, anyone who explicitly puts himself on "Team TERF" is not just misguided, but an active enemy of those ilxors. You can't be their ally and find the slightest excuse for Chappelle.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 October 2021 01:32 (one week ago) link

Acaster has not made me so much as grin, ever, maybe ive missed all his good stuff

He's a British comedian, if you're expecting good stuff I wouldn't hold your breath.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 06:47 (one week ago) link

how many countries do you think have good stand-up comedians?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2021 06:56 (one week ago) link

My Albanian is a bit rusty.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 07:00 (one week ago) link

acaster is hilarious, and totally not nanette/bo burnham thinkpiece anti-humour imho

flopson, Thursday, 14 October 2021 07:48 (one week ago) link

^^^^ agree

Laughed myself silly to Cold Lasagne and his Netflix specials, and his Taskmaster series, and even his notorious Bake-Off episode.

The Acaster bit about the British Museum is funny but not much else imo

I watched the special last night. Oddest statement was "Everyone accepted Caitlyn Jenner when she changed her name but no one accepted Muhammed Ali when he changed his name from Cassius Clay!" uh wat

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:10 (one week ago) link

It actually was a huge thing tbh

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:13 (one week ago) link

Text: Everyone accepted Caitlyn Jenner when she changed her name.

Subtext: I live inside a bubble and do not know it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:14 (one week ago) link

i watched the chapelle special just so no one could accuse me of not *listening* to dave chapelle as he often emphasizes in this special where he can use google well enough to learn what “terf” means but not “punching down”? exhausting. the special is not majority trans material but that’s the entire subject of the last thirty minutes and it’s fundamentally the thesis of the special so who can remember how funny the race material was (pretty funny! he used to be better though, or i used to laugh at this stuff more, who can say) or how i chuckled through his send up of “times up” bc no major reckoning with sexual abuse should be led by rich white movie stars, i’m with you there dave, also whoever called the cops on him is a cop, the lgbtq community is full of cops but fucking every community has cops in it bc society is horrible. and all of this is just a launching pad for him to say that he’s “team terf,” that he agrees with jk rowling, whose words i can’t imagine he’s dwelled on extensively, that “gender is a fact”, that he can’t even make a good point about bathroom laws without talking about how freaked out he would be at the sight of trans genitals, when i use a men’s bathroom still even though i’m a woman bc i can’t tell which one i might be harassed in *more*, that this is branded as “truth telling,” as edgy, boundary-pushing comedy when it’s just the same shit over and over again with no progression whatsoever to the talking points, god, who cares, who cares if dave chapelle loves pussy so much he can’t accept the idea of a woman without a pussy even though, of course, as the final twenty minutes reveal, he was dear friends with one, and, of course, as the final minute reveals, he is absolutely cool misgendering her because she would’ve found it hilarious. but, unfortunately, she is not here to enjoy his hilarious trans jokes, and i am, and to me they are not tremendously different from
ppl denying and denigrating my existence bc i have the temerity to call myself a woman, they’re just like, delivered with a smirk, couched in regular degular jokes so the normies keep laughing all the way home about these shitty trans ppl who won’t leave dave chapelle alone and keep telling him he’s “punching down,” and his attempt to actually reckon with this is 100 percent reactionary and like he’s digging his heels in to things he knows are wrong but he refuses to change his mind about, and it’s extra excruciating bc the bathroom bit… is so close to the fucking problem, just
stop caring so much! let ppl use the bathroom they want! stop determining someone’s womanhood based on whether they bleed or not, there are women who don’t bleed and men who do. this is a fact, this is the truth, what dave chapelle told me is not the truth, and what good is an art form, what good is being the GOAT at an art form, if you’re not going to tell people the truth (with joeks of course)

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:15 (one week ago) link

xpost I mean, he's not wrong about Ali but he's falsely setting it up as a black vs LGBTQ thing, when it's prolly more of a 1966 vs 2021 thing, cf. Yasiin Bey and Yusef Islam

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:19 (one week ago) link

i’m glad he said he’s not gonna tell trans jokes anymore, good for him, shame he had to talk about trans issues for 30 minutes and still be wrong about them to get to that point

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:19 (one week ago) link

The question is not is he going to stop, it's why has he been repeatedly making trans "jokes" at all for the past 5 or 6 or 7 years? Again, by way of Katt Williams, the whole world is ripe for ridicule, so compulsively returning again and again to the same very specific subject at the expense of a very specific group of people at the very least betrays such a lack of creativity as a comedian it's downright embarrassing. Setting aside whether or not you should be allowed to make fun of certain groups, if you won't or can't even find a funny or funnier alternative among literally countless other subjects, then that says it all.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:25 (one week ago) link

Again, he was talking about this shit at the 2015 show I saw. Black community vs. LGBTQ, trans rights, etc. For a guy that's had several specials since then, let along stand up sets, it's curious it remains a mainstay of his shows.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:27 (one week ago) link

its b/c he got criticized for it and like all middle-aged standups he cannot take any form of criticism without tripling down

frogbs, Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:36 (one week ago) link

xpost I mean, he's not wrong about Ali but he's falsely setting it up as a black vs LGBTQ thing, when it's prolly more of a 1966 vs 2021 thing, cf. Yasiin Bey and Yusef Islam

― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:19 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the false binary shit rankles so much, have some fucking historical perspective, the kind you clearly display in so much of the work that isn’t about trans ppl

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:37 (one week ago) link

xp Or, probably even less savorily, he believes that the focus on LGBTQ rights is costing advancements in Black rights.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:38 (one week ago) link

In all this, I keep flashing back on this episode: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/jan/11/richard-pryor-great-meltdown-racist-hollywood-bowl

Which, nearly half a century ago, seemed to have had an exponentially smarter capacity for spitting out uncomfortable/bitter truths and cutting to the bone than anything I've seen described in this latest Netflix special.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 18:40 (one week ago) link

Its comfortable, lazy stuff without much insight without much wit without much humour

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:14 (one week ago) link

In other words, bad comedy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:32 (one week ago) link

That Richard Pryor goes a bit beyond “uncomfortable truths”:

Motherfuck women’s rights. The b*tches don’t need no rights. What they need to do is pay the people on welfare.


[Feels like it should be censored more or not at all? Idk.] It’s somewhat more understandable given the circumstances, but aside from Pryor’s well-known proclivity for coke, it’s basically rooted in the same zero-sum conception of human rights as Chappelle’s schtick.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:45 (one week ago) link

I mean, his anger in that moment was for sure an uncomfortable truth.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:23 (one week ago) link

(Compared to DC's documented years if not decades stewing about how good the LGBTQ community allegedly has it.)

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:24 (one week ago) link

Not just anger, but alienation.

Sometimes, as at the Hollywood Bowl, Pryor slammed into the fact that he wasn’t in Peoria any more and that he had lost that community; that no matter how large his estate in the San Fernando Valley, he would continue to feel out of place; that no matter how high he rose in Hollywood’s pecking order, his sensibility would never match up with that of its right-thinking, liberal precincts. The debacle at the Bowl left him reeling, besieged. As the controversy raged on, Pryor did not calm the waters by issuing an apology.

Instead, he continued to act out the polarities of his Hollywood Bowl performance in his own life. In the week following the gay rights benefit, he made two impulsive and startling commitments. The first was to his on-off lover Deboragh McGuire, whom he proposed to and married within the space of a few days. The second was to an experimental piece of gay theatre – a monologue by a little-known actress named Kres Mersky that nowadays would be labelled performance art, and queer performance art at that – which he included in his primetime TV show in total defiance of NBC. As part of his segue into that monologue, Pryor camped it up as Little Richard, with the high pompadour, glittering cape, and leering lusciousness that were the trademarks of Little Richard’s gender-bending style. In that costume, Pryor blew air kisses to his audience with a twinkle in his eye.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:47 (one week ago) link

In my opinion, he is punching on LGB and more specifically trans people because doing so has been extremely lucrative for him (and by extension Netflix).

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:55 (one week ago) link

that even managed to make me feel bad about watching it

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:55 (one week ago) link

I mean, guessing his actual motives is admittedly Chappelle Fan Fiction, but I wager that nearly two decades being hailed as America's Great Truth Teller Revealing Our Great American Truths, he's just not used to having to respond to pressure with admitting he's actually in the wrong here? It all could have been deaded like three specials ago even if he just gave an insincere apology and moved on

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 21:04 (one week ago) link

Zinoman:

The first time Dave Chappelle wanted to quit a TV show, he didn’t do it. After shooting the pilot of his soon-to-be-forgotten 1996 ABC sitcom, “Buddies,” an amiable comedy about an interracial friendship, the network fired his co-star Jim Breuer, which led Chappelle to tell his manager he wanted to quit.

He was talked out of it, and the show got poor reviews and was canceled after five episodes. When I interviewed one of the co-creators, Matt Williams, several years ago for an e-book about Chappelle, he told me he wished he had built more conflict between the leads. “Then you could capitalize on the charisma of Chappelle,” he said. “But he was different then. He was impish. He was playful, innocent. No danger.”

As controversy boils over Chappelle’s latest special, “The Closer,” I have been thinking about what lessons he might have learned from this early failure. At Comedy Central, he famously did quit and returned with a new mystique. In his current incarnation, he leans hard into conflict, and part of his enduring popularity is his ability to manufacture a sense of danger.

In his last special, “Sticks and Stones,” Chappelle took aim at the audience and cancel culture, made many jokes about transgender people and defended Kevin Hart, who had lost the job of hosting the Oscars because of protests over old homophobic tweets. Chappelle earned backlash, negative reviews and the sympathies of the right-wing media, which has become invested in issues of comedy and free speech in the Trump era.

OK, so what did Dave Chappelle do for his next act? Take aim at cancel culture, mock trans people and bring up the same trans friend he mentioned in the last special. By the time he defends Hart again (even if losing the Oscars was the worst injustice known to man, does it deserve two specials’ worth of protest?), you might be feeling a sense of déjà vu.

A few days before “The Closer” premiered, Chappelle predicted he would be canceled; a few days later, he appeared at the Hollywood Bowl at the premiere of his new documentary and talked again about being canceled. The fact that no one thinks Dave Chappelle will be canceled, whatever that means to you, is beside the point.

This rollout was a performance of danger. Of course, what is dangerous is an open question. “The Closer” courts outrage with dopey attacks on #MeToo, and jokes linking Asian people to Covid, but mostly with the subject he has been fixated on for years: transgender people.

When Jaclyn Moore, a showrunner for the Netflix series “Dear White People,” announced she would no longer work with the company while it produces “dangerously transphobic content,” the statement was a reference to the numbers of hate crimes against transgender people and the statistics about mental health and suicide.

There is a tendency these days to quickly conflate language and violence in discussions about controversial art, especially comedy. A punchline, even an offensive one, is not the same as a punch. And yet, it’s hard to imagine that anyone who has attended middle school (or seen a Martin Scorsese film) would not understand that jokes can contribute to a culture of bullying and abuse.

In defending Chappelle, Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix, waded into the issue of the consequences of cruel jokes by arguing that he doesn’t believe there is a relationship between art and harm. It’s a rickety platform to stand on when your company consistently puts out work that hopes to raise awareness, increase representation or move the culture. If art can do good for the world, then isn’t it possible the reverse could be true?

The fallout from “The Closer” is in some ways the most interesting thing about the special. A group of trans employees has planned a walkout on Wednesday to protest. And anger within Netflix led to a rare and fascinating leak of internal viewing numbers, revealing just how little we understand success in the era of minimal transparency by entertainment companies. According to Bloomberg, based on Netflix’s measurement of efficiency, which balances a show’s reach with its price tag, Bo Burnham’s “Inside” (which earned the comic $3.9 million) performed significantly better than “The Closer” (which cost $24.1 million).

Chappelle remains a gifted yarn-spinner who shifts from gravitas to irreverence as deftly as anyone. But judged purely by originality and construction of jokes, he’s a star in decline. There are some startlingly hack jokes, like a well-worn one about Mike Pence’s sexuality, and others about pedophilia and Covid that badly need the shock of offensiveness to make an impact.

Why has he been so fixated on transgender people for so many years now? It may be that he believes deeply that gender is a fact. Maybe he passionately wants to let us know he’s “Team TERF,” as he says in “The Closer” — an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Neither of those points come with punch lines. It could also be that he sees pushing these hot buttons as the easiest way to make a big fuss.

One of the major developments in comedy over the past decade has been the rise of comics animated by opposition to left-wing dogma and cancel culture. I have seen struggling comics boost their careers by pivoting right — or, more precisely, anti-left. There’s no question that there is a market for it. While he has lost some fans, Chappelle is a hero to this group now. In middle age, Chappelle acts less like a comic and more like a pundit. He’s far more comfortable than most of his peers in going long stretches without jokes. His recent monologues about George Floyd and the way streaming services have not compensated him for showing his sketch show were both righteous and largely without humor.

In 2006, after he left “Chappelle’s Show,” which made better arguments that jokes should be able to punch in any direction than anything he says in these specials, he proclaimed in an interview, “I feel like I’m going to be some kind of parable.” Then he said he was going to be either a legend or a tragic story.

Give Chappelle credit for this: In a climate in which people seem to get more excited about culture wars than culture, he has figured out a way to be both.

Still, I suspect the long-term impact of the last few specials will not flatter his reputation. Comedy moves fast. And right now, there are more funny transgender stand-ups getting hours ready at comedy shows in the city than ever before. The legacy of “The Closer” might be less in the jokes it makes than in the ones it inspires.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 October 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

In defending Chappelle, Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix, waded into the issue of the consequences of cruel jokes by arguing that he doesn’t believe there is a relationship between art and harm.

somebody tell this guy what propaganda is

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:06 (one week ago) link

How did it cost $24 million to make that special

frogbs, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:26 (one week ago) link

dave’s fee

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:27 (one week ago) link

Damn that’s like 8 million a punchline

frogbs, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:33 (one week ago) link

in the wake of norm macdonald’s death i saw some quote from him that was like, if the audience doesn’t find my jokes funny, that’s their fault, because i’m the comedy expert. i guess they all believe that

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:05 (one week ago) link

“why are y’all booing, i’m right”

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:06 (one week ago) link

i’m sure the specials do pretty well. there’s a big audience for chappelle and a big audience for bigotry. netflix executives keep saying their objective is to “please their audience” so by definition the chappelle special works for them. and they try to get out of the fact that it’s bigoted by saying hey, we have all this pro-trans content too. we have a diverse universe of content. it’s a pathetic defence. “we serve lots of food here. only a little bit of it is deadly poison. and in fact the poison is pretty popular.”

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:23 (one week ago) link

One of the major developments in comedy over the past decade has been the rise of comics animated by opposition to left-wing dogma and cancel culture. I have seen struggling comics boost their careers by pivoting right — or, more precisely, anti-left.

This is happening over here too.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:41 (one week ago) link

i’m sure the specials do pretty well. there’s a big audience for chappelle and a big audience for bigotry. netflix executives keep saying their objective is to “please their audience” so by definition the chappelle special works for them. and they try to get out of the fact that it’s bigoted by saying hey, we have all this pro-trans content too. we have a diverse universe of content. it’s a pathetic defence. “we serve lots of food here. only a little bit of it is deadly poison. and in fact the poison is pretty popular.”

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, October 16, 2021 12:23 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's insidious in two ways. One is that the controversy surrounding the special is so obviously a marketing tool, turning what I think is important discussions about comedy and bigotries into something that just serves the bottom line of Netflix shareholders (and Chappelle's future cheques). And also since the marketing tool IS the discussion, it's inescapable. I have been working 70 hours weeks and other than The Squid Game, The Closer is the only other 'content' I've heard about these past few weeks, and no matter what you think of Chapelle or this special, all of his ideas are transmitted regardless of seeing the special.

I have been a proponent of the notion that if you are not the audience then the best thing you can do is to tune out, but you can't, because Netflix and Chappelle want to make as much money as possible by being everywhere to market their content. Unless you black out from media altogether, you gotta participate in the discussion. I can only imagine how hurtful it can be to trans people who don't want to participate. I mean I don't want to participate in it and I find it exhausting and it does not even concern me. Then Chappelle has the supreme bad faith of calling himself 'canceled' when he got what is possibly the biggest platform a comedian as ever had.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 16 October 2021 19:05 (one week ago) link

Chapelle actually reading the "dictionary definition" of feminism like a fuckin fedora reply guy was a particularly pathetic moment

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 October 2021 19:56 (one week ago) link

Maybe I shouldn’t mention it but whenever I get into the car it seems that one of the Comedy Channels is on and I end up hearing what suspiciously sounds like an (anti-)#MeToo comic and I get (more) depressed or angry.

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 17:23 (one week ago) link

Unless you black out from media altogether

from like, all media? or just streaming video services? because the latter is actually not that hard. it's pretty easy to avoid big corporate-suit media if you want to, but you have to actually want to.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 17 October 2021 17:30 (one week ago) link

what are these Comedy Channels in the car? is this a Sirius thing?

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:18 (one week ago) link

Yes. I don’t know which is worse, tbh, the Comedy Channel or the Politics Channel, or whatever it’s called, which seems to be the other alternative, at least when I play Russian Roulette with the ignition key.

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:35 (one week ago) link

As if there weren’t enough reasons to ban cars

siffleur’s mom (wins), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:42 (one week ago) link

OTMFM. Whip it on me, wins!

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:44 (one week ago) link

An editorial that ran in Variety in July 1945. pic.twitter.com/zA66lRhElO

— Kliph Nesteroff (@ClassicShowbiz) October 18, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 18 October 2021 20:35 (one week ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/11/01/the-power-of-dave-chappelles-comedy-netflix-the-closer

In 2005, Chappelle walked away from a reported fifty-million-dollar contract with Comedy Central for two additional seasons of “Chappelle’s Show,” his sketch-comedy series. Years later, he explained that he’d been conflicted about the effect of his brand of racial humor, which relied heavily on enacting stereotypes in order to ridicule them. He had begun to wonder whether his audience got the second, more subtle layer of his work, or whether it was entertained purely by the stereotypes. Chappelle, as he told David Letterman, was attuned to nuances in his work that it would have been more convenient (and more lucrative) to ignore. There was always the risk, in riffing on the racial absurdities of American culture, of reinforcing rather than undermining them. The absence of concern of this kind about “The Closer” is striking, and suggests that Chappelle’s line about being rich and famous is more significant to the controversy than has been noted. Onstage, he refers to himself as the man who walked away from fifty million dollars, but the credibility he derived from that act sixteen years ago is now being deployed defensively and cynically, as if to place above suspicion any possible motive for telling denigrating jokes about trans people. He is also the man who walked into a reported sixty-million-dollar Netflix deal.

In 2005, it meant something for a Black man to reject an enormous pile of money in the name of integrity. The past two weeks reiterated a contrasting point: that Black men, too, can be invested in the prerogatives that wealth purchases. Earlier this year, Netflix removed old episodes of “Chappelle’s Show” from the platform at the comedian’s request, forgoing the revenue it would have reaped, after he called the contract that allowed Comedy Central to profit from the show more than a decade and a half after its release exploitative. Sarandos has dismissed requests from trans employees that “The Closer” be removed.

Days after “The Closer” aired, Chappelle performed at a sold-out event at the Hollywood Bowl, before an audience that included Nas, Lizzo, Stevie Wonder, Brad Pitt, and Tiffany Haddish. He remains powerful and influential, despite the protests from a comparatively small community of activists and their supporters. The turbulence around “The Closer” will, in all likelihood, amount to just another speed bump in Chappelle’s path. In gliding through this situation, he has emphasized a fact about power that was never particularly noteworthy. Because the one thing that has not been cancelled is the check.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:58 (yesterday) link

^ jelani cobb almost always worth a read imo

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:59 (yesterday) link


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