David Peace, Novelist

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It's hometime in the UK so this'll get slept on. But this guy looksinteresting -- did the 'West Riding Quartet' of books loosely abt the Yorkshire Ripper, was on the Granta Hott List, lives in Tokyo, and has just publihsed a book set during the 84-5 Miners' Strike. Any opinions either way?

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

GB84. Read it now. Oh, you can't - it's not out for another fortnight.

::hugs own proof copy like a miser::

suzy (suzy), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Erm, I saw it in Waterstone's window this very lunch break...

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Me too!

(But not in Waterstone's.)

So much for hipsters.

I am with NRQ: the book looks interesting to me.

the blissfox, Friday, 27 February 2004 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Seen it in Borders earlier this week...

I've only so far read the first of the West Riding Quartet; 1974. A very effective, bleak style; all short, harsh sentences, and a great sense of the journalist character's mind working through the first person style. I think perhaps that once some answers had to be produced late on in the novel, it lost a little bit of the haunting quality, but it still worked. It was overall a very disturbing portrayal of the north, and specifically West Yorkshire... and I look forward to reading the other 3 books. And GB84 indeed; it sounds very interesting. The Miner's Strike could well be even more effective a setting as the Yorkshire Ripper killings [though admittedly '1974' doesn't specifically reference this, iirc] and police corruption.

Tom May (Tom May), Friday, 27 February 2004 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

haha so much for publication dates!

I'm not a hipster, I'm a literary editor...

suzy (suzy), Friday, 27 February 2004 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

that looks good.

jed_, Thursday, 8 January 2009 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked Tokyo Year Zero -- only thing I've read by him so far.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 January 2009 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link

heard about this dude on, ulp, k-punk, sounds really interesting

goole, Thursday, 8 January 2009 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I started Tokyo Year Zero but I couldn't figure out what the heck was going on. Maybe I'll give it another try.

ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 January 2009 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Not only is GB84 epic and important; it is also now available, in large trade paperback format, for £2 by the counter in Fopp at Cambridge Circus.

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Love this author, would take GB84 over The Damned Utd on balance, although still stoked for the TDU movie.

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd love to have been able to read The Damned Utd from the persepctive of having no knowledge of football or who Brian Clough was, wonder how it would read

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I hope we can have a really benign, benevolent fiction soon about Nigel Clough's harmonious future as coach at Derby County.

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't get on with Tokyo Year Zero either (incredibly bleak and very stylised), but I want to read his other stuff.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link

no knowledge of football

That'll be me, then. I've read, and loved, 1974, so maybe I'll give The Damned Utd a go next.

nate woolls, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh good, let us know what you think!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link

from what I've read of Tokyo Year Zero so far, it practically starts off as intricate and confusing as the Red Riding ones get at the end when shit is getting real

Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

The only concern I have about Peace: is he some Momus-level Wapanese fuck or what?

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean after he writes his gritty Yorkshire tales, does he spend the evening being fed pocky by giggling prostitutes dressed as schoolgirls?

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link

that would be about .4 on the Momus scale, presumably

he still comes across as more obsessed with Yorkshire than anything

maybe he should do a CROSSOVER

Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I think he has a wife and a couple of young children to support, in Tokyo; I don't see him living it up.

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link

psh, probably talking about him supporting the wife is daft: whoever she is, she probably has a steadier income than he does. It's true about the bairns though, I think.

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Picked up that £2 outsize GB84. The trouble with such cheapness, everywhere, is that it now has to take its place in a pile of about two hundred similar unread acquisitions

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Timely revive - someone gave me The Damned United for Christmas, I was going to ask ILE about it. So it's good, then?

Matt DC, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd love to have been able to read The Damned Utd from the persepctive of having no knowledge of football or who Brian Clough was, wonder how it would read

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:07 (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

I did this as much as is humanly possible and loved it. Bought it for my mum for Xmas and she loved it too.

Enrique (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link

I've only read GB84; it was brutally perfect. I have Tokyo Year Zero but haven't ever felt in the mood to begin it ...

I'd love to have been able to read The Damned Utd from the persepctive of having no knowledge of football or who Brian Clough was, wonder how it would read

... having only the vaguest and sketchiest knowledge of Brian Clough, and caring so little about football that I can't actually think of a suitably dismissive metaphor, I'm obviously an ideal case study! A pal did suggest to me that lack of football knowledge wouldn't matter at all; that said, it's a book that obviously doesn't have immediate appeal for me.

Anyway. Intrigued by the RR books being made into TV. Anyone read them?

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Timely revive - someone gave me The Damned United for Christmas, I was going to ask ILE about it. So it's good, then?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:52 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, I'd suggest reading it followed by http://www.amazon.co.uk/Provided-You-Dont-Kiss-Me/dp/0007247109, kinda like when TV stations bookend a movie with a documentary about the issues discussed.

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I had Brian Clough's voice (or rather David Peace's Brian Clough's voice) as my interior monologue for about 2 months after reading The Damned Utd. Might explain why I did so badly at those job interviews last summer.

After Clough & Scargill, who could he do next? Bernard Manning? Mark E Smith?

bham, Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Compo

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Damned Utd isn't exactly heavy on the intricacies of football tactics, it's just well-observed northern swearing transplanted into sport instead of the Yorkshire underworld. It's so psychologically believable that I found it a bit hard to not just assume it was all straight fact, down to the desk smashing incident. It was drawn from a ridiculously wide range of sources, mind

Recall Marcello saying that the RR books do tend to degenerate into Tales From The Crypt a bit in their last quarters; the end of the second one (77) is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read, but also very faintly ridiculous

Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link

After Clough & Scargill, who could he do next? Bernard Manning? Mark E Smith?

Lancashire bastids.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Obv. Sean Bean is next on the list.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link

But seriously though, Geoffrey Boycott

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Michael Parkinson. Who knows what goes on beneath that suave exterior?

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link

In the morning I get out of bed.
Right out of the bed.
Not half out of bed.
Right out of bed.

I look at the bed and I try to get as far away from it as possible.

Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Boycott has potential, that 100th century scenario was pretty dramatic

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Potential for a David Peace spoof, at any rate

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Leeds United FC: Their Decline And Fall

I have "boned" two lesbians. Anything can happen. (country matters), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

WHAT I'VE LEARNED THIS WEEK

The learning.
The doing.
The week.
The football. Always the football.

He was learning. Teaching. Learning -

HOW TO MANAGE.

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

His Wiki entry says that he's planning a book about Geoffrey Boycott next.

nate woolls, Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link

good, Geoff's one of the most enduring and weirdly engaging characters in post-war British sport

I have "boned" two lesbians. Anything can happen. (country matters), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

To be entitled "The Corridor of Uncertainty", hopefully.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha ha, no way, you're joking?!??!?

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

No that was from my own brane.

Beloved lightbulb (Neil S), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

No, I meant about him writing a book about Geoffrey Boycott!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I briefly considered writing a "The Damned Rovers" parody, detailing Roy Race's brief stay as a player at Melborough. Someone else can steal that idea if they have any joeks.

The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link

"The Damned Rangers", detailing Paul le Guen's tenure at Ibrox could certainly work

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I was really disappointed with the series: I lost interest with each episode.

sandra lee, gimme your alcohol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 11:11 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

'1983' was pretty good but for some reason the filmmakers decided to not answer 99% of the questions left over from '1980.' oh well.

omar little, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 08:55 (eleven years ago) link

1974 film is quite ludicrous. As for Andrew Garfield, never send a boy to do a star's job.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 10:04 (eleven years ago) link

GB84. Read it now. Oh, you can't - it's not out for another fortnight.

::hugs own proof copy like a miser::

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:54 (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Erm, I saw it in Waterstone's window this very lunch break...

― ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:59 (6 years ago) Bookmark

Rockcrit from the Tuoms (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

i'm still totally confused by 1983's insistence on not answering any of the leftover questions from 1980 other than 'what's the deal with the creepy priest?' they could have never made 1980 and the two bookend films would have existed just fine without it.

omar little, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:05 (eleven years ago) link

I can't even remember what the leftover questions from 1980 were??!?! The books only made a marginal amount of sense so I guess it's not too surprising that a series that removed one of them altogether would also be a mess.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:09 (eleven years ago) link

SPOILERS

- the crew of crooked cops killed paddy considine for discovering their secrets: orchestrating the copycat murder of some girl, murdering everyone who was in the club after andrew garfield killed sean bean, toasting to the north 45 times
- i don't think they ever really addressed why they killed the people in the club, why they killed the girl (though maybe it was to protect sean bean's rep and their own interests?), and while i don't demand that the villains be brought to justice in films, the fact that the third film seemed to completely ignore the events of the second was just bizarre

omar little, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

I don't remember why they kill everyone in the club, but I thought they had to kill the girl because she had seen them kill everyone in the club.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

honestly i lost track of a lot of threads; the third film just made it out like there was a cop/rich-dude/asshole northern illuminati behind everything the whole time, rather than different groups like cops or developers or w/e

goole, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:24 (eleven years ago) link

oh yeah that's right. xpost

omar little, Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

din't like the film of 'the damned united'

suspect it's not much like the novel, coz it's so calm

so weirdly it needed to be more peace-like, which i wouldn't usually say

was he trying for a kind of wes anderson look or what, with all these big, simple, stylized compositions? anyway, it never caught fire, it had no feeling for the period, and the music cues were insipid

moholy-nagl (history mayne), Sunday, 23 January 2011 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

There's not enough bitterness, fury or brooding resentment in Michael Sheen's Clough. Not by a long shot.

Matt DC, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

I thought the film was mostly fine in its own right but seemed to have very little to do with Peace

as if Notting Hill was supposed to be an adaptation of Amis!

I thought the film Clough just didn't seem strong enough, at some level - he seemed thin, weak, feeble, brittle, in a way that I don't think the real Clough did (but then my sense of Clough is 1980s / 90s, when he was physically bigger etc, which may explain it a bit)

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 January 2011 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

At home, at Anfield.

carson dial, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:32 (eight years ago) link

Another football manager book huh.

At least now I finally know who one of the people mentioned in "Dig It" is.

The O RLY of Everything (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2013 00:19 (eight years ago) link

Don't worry, when he does stuff like this, it is "occult history" not mere fiction. Again.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 10 August 2013 00:57 (eight years ago) link

I'd like to read this new one. Anything to do with shankly,busby, or stein is interesting to me, and I enjoy peace's pop-beckett quite a bit. looks like it'll be quite the slog admittedly. 700 odd pages of repetition and

Pages,
700 odd of fucking pages
Religious pages.
700 of them.
Page
Page
Page
700 pages
pages
pages
pages

tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 10 August 2013 02:28 (eight years ago) link

Repetitious. Damn you autocorrect.

tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 10 August 2013 02:29 (eight years ago) link

Jim Smith next.

'Understand, your daughter's addiction is not your problem' (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 10 August 2013 12:59 (eight years ago) link

Someone on my facebook was ripping into Peace for the repetition and it immediately made me go back to the Red Riding books and enjoy them more

cardamon, Sunday, 11 August 2013 12:12 (eight years ago) link

It's very rare for that intense, slashing repetition to translate into a book you can actually read

cardamon, Sunday, 11 August 2013 12:13 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

About 50 pages into the new one and thoroughly enjoying it.theres something very comforting about the long strings of results.

tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 21 October 2013 02:21 (eight years ago) link

i finished it already. Seems like the book his repetition was made for. The tension from the cumulative effect of fixtures after fixtures after fixtures.the pressure,the remorselessness of the season are so well conveyed.and how even victory provides no respite as the next season needs to be prepared for immediately.

and shankly's monomaniacal interest in liverpool and football,and his extreme will to always accommodate fans,always respond to them and engage with them.his almost saintly asceticism and dedication.

tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 27 October 2013 04:55 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Just finished Red Or Dead. Absolutely loved it. Remarkable how DP sets up Shankly to be more or less the polar opposite of Clough in The Damned Utd and the second (post-retirement) half is simultaneously very funny and painfully moving; see the chapter "On Watering The Garden."

Looking forward to it but it is not really available in the US yet. Wondering if I should finally get around to reading GB84 or the Tokyo books while I am waiting.

Pazz & Jop 1280 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 November 2013 16:21 (eight years ago) link

I've been on the fence about reading this, how reverential is it? Shankly's such a sainted individual and I'm not sure how interested I am in reading Peace's take on that.

Matt DC, Monday, 11 November 2013 17:08 (eight years ago) link

It's as reverential as it needs to be but is not blind to the commitment that finally did for him. He knows he is slowly killing himself but never really thinks of himself. Above all it's about Liverpool and socialism and life and death. Beautifully written prose poetry; if I could write a hundredth as well as DP does I'd be more than happy.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 09:31 (eight years ago) link

Shankly's such a sainted individual and I'm not sure how interested I am in reading Peace's take on that.

Hmmmmmm, or Liverpool FC and Liverpool in general. Someone will undoubtedly get me it for my Christmas!

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 09:34 (eight years ago) link

Jimmy Saville, another possible subject for the pen of David Peace

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:59 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...errrrrrrrrr

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 09:39 (eight years ago) link

Actually I think that would be brilliant but it's way too soon and he'd be pilloried.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 09:42 (eight years ago) link

A sequel about Bob Paisley would be nice.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 12:07 (eight years ago) link

Let's just throw in Roy Evans and be done with it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 12:36 (eight years ago) link

Still waiting on the Geoffrey Boycott one

Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 12:56 (eight years ago) link

I went to a d peace q&a and iirc he has done some early work on a Savile story but a completed novel is way, way off. He was really enthusiastic about a boycott book. The only thing he definitely doesn't want to do ever is Hillsborough.

oppet, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 13:14 (eight years ago) link

yeah boycott i would read

caek, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:08 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

holy shit red riding

Come and Heave a Ho (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 22:08 (seven years ago) link

the TV one I mean

everyone otm up thread about the flaws but still p superior stuff IMO despite not hearing any dialogue nor knowing why 1980 was even made tbh nor why nothing was explained and wait are we meant to be cheering for David Morrissey now cos fuck that

but still really enjoyed anyway.

duff paddy (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 August 2014 21:12 (seven years ago) link

David Morrissey is good.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 17 August 2014 23:00 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah agreed but the character like

duff paddy (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 August 2014 23:02 (seven years ago) link

ah i can't remember who he was really. totally weird that i followed about 30% of this but still liked it.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 17 August 2014 23:45 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

just finished GB84 (it only hit US bookshops a few months ago a bit after red or dead's release here). arguably his hardest book to follow aside from nineteen eighty-three but completely worth it. I'd call it his bleakest book, but also arguably his best written.

I've now read all his books except the football ones, bc like GB84 they weren't available easily in the states till recently. are they worth a look? hearing v mixed stuff about red or dead, especially due to its style.

bandwagon mavs fan because rondo (slothroprhymes), Friday, 26 December 2014 21:51 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Adaptation(s) of red riding probably deserve more longstanding recognition

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:16 (five years ago) link

i didn't like them very much.

stoked for peace's plans on a novel about geoffrey boycott

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:51 (five years ago) link

red or dead is peace's masterwork for me. but you have to enjoy reading long passages of succinct football results

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:52 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

Hey.
I know I need a late-pass, but I'm 3/4 through the Red Riding novels and am enjoying them, if one can enjoy something so unremittingly bleak. the unanswered questions from book to book and the introduction of a new protagonist with each novel were pretty neat in that they were frustrating at first but I also find the unknown qualities and contexts pretty compelling too.

should i watch the films? opinions seem mixed with most upthread finding them a bit of a drag.

ian, Saturday, 20 January 2018 07:34 (four years ago) link

I thought they were brilliant

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2018 09:02 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

I've been watching the films, now. They are pretty good! Bordering on very good, but still borderline incomprehsible.

ian, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:57 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

good to see he finally finished the tokyo trilogy. very good ending imo though will likely be incomprehensible to those who weren’t already fans of his style

blame it on the modelo (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 23 June 2022 01:45 (one week ago) link

Red Riding trilogy films are easily watched within the month of free BritBox subscription offer.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 23 June 2022 12:00 (one week ago) link


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