Haiti: WTF?

That might be it, the delay. It was on HBO, ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS at least in Chicago. I even kinda liked Justin Timberlake's "Hallelujah".

starts at 8 in LA.

I am still of the opinion that anyone who says anything remotely off-script from what I see on my TeeVee is a crackpot communist scumbag queer. I can't stand to be well read, but I'm guessing somewhere in this thread some libtardo has claimed the earthquake was a hoax so the Red Cross can get donation money for Obama to save his ass because our country is going down the toilet... and, well, yeah sure, that I can believe if you're talking about green screens and special effects. But, if you say HAARP did it, well then go to Russia!

xpost...cool. I missed the beginning so I'll watch it over.

xpost WAHT

Its a new sock someone started tonight, ignore.

Not a sock; this guy already called me a sock on my introduction post. Sorry if you don't understand my sense of humor, but that does not automatically make me a sock. I am a brand new poster who is interested in meeting other NYers and talking on these forums. Just being a ridiculous retard for one moment and you have to jump all over me??? Sheesh.

maybe you should try ridiculousretard.com.

Roadrunner says: "Sorry, we couldn't find ridiculousretard.com"

hey, nice use of both "queer" and "retard"! This is for Haiti, please go somewhere else if you want to be stupid.

After spending days noting that medical supplies were not getting through, I see that Anderson Cooper is finally interviewing US personnel to ask why. But they keep just answering "We are doing our best," and that's that. Not sure how he should follow up, maybe they are just doing their best.

yeah i've unplugged from this for a few days, due to cares. however, it was my understanding that medical supplies were slow in getting through just because PaP is just hell of difficult to navigate atm.

I think the problem now is also catalogueing and knowing what they have at the airport, in addition to navigating through PaP. Dr. Sanjay Gupta with CNN did a "gotcha" by taking meds himself from someone and then coming back later to ask the military why they are taking so long to deliver meds when he did it already with this one bag of stuff.

I am convinced that the US decided to let the Pennsylvania governor fly in and out of the country with orphans(who were not immediately in need of medical care), while making Doctors Without Borders planes wait (who were needed and had supplies to immediately help those who were in need of medical care).

yeah, i just heard about that governor thing---cynical politicking, you think?

Yep. He's an anti-abortion Dem too, I believe which I'm guessing factored in of course.

Where has Preval been news stories now happening. He just finally spoke to the press again. Haiti can't win, the US govt. tossed the prior charismatic leader for being a commie sympathiser troublemaker and now the quiet technocrat prez doesn't grab the spotlight. Although with all the destruction of government buildings it would be hard for him to do so even if he wanted to (possibly doable but harder).

HuffPo says:

The earthquake that hit Haiti, by the numbers:

THE EARTHQUAKE

_ Magnitude-7.0 at 4:53 p.m. EST (2153 GMT) on Jan. 12

_ Aftershocks: 56 of magnitude-4.5 or greater.

THE TOLL

_ Bodies recovered: 150,000 (includes 54 Americans, 44 Europeans)

_ Estimated dead: 200,000
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_ Rescued from collapsed buildings: 134

_ Injured: 194,000.

_ Children who are unaccompanied, orphaned or lost one parent: 1 million

_ People enduring amputations or other surgery: 200,000.

THE DISPLACED

_ Homeless: 1 million.

_ Living in makeshift camps: 700,000-800,000

_ Tents needed for homeless: 200,000 family-size.

_ People who have fled Port-au-Prince for the countryside: 236,000.

THE DAMAGE AND THE NEED

_ Structures destroyed: 70 percent in broad areas of the capital; 90 percent in towns closer to the epicenter.

_ Schools destroyed or badly damaged: 90 percent throughout the capital.

_ People who need food aid: 2 million

_ People receiving food aid: 400,000

THE RESPONSE

Backlog of planes waiting to land at the airport: 800-1,000.

Flights landing per day: About 140.

U.S. military: About 20,000 troops, 18 ships.

U.N. peacekeeping troops and police: 12,500

Donations: More than $1 billion from governments, including $575 million from Europe and $316 million from U.S. government, in addition to $470 million in donations through private U.S. charities.

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Sources include the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, U.S. Geological Survey; European Commission Monitoring and Information Center; U.S. Agency for International Development; International Organization for Migration; U.S. Department of Defense; The Chronicle of Philanthropy, Save the Children.

If only they'd used condoms.

link?

xp to stevie

Oh sorry http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100126/cb-haiti-earthquake-glance/

And yeah, that Paul Shirley thing which I don't even think I should bother getting upset about.

http://www.flipcollective.com/2010/01/26/if-you-rebuild-it-they-will-come-by-paul-shirley/

What is alarming, I think, is the sometimes illogical frenzy toward casting those affected by the earthquake as helpless, innocent souls who were placed on the island of Hispaniola by an invisible force.

lol slavery

_ Bodies recovered: 150,000 (includes 54 Americans, 44 Europeans)

Parsing and phrasing stats like this always bugs the shit out of me

54 Americans, 44 Europeans and 149,000 negroes

glad ppl are getting mad about that shirley article. I know we'd much rather ignore these ppl but we don't need people with these opinions having any kind of profile or credibility. We talked abt it on i love hoops last night too fwiw

Sincerely,

The Rest of the World

EXCUSE ME, BUDDY?

“Unfortunately, [Haiti]’s government was not in a position to really do much to prepare for the inevitable large earthquake, leaving tens of thousands to suffer the consequences.”

The sentiment expressed is one of outrage at the government. But, ultimately, the people in a country have control over their government. One could argue that in totalitarian regimes, they do not have much control, but in the end, it is their government. And therefore, their responsibility. If the government is not doing enough for the people, it is the people’s responsibility to change the government. Not the other way around.

this guy is really dumb. or, rather, incurious and uninformed about how gov't works in places like Haiti. i don't think he's a monster, but he reeks of dorm room libertarianism.

so otm, ive read his awful writing occasionally but last night i realized why he's the worst - obv a libertarian

_ Bodies recovered: 150,000 (includes 54 Americans, 44 Europeans)

Parsing and phrasing stats like this always bugs the shit out of me

^^I felt the same way when I read that

There's help on the way:

International Planned Parenthood Capitalizing on Haiti Earthquake with New Fundraiser (from some anti-choice news site).

Within a day of the disaster, IPPF had sent out an appeal letter, seeking “urgent” support for their Haitian affiliate PROFAMIL. IPPF, the world's largest abortion provider, claims that funds are needed in order to restore “basic medical services” at the PROFAMIL clinics. According to their letter, PROFAMIL has operated since 1984, providing “low-cost, quality sexual and reproductive healthcare.”

mad kudos to ESPN IMO

reconcile the irreconcilable: "god i wish these poor savages would stop having babies v. so-called reproductive healthcare is just a way to massacre unborn children!!!"

xp what they fired him?

Yeah, it's on the HuffPo link.

good on them

the part of me that feeds on my own indignant rage is perversely hoping that some conservative idiots take up paul shirley as some kind of str8 talkin folk hero, just so i can see him (and the view he represents) excoriated in a more public sphere

dear jon stewart pls make an example of this tool

honestly he's not even worth it. dude had a column on literally the worst part of espn.com that no one ever goes to, and i think only serious nba fans even know who he is.

yeah the views are worth condemning but shirley is a nobody who just deserved to lose his freelance job

Shirley had some of the worst music reviews in that ESPN slot as well, the guy was the worst kind of tool: the kind that thinks he's a genius. The Haiti article he wrote sounds like someone losing his mind.

sorry history of Major League Baseball in Haiti:

http://www.counterpunch.org/damu01222010.html

Words fail:

According to E! Online, Quincy Jones and Lionel Richie are spearheading a 25th anniversary re-recording of the star-speckled, Michael Jackson- and Lionel Richie-penned hit “We Are The World,” with proceeds going toward Haiti relief. In what's presumably an accidental echo of Pat Robertson, Jones is quoted in the piece saying, “It's the 25th anniversary and it's perfect timing … It's not an accident, man. That's God. It will be 'We Are The World' for Haiti."

The report says writer and director Paul Haggis will most likely film a recording session of the song on Monday. And the Showbiz blog at The Hollywood Reporter says the recording of the song was pushed to Monday to capitalize on the star talent lingering in Los Angeles the day after the Grammy Awards. Originally, the planned anniversary recording was to take place today.

The talent list so far includes Usher, Natalie Cole, and John Legend, yet Jones was hesitant to reveal more until names are set in stone. But you can bet the “Hope For Haiti Now” performers are invited.

~barf~

So will Prince show up?

haiti at this point doesn't really need more $$$, it needs people caring about the actual structural issues that created the situation there in the first place, and which will continue to shape its future for the foreseeable future. celebrity fundraisers and the like are great for raising awareness and cash, but unless they somehow convince the american public that we should

a) forgive haiti's debt
b) allow a massive influx of immigrants
c)...other stuff

then most of what we do from now on (now that PIH and MSF et al have received loads of cash) isn't going to help ~that~ much

(sorry, HAITI needs money, but most of the aid orgs are in pretty good shape)

oh god the segment anderson cooper just did on childhood servitude & the earthquake was so, so heartbreaking

What is going on with dying patients not being able to come to US hospitals because the Florida Republican governor want the feds to pay for the expenses and according to him the feds won't.

hadn't heard about that---was under the impression that pts weren't allowed to come up to the states due to immigration issues

in other news: my friend B's Haitian boyfriend is back in the states safe and sound. i had really thought he was gonna be there for months, so this was a happy turn of events

How about them Christian baby stealers eh?

was under the impression that pts weren't allowed to come up to the states due to immigration issues

― avatar 2: the na'vi ending story (gbx), Monday, February 1, 2010

That's what I had first heard also. But then they seemed to bend the rules slightly and allowed some patients (whose info they were carefully keeping track of, so they can send 'em back) to go to Florida hospitals. I wish the Feds would just step up and pay for it---they can carefully monitor the folks and then send 'em back when they have recovered (since politically they have to do that to prevent a mass exodus that's not conducted legally via immigration rules). The problem is that in some Haitian hospitals there's not enough room for both surgery, incoming patients, and recovering patients. Germ and disease-wise, it's not good to have all these groups together.