we can build a time machine and if your neglected children turn out to be the wrong kind of neglected children then we go back and zap yourich parents exempt
― SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
also to be fair we will do the same for non-human animals
it's not a matter of producing geniuses
it's a matter of ensuring a child has parents who can teach her/him moral and ethical responsibilities
the poorest in society shouldn't be forced to abort, but they should be highly encouraged to do so, yet they are the ones who produce more offsprings than the rich
to be clear, i was referring to interpersonal, intrapersonal, and emotional intelligence
if you asked me if i prefer (subject) genius/artist or a well grounded, normal, determined, productive person, i would choose the latter
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
I would much rather see more kids from the Section 8 families in my neighborhood than the Trumps and Hiltons of the world. Maybe it's just me.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
you think trump would pass a morality/ethics test
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link
Given "I think poor people should be encouraged to abort their children," I don't think YOU would pass a morality/ethics test.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
99.999999% of people are neither the next Hitler nor the next Einstein. Leave people the fuck alone.
also i'm fully aware that what i'm referring to is a highly fantastical world and completely unachievable so we put other filters in society
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
pretty sure pro-eugenics opinions belong on the yr unpopular nazi opinions thread
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
eugenics was gene selection
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
F♯A♯(∞) ingeniously drawing attention to the similarities between parenting and social engineering, well played
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spongebob/images/6/6d/Geneshalit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160517150316
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
"the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics."
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Gene_Simmons_2012.jpg/220px-Gene_Simmons_2012.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTczMDk2Nzg0Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjA5Njg3Mw@@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg
select one
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
How much should you be pulling down annually to avoid being encouraged to abort your unborn paupers?
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
that is the achilles' heal ogmor
there would be too many people that would want to misuse the data to do away with the people they dislike because we live in a very connected world
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
only one selleck coefficient reads off the charts
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, March 20, 2017 9:22 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
intelligence is not heritable pal
oustic pointed that out a while ago
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
I choose
http://staticdistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/genevincent.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
the solution to the evils of parenting is not a bigger, more rationalist parent
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
http://genekellyfans.com/wp-content/uploads/sitr-gene-kelly.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
once we stop the uneducated and poor from reproducing and our population falls beneath replacement level fertility will the economic decline be worth the marginal theoretical gains to be had from our pseudo-eugenics program?
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
http://thegeneokerlund.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mean-gene.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
also i don't see where Οὖτις said anything about intelligence and heritability but that's a question surely beyond the scope of this thread
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
filial morality/piety is not based on strict rationalism
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/GeneHackmanJun2108.jpg/220px-GeneHackmanJun2108.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
if you were pro eugenics you wouldn't hesitate to argue that the cost of unwanted and badly raised children is enormous
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
fwiw tho (and i point this out as someone who controversially does not believe we should mandate testing for prospective parents) "The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late teens and adults."
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTIzMTAxMzczNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMjEwOTg2._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d0/bc/60/d0bc60af2ada8d40d53288f9318f0008.gif
― nomar, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
ogmor
uh i'm not pro eugenics
when did i mention cost? i actually believe in basic/universal income
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
who would win in a gene poll
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
mordy
but check what iq tests for, right? i never mentioned an iq test
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
lol nomar
― marcos, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/92/ba/82/92ba82be4fc7eede29b2567bc01890c9.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
xxp i don't understand are you arguing that IQ test results are heritable but intelligence in general is not? what is it that you believe IQ tests measure that can be inherited but have nothing to do with intelligence?
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
∞ i'm not talking about you, i am invoking a generic/straw eugenicist for rhetorical purposes
however
surely if you believe ppl need saving from their impulses wrt having sprogs, you might have similar concerns about their ability to spend their allocated income prudently
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
smh at lack of tierney itt
― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
firstly dudes
this is a decent read for what i'm referring to (not without its difficulties)
https://oolongiv.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/summers_filial_morality2.pdf
secondly mordy i mentioned upthread already but i'm talking about measuring interpersonal, intrapersonal and emotional intelligence, which are things the iq test has absolutely nothing to do with
i wasn't the one that brought up iq tests
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
I was literally about to post a Tierney pic but now I won't because it will look like pandering
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
yeah I'm not into filial piety. you can't decide to have a child and then claim they owe you for the privilege of fulfilling your desires
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
idk what that has to do w/ his pt anyway which is really about parental obligations not vice-versa nb i didn't read the whole thing maybe it goes into that at some pt
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
in practice, eugenics always selects genes based on 'demonstrated fitness', not from examining anyone's genes. being poor, illiterate, or physically handicapped in any way is considered a prima facie proof of your unfitness. I mean, you don't want society's scum, idiots, or cripples reproducing, right?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
i think he's saying we should only allow adults to reproduce if they get a good score on the MSCEIT
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
I think reproduction should be limited only to people who can reach a Donkey Kong kill screen.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
fwiw altho there's no consensus in the literature it seems like most scholarship in the field has found that EI is hereditary as well
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
filial piety is a theory on how to build a good society
it's a lot more common in the eastern world (asia) and sommers brings in a more western style because it's not as common in the us/canada
that text is just a part of it
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
Aimless otm
― The night before all about day (darraghmac), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link