who gives a fuck if the lex likes or doesn't like anything.
― Mordy, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:53 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
idk you're the one who keeps responding to an offhand grouse on the internet
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:03 (seven years ago) link
#nodads forever, christ
dunno when saer became a curmudgeon.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:03 (seven years ago) link
This is not about having children or not. This is about whether it is cool to say you "don't like" some group of people, saer. I don't want to have children either fwiw xp
― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:04 (seven years ago) link
Children, like old people, people with disabilities, etc. are a group distinguished by factors outside their control. Like those two groups in particular they are often taken advantage of. Xp
― Treeship, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:56 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
as are dogs
but if you don't like dogs that's fine, it has no moral implications about your character whatsoever
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:04 (seven years ago) link
Dogs aren't people though.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
it's been a while since the lex has been given the opportunity to revel in the spotlight like this, good work everyone
― Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
i get it now. you were born a dog and you begrudge those of us who were born human babies.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
what do you think you'd think of the child you were?
xpost
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
no worries man i know you're not engaged in anything valuable w/ your time. after all you've already demonstrated quite clearly that you're not raising children.
leaving aside what an execrable sentiment this is, you're doing a good job of substantiating lex's gripes about parents
― ogmor, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
my dislike of lex has nothing to do w/ any progeny i have produced and in fact my enmity i believe predates my parenthood
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
Mordy otm throughout lex is a deeply unserious person fit for nothing but mockery
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
dunno when saer became a curmudgeon
I have had some unfortunate experiences of late, serenity came under severe multi-pronged attack and anxiety rose to new levels. I am hoping it will fade again soon!
I think its ok to say you don't like groups of people, where there are groups of people there is likely to be some kind of piercing noise or anxiety inducing activity
― saer, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
Its ok to want to make it through the day with mental equilibrium in tact!
― saer, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
What if I said I didn't like people with facial disfigurements. They make me uncomfortable.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
hating kids is fundamentally as weird as hating women or hating old people
It's reductive, not "weird." I agree with a lot of lex's sentiments on this thread!
As a parent, your kids are either cute and friendly and great OR they're a pain in my ass and if they turn out to be anything other than disasters as adults it will be a miracle because you are an indulgent weirdo and I disagree with your style.
Disliking children is really an indirect dislike of parents. Parents are now and have always been the real enemy.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
More trenchantly, what if you said you didn't like LGBT people because they make you uncomfortable? Or Jewish people? Or African-Americans? Those would all be rightly condemned as being patently unacceptable and the mark of a cretinous piece of shit.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link
equating children with LGBT or african-american people is probably the most cretinous opinion expressed thus far (aside from mordy's troll one)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
ould you imagine saying that about any other group of humans?
people, including all of you, say that every day about all sorts of groups of humans. tories, bankers and comic fans are among the groups of humans i generally don't enjoy spending time with, i'm sure you have your list.― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:51 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:51 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao, you can't see the difference between children as one type of category of humans vs tories and comic fans as others? you realize everyday people say they "i don't hate LGBTQ people, i just actively dislike being around them and feel discomfort in their company"
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
Why? Children have as much control over who they are as the other groups do.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
always useful to be reassured that privileged wyt dudes really have no fucking idea what constitutes societal oppression tho!
ah i see this has been addressed lol xp
― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:15 AM (four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
you don't know anything about me but thanks for assuming im a white dude
fair enough. i feel like if we had started with "i choose not to spend time around children" nobody would be arguing now.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
it's just an absurd affect. my kids are anxiety produced and cause me heartburn regularly. but also the entire history of human civilization - and in fact life of all kind - comes down to parents having children. parents should not feel any more smug than a mosquito laying larva maybe, but to write off progeny in general as being distasteful is the stuff of disney villainy and somehow within the same ballpark as malthusian nihilism.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
lol yeah there are no organizations worldwide dedicated to the rights of children, who are never oppressed
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
. i feel like if we had started with "i choose not to spend time around children" nobody would be arguing now.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:17 AM (thirty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea i agree with that
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
More trenchantly, what if you said you didn't like LGBT people because they make you uncomfortable? Or Jewish people? Or African-Americans? Those would all be rightly condemned as being patently unacceptable and the mark of a cretinous piece of shit.― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkequating children with LGBT or african-american people is probably the most cretinous opinion expressed thus far (aside from mordy's troll one)― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:15 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:15 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark
lollllll Phil mentioned 3 different groups and lex only mentioned 2 i wonder
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
like yeah I realize that the life of a child in the London suburbs is obvs different than the life of a child in Somalia but ffs
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link
xp I noticed that as well but one battle at a time for me
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
whenever lex talks about ppl being privileged i remember that photo he posted of himself lounging on a cruise ship in view of a tropical island and remember that he's more privileged than probably 99% of ilx posters.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/
why would I suggest children suffer oppression it is truly a mystery
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
guys i don't think this angle of argument is a good look
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
Children are not oppressed as a class. Lex is right. But many children face oppression and a lot of them have hard lives and it is gauche to act like they are little more than irritating pets people want to force on you.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
Tbh i dont think i actually like being around children, especially. I was a teacher and got moved from high school to middle school and haaaatttted it. But like, i don't feel righteous in having limited patience and empathy ya know.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
that's exactly how i feel. i feel like a curmudgeon or a dickhead if i get narky feelings towards children. they don't know any better than to behave as they do, they are essentially having fun, trying to learn about life, mostly p harmless. maybe that's overly self-flagellating but i don't think so.
it's the same to me as feeling waves of misanthropy but never defining myself as a misanthropist, trying to see positivity in people, trying to recognise when negativity might be coming from my own problems or my own negative experiences.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
misanthrope not misanthropist, god...
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link
Everybody here trying to outdo each other in trenchant commentary about how bad and rong Lex is about children is really ...something
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
I periodically have to spend time with 2 of them now and I dread it, the looks of expectation from their parents and grandparents as inside inner peace is being obliterated
― saer, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
― Treeship, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:28 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yea i agree with this. i don't feel the antipathy toward lex that others do itt. lex is smart, i value his thoughts on a lot of things, he is prob one of my favorite posters in certain ILM threads, his support of women and POC artists throughout his writing career is awesome. i just tihnk his opinion itt is incredibly small-minded and dumb. there are 2 billion kids in the world ffs. 1 billion of them live in poverty, they are vulnerable group of humans and are abused and denied of their value all the time. i don't think it is an interesting or fun opinion to celebrate how much they annoy you esp when you are basically just tihnking about rich kids in strollers in london
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:34 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ill cop to this sure
You're probably right and I shouldn't have taken the bait.
I'll just leave it at "Expressing discomfort at being around people for their innate attributes is pretty shitty."
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
preemptive clusterfuck summary: fuckin' ilx
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, December 12, 2016 8:04 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
At least it's not about the election.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
arguably this last election was between a child and a hawk!!!!11!!!
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
And everyone's moms and dads are to blame
― Evan, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 15:53 (seven years ago) link
sad!
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
children are a worse pizza topping than animals in general but a better pizza topping than dogs in particular
dogs in particular and animals in general are both more welcome in bars tho
― banfred bann (wins), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
Dogs in pubs <333333
Such joy just thinking about them
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link