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is it really going to be dismantled?

D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Fox is buying it, I think.

andy, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

finally a FAIR and BALANCED view

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Both the BBC and Freaky Trigger websites have been unavailable for the last hour. I think this is clearly ominous.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

that's not true

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, it's back now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

is any of this true?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

What - you mean is the BBC being dismantled or have I been unable to access the BBC and FT for the last hour?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

the BBC being dismantled...

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, they're probably making changes to the corporate governance. I don't really equate that with dismantling, so no.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

probably?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Well that's the impression I've got. I don't think many people think the current system of governors is that great. Maybe I'm wrong - I haven't been following it that closely - you probably know as much as me. I'll shut up now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Sheffield people will be familiar with the term

Blades Business Crew

Serious sheffield united hooligans

.....................strike me down..............

dddfdanon, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Ipswich people will be familair with the term

Ipswich Total Violence

(OK, I made that up and in fact when we supposedly had a "firm" they decided to call themselves The Spanners, why they did is anyone's guess)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

BBC blamed for attacks on Poles

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:01 (eleven years ago) link

wtf @ that guy

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (eleven years ago) link

Tories, eh?

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (eleven years ago) link

Sub-Passantino at best

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:06 (eleven years ago) link

At 6 feet 8½ inches (204 cm), Kawczynski is believed to be the tallest MP ever to sit in the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:19 (eleven years ago) link

But the average height of doors in Westminster is six feet eight and now he wants ministers to take account of an increasingly tall UK population.

"Being officially a giant myself... you want to raise things which pertain to yourself and people like you," he said.

ISSUES4U

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:22 (eleven years ago) link

Also I'm sure he said all this a couple of months ago somewhere else. Why has it come up again now?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:57 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, yes, in the Independent.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:58 (eleven years ago) link

He'll be blaming the BBC for attacks on giants next

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:00 (eleven years ago) link

I'd guess he has a point if he's talking about Tory voters mouthing off on the mid-morning phone-ins on local stations like BBC Radio Shropshire etc.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

Conservative Friends of Poland

Like Neville Chamberlain, he means?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

Pretty sure it's mostly Channel 4 running the anti-Polish stuff. But it is tricky spotting the difference between Panorama and the Völkischer Beobachter most weeks.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Max Mosley confirmed as new Panorama presenter.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

A step too far, this is causing as much kerfuffle as when the moved women's hour.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Friday, 12 June 2009 02:58 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/14/ben-bradshaw-bbc-management

the bbc does seem amazingly inept at covering its arse. it is kind of a symptom of a wider elite-class self-aggrandizement that the likes of byford and thompson think they deserve mad money, but it's still going to come back to bite them.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:31 (ten years ago) link

beeb has kind of an impossible job in dealing with its critics, since they simultaneously claim the licence fee isn't justified because the bbc isn't populist enough and that it isn't justified because it doesn't provide enough specialised content that the commercial sector won't touch. i can't see that sharing the licence fee does anything to help except spreading it thinner.

agree that bbc bosses don't help the cause though.

joe, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:42 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

is it really going to be dismantled?
― D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (5 years ago)

Possibly, if - when - the Tories get in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/19/wed-abolish-bbc-trust-hunt

DavidM, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:07 (ten years ago) link

Has to be a troll:

Pay per view BBC news would allow the lefties to view their own biased news reports while the rest of us could choose ITV news for more impartial reporting.

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:13 (ten years ago) link

this business about "damaging commercial competitors" really pisses me off. we should be celebrating the fact that the BBC creates quality products and services for "free", not requiring it to dumb down its offerings so that something inferior and expensive can maintain market share.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:25 (ten years ago) link

Whenever that comment is made, it is usually voiced by someone with vested interests eg. Murdoch. In America, Murdoch goes after Obama but here he goes after impartial news media. This should be a good compass for anyone wishing to locate the centre of power in any given country. Who does Murdoch go after in, say, China?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:29 (ten years ago) link

yeah, you do wonder whether this is the quid for the quo of The Sun's support.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:34 (ten years ago) link

tories don't need any outside encouragement to go after the bbc, tbh.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:37 (ten years ago) link

So is the Mail anti-Beeb purely because of DMGT's regional newspapers? Or is there something else, aside from Jonathan Ross and the telly tax?

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:44 (ten years ago) link

it's ideological - the bbc is full of lefties.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:47 (ten years ago) link

not only that, the whole concept of the BBC is lefty.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:54 (ten years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

modescalator (blueski), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:58 (ten years ago) link

Patrick Moore is very right-wing on immigration too, unfortunately.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:05 (ten years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

... and Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo and Nick Robinson and Quentin Letts ad nauseum

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:08 (ten years ago) link

Michael Buerk is a Conservative?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:11 (ten years ago) link

Only when it comes to the BBC employing women, I think... women who get jobs he wants, that is

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:12 (ten years ago) link

sexist, conservative, racist - all the same

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:16 (ten years ago) link

Regardless of how many sexist conservative racist rightwingers are employed there, the very existence of the BBC as a huge part of the media landscape is a slap in the face to Tory free market ideals, so obviously they want to pare it back. I don't think it's all about Murdoch.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (ten years ago) link

In my own experience, sexism is not limited to conservative men!

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (ten years ago) link

LOL, far from it!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:22 (ten years ago) link

I'd forgotten about Meadesshrine it's a great site, got most of them from the torrents but it's so nice to have them all in one place.

calzino, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:03 (two weeks ago) link

no, the nairns have been there a while. there's a lot of archive that's always available.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/archive/featured

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:12 (two weeks ago) link

yeah it was thanks to the archive i fully realised how full of shit Kenneth Clark was

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:13 (two weeks ago) link

from there, this is very good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00drs8y/monitor-pop-goes-the-easel

Ken Russell's film on the Young British Artists of the day pioneering the Pop Art movement features Peter Blake, Peter Phillips, Derek Boshier and Pauline Boty. (1962)

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for sharing the link to the archive, koogs - is there any way of seeing what's been put up there without having to scroll through pages of everything in alphabetical order?

Tim, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:49 (two weeks ago) link

i find the A-Z (of an individual category) on the TV app marginally more wieldy but i don't know beyond that

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:51 (two weeks ago) link

Problem with that is "Archive" is a category (unless there's something I'm not seeing) (which would not be unusual).

Tim, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

some of the categories are subdivided, but it's not obvious

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p025z4rn - abstract art

pick an episode of something you like and on the page for that programme there *might* be a sub-category at the bottom, by the credits link

there certainly used to be a plainer page with all the categories on it as a list but, er, progress...

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:12 (two weeks ago) link

better link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/collections

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:14 (two weeks ago) link

Hadn't seen those pages before but the iPlayer Collections are good too - loved working chronologically through the series on London (albeit all picked by Simon Jenkins so you have to look at his hi-res face before each prog): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p00synd3?page=1

nashwan, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

> Hadn't seen those pages before but the iPlayer Collections are good too

those archive/collections are the same thing, i think, they keep reorging / renaming / redesigning the pages. the iplayer pages also seem to have added what i'd call 'box sets' to the mix, more recent stuff made available again, not exactly 'archive'

finding anything on any streaming service always seems like a crapshoot to me, especially when using a tv-remote to navigate.

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:55 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks Koogs- that is better (though like you I would still like a list I could slice how I wanted... I blame Netflix). Now I’m hoping they can slap up the other 20-odd BBC things dear old Nairn did, which I thought was what the tweet up thread was promising.

Going to watch the pop art thing later, looks interesting.

Tim, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:18 (two weeks ago) link

nairn’s Football Towns and Orient Express are both on youtube.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:57 (two weeks ago) link

when i’m out and about not so much these days i sometimes practice a bit of a nairn slopey/arhyrmic walk. it genuinely does seem to help appreciate spaces around me in a contemplative fashion tho suspect some of this is because it’s slower than my habitual too-fast-paced gait and also it seems to cant your head slightly upwards and away from the immediate direction in front of you.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:59 (two weeks ago) link

Nairn hates Huddersfield so much and with so much focus you'd almost be tempted to think he grew up there and I don't think he was really impressed with the mushroom columns of the Queensgate indoor market! I'm not sure the ugly as fuck Pompidou-lite stylings of Halifax Building Society building aged that well either tbh!

calzino, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:49 (two weeks ago) link

I do not understand Fizzles' post about walking differently. It sounds as though he's trying to be like Beckett's Watt.

FOOTBALL TOWNS, this must surely be good.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 March 2020 12:51 (two weeks ago) link

Football Pools Towns is good but Isle of Rust was the first Meades I ever saw and mb my fav bit of tv

ogmor, Thursday, 26 March 2020 13:01 (two weeks ago) link

turned on R4 earlier and caught the absolutely awful Lionel Shriver reading from her new novel that nobody will buy just like her previous few novels that nobody bought. Why do the fucking beeb blow so much fucking smoke up this fraudulent nobody's arsehole? Well yeah the answer is ofc because she's a pig-shit ignorant right-wing bigot.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:48 (one week ago) link

I heard two seconds of that Helen Lewis shit by accident the other night. Privatizing's too good for 'em.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:50 (one week ago) link

Shriver probably sells quite a lot of novels.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:55 (one week ago) link

Which Helen Lewis programme? I can't remember.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:56 (one week ago) link

She doesn't Pinefox, she's a one hit wonder.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:58 (one week ago) link

Baggy MPs fucking diet book sells more than Shriver

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:00 (one week ago) link

Helen Lewis had a Radio 4 show about why woke snowflakes are terrible and should be shot. Weird number of shows like that on BBC radio lately.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:00 (one week ago) link

They seem to have a lot of prerecorded Helen Lewis, god help us.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:01 (one week ago) link

After Shrivers racist appearance on qt last year there was a lot of stuff about her dwindling to nothing book sales on twitter

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:06 (one week ago) link

2 and a quarter hour coronashow today, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 15:55 (one week ago) link

are they still not sending people to do the radio 4 morning show?

koogs, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:24 (one week ago) link

Plotting a graph of Lionel Shriver's useless life, I would imagine the line representing book sales, plummeting downwards, at some point intersecting with the line representing calls from BBC producers, going in the opposite direction.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:26 (one week ago) link

These people think they're still living in the noughties, when everything's all Monkey Dust and Nighty Night and edgy.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:31 (one week ago) link

Edgy, the worst kind of y

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:34 (one week ago) link

lionel shriver is just some idiot that used to be on newsnight review all the time!

plax (ico), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 17:19 (one week ago) link

This was new to me, but interesting.

After the sad news that Lionel Shriver was up to her *antics* again, I decided to take a look at the book sales of my 3rd least favourite contrarian author.

And now I have the stats.

Hold me, I'm going in. There will be graphs... pic.twitter.com/iyxIYu2ndn

— Chris McCrudden (@cmccrudden) March 1, 2019

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 17:55 (one week ago) link

Bit generous describing her stuff as literary fiction.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 17:58 (one week ago) link

lol, them be the brutal graphs of Shriver's shrinking relevance in the publishing world I was referring to Pinefox!

bloody great, tonight we've got the intellectual might of Applebaum and Mason discussing da Rona on R4.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:27 (one week ago) link

Has he invited Rona to come to Athens?

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:52 (one week ago) link

I'm watching Lucy Worsley so the Beeb is forgiven for now.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:53 (one week ago) link

LMAO. Stoya come to Athens, the means-tested defence of the status quo is happening. pic.twitter.com/93d5aguyQo

— herd immunity for our time (@misslucyp) April 1, 2020

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:54 (one week ago) link

cursed

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:04 (one week ago) link

How Adonis never made it to the last 16 of the world cup I'll never know

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:09 (one week ago) link

fuckin adonis

Fizzles, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:15 (one week ago) link

Very normal retweet from Maitlis

crisp, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 23:21 (one week ago) link

Claire Fox?

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 23:44 (one week ago) link

Nah keep scrolling... Dave Rich

crisp, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:00 (one week ago) link

They’re absolutely not letting up with this:

500,000 people could have died, by August, in the UK if no action was taken

Now it's hoped social distancing will limit deaths to 20,000

But that doesn't mean 480,000 lives are being saved, many people who die from Covid-19 would have died anywayhttps://t.co/hDYKsrCn8B pic.twitter.com/55Dsu3qeLU

— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) April 2, 2020

ShariVari, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:31 (one week ago) link

And headlines saying people died "with" coronavirus, not "of" or "from". It's a weird look tbh

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:41 (one week ago) link

I can't remember bbc doing death graphs at the peak of "nothing is done" or herd immunity as they labelled it at the time. All the info was there to see from countries weeks behind us. Just no half decent journalists or editorial leadership. And now they are in the embarrassing position of being bigger fucking tory boot-lickers than both The Mail and the Torygraph. Their politics department needs burning to the ground.

calzino, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:59 (one week ago) link

Yeah they would have died anyway, so what https://t.co/FUaCyCLrl8 pic.twitter.com/N6FDD057nx

— Je téléphone à la police (@je_police) April 2, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 2 April 2020 23:08 (one week ago) link

BBC News 2020, The Day Today 1994 pic.twitter.com/JeSRuuohF1

— Graham (@onalifeglug) April 3, 2020

calzino, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:07 (one week ago) link

Unsurprisingly, Boris Johnson's move to intensive care leads all the UK newspapers' front pages.

Have a quick canter through what they're all saying in our paper review, here.

Seems a bit off, given the context.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:50 (four days ago) link


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