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is it really going to be dismantled?

D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Fox is buying it, I think.

andy, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

finally a FAIR and BALANCED view

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Both the BBC and Freaky Trigger websites have been unavailable for the last hour. I think this is clearly ominous.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

that's not true

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, it's back now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

is any of this true?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

What - you mean is the BBC being dismantled or have I been unable to access the BBC and FT for the last hour?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

the BBC being dismantled...

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, they're probably making changes to the corporate governance. I don't really equate that with dismantling, so no.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

probably?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Well that's the impression I've got. I don't think many people think the current system of governors is that great. Maybe I'm wrong - I haven't been following it that closely - you probably know as much as me. I'll shut up now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Sheffield people will be familiar with the term

Blades Business Crew

Serious sheffield united hooligans

.....................strike me down..............

dddfdanon, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Ipswich people will be familair with the term

Ipswich Total Violence

(OK, I made that up and in fact when we supposedly had a "firm" they decided to call themselves The Spanners, why they did is anyone's guess)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

BBC blamed for attacks on Poles

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:01 (twelve years ago) link

wtf @ that guy

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

Tories, eh?

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

Sub-Passantino at best

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

At 6 feet 8½ inches (204 cm), Kawczynski is believed to be the tallest MP ever to sit in the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:19 (twelve years ago) link

But the average height of doors in Westminster is six feet eight and now he wants ministers to take account of an increasingly tall UK population.

"Being officially a giant myself... you want to raise things which pertain to yourself and people like you," he said.

ISSUES4U

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

Also I'm sure he said all this a couple of months ago somewhere else. Why has it come up again now?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, yes, in the Independent.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:58 (twelve years ago) link

He'll be blaming the BBC for attacks on giants next

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'd guess he has a point if he's talking about Tory voters mouthing off on the mid-morning phone-ins on local stations like BBC Radio Shropshire etc.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

Conservative Friends of Poland

Like Neville Chamberlain, he means?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty sure it's mostly Channel 4 running the anti-Polish stuff. But it is tricky spotting the difference between Panorama and the Völkischer Beobachter most weeks.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Max Mosley confirmed as new Panorama presenter.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

A step too far, this is causing as much kerfuffle as when the moved women's hour.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Friday, 12 June 2009 02:58 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/14/ben-bradshaw-bbc-management

the bbc does seem amazingly inept at covering its arse. it is kind of a symptom of a wider elite-class self-aggrandizement that the likes of byford and thompson think they deserve mad money, but it's still going to come back to bite them.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

beeb has kind of an impossible job in dealing with its critics, since they simultaneously claim the licence fee isn't justified because the bbc isn't populist enough and that it isn't justified because it doesn't provide enough specialised content that the commercial sector won't touch. i can't see that sharing the licence fee does anything to help except spreading it thinner.

agree that bbc bosses don't help the cause though.

joe, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

is it really going to be dismantled?
― D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (5 years ago)

Possibly, if - when - the Tories get in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/19/wed-abolish-bbc-trust-hunt

DavidM, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:07 (ten years ago) link

Has to be a troll:

Pay per view BBC news would allow the lefties to view their own biased news reports while the rest of us could choose ITV news for more impartial reporting.

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:13 (ten years ago) link

this business about "damaging commercial competitors" really pisses me off. we should be celebrating the fact that the BBC creates quality products and services for "free", not requiring it to dumb down its offerings so that something inferior and expensive can maintain market share.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:25 (ten years ago) link

Whenever that comment is made, it is usually voiced by someone with vested interests eg. Murdoch. In America, Murdoch goes after Obama but here he goes after impartial news media. This should be a good compass for anyone wishing to locate the centre of power in any given country. Who does Murdoch go after in, say, China?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:29 (ten years ago) link

yeah, you do wonder whether this is the quid for the quo of The Sun's support.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:34 (ten years ago) link

tories don't need any outside encouragement to go after the bbc, tbh.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:37 (ten years ago) link

So is the Mail anti-Beeb purely because of DMGT's regional newspapers? Or is there something else, aside from Jonathan Ross and the telly tax?

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:44 (ten years ago) link

it's ideological - the bbc is full of lefties.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:47 (ten years ago) link

not only that, the whole concept of the BBC is lefty.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:54 (ten years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

modescalator (blueski), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:58 (ten years ago) link

Patrick Moore is very right-wing on immigration too, unfortunately.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:05 (ten years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

... and Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo and Nick Robinson and Quentin Letts ad nauseum

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:08 (ten years ago) link

Michael Buerk is a Conservative?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:11 (ten years ago) link

Only when it comes to the BBC employing women, I think... women who get jobs he wants, that is

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:12 (ten years ago) link

sexist, conservative, racist - all the same

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:16 (ten years ago) link

Regardless of how many sexist conservative racist rightwingers are employed there, the very existence of the BBC as a huge part of the media landscape is a slap in the face to Tory free market ideals, so obviously they want to pare it back. I don't think it's all about Murdoch.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (ten years ago) link

In my own experience, sexism is not limited to conservative men!

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (ten years ago) link

LOL, far from it!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:22 (ten years ago) link

yes the chef. he’s like every positive cliche of italian men rolled into one - passionate, demonstrative, emotional, effortlessly good looking. during the show he makes a classic jewish-italian dish of chicken meatballs in tomato sauce and deep fried artichoke. and he rolls round to a deli stall where they get a kidney sandwich. best tour guide ever, basically.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 July 2020 07:41 (two weeks ago) link

People that don't wash rice are savage murderers, that much is beyond question. But washing it after cooking it is doesn't make any sense at all, it's like having a shower and then rolling about in a pigsty or something.

calzino, Friday, 24 July 2020 07:48 (two weeks ago) link

this clumpy starchy mess that you've already boiled with far too much water can't be washed at this point, can only assume she is blanching it in the vain hope it won't clump together even more as it cools down! At home economics in school instead of teaching kids to fuck up some fancy flan they will never try again in their entire life they should just some simple rice module and give them some real survival skillz.

calzino, Friday, 24 July 2020 08:15 (two weeks ago) link

There's a point where uncle roger references a finger knuckle joint method for measuring your water to rice ratio, I've looked this up elsewhere and I can't make the maths of it work in my head, what am I missing? Basically the theory is you put your rice in the pan (any quantity, any shape/size of pan), then rest the tip of your index finger on top of the rice and add enough water for the level to reach the first joint of your finger, and that will in theory mean your rice/water ratio is perfect. But how can that be right? Like, if my rice layer is only one or two grains deep the r/w ratio can't help be tons higher than it would've been if my rice layer was six inches deep, right?

JimD, Friday, 24 July 2020 10:50 (two weeks ago) link

I have spent most of my life being terrible at cooking rice, but I'd at least have the self-awareness to be incredibly embarrassed at doing it like that on camera let alone for a cooking segment.

since buying a microwave rice cooker it's super easy although mine came with instructions where the measurements, which were in cups/ fl oz which I never use anyway, were clearly just translated from metric so it was 9.4oz rice and 14.2 fl oz water or something rather than nice round numbers. I eventually realised it was just enough water to cover the rice and then a little bit more so I just do that now and it works out fine. It's never been great for small amounts though e.g. for my kids do I still do that in the pan.

sometimes a bit of sludgy stuff boils over into the microwave but the rice in the basket is usually fine.

kinder, Friday, 24 July 2020 12:23 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know about that finger method and have been using a rice cooker or a steel rice ball for years now, once uncle Roger gets into your head you don't want him taking the piss out of your hot rice-takes!

calzino, Friday, 24 July 2020 13:36 (two weeks ago) link

xpost i don't use my finger, i rest my flat hand on top and make sure it's covered in water.

Yerac, Friday, 24 July 2020 13:58 (two weeks ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdsxZSRWkAERkof?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

my biryani is not photogenic, nor one for the purists but it'll do for me!

calzino, Friday, 24 July 2020 14:58 (two weeks ago) link

when a thread blows up and you're wondering if it's clusterfuck or food derail

rice chat has been good but I won't lie, I prefer a good clusterfuck

オニモ (onimo), Saturday, 25 July 2020 08:06 (two weeks ago) link

There several other clusterfucks going on.

That biryani look right.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 25 July 2020 08:16 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53585627

pic of red squirrel

What is causing the declines?

Different animals face different threats. The now Critically Endangered Scottish wildcat population has not recovered from decades of persecution and, for the red squirrel, disease and competition from introduced grey squirrels has driven a steep decline.

fuck off bbc

imago, Thursday, 30 July 2020 09:26 (two weeks ago) link

all meaningful wildlife decline in the uk is caused by either human persecution or habitat loss

imago, Thursday, 30 July 2020 09:28 (two weeks ago) link

Imagine how many do gooders will be outraged at the prospect of people shooting grey squirrels.

Theyd rather sacrifice the reds.

— Firearms-UK (@FirearmsUK) July 30, 2020

what a wholesome twitter account

imago, Thursday, 30 July 2020 09:32 (two weeks ago) link

Imago, it goes on to say what you just said and that we need more habitat space.

Also: 'introduced' grey squirrels I think implies human agency.

the pinefox, Thursday, 30 July 2020 11:01 (two weeks ago) link

it goes on to say that but look what it's foregrounding

imago, Thursday, 30 July 2020 11:06 (two weeks ago) link

'introduced' implies we can shoot the greys no problem

imago, Thursday, 30 July 2020 11:06 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53554485

gonna complain about this bbc article which really shocked me today and i thought i was beyond being shocked by the bbc anymore.

"After a late-night vote went against the Conservative government in April 2016, Charlie Elphicke was drowning his sorrows by sharing a bottle of champagne with a parliamentary worker." is the beginning of an account of ELphicke's sexual assault against a parliamentary worker. Are there not guidelines for reporting sexual assault similar to how there are for suicide? I'm sure that beginning the article with contextually legitimising information around a sexual assault would contravene any such guidelines.

plax (ico), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:02 (two weeks ago) link

bbc tory fan-fic quoted straight from the defendant's criminal defense lawyer is pretty fucked up.

calzino, Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:18 (two weeks ago) link

Even for them I can't get over just how shit this is.

The UK's chancellor, Rishi Sunak, has a plan to save the country's economy from the effects of coronavirus, but will it work? 💰https://t.co/2hMQf5tRPt pic.twitter.com/p3l24cBCgW

— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) July 31, 2020

nashwan, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:11 (one week ago) link

that would be too infantile and condescending for cbeebies, but I presume it is aimed at big children.

calzino, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:32 (one week ago) link

CBBC?

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:36 (one week ago) link

I agree -- all these are dreadful and shameful.

the pinefox, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:36 (one week ago) link

the same big children that didn't feel there was a lack of consistency in voting for the most right-wing tories in decades and then clapping the NHS

calzino, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:42 (one week ago) link

apparently the series on the Murdochs was very good, but then they still do infantile CCHQ propaganda like this

calzino, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:45 (one week ago) link

Worse if aimed at younger viewers really but as it's from their main News account I doubt it.

That style of report in itself just feels so archaic regardless of the subject and intention. Set up a question, add a 'comedy' angle to the presentation and just wrap it up with 'only time will tell if the question we are asking here can ever really be answered'. This one was almost funny for just how unintentionally clunky it was (talking about Superman doing magic tricks and just standing there handing out money) but trying to be ironic is as bad as being consciously sycophantic at this point. Why should we have to acknowledge a difference?

nashwan, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:45 (one week ago) link

'encouraging us to get out there and join the Chancellor on the front line'

the pinefox, Friday, 31 July 2020 14:19 (one week ago) link

It's unbecoming of journalism full stop

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 July 2020 14:19 (one week ago) link

But tbf this has always been a personal bugbear about the Beeb since at least the Birt era

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 July 2020 14:20 (one week ago) link

at least super Rish is 6"4 tall in his dreams

calzino, Friday, 31 July 2020 14:27 (one week ago) link

(thought this bump was going to be about matthew postgate's new job with UKStratCom)

koogs, Friday, 31 July 2020 14:34 (one week ago) link

has uh the MP stuff been properly announced yet? i hadn’t seen anything in the news.

Fizzles, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:36 (one week ago) link

wait i’m confused koogs - are you referring to this from Jan?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/non-executive-director-appointments

Fizzles, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:38 (one week ago) link

Oh, hadn't noticed the date on that. I wonder how that sits with the BBC job? Seems like an odd mix. (Or does it?)

koogs, Friday, 31 July 2020 17:43 (one week ago) link

The BBC removed the Superishi propaganda and blamed readers for being stupid

We have removed a video of the chancellor’s plans for the UK economy. While we don’t think that readers would take the images at face value, on reflection we think the illustrations struck the wrong note and we’ve removed the article.

オニモ (onimo), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:01 (one week ago) link

Maybe it's a tiny consolation that calling these fucks on social media has some effect, sometimes, nowadays

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:07 (one week ago) link

Just posting this here for a classic BBC bit of context-setting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53676550

Nina Simone was a revered singer and civil rights activist, known for performing songs such as Feelin' Good, I put A Spell On You and I Loves You, Porgy.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:23 (one week ago) link

there was a decent program on Schubert's Winterreise on R4 earlier that inspired me to dig it out.

calzino, Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:31 (one week ago) link

never a bad time to dig out Winterreise but ffs Radio 4 it's August

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:34 (one week ago) link

I still don't know barely any of the lyrics but love the mood. but possibly at odds with the incoming heatwave if you are looking for summer vibes!

calzino, Thursday, 6 August 2020 15:36 (one week ago) link

"mein he-erz, me-ein Herz!"

plax (ico), Friday, 7 August 2020 07:40 (six days ago) link

Concern trolling from here as I don't watch TV at all now, but im kind of stunned to see Newsnight is this bad? Is this typical of it now?

We're live now on @BBCTwo with Mark Urban - you can also watch online at https://t.co/7kmessYy9v #Newsnight | @MarkUrban01 pic.twitter.com/hIaQzGdM5E

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) August 7, 2020

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 8 August 2020 12:26 (five days ago) link

since this is the thread where it was discussed: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/07/15/the-balletic-millennial-bedtimes-of-normal-people/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 August 2020 06:31 (three days ago) link

with dark, round eyes larger than her breasts

boak

kinder, Monday, 10 August 2020 14:03 (three days ago) link

lmao!

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Monday, 10 August 2020 14:04 (three days ago) link

"The show is mute on the subject of race yet decided to offer some visual compensation... If race were a subject of true interest to these directors (which it wasn’t to Rooney), and if race were not used in the casting as a nervous form of virtue-signaling, something else might have been done."

The racial elements brought into the show were more problematic than "virtue-signaling", in particular replacing the sadistic and pointedly white Swede of the book with a black man.

Why are all the people who aren’t white people the bad people?

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 10 August 2020 18:24 (three days ago) link

bbc news coverage of asylum seekers the last couple of days is worse than i've ever seen it. zero context. seemingly no interest in them as people, where they've come from, why they've come. the words 'illegal' and 'sovereignty' used over and over again. it's absolutely disgusting.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 August 2020 21:20 (three days ago) link

they're now running an entire segment on 'conversion therapy' for gay people as if it's legitimate!? am i fucking dreaming???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 August 2020 21:28 (three days ago) link

I rarely watch BBC news but just caught that. While I didn't really see any explicit approval - and to me it read as possibly an attempt at 'give them enough rope to hang themselves' perhaps? likely my own bias there tho - I have no idea what it was even doing there and why they didn't follow up what he said with some actual questions? If the aim was to show that 'it can be hard to define what this is in order to ban it' (? is it?) then that didn't exactly come across. A really odd thing to include. Did that X Factor guy only go on the X Factor to promote that dodgy org? So many questions.

kinder, Monday, 10 August 2020 21:47 (three days ago) link

that gal-dem article Eyeball Kicks linked is great.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 23:43 (two days ago) link

they did a fantastic, atmospheric and top notch radio production of The Plague a couple of weeks back and I listened to it on a long walk and was more than whelmed by it and was thinking this will piss off some Tory wankers. Dr. Bernard Rieux was voiced by a woman with a distinctive Caribbean accent and of course she had a wife who died of a different disease etc.. First respondent on their Feedback show on Sunday was some tory twat complaining that this was all wrong with the context of the Jim Crow/colonial era the book was written in etc .. oh go fuck yourself!

calzino, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 00:46 (yesterday) link


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