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is it really going to be dismantled?

D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Fox is buying it, I think.

andy, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

finally a FAIR and BALANCED view

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Both the BBC and Freaky Trigger websites have been unavailable for the last hour. I think this is clearly ominous.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

that's not true

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, it's back now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

is any of this true?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

What - you mean is the BBC being dismantled or have I been unable to access the BBC and FT for the last hour?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

the BBC being dismantled...

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, they're probably making changes to the corporate governance. I don't really equate that with dismantling, so no.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

probably?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Well that's the impression I've got. I don't think many people think the current system of governors is that great. Maybe I'm wrong - I haven't been following it that closely - you probably know as much as me. I'll shut up now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Sheffield people will be familiar with the term

Blades Business Crew

Serious sheffield united hooligans

.....................strike me down..............

dddfdanon, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Ipswich people will be familair with the term

Ipswich Total Violence

(OK, I made that up and in fact when we supposedly had a "firm" they decided to call themselves The Spanners, why they did is anyone's guess)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

BBC blamed for attacks on Poles

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:01 (twelve years ago) link

wtf @ that guy

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

Tories, eh?

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

Sub-Passantino at best

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

At 6 feet 8½ inches (204 cm), Kawczynski is believed to be the tallest MP ever to sit in the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:19 (twelve years ago) link

But the average height of doors in Westminster is six feet eight and now he wants ministers to take account of an increasingly tall UK population.

"Being officially a giant myself... you want to raise things which pertain to yourself and people like you," he said.

ISSUES4U

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

Also I'm sure he said all this a couple of months ago somewhere else. Why has it come up again now?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, yes, in the Independent.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:58 (twelve years ago) link

He'll be blaming the BBC for attacks on giants next

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'd guess he has a point if he's talking about Tory voters mouthing off on the mid-morning phone-ins on local stations like BBC Radio Shropshire etc.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

Conservative Friends of Poland

Like Neville Chamberlain, he means?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty sure it's mostly Channel 4 running the anti-Polish stuff. But it is tricky spotting the difference between Panorama and the Völkischer Beobachter most weeks.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Max Mosley confirmed as new Panorama presenter.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

A step too far, this is causing as much kerfuffle as when the moved women's hour.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Friday, 12 June 2009 02:58 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/14/ben-bradshaw-bbc-management

the bbc does seem amazingly inept at covering its arse. it is kind of a symptom of a wider elite-class self-aggrandizement that the likes of byford and thompson think they deserve mad money, but it's still going to come back to bite them.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

beeb has kind of an impossible job in dealing with its critics, since they simultaneously claim the licence fee isn't justified because the bbc isn't populist enough and that it isn't justified because it doesn't provide enough specialised content that the commercial sector won't touch. i can't see that sharing the licence fee does anything to help except spreading it thinner.

agree that bbc bosses don't help the cause though.

joe, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

is it really going to be dismantled?
― D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (5 years ago)

Possibly, if - when - the Tories get in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/19/wed-abolish-bbc-trust-hunt

DavidM, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:07 (eleven years ago) link

Has to be a troll:

Pay per view BBC news would allow the lefties to view their own biased news reports while the rest of us could choose ITV news for more impartial reporting.

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:13 (eleven years ago) link

this business about "damaging commercial competitors" really pisses me off. we should be celebrating the fact that the BBC creates quality products and services for "free", not requiring it to dumb down its offerings so that something inferior and expensive can maintain market share.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:25 (eleven years ago) link

Whenever that comment is made, it is usually voiced by someone with vested interests eg. Murdoch. In America, Murdoch goes after Obama but here he goes after impartial news media. This should be a good compass for anyone wishing to locate the centre of power in any given country. Who does Murdoch go after in, say, China?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:29 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, you do wonder whether this is the quid for the quo of The Sun's support.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:34 (eleven years ago) link

tories don't need any outside encouragement to go after the bbc, tbh.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:37 (eleven years ago) link

So is the Mail anti-Beeb purely because of DMGT's regional newspapers? Or is there something else, aside from Jonathan Ross and the telly tax?

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:44 (eleven years ago) link

it's ideological - the bbc is full of lefties.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:47 (eleven years ago) link

not only that, the whole concept of the BBC is lefty.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:54 (eleven years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

modescalator (blueski), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:58 (eleven years ago) link

Patrick Moore is very right-wing on immigration too, unfortunately.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:05 (eleven years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

... and Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo and Nick Robinson and Quentin Letts ad nauseum

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:08 (eleven years ago) link

Michael Buerk is a Conservative?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:11 (eleven years ago) link

Only when it comes to the BBC employing women, I think... women who get jobs he wants, that is

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:12 (eleven years ago) link

sexist, conservative, racist - all the same

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:16 (eleven years ago) link

Regardless of how many sexist conservative racist rightwingers are employed there, the very existence of the BBC as a huge part of the media landscape is a slap in the face to Tory free market ideals, so obviously they want to pare it back. I don't think it's all about Murdoch.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (eleven years ago) link

In my own experience, sexism is not limited to conservative men!

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (eleven years ago) link

LOL, far from it!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:22 (eleven years ago) link

lol amongst all the bbc related outrages i missed the one where they launched a covid memorial red ribbon project on fn WORLD AIDS DAY

plax (ico), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:36 (one month ago) link

lol they are either amazing trolls or v bad at their jobs (i suspect a combination of the two)

plax (ico), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:36 (one month ago) link

one of the programs they still haven't managed to fuck up yet is In Our Time, but I dread to think who will take over when the good Bragg retires. Going by how Emma Barnett getting Woman's Hour is the general direction they are going in then it will be the end of an era for me.

calzino, Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:43 (one month ago) link

can we blame covid for the bbc christmas eve / day / boxing day schedules?

i'm generally a fan of animation but that seems like A LOT, and all very similar in style (and almost all things i've seen)

the two things i'm looking forward to are both on boxing day and both originated on bbc2.

Mince pies at the ready! Here’s your Christmas schedule for @BBCOne… 🥧 pic.twitter.com/fl2KZQ9hv4

— BBC One (@BBCOne) December 1, 2020

koogs, Thursday, 3 December 2020 12:40 (one month ago) link

Most of the Christmas filming happens in summer usually, and most work was still shutdown then, yeah.

stet, Thursday, 3 December 2020 13:04 (one month ago) link

The new Zog and Coco will be welcome additions to our TVR. It's been a tough year for production.

kinder, Thursday, 3 December 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

https://ukchristmastv.weebly.com/confirmed2020.html

^ provisional list for bbcs, itv, ch4 and 5

> How Healthy is Your Gut?

festive

koogs, Thursday, 3 December 2020 14:19 (one month ago) link

i hate that 3d animation stuff

plax (ico), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:37 (one month ago) link

idg it there's this weird thing where it reaches for verisimilitude in a really weird and arbitrary way like why do these cartoon characters have visible pores

plax (ico), Thursday, 3 December 2020 15:40 (one month ago) link

1Xtra is a treasure

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 December 2020 10:03 (one month ago) link

one of the programs they still haven't managed to fuck up yet is In Our Time, but I dread to think who will take over when the good Bragg retires. Going by how Emma Barnett getting Woman's Hour is the general direction they are going in then it will be the end of an era for me.

― calzino, Thursday, December 3, 2020

This is a sound analysis of how badly things are going. In our time.

the pinefox, Friday, 11 December 2020 11:07 (one month ago) link

NV <3

it has gotten better now that ben cooper isn't propping up its listening by making it relentlessly mainstream enough to simulcast half its shows on radio 1

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 December 2020 11:13 (one month ago) link

Yeah I didn't used to be a big fan but this year I've had it on a lot, lots of great music and the ratio of tunes to chat is much bettee

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 December 2020 11:20 (one month ago) link

I approve the imago-baiting of having Villa v Palace live BBC1 on Boxing day, but seems to trash the no-live-tv-games-at-3pm-saturday rule

J.G Ballard otm (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 11 December 2020 11:42 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

i didn't screenshot it, but i looked at the bbc and daily mail news websites last night and it was the bbc that had a triumphant brexit headline while the DM was focussed on mutant strains and death rates going back above 1000

plax (ico), Friday, 1 January 2021 09:36 (two weeks ago) link

HNY

plax (ico), Friday, 1 January 2021 09:36 (two weeks ago) link

Predictable start for Woman's Hour under Emma Barnett, the desperate attention seeking non-entity Shriver filling the air with racism and bigotry, another guest Kelechi, making anti-Semitic comments relating to Weinstein and Me Too. so fucking predictable.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:31 (one week ago) link

it's shocking the amount of platform the Beeb gives to irrelevant psychopaths like Shriver or Toby Young, there really is no rationale for it

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:35 (one week ago) link

there was an apology for Kelechi's comment, which I've not heard in context, but not no comment on Shriver's foul stream of the usual bigoted invective, she get's the same kind of free pass as Toby Young.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:42 (one week ago) link

i always get the feeling the “rationale” is a mixture of people like toby young being highly available and a lot of the time more relevant people being much less so. i can see quite easily the situation where they’re saying “come on, we need someone to pitch the other view, who have you got in your phone book we can get in?” “oh just get toby young he’s always around and can be relied on to give good value for money” etc.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:43 (one week ago) link

am i missing out on the regular anarcho-communists they have on these things?

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:45 (one week ago) link

the two sides usually seem to be "maybe the state should protect people a bit from the worst excesses of bigotry and/or poverty, if it's not really affecting me" versus "kill all out groups, let god sort them out"

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:49 (one week ago) link

i do think ash sarkar would be an example of someone who is available elsewhere (but probably at a different tier) - whatever Matthew Wright is now, for instance (is he still going? god that program was garbage apart from Candice calling the covid approach correctly in the face of a med health expert). Maybe Owen Jones is the Toby Young equivalent?

Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:59 (one week ago) link

They should just take the easy path and employ Toby Jones full time to just churn out random controversy.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:02 (one week ago) link

(and for what it's worth i think owen jones is fine, but i bet he really fucking boils some people's piss so they go what HIM. AGAIN.)

Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:03 (one week ago) link

Predictable start for Woman's Hour under Emma Barnett, the desperate attention seeking non-entity Shriver filling the air with racism and bigotry, another guest Kelechi, making anti-Semitic comments relating to Weinstein and Me Too. so fucking predictable.

― calzino, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:31 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this didn't happen afaik. kelechi didn't appear on air because she heard barnett bringing up her past anti- semitic comments and making it clear she would challenge her on them.

oscar bravo, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:06 (one week ago) link

Matthew Wright is now Jeremy Vine. Yes, I think being reliably controversial is what it's all about, which partly explains the love for Spiked among programme makers on both Sky and the BBC - Joanna Williams is very much flavour of the month these days.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:07 (one week ago) link

xp

ah thanks for clearing up my garbled take, I was reading it from other responses.

I know this is the wrong line of attack, but I still think someone whose wealthy upbringing was funded by exploitation of sex-workers and sex-trafficking shouldn't be let anywhere near Woman's Hour.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:12 (one week ago) link

Barnett does have strong feelings about AS though. I recall her on 5 live telling a caller that even if a potential Corbyn govt would improve their life, it would be an evil and selfish trade-off with the threat to UK Jews he presented.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:28 (one week ago) link

What is Ash Sarkar's tier?

She is more intelligent and incisive than anyone who has been on Woman's Hour in the last 5 years.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:13 (one week ago) link

maybe but that's a low bar

without making any excuses it's pretty clear that antisemitism is only a story when it's coming from people who are black and/or muslim and/or left wing. this is being used quite successfully as a (white) nationalist wedge issue

Left, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:28 (one week ago) link

Emma Barnett is Jewish but IIRC she wasn’t a fan before Corbyn got swift boated as antisemitic by all the toxic centrists.

Would be happy with people bringing up her pimp dad and her acceptance of same on the many occasions Me Too and sex work get discussed on WH.

scampopo (suzy), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:38 (one week ago) link

What is Ash Sarkar's tier?

She is more intelligent and incisive than anyone who has been on Woman's Hour in the last 5 years.


probably not newsnight? it’s not meant in a derogatory way. i think she’s ace, frankly. i don’t know how someone shows that much resilience, humour and spirit in the face of what must be daily abuse. more blitz spirit than the fragile oafs who threaten her.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:42 (one week ago) link

in case Americans are interested in how the BBC's political editor is covering the attempted coup attempt in the Capitol https://t.co/d6v8n1tv8v

— Owen Jones 🌹 (@OwenJones84) January 6, 2021

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:45 (one week ago) link

The woman’s hour thing was terrible, but the original comments by Kelechi were too. fuck giving Lionel Shriver an easy ride is my conclusion tbh

Laura K continues to get worse, wow

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:32 (one week ago) link

I'd like to think she's shitted up her rep this time, but I think she'll continue drawing a huge salary from the bbc and posting in the style we've become accustomed to. But trying to play down an attempted armed fascist coup is a new low even by her standards of disingenuous faux insider *reportage* on politics.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

"scuffles in the capitol" is pretty lol

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:05 (one week ago) link

A right old stooshie and a rammy in the captiol, aye.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:14 (one week ago) link

A bunch of blooming unruly young rascals in the capitol . Heavens above! How smashing!

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:19 (one week ago) link

Hancock spad bumps into a man and it's "things turned nasty when Labour activists punched Hancock" tho.
Fucking "scuffle"

stet, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:33 (one week ago) link

I think we should all reserve our judgement on this until we find out if they've harmed any statues.

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) January 6, 2021

calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:47 (one week ago) link

For Tom D

https://i.imgur.com/7bZfhry.jpg

Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:55 (one week ago) link

Aye, it's a sair fecht.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 22:55 (one week ago) link

i've been checking p frequently to see how long it takes for the school meals story to reach the bbc news front page. turns out 24 hours later, an apology and rebuttal from chartwells gets there first.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:48 (five days ago) link

ffs if they can't afford license fees they shouldn't get 54 " televisions from brighthouse at 99.99% APR

calzino, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:10 (five days ago) link

It was third story (after vaccines and deaths passing WWII) from after lunchtime - led in on Rashford

stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 00:04 (four days ago) link

(I was checking too, because fuck these fucks)

stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 00:06 (four days ago) link

disingenuous faux insider *reportage* on politics.

― calzino, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:48 (one week ago)

Very well described.

Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 01:06 (four days ago) link

kelechi didn't appear on air because she heard barnett bringing up her past anti- semitic comments and making it clear she would challenge her on them.

isn't the official story that Barnett heard about these comments moments before the show start?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 11:50 (four days ago) link


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