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is it really going to be dismantled?

D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Fox is buying it, I think.

andy, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

finally a FAIR and BALANCED view

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Both the BBC and Freaky Trigger websites have been unavailable for the last hour. I think this is clearly ominous.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

that's not true

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, it's back now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

is any of this true?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

What - you mean is the BBC being dismantled or have I been unable to access the BBC and FT for the last hour?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the BBC being dismantled...

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, they're probably making changes to the corporate governance. I don't really equate that with dismantling, so no.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

probably?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Well that's the impression I've got. I don't think many people think the current system of governors is that great. Maybe I'm wrong - I haven't been following it that closely - you probably know as much as me. I'll shut up now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Sheffield people will be familiar with the term

Blades Business Crew

Serious sheffield united hooligans

.....................strike me down..............

dddfdanon, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Ipswich people will be familair with the term

Ipswich Total Violence

(OK, I made that up and in fact when we supposedly had a "firm" they decided to call themselves The Spanners, why they did is anyone's guess)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

BBC blamed for attacks on Poles

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:01 (fourteen years ago) link

wtf @ that guy

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Tories, eh?

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Sub-Passantino at best

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:06 (fourteen years ago) link

At 6 feet 8½ inches (204 cm), Kawczynski is believed to be the tallest MP ever to sit in the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link

But the average height of doors in Westminster is six feet eight and now he wants ministers to take account of an increasingly tall UK population.

"Being officially a giant myself... you want to raise things which pertain to yourself and people like you," he said.

ISSUES4U

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Also I'm sure he said all this a couple of months ago somewhere else. Why has it come up again now?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, yes, in the Independent.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link

He'll be blaming the BBC for attacks on giants next

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd guess he has a point if he's talking about Tory voters mouthing off on the mid-morning phone-ins on local stations like BBC Radio Shropshire etc.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Conservative Friends of Poland

Like Neville Chamberlain, he means?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Pretty sure it's mostly Channel 4 running the anti-Polish stuff. But it is tricky spotting the difference between Panorama and the Völkischer Beobachter most weeks.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Max Mosley confirmed as new Panorama presenter.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

A step too far, this is causing as much kerfuffle as when the moved women's hour.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Friday, 12 June 2009 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/14/ben-bradshaw-bbc-management

the bbc does seem amazingly inept at covering its arse. it is kind of a symptom of a wider elite-class self-aggrandizement that the likes of byford and thompson think they deserve mad money, but it's still going to come back to bite them.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:31 (twelve years ago) link

beeb has kind of an impossible job in dealing with its critics, since they simultaneously claim the licence fee isn't justified because the bbc isn't populist enough and that it isn't justified because it doesn't provide enough specialised content that the commercial sector won't touch. i can't see that sharing the licence fee does anything to help except spreading it thinner.

agree that bbc bosses don't help the cause though.

joe, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

is it really going to be dismantled?
― D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (5 years ago)

Possibly, if - when - the Tories get in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/19/wed-abolish-bbc-trust-hunt

DavidM, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:07 (twelve years ago) link

Has to be a troll:

Pay per view BBC news would allow the lefties to view their own biased news reports while the rest of us could choose ITV news for more impartial reporting.

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:13 (twelve years ago) link

this business about "damaging commercial competitors" really pisses me off. we should be celebrating the fact that the BBC creates quality products and services for "free", not requiring it to dumb down its offerings so that something inferior and expensive can maintain market share.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:25 (twelve years ago) link

Whenever that comment is made, it is usually voiced by someone with vested interests eg. Murdoch. In America, Murdoch goes after Obama but here he goes after impartial news media. This should be a good compass for anyone wishing to locate the centre of power in any given country. Who does Murdoch go after in, say, China?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, you do wonder whether this is the quid for the quo of The Sun's support.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

tories don't need any outside encouragement to go after the bbc, tbh.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:37 (twelve years ago) link

So is the Mail anti-Beeb purely because of DMGT's regional newspapers? Or is there something else, aside from Jonathan Ross and the telly tax?

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:44 (twelve years ago) link

it's ideological - the bbc is full of lefties.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:47 (twelve years ago) link

not only that, the whole concept of the BBC is lefty.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:54 (twelve years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

modescalator (blueski), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:58 (twelve years ago) link

Patrick Moore is very right-wing on immigration too, unfortunately.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:05 (twelve years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

... and Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo and Nick Robinson and Quentin Letts ad nauseum

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:08 (twelve years ago) link

Michael Buerk is a Conservative?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:11 (twelve years ago) link

Only when it comes to the BBC employing women, I think... women who get jobs he wants, that is

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:12 (twelve years ago) link

sexist, conservative, racist - all the same

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:16 (twelve years ago) link

Regardless of how many sexist conservative racist rightwingers are employed there, the very existence of the BBC as a huge part of the media landscape is a slap in the face to Tory free market ideals, so obviously they want to pare it back. I don't think it's all about Murdoch.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (twelve years ago) link

In my own experience, sexism is not limited to conservative men!

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (twelve years ago) link

LOL, far from it!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

nothing says cerebral like being a pig ignorant anti vax nutter

I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 12:27 (four months ago) link

Rajan is despicable and utterly full of shit as well, he would make an ideal like for like Keunssberg replacement.

calzino, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 12:32 (four months ago) link

oh aye he's the worst, massive "i've got lots of uni mates who get me these jobs" energy

I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 12:36 (four months ago) link

These two paragraphs from Rajan on the BBC News site are a fucking disgrace as well:

Djokovic is, by any measure, a remarkable individual. Raised amidst two wars in the former Yugoslavia, by parents who sold the family gold and negotiated with loan sharks to fund his ambitions, he is fluent in six languages, arguably the greatest player ever to pick up a racket; and - most pertinently - a deeply committed libertarian who believes strongly in individual autonomy.

He has clearly thought deeply about the conflict between individual autonomy and the collective good - and he feels that, as an elite sportsman, his body is his business - in both senses of that word. He says he has an open mind, but as things stand, he will not get the jab.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60354068

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 13:15 (four months ago) link

No question as to what effect his actions has on others lol.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 13:24 (four months ago) link

Could have replaced those two paragraphs with. "He's a cunt and nobody likes him".

since dozzell was a fixture (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 13:24 (four months ago) link

on an unrelated note to him being a complete cunt i will maintain to my dying day that Federer is the GOAT and i don't care what the numbers say

I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 14:43 (four months ago) link

Absolutely.

since dozzell was a fixture (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 15:02 (four months ago) link

Yeah don't care about the stats

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 15:08 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

good to see the BBC expanding its coverage of old pop music to two nights of TV every week. maybe since BBC4 isn't working they could rename it Uncut and run non-stop music docs all week

Nordle (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:17 (three months ago) link

no wait leave a bit of room to stick everyfuckingthing with Mark Kermode involved in there too

Nordle (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:18 (three months ago) link

another thing they've done is replace Ash Sarkar with fucking Garry Kasparov as a Soviet Union commenter on Rise of the Nazis season 2. You might say "he lived there so fair enough" but the problem is he is a self-promoting know nothing one note grandstanding bullshit merchant and I stopped watching as soon as he came on. He should stick to getting his arse kicked at chess by a pc.

calzino, Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:27 (three months ago) link

“Uncut” would be a good way of describing BBC Four in more ways than one. but probably not for long…

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:40 (three months ago) link

good to see the BBC expanding its coverage of old pop music to two nights of TV every week. maybe since BBC4 isn't working they could rename it Uncut and run non-stop music docs all week

Sky Arts - or as I like to call it, The Andre Rieu Channel - pretty much does that already.

Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 March 2022 12:44 (three months ago) link

ha i was gonna mention Sky Arts but they still do the occasional opera or musical theatre broadcast so i let them off

Nordle (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 March 2022 13:38 (three months ago) link

They broadcast the Poly Styrene doc and show some pretty good art docs so they get a pass from me.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 6 March 2022 13:39 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Former beeb producer pushing anti-beeb shit now he's gone.

Odd that the BBC Politics pages don’t seem to have any reference to the Johnson comparison between Ukraine and Brexit. I may be wrong and have missed it. It seems to me to be a quite controversial thing to say and noteworthy in the current context. https://t.co/oaK9NDV59t

— Rob Burley (@RobBurl) March 19, 2022

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 March 2022 19:49 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

they should do more podcasts by comedians

hello duckness my old friend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 June 2022 08:59 (three weeks ago) link

lol i feel like that’s all they do

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 June 2022 09:04 (three weeks ago) link

that's what led me here this morning :D

hello duckness my old friend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 June 2022 09:09 (three weeks ago) link

I've had a blessed couple of hours of R3 listening without hearing one mention of the monarchy, some of the music was forgettable but soothing and made me think about how shouting fuck off at bbc radio content every few minutes is not good for your mental well being.

calzino, Sunday, 5 June 2022 10:34 (three weeks ago) link

although I'm not ruling out there might have been a jubilee reference and I inattentively didn't catch it.

calzino, Sunday, 5 June 2022 10:37 (three weeks ago) link

gah! and now between every piece of music there is some senile fuck talking about princess Margaret

calzino, Sunday, 5 June 2022 11:21 (three weeks ago) link

Craig Brown?

Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 5 June 2022 11:25 (three weeks ago) link

Lady in Waiting: My Extraordinary Life in the Shadow of the Crown author Anne Glenconner, and she's fucking tediously self important!

calzino, Sunday, 5 June 2022 11:32 (three weeks ago) link

Scott Mills is proof that there is no god

Armenian Idol (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 June 2022 08:28 (three weeks ago) link

That's a loss.

*Bit of news of my own today*

I’m delighted to say in September I’ll be joining Global, as co-host of @maitlis and @jonsopel’s new daily news podcast and Analysis and Investigations Editor for the whole network. My brief will be to supercharge the organisation’s video output. pic.twitter.com/tEJ0bgjXV0

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) June 20, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 June 2022 09:59 (one week ago) link

Newsnight looking like a dead man walking these days.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 June 2022 10:21 (one week ago) link

My LinkedIn has been going through absolute waves of "leaving the BBC" posts recently (mainly from the Throw The Proles Out of London thing and the product changes tbf). But all this is even before the promised 1000 redundancies kick in.

stet, Monday, 20 June 2022 19:08 (one week ago) link

Every now and then the BBC simply loves to publish what reads like a breathless puff piece about a complete maniac from the US political hellscape

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61789443

She was a natural campaigner, but fundraising lagged, so Mr Dent asked her father for a personal donation.

Her father had inherited land on the historic Galena Plantation and used the sprawling 8,000-acre property to restore the family farm, turning it into a premier quail hunting destination. The late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and Mississippi governors Barbour and Phil Bryant, became frequent guests.

Visitors of Fitch Farms could elect to stay in the former home of Confederate general and first grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, Nathan Bedford Forrest, which Mr Fitch had bought and transported onto the property.

Ms Fitch has told local media of "special" childhood memories at her father's farm, riding horses and hunting quail.

nashwan, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 10:48 (one week ago) link

Newsnight actually not bad tonight.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 21:49 (one week ago) link

Thornberry’s on Peston tonight which helps I guess.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 21:51 (one week ago) link

There’s some good soothing mick lynch content in the main thread fella

gyac, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 21:55 (one week ago) link

the BBC should let Paddy McGuinness host something, i'm sure he'd be popular

Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 June 2022 18:00 (one week ago) link

I'd love to know why the BBC pushed Gemma Collins so hard a while back, and why they stopped. I can understand the Daily Mail pushing her, because she generated a lot of free content, but she felt a poor fit for the BBC. Even on the level of "we have to make something trashy for the plebs". There was a frequently-trailed podcast, a bunch of awards show gigs, and puff-pieces such as this ("Gemma Collins is the New Meme Queen):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-41160646

It was odd given that she was a very limited talent who had become famous for a TV show on another channel. I only remember her for her teeth-clenched grin. Was her agent pally with someone at the BBC? Did she go to the same school as someone at the BBC? It was weird.

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 25 June 2022 20:55 (one week ago) link

Did she go to the same school as someone at the BBC?

This seems highly unlikely.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 June 2022 21:03 (one week ago) link

The podcast was a bit of a fluke. There were not high hopes for it but it got some traction initially and attracted an audience the BBC struggles with. So it got pushed hard.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 25 June 2022 21:17 (one week ago) link

Kate Bush -----> Glastonbury-----> Wimbledon

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Monday, 27 June 2022 07:17 (five days ago) link

Everywhere you look on social media at the moment, reality TV star Gemma Collins is there.

You probably can't scroll through Twitter without seeing her running around with a Shetland pony or crying about straighteners.

That's because she's the latest celeb to be turned into a meme queen online.

Think I'd managed not to hear of her till now!

the pinefox, Monday, 27 June 2022 07:41 (five days ago) link

Feel like her star's already in decline tbh

Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 June 2022 08:07 (five days ago) link

I’m surprised she never came up on your radar from this incident, pf!

broke: Kim Kardashian and Trump

woke: Gemma Collins and Jeremy Corbyn pic.twitter.com/dYW6w4ojuD

— Rachel 🪆 (@RachelDocca) October 29, 2018



The line about him on his bike still kills me

Gemma Collins meeting Jeremy Corbyn is the funniest story I’ve read in ages lmao https://t.co/zf1YqIj7oW pic.twitter.com/XPy5DEhsug

— Conor Behan (@ItsConorBehan) October 31, 2018

commonly known by his nickname, "MadBum" (gyac), Monday, 27 June 2022 08:23 (five days ago) link

All totally unfamiliar, but definitely slightly improves my estimation of this person I have only just heard of.

the pinefox, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:09 (five days ago) link

"The podcast was a bit of a fluke. There were not high hopes for it but it got some traction initially and attracted an audience the BBC struggles with. So it got pushed hard."

That would explain it. It's like how Adrian Chiles has a column in The Guardian where he shares hilarious anecdotes about going to the DIY shop to buy a table lamp. It's a strange fit.

She inspired this thread on DigitalSpy:
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2324068/is-gemma-collins-the-biggest-star-in-britain-right-now

I think of DigitalSpy as Ilxor but without the irony or wit or knowledge or literacy or charm or sophistication or style or anything. And then I feel bad because I'm looking down at people who sincerely like television. What's wrong with that? As the commentators there point out that she seems to have been positioned as a latter-day Jade Goody, but an empty, manufactured Jade Goody without any of the genuine offensively or conversely any of the sincerity. She did apparently go to private school and stage school, but not the same schools that BBC employees go to.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:17 (five days ago) link

And, hey, Ilxor has a thread about Adrian Chiles:
Most pooterish Adrian Chiles column

Which popped up after Googling "adrian chiles" "private eye" guardian. I understand now why he has a column with The Guardian!

Quoth Alba:
https://i.imgur.com/Ujcmqcf.jpeg

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:22 (five days ago) link

Gosh darn it:
https://i.imgur.com/Ujcmqcf.jpeg

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:22 (five days ago) link

Ashley Pomeroy, I don't know much about Digital Spy but I agree that it's nice to be nice to people who like TV. More specifically, there was a legendary ILM contributor, Robin Carmody, who would write very frequently with furious polemics against whatever people were saying on Digital Spy. I couldn't really tell why, but then he was an unusual character.

the pinefox, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:49 (five days ago) link

I dunno if there's a word for the kind of lightweight talk radio DJs that take up way too much air time on 5 Live and presumably other stations, where the show is just blathering about fuck all interspersed with no mark media celebs and unfunny anecdotes and humblebrags from the listeners

example: Scott Mills and Chris Clark, Laura Whitmore, god knows how many more

anyway, what the fuck is that about? does any sentient being enjoy this shit?

bury my heart in wounded kieth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 July 2022 08:18 (two hours ago) link

Chris Stark, not Clark

Stark and Mills have been on Radio 1 in the afternoon for more than 10 years. this autumn they’re moving to Radio 2. A lot of people like them. It’s extremely “LadBible” radio.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 2 July 2022 09:11 (one hour ago) link

Actual soccer coverage and discussion on 5live is now also suffused with "Banter" in a way it was not in the days of Mike Ingham.

I dislike it greatly, though I have a higher threshold for Chris Sutton than some do - finding him, in his way and on his day, quite shrewd and dry.

the pinefox, Saturday, 2 July 2022 09:22 (one hour ago) link

Sutton and Savage are as bad as each other, playing the Talk Sport controvery trolling games

bury my heart in wounded kieth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 July 2022 10:49 (one minute ago) link


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