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Search: Jeff Greenfield, Anderson Cooper, Paul Begala, Wolf Blitzer, Aaron Brown

Destroy: Tucker Carlson, James Carville, Paula Zahn

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Mine are the exact opposite of yours, except that I like Brown and hate Zahn. Also search Donna Brazile.
But what do we do with Larry King?

Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Forgot to Search Jeffrey Toobin, Soledad O'Brien and Destroy Christiane Amanpour and Bob Novak

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

How about just less Larry King?

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

And instead of destroying Novak alone, I'd get rid of the whole Capitol Gang

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Kill that Bill Schneider whiny fuck, too If this was a DOO, he'd be so gone.
Fuck it, just destroy the entire network already.

Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Destroy Christiane Amanpour

is that a joke? She's pretty much the most (only?) serious reporter they have. Bring back Rick Kaplan.

Destroy: Well pretty much all of it these days, but especially Bob Novak and Candy Crowley. Larry King is too funny/sad to destroy. I kinda like Tucker Carlson.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 16 February 2004 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link

That's why I hate her! You hear her voice and you know some boring, tired "serious" story is coming.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

SYM OTM!!! DESTROY IT ALL. BURN IT. KILL IT. I WAS THERE FOR THEIR WAR COVERAGE! I SAW WHAT THEY DID! GOD WILL PUNISH THEM. THEY ARE AS BAD AS BUSHCO AT HIS WORST. I HATE THEM. that one women with the sassy red hair is kinda sexy though. i can't remember her name.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

You guys that are "searching" Aaron Brown got ahold of some bad acid.

Broheems (diamond), Monday, 16 February 2004 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link

If Aaron Brown died tomorrow i would do a little jig. he's a pitiful excuse for a human being. he deserves misery and pain.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, I missed it cuz i don't have cable anymore. How was CNN's flu-bug coverage last year? It wasn't alarmist, was it?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Solidead O'Brien needs to die. Definetley D

Dante-Cubed (Sean3), Monday, 16 February 2004 01:16 (sixteen years ago) link

What's wrong w/ Aaron Brown?

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't really want aaron brown to die. that was mean. cnn just makes me so mad i get a little irrational. i just hate him. i really do. sanctimonious. smug. whiney. everything about him just reminds me of how skewed and wrong and fake cnn is. but that's just me, you know.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Is CNN more skewed, wrong or fake than any other news outlet?

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:12 (sixteen years ago) link

of course not. well, maybe. probably not. there is just more of it, thus more to hate.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:15 (sixteen years ago) link

That should've said "how..", btw, but it doesn't make a difference, I guess.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

let me put it this way, i trust cnn about as much as i trust george bush.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, it's far more skewed, wrong, and fake than the BBC. Check it out sometime, a lot of their radio and TV stuff is online. As a guy I interviewed last week in Brixton market said, speaking about the superior flavor of African bush meat, "it just don't taste the same. The difference is STARK." Seeing CNN on the airport zombie-monitors when I was back stateside for Christmas I felt the same way. You know how a lot of fashion and music magazines just condense and regurgitate press releases instead of actually writing their own stories? That's what CNN does, except their press releases come from the White House.

There's a guy teaching on my course who says he gave Wolf Blitzer his first job in news, it was at Reuters I think. He said he met up with The Blitz again years later at some correspondents' dinner and was like "when are you going to start asking people difficult questions?" Aw, don't cry, Wolf.

Is Bernard Shaw still on CNN? He may be my least favorite of the roster, past and present. I'll never forget the CNN-produced documentary of Gulf War I, wherein the network repackaged their "greatest hits" from the war and strung it all together with Bernie Shaw's solemn intonation of the Bush administration's own narrative take on the events. I'll never forget Shaw going "but the time for negotiations was over," accompanied by footage of Tomcats (or something) roaring off from the deck of a battleship. Did they mention Boutros Boutros-Ghali's offer of a round-table with Saddam? Did they fuck. Whatever you think of the particulars, and the rights and wrongs, we at least need to KNOW them.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh and fucking DESTROY "The Daily Show - Global Edition" because it's a few days behind and that fucking sux nexx

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Regardless of how you feel about CNN, complaining that their coverage of American news is more slanted than the BBCs is a little disengenous.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link

How so?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Because the BBC isn't an American network and doesn't have to operate under the same pressures (re: advertising, information, public opinion, etc...).

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:47 (sixteen years ago) link

the coverage of this war by all U.S. network news stations was just shameful and saddening. it was the kind of thing that makes you want to give up all hope for this country. the newspapers weren't much better. people in this country deserve so much better and they have no idea how badly they are beeing hoodwinked and lied to. it's the sin of omission. flu-bugs and bird viruses and janet's breast, etc. it's pitiful. and i can't see it ever getting better. just worse. i realize that there are a lot of republicans in the u.s. who don't have a problem with behemoth right-wing companies running the news business and skewing and omitting and neglecting and ignoring the stories that are not in those corporation's best interests, but hopefully the worse things get even they will see the light. time will tell. lying to the people is a national pasttime here so maybe that is a little optimistic.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link

You're making a mistake to lump the threat of pandemic flu w/ Janet.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:50 (sixteen years ago) link

And since when did "shameful and saddening"=not in accordance with Scott Seward's viewpoint?

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

an early flu season does not a pandemic make. i was using it as an example of a scare story/non-story that newspapers and television have always reveled in at the expense of news that actually does effect people but that is ignored because it isn't sexy enough. so, in a sense, there is nothing new there. it sells papers even if it is irresponsible and makes people panic. your second post i don't understand. do i come across as pro-shameful and saddening or something?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Excusing CNN's patheticness, lameness, and fakeness because they support themselves through advertising is disingenous, Colin. It's still pathetic, lame, and fake.

As for "information" and "public opinion," I wasn't aware that those things, whatever you mean by them, have no force outside of America. Curious.

But dude what am I talking about?? You "search" Aaron Brown and Wolf Blitzer. You are clearly not to be trusted w/opinions on television news!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link

1.I was talking about the bird flu when I mentioned pandemic flu. And an early flu season is big story because it directly changes epidemiological response which does effect people. Was it as big a story as CNN (or any other news outlet) reported it to be? Probably not. I'm not denying or defending sensationalism in media. But it's equally alarmist equate sensationalism with ignoring relevant stories or being too skewed to trust.

2.My second post was in response to you saying:
"the coverage of this war by all U.S. network news stations was just shameful and saddening. it was the kind of thing that makes you want to give up all hope for this country. the newspapers weren't much better. people in this country deserve so much better and they have no idea how badly they are beeing hoodwinked and lied to"
I was questioning your labeling of CNN "shameful and saddening" because their reporting wasn't in line with your point of view.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:36 (sixteen years ago) link

colin your Ss and Ds are nearly all backwards!

let me put a big fat fucking D on Lou Dobbs' racist, inflammatory series on illegal immigration

anyway, someone confirm this rumor for me: anderson cooper is gay.

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:38 (sixteen years ago) link

colin: okay, gotcha.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:40 (sixteen years ago) link

but i thought it was obvious that i, personally, found it shameful and saddening.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:42 (sixteen years ago) link

"Excusing CNN's patheticness, lameness, and fakeness because they support themselves through advertising is disingenous, Colin. It's still pathetic, lame, and fake."

I wasn't excusing it. Initally I was questioning why you you and Scott were in an uproar specifically about CNN. I don't think their biases were any worse than any American news outlet. Comparing their reporting on American news to the BBC's is irrelevant because when making the decision on what nightly news to watch for the average American, the BBC plays no role. You can use them for a standard, perhaps, on how American networks SHOULD report, but to say that CNN (or NBC or CBS or whoever) is worthless and evil because it doesn't match the BBC's standards misses the point of the original question. We should be doing something to change the effect Advertisers have on the media, yes, but while that's happening, I still need to watch the news and I don't think CNN is particularly bad option.

"As for "information" and "public opinion," I wasn't aware that those things, whatever you mean by them, have no force outside of America. Curious."
What a British audience will watch regarding America is very different from what an American audience will watch.

"But dude what am I talking about?? You "search" Aaron Brown and Wolf Blitzer. You are clearly not to be trusted w/opinions on television news! "

I think both of them are entertaining anchors and I'm able (as I'm sure you are) to filter the information I get from them.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:48 (sixteen years ago) link

let me put a big fat fucking D on Lou Dobbs' racist, inflammatory series on illegal immigration

Definitely.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:49 (sixteen years ago) link

my favorite story on the radio a week or so ago was about how the president of cnn admitted that the major networks playing the dean scream over 600 times in 4 days might have been a bit much. hmmm, you think? oh well, it's not like he could have done anything about it after cnn played it the 100th time, right? he wouldn't want to get in the way of his crack news team and their hard-nosed style of investigative journalism.

Colin, i did watch BBC America during the outbreak of the war and i have to say i preferred it to anything else. it was a relief actually to get a break from the bad graphics and theme songs.

and obviously, nothing against you here. just ranting a little. they piss me off THAT MUCH.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't know that BBC America also did news over here. Still though, that's not an option for most people.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I won't speak for scott, Colin, but "my point of view" is that news desks should clarify the entities (and relationships between entities) that they believe to be important in creating the events that unfold in the world. CNN's coverage of politics, war, health, etc is saddening and disastrous because it doesn't do this. With Iraq, for instance, they've just hitched a ride onto the White House's framework and way of looking at things.
Ahmed Chalabi - where are the feature packages on this guy? Or on his group, the Iraq National Congress, who fed so many lies into the Bush echo chamber? Was it for the INC's political gain? Were we conned? These questions don't appear in the Bush script, so CNN just refers to Chalabi as a "leading member of the Iraqi governing council." How am I supposed to "filter" that, if CNN is my news source? If facts were coffee, you'd be drinking a mighty weak brew.

The entities the White House considers important on any given day, CNN does too. The relationships the White House considers important on any given day, CNN does too. They don't even have the institutional memory for knowing how these relationships change over time. I don't think they're "Republican" or something, because they had the same kind of lazy approach when Bill Clinton was President.

There was an article somewhere after GWB did his "mission accomplished" dealie, flying in on a jet and everything, where a British journalist who attended that press conference was shocked at the obsequiousness of the Q&A afterwards, given all the questions that remained in the air. "In England," he said "the first thing we'd ask is 'how much did the taxpayers pay for the fuel in that jet?'"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:07 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't know about everywhere. it was on my cable in philly. that's how The Office sitcom got so big here. i also got the Democracy Now radio show on television courtesy of Drexel University's t.v. station DUTV and that was often eye-opening. you can listen to that on the web.people criticise Democracy Now for being too far-left in the free mumia vein, but they often have stories on there that no one else will touch.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

scott and tracer otm

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Your claim that CNN is entirely in the pocket of the White House is overstatement. I'm not gonna argue that their Iraq coverage was slanted towards the White House but using your selective viewing of CNN (how mcuh do you watch?, btw) as the experience needed to claim selective reporting to benefit the White House isn't very good research. Using Google, I found a CNN two-part interview w/ Chalabi.

"How am I supposed to "filter" that, if CNN is my news source? If facts were coffee, you'd be drinking a mighty weak brew."

By getting your news from a variety of sources. To say that BBC or Information Clearing House or Disinfo or whoever you're listening to are without their own biases is just as naive to only pay attention to CNN.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

No news organization is free of "bias." That's not even what I'm talking about. I'm saying CNN is far behind outfits like BBC, Reuters, and AP on basic journalism techniques: presenting each side's case in detail, devil's advocate questioning, and setting its own agenda. CNN simply doesn't do those things on a consisten basis. AP, Reuters, and the BBC do. Who's forcing you to watch CNN? American television journalism is SHIT, okay?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm saying CNN is far behind outfits like BBC, Reuters, and AP on basic journalism techniques: presenting each side's case in detail, devil's advocate questioning, and setting its own agenda

I don't watch enough to BBC to comment, but AP and Reuters, as wire services, function very differently than CNN, as a cable network. The question I raised initally was not "Is CNN the most reliable, ethical news service in the world?" but "Why all the anger directed specifically at CNN, when they're no worse than any other major network?".
I think what makes the issue of TV News more contentious than newspapers is that there's no real "editor", whose biases and agendas are clear. This was brought up a couple days ago when networks were trying to figure out how they should report the John Kerry affair story.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

They question you raised initially was Search and Destroy. Some of us said "destroy it all" and we've given you our reasons for it. You can take them or leave them.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:03 (sixteen years ago) link

FWIW I think all major network news in the US is shit. If this was "Search and Destroy: ABC News" I'd be here saying virtually the same thing. CNN comes in for special abuse because it's the default news channel for the world, along with the BBC, and the contrasts between the two don't flatter it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Bring back Rick Kaplan.

Results! (sort of - former CNN honcho Rick Kaplan apparently moving in at MSNBC)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...
"We'll be watching this kid" -- CNN's Wolf Blitzer, on TomKat Jr ("Situation Room," 4/18).

"I need professional help" -- CNN's Wolf Blitzer, on his taxes ("Situation Room," 4/17).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...
ten months pass...

headline that they had up on screen for about 3 minutes just now:

"Pres. Obama Joins GOP"

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:26 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

WTF 40% decline in viewership since last year?!? that is insane. cancel this shit somebody

Kaleidoscope Funk Network (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:40 (ten years ago) link

If someone came up to me and said "hey, if you cut off a finger, I can arrange for Wolf Blitzer to be fired and run out of the news business" I might consider the offer.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:42 (ten years ago) link

i think trying to play down the middle of the political spectrum has killed their viability

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:03 (ten years ago) link

their "objectivity" was always a total joke anyway

Kaleidoscope Funk Network (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:16 (ten years ago) link

i wonder if the end of lou dobbs tonight has had much of an effect

bodacious cowboy (hobbes), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 23:47 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...
three months pass...

Will he have to wear those braces too?

StanM, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 20:18 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

Not black or white: It's 'brown' comedy

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/31/obeidallah.brown.comedy/index.html?hpt=C2

Hundreds of people recently jammed themselves into a basement in New York City to listen to people with names like Mohammed, Nader, Aasif and Maysoon. What were they up to? Should the authorities be contacted? Is it time to raise the terror alert?

Nope, it was just another episode of "The Big Brown Comedy Hour," a stand-up show featuring a diverse group of comedians: Arabs, Indians, Iranians, Pakistanis and others...

Cunga, Monday, 31 January 2011 19:52 (nine years ago) link

zomg I saw this just now on CNN and my brain exploded.

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 31 January 2011 19:56 (nine years ago) link

"What if I told you Muslims were bringing the house down tonight -- not with blocks of C4 strapped to their chests, but through the power of comedy and laughter?"

Cunga, Monday, 31 January 2011 20:14 (nine years ago) link

"Did you know that Arabs, Indians & Pakistanis are FUNNY?"

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 31 January 2011 20:27 (nine years ago) link

They aren't black, Hispanic or white. They're brown.

Often, "hispanic" people refer to themselves as brown. Just saying!

kkvgz, Monday, 31 January 2011 20:31 (nine years ago) link

Soooo...where does John Boehner fit into this category? Or is he more Orange.

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 31 January 2011 20:40 (nine years ago) link

I hate their views but I could watch and marvel at Fox's bluster a thousand times before I can stomach Wolf Blitzer single out a blue tie the President's wearing and asking, "Is it a purple tie for bipartisanship?"

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 31 January 2011 20:55 (nine years ago) link

I can buy that. It's like the way NPR radio sometimes acts like it's a nature program for humans. And in doing this detached bemused reportage pushes its subjects down worse than if they just came out and said, "I cannot relate to you on any level so I am going to pretend that I can."

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 31 January 2011 21:13 (nine years ago) link

four years pass...

Wolf Blitzer was hyping an Osama bin Laden story after the break, new information about his last days: "...the love letters he was writing, the attacks he was planning." The wording made me laugh. Feels like it needs a third part: "the parties he was planning," "the scrapbooks he was assembling," "the blogs he was launching," something like that. At least he was keeping busy, I guess.

clemenza, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 23:18 (five years ago) link

D

deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 23:19 (five years ago) link

four months pass...
three months pass...

CNN had Jamal Simmons on today as a commentator. He was on pretty much every day in 2008, hardly at all in 2012, and haven't seen him since. Liked him a lot in '08--hope he's back on a regular basis.

clemenza, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:25 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

CNN (TV news in general) gets pilloried around here--I do it all the time--but Jake Tapper's interview with Scott Cross, the victim who spoke out against Dennis Hastert, was as good as it gets. I missed the Hastert story completely, till today (he was just released from prison).

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:01 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Making this title available to the world for a book on modern-day media's (especially CNN, and especially during the pandemic) 24-hour breaking-news/panic addiction: No News Is Terrible News.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 19:07 (six days ago) link


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