Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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George Formby - Leaning On A Motherfucking Lampost

calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:53 (two years ago) link

George also did Suck My Blackpool Rock tbfttl

cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:56 (two years ago) link

(b) he's married to julie christie :0

Crikey. Book does look v. interesting.

How does Spock's brain come into this? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 September 2021 12:25 (two years ago) link

Duncan Campbell has an interesting life. He had a really good TV series in 1994 accompanying his book on The Underworld which I'd like to see again.

He's often confused with the investigative journalist Duncan Campbell, who has this information on his own website:

Got the right person? This website belongs to the Duncan Campbell that revealed the existance of GCHQ and was one of the founders of UK gay rights pressure-group / charity Stonewall.

Other people with the name Duncan Campbell include a singer in the band UB40, the 2014 UK Turner prize winner, a deceased firebreathing Scottish preacher, and the former crime correspondent, News Editor, and Los Angeles correspondent of the Guardian. You may be looking for the latter, especially if your interest is serious/organised crime - please check his Guardian contributor page. If you wish to reach that other Duncan, then you have not found the right web page.

(This Duncan is NOT married to a famous actress, either. Sorry - you want the Serious Crime guy for that.)

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 5 September 2021 12:59 (two years ago) link

also not to be confused with the not famous at all Duncan Bell, a HG Welles obsessed Cambridge polprof type who probably wouldn't be a good crime reporter

calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:26 (two years ago) link

the idea of having to dis-confuse the two duncan campbells that are journalists is a genuine proustian madeleine of the countercultural 80s lol

mark s, Sunday, 5 September 2021 14:15 (two years ago) link

it probably isn't the reason he married julie christie but it's not NOT the reason

mark s, Sunday, 5 September 2021 14:15 (two years ago) link

One you contact by PGP key, the other via their literary agent: what a summary of differing fortunes!

Luna Schlosser, Monday, 6 September 2021 08:05 (two years ago) link

A section of a Judith Butler interview which connects terfs with the fash was edited out

I preserved it before it disappeared. Just so everyone can be witness to their gross pusillanimity. pic.twitter.com/BgVp9QMzT5

— James 💜 Loxley (@oldnorthroad) September 7, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link

Completely bizarre.

“ This article was edited on 7 September 2021 to reflect developments which occurred after the interview took place”

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link

developments which occurred

fc_TEFH28mo (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link

fuck this rag

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

Excited for Judith Butler's I've-been-cancelled LBC slot

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

Guardian UK and US is a hell of a conflict.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link

i just read about the butler thing. are they going to explain the developments? if they were bullied by terfs they should say so but they won't

criminally negligible (harbl), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link

I’m pretty sure they will issue an explanation given the amount of heat they’re getting and their editorial team’s ongoing need for self-justification.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:02 (two years ago) link

It's poor and it will be poor

plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link

Yes. At a guess, it will be something like ‘now that a criminal charge has resulted from the WiSpa incident, we felt it appropriate to completely redact the question and answer from the interview’, as a fig leaf.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link

the piece was commission by the Guardian US too which makes this intervention even stranger.

Lots of DMs:

Yes, they deleted a paragraph criticising gender critical feminism

Yes this is confusing, and (I'm told) unprecedented

Yes we asked for it reinstated (or as a last resort, republished)

Yes I offered a rewrite to bring it up-to-date

Yes I'm now going to bed

— Juliana☿ (@socialrepro) September 7, 2021

some details from the interviewer

ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link

I hadn't realised the British staff would have final veto power, tbh.

— Juliana☿ (@socialrepro) September 8, 2021

& confirmed that the uk guardian staff intervened which seems very unusual for a us guardian article? will be maddening if the uk branch starts intervening in the au guardian too which is somehow very good generally

ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 07:54 (two years ago) link

Their processes are fucked.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 08:50 (two years ago) link

the uk parent has also reportedly used this as a pretext to force the us guardian to scrap an entire (presumably trans-friendly seeing as it was the us guardian) series on trans issues of which this interview was intended to be the first part

hope there's some sort of pushback from the us staff or something

ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link

this really seems like unspoken toxic working culture / prejudice crossing over into explicit policy, not something that ever really ends well

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link

The idea humans don't need sex categories, that we're above such mundanities, is the ultimate luxury belief.
And it unsurprisingly emerged from an elite university in a superpower state https://t.co/cZhcM2YKZc

— Susanna Rustin (@SusannaRustin) September 7, 2021

*Checks bio* ok

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link

🚨 Facts are sacred 🚨

cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:53 (two years ago) link

Pretty edifying watching soi disant feminists who'd rather tear down feminist and gender theory than give up hating all trans people

cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:00 (two years ago) link

luxury belief

criminally negligible (harbl), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

Oh so now religious fundamentalists are bad? Because swerfs and terfs usually have no problem aligning with the Christians ones.

Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link

now that it's established that the other branches don't actually have editorial independence i'm really looking forward to "are the guardian us & au worse than they used to be" slowly becoming increasingly common

ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link

in the decades since this thread started the guardian kowtowed to the MI5 in a fashion that made the Murdoch papers look like slackers. Aligned themselves with the transphobes and expended industrial amounts of energy attacking Corbynism. We need to stop helping keep them alive by giving them reluctant hate clicks and treat them as nothing different different from the spectator or the telegraph going forwards. They need to die.

calzino, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link

Can confirm

plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 10:18 (two years ago) link

ShariVari's prediction was correct about their explanation but it makes no sense to me. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/guardian-judith-butler-interview-trans-terfs_n_6138d856e4b0f1b9706915be the criminal charge doesn't change the question or the answer, and even if they thought it was important to include they could just put an editor's note in brackets. it's just mindblowing how dishonest it is! btw i didn't even know the guardian had a separate u.s. or australian version.

criminally negligible (harbl), Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link

The author had rewritten the question to remove reference to that incident.

plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

the guardian au is solidly centre-left & genuinely one of the best news sources here. not inclined to centrist hand-wringing, left-bashing, transphobia, or anything like that, thankfully. it probably helps that australian labor isn't quite as terrible as uk labour (though they're still shit in plenty of ways) but also they're not as committed to defending the bad parts either

ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link

This is very true, though they do have one of the most annoying columnists in the world, Br1gid Del@ney

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:06 (two years ago) link

still not quite as inane as some of the uk's though

ufo, Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:10 (two years ago) link

Day 3 of a series of articles where a bunch of writers project whatever the hell they want on Emma Raducanu.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/14/emma-raducanu-famous-teenage-girls-young-women

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link

I veer between gentle outrage and "sorry you'll have to get used to it, these morons will never change" every time I hear or see her name this week

cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 07:55 (two years ago) link

There is a lot of bullshit in women's tennis and it's coverage but it is a space where women just win and can get on with whatever they want. As for Raducanu, she has just won! And you're telling me she hasn't? Ok..

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 09:20 (two years ago) link

Hadley Freeman appears to be leaving The Guardian after this weekend.

Suspect she’ll be taking the Woody Allen Innocent show on the road to The Times but we’ll see.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link

She’s got a few books to write, I guess? I think British Vogue stopped using her because she’s a transphobe (Edward the editor would not want someone like that writing for him).

the thin blue lying (suzy), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link

This would be, genuinely, on balance, a reason to read the Guardian.

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 September 2021 11:16 (two years ago) link

Hadley has deleted that tweet

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 September 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link

No reasons to ever read this rag beyond sheer fucking boredom.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 September 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link

On balance, I think contributing in some peculiar way to the departure of HF must rank as one of Jez's finest achievements

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/18/opinion-writing-has-changed-a-lot-since-i-started-out-its-time-for-something-new

Piedie Gimbel, Saturday, 18 September 2021 09:27 (two years ago) link

how wonderful it would be to live in that cloud of sweet obliviousness

that which does not chungus makes us chonger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 September 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link

hah come back and talk about your legacy when you've managed to write a piece that still gets memed to death 20 years later like Milne's "They can’t see why they are hated" does.

calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:00 (two years ago) link

well it turns out long Corbynism is good

calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link

It looks like she isn’t even leaving, it’s just the last column for Weekend, which is closing.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:16 (two years ago) link


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