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it's more than a baratza encore!

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 22:48 (one year ago) link

yeah but if you'd bought this instead of an Ode, you wouldn't now be looking for a replacement, cuz it's not gonna break. CHECKMATE

death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 22:54 (one year ago) link

(also, better grind quality than an Encore, and more versatility than an Ode - can do espresso grind no problem)

death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 24 January 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link

buncha coffee alchemists up in here, holy frijoles

i actually just started drinking coffee last week. seems to disagree w/me so i reckon it's back to tea, oh well. i have enjoyed my brief sojourn in the fast-paced cosmopolitan cafe realm but must bid it farewell 🫡

Cat? Cat??! CAT!! (cat), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 04:22 (one year ago) link

Coffee is a finicky mistress, but that's part of what I like about it. So many variables, such that, as much as you try to control things, you don't get the exact same cup twice. And I like changing up my beans a lot too. I was really feeling the Stumptown Homestead Blend, but even that started to bore my tastebuds after a while, so I keep switching. I have a Tandem sampler pack coming in the mail soon. Before my current beans, I had an Intelligentsia light roast blend I really liked.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 04:50 (one year ago) link

Coffee chooses you, yo udon't chose coffee. SO said my sources.

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:22 (one year ago) link

my doctor has suggested i give up coffee for a month to see if it will help w my migraines

i almost hurled my chair through the window but composed myself and said why, do you think i have a problem?

so i cut down to just one cup a day for a few days. i'm now on day 2 of just a cup of tea in the morning. tomorrow i have nothing

i feel very... faded. kind of xanax-ed out. it's not unpleasant actually. but not conducive to work. i struggle to find the words to say when asked a question

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 January 2023 09:51 (one year ago) link

Has it helped though

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Friday, 27 January 2023 09:53 (one year ago) link

well my migraines only happen maybe every three weeks? So it's hard to say. i'm not sure what the end-game is here. if I don't get a migraine for another month do I assume that staying off coffee has helped? and then I keep staying off it? idk

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 January 2023 09:55 (one year ago) link

I am going to have a follow-up w this dude in 6 weeks, I will ask him then

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 January 2023 09:55 (one year ago) link

Exercising first thing in the morning effectively replaced coffee for me when I stopped drinking it for a few years pre-pandemic (back on the stuff now), though I wasn't a super heavy coffee drinker anyway (1-1.5 cups/day).

Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Friday, 27 January 2023 13:35 (one year ago) link

never touched the stuff until about a decade ago traveling 7000km for a conference and having to sit through the most boring workshops... it saved my life and I've stuck with it ever since. Thank you, Coffee.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 27 January 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

On the occasional days where I don't get to have coffee in the morning — because we forgot to buy more or I'm in a hurry or whatever — I'm always a little surprised that its absence doesn't seem to particularly affect me. I look forward to it and enjoy it so much that I sort of assume that I must need it, but I think it's mostly that I like it. I could give it up I think, but why on earth would I?

I on the other hand am so paranoid about becoming one of those people who needs a coffee in the morning to function that I limit myself to two or three cups a week.

ledge, Friday, 27 January 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link

If I don't have a morning coffee for whatever reason the worst I've felt is a dull headache in the afternoon

Evan, Friday, 27 January 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link

same, and a bit logy. 25 g's a day. More if my sleep was really shit. I'm not real clear on how much bean is in your average to go cup.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 27 January 2023 14:04 (one year ago) link

XP have you ever gone days without it though? When I quit for a while, my memory is that the worst I felt was a few days in.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 27 January 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link

if I don't have coffee, I end up getting an extremely sharp headache, I can't do it

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link

then there is the possibility that coffee treats mild adhd

| (Latham Green), Friday, 27 January 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link

coffee is nice makes me think pure thoughts

lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link

now you’re just trying to hurt me

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 January 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link

keep seeing this thread so i broke out the chemex this morning and tried resetting my process. the beans i have are a little too roasty but overall not bad!

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 January 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link

I bought a seperate littel ONE CUP DOES YOU machine for other family members who wanted flaoured coffee as I don' tintend to taint the main coffee master

| (Latham Green), Friday, 27 January 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link

now you’re just trying to hurt me

― Tracer Hand, Friday, January 27, 2023 10:32 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i would not do that my thoughts are too pure

lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link

single origin heirloom thoughts are the purest

Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Friday, 27 January 2023 15:55 (one year ago) link

otm

lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link

My thoughts are crapped out by a cat

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 27 January 2023 16:00 (one year ago) link

considering this purchase

https://www.communitycoffee.com/products/coffee/12-oz-whole-bean-colombia-toledo-labateca

it was my parent's daily grind when I was growing up

| (Latham Green), Friday, 27 January 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

I'll bet its good -- the best mid-grade, non-precious coffee is always from Colombia

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 27 January 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link

I'm partial to Guatemalan beans. If my midrange store isn't just selling the same thing in every bag..frigged if i know

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 27 January 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

absolutely nothing wrong with being addicted hardcore to coffee imho

ꙮ (map), Friday, 27 January 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

I'm counting on it to hold off dementia for an extra year or two so I can really enjoy those years as a Wal-Mart greeter.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 27 January 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link

oh i don’t care about being addicted to it either. i’m completely pissed off about this entire turn of events

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 January 2023 18:57 (one year ago) link

If your beans are oily, do not buy those beans again. Good coffee beans will not look shiny or oily.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 28 January 2023 21:42 (one year ago) link

i love oily beans, rub em on my face. they're very good for your skin.

ꙮ (map), Saturday, 28 January 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link

https://sagebrushcoffee.com/blogs/education/common-fallacy-of-oily-coffee-beans

never noticed this but then again maybe I'm just an oil lover

| (Latham Green), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

I'm strictly a light-roast guy, at least for drip brewing. Espresso can be good with a darker roast.

o. nate, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link

i like medium roast im a big medium guy

lag∞n, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link

medium is a good roast. today’s office coffee is quite a bit darker than i’d like.

call all destroyer, Monday, 30 January 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link

I love a good cup of coffee, in almost all forms. But visiting family overseas, I just couldn't get used to the all espresso, all the time model. Wake, turn on the impressive machine. Wait, for temp and pressure. Grind coffee, press into the whatever, draw a double, then stream or add a bunch of milk. Plus cleaning. It's lovely and a nice routine, but sometimes you just want a deep cup of coffee and not an espresso or milky espresso drink.

I realize that this is the model in a lot of places ( just as the model here is likely generally simpler than my own pourover), but I just kept feeling that at the end of the process I was already ready to start it all over again and brew another one, and that's not taking into account everyone else waiting to make *their* coffee. Lotta work.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 January 2023 16:23 (one year ago) link

lot of ppl over there use the "stovetop espresso" pots prob cause its easier, not really espresso tho

lag∞n, Monday, 30 January 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link

yeah, that seemed to be the backup, and beneficial if you need to brew for more than one, but it's pretty inferior to drip/pour/espresso, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 January 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link

yeah its not great

lag∞n, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

i love a stovetop moka pot espresso
makes me homesick, that’s what i used when i was first out of college etc … mum still uses one occasionally, which is def preferable to the instant coffee her & dad normally do

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:17 (one year ago) link

I'm strictly a light-roast guy, at least for drip brewing. Espresso can be good with a darker roast.

― o. nate, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:45 (one hour ago) link

I much prefer medium roast for espresso too. Urban legend, perhaps true, is that espresso was never particularly meant to be dark and the only reason we associate it with that is that the immigrants who brought espresso here were less well off and used cheaper beans (which are usually roasted darker to mask defects).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link

I love a good cup of coffee, in almost all forms. But visiting family overseas, I just couldn't get used to the all espresso, all the time model. Wake, turn on the impressive machine. Wait, for temp and pressure. Grind coffee, press into the whatever, draw a double, then stream or add a bunch of milk. Plus cleaning. It's lovely and a nice routine, but sometimes you just want a deep cup of coffee and not an espresso or milky espresso drink.

I realize that this is the model in a lot of places ( just as the model here is likely generally simpler than my own pourover), but I just kept feeling that at the end of the process I was already ready to start it all over again and brew another one, and that's not taking into account everyone else waiting to make *their* coffee. Lotta work.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 30, 2023 11:23 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is part of why I never wound up fixing my Pavoni once it broke (coinciding when I also started to have to get young kids ready in the morning). The think took SO much time and effort - at least several minutes to heat up, grind, tamp, lock, pull, froth the milk, and incredibly annoying to clean (which you also had to do before pulling another shot if you wanted another) -- in fact I never really figured out an efficient way to do it, but largely used wet q-tips. Coffee was SO good, and when I retire or when the kids are older maybe I'll get back to it. Also making coffee for guests was insane - I'd be in the kitchen for like 30 minutes missing conversation.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link

the coffee urban legend i like is that places like starbucks use intensely oily dark roasts that taste like crap because everyone just gets junky sugary borderline-milkshake drinks anyway so you need that to be able to taste the coffee at all

the late great, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link

It's basically the same idea too -- Starbucks uses shitty beans primarily sourced from Brazil, and roasting them dark and oily masks a lot of the flaws in the taste (although not that well tbh) and makes the beans look fancier, plus as you point out they get drowned in other flavors anyway. Also I think there's a perception that dark = "strong" (which is of course not true in terms of caffeine).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link

i liked the article latham green posted, particularly for this bit:

This leads to my last point of this discussion. You have control over your coffee

for me this is really the best part of grinding beans and doing a pour over with a reliable adjustable kettle. i just get whatever cool single origin beans my favorite local small roaster has new (natural process ethiopian, honey process from colombia, washed beans from mexico, etc) and then adjust grind, temp etc as needed to get something to my taste

one of the aha moments for me was learning the "coffee compass", this is not the original one i saw but it gets the idea across

https://khymos.org/wp-content/2021/02/Coffee-Compass-1024x1024_1024x1024.jpg

xp i generally assume light roasts have the most caffeine, since (like any alkaloid) caffeine molecules are going to be degraded by heat, though as the almighty coffee compass teaches the particulars of extraction are going to play a big part in how much makes it into your cup

the late great, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

I don't think roast has much effect on caffeine, but some espresso blends use more Robusta beans which are higher in caffeine than Arabica.

o. nate, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link


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