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Today I was working from home. Predictably some might say this has involved me actually doing not a stroke of constructive work, for which I am getting paid. (I do feel quite bad about this, more for christ-where's-my-willpower-gone reasons than guilt reasons).

Is my case typical i.e. is working from home a skiver's charter? Or is the ideal a reality for some lucky and conscientious souls?

(PS The upshot of this is that no way must I spend all my time on ILE tomorrow so feel free to shout at me if I do.)

Tom, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

possible reason feeling blue, tom? i worked at home for 2 months straight last year and came close to going bonkers. try picking up yr laptop and hoofing it to the park?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i do less work at "work" these days: currently i am blaming the taliban

mark s, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i blame the taliban for my inability to get past level 9 in nes tetris.

working at home = dud for me. 6 mos. of freelancing for aol and i was ready to comit hara kiri with a letter opener.

jess, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i write essays from home and do alot of my prep work from home . Teachers and Students do about half there work from home.

anthony, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ti ti tiki wikki! Whats it all mean Tom? destroy your desire

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Regardless of where I am, I get nothing done. At least, at home, I get stuff done that's important to me. And I avoid carcinogenic inhalants.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I tend to postpone work when I am home. Because I would get a slap on the wrists if work wasn't done, I have to do it late at night.

Helen Fordsdale, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to be able to work from home...I used to say "maybe I could take some books home and catalogue them there...or e-mail the inter- library loan requests from the comfort of my room"...but, hmmmmmm, my job was never deemed important enough to be able to direct operations from my base.

james, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I worked from home two days a week for 12 months in my last job (until there was a change of management and such privileges were taken away). The dial-up connection was never fast enough to allow effective multi-tasking, so the Oracle, VMS, Outlook Express and MS Word sessions had to yield to the Web. Unfortunate, but there you go. I enjoyed the 4-hour 'lunch-breaks' most of all.

Always got stuff done though - often at 9pm on the Sunday night when server traffic was quiet and my conscience was playing up.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I tend to get a lot of dusting done. I've got a Ken Dodd 'tickling stick' now, so every cloud has a silver lining. Insect eradication can be quite time consuming too, and the cistern's got a troublesome leak that I'm going to have to try and sort out sooner or later. As a first step I have turned the water off at the stop-cock, just to make sure. Step 2 is a mystery. I might ponder it at lunchtime. I think I'll need to get some kind of watertight sealant, and I'm buggered if I'm going to waste a weekend doing that.

Peter Miller, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Working from home brings the worst insticts to the surface. That is, that housewife lurking in the subconscious region of any woman's mind after years of hearing 'tidy your room, you are worse than a bloke'. I always end up flicking through some dusty copy of Delia's, popping to Sainsbury's to purchase the ingredients and when the cooking is over, I decide it is better to get along to the office for a cup of coffee and a chat because that is really sad and we are in the 21st century and I should be more like Sarah Jessica and her mates

Laetitia, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

my brother got so mental when he was working at home (he's a web designer) that he made this website up about working from home! http://www.egrindstone.co.uk/ whenever i take a day off my real job to get stuff done at home (or work on my other stuff) i get nothing done. Apparently Magritte used to get up every morning and walk around the block as if he was leaving home and arriving at work, and he would do the same thing around teatime as if going home. Still he was rubbish at faces so what would he

ian scanlon, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

working from home: classic
working from home when your flatmate has been made redundant and is mooching around the flat with his annoying boyfriend all day: DUD DUD DUD oh god just go awayyyyyyyyy

lex pretend, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:13 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

I twisted my knee playing football last night (that's why I'd stopped playing!), and couldn't walk properly today as a result, so I emailed in sick to work, and told them I had various things I'd do online and that I'd be available via email and my work mobile. As result I've actually been marked down as "home working" today rather than on sick leave.

This is the first time I've done this (although I do, if off sick or on leave, generally check work emails reasonably regularly - especially when I was off after my hernia operation for instance), and it's been surprisingly productive; I've organised as many if not more things as I would have done had I been in the office, sent a gazillion emails chasing various things, edited a load of copy, drafted some new web pages, AND had a nap and stroked the cats. And all while wearing a pair of shorts and a t-shirt that are full of holes and not fit to be seen in public.

I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

i'm working from home today and it is fucking amazing.

-shouting abuse at co-workers who can't hear you in response to their emails
-singing along to records
-cooking your own lunch
-not bothering to pretend to work if there's a lull or you're done by 1600
-no commute obviously

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 February 2013 13:04 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

I have been working from home for almost four years. I can only see advantages. If you're office based and you have Skype, Webex and so forth I really don't see any reason *not* to. The people who still insist on buying or renting huge energy consuming, Earth destroying office space (space which could be used so much more constructively, be it for housing, parkland or given back to nature) are truly behind the curve.

What I'm interested in -- and I'm interested to know if there has been research in these areas:

(a) Has anyone done serious calculations of how much energy we could save (inter)nationally if everyone who *could* work from home did so and secondly,

(b) from a sociological point of view, the focus has been on the negative ("you can't get to know/work properly with people who don't see and physically interract with, ergo groups of home working people are doomed to failure") but shouldn't we also consider the flipside, that home working allows for people to be judged on their true merits, rather than the ad hominem nasty stuff that comes to the fore when people have to share a space?

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:53 (seven years ago) link

Heh, my wife just started doing this full-time and has liked it so far.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, a couple people at my office must have asked about the possibility because the partners sent out this really passive-aggressive email at the start of the year about how it will never be a possibility here because, basically, "it is impossible to believe that anyone could work productively out of their home". It was just laughably obnoxious and reductive about any possible benefits. (Of course, several months later one of the partners' favorites moved to Texas with her husband and was suddenly approved to work "remotely")

Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:57 (seven years ago) link

five years pass...

I don't ever want to do it

with my immunocompromised status and the virus terror, I may have to

BUT

the plantation I contract for, at a pitiful wage, uses a "VPN" that requires use of your

PHONE

which I do not have and do not want

fuck apps, fuck texts

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:51 (one year ago) link

is that app PingID?

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:52 (one year ago) link

no

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:56 (one year ago) link

Full time wfh since Oct 2012. Best thing ever. Makes work not suck. Def still look forward to the weekends but I no longer dread Monday. Limits my "advancement" options but I don't care; if I could maintain current position now thru retirement I'd be thrilled.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 12 March 2020 05:03 (one year ago) link

makes personal traveling mid-week possible. it's harder now that I changed roles, but when I was working in implementations, all they cared about is that I worked, not where I worked from, so sometimes I'd head out of town mid week and bring my laptop.

did manage to go to Vegas midweek last year because i had no classes that week

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 05:04 (one year ago) link

I’m starting to wonder whether spending £4500 a year on train tickets so I can commute to London, sit in an office and have web conferences with my colleagues and customers around the world is the most productive use of my time and money. The big problem with working from home ime is that it is much harder to put a cap on the day. I’m more likely to agree to 7pm meetings or answer emails at 10pm than I am if I have physically left my place of work.

ShariVari, Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:06 (one year ago) link

Full time WFH since May 2015. It is definitely harder to put a cap on the day, though I don't really have meetings or emails to answer (I'm a web dev)

Its the job content itself as much as the WFH but I've changed around my perspective to not see work in terms of hours or blocks of time like this, but blocks of stuff that I need to have built by the end of the week or month. This means the delineation between own time and work time is more entwined. Mentally I'm kind of always at work but also never at work, I don't know if its better or not but I don't miss my 90 minute each way commute!

cherry blossom, Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:23 (one year ago) link

I feel a lot of the risk could have been mitigated if more organisations were better at actually allowing people to work staggered or different hours - fewer people on public transport at peak times, less crowding on train/tube platforms (can’t count the number of times I’ve been in a crush of a few hundred people waiting to get on a tube train) and management doesn’t have to pretend it cares about having a coherent wfh policy. My parents have never worked more than ten minutes from where they live and I envy them.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:56 (one year ago) link

I feel a lot of the risk could have been mitigated if more organisations were better at actually allowing people to work staggered or different hours - fewer people on public transport at peak times, less crowding on train/tube platforms (can’t count the number of times I’ve been in a crush of a few hundred people waiting to get on a tube train) and management doesn’t have to pretend it cares about having a coherent wfh policy. My parents have never worked more than ten minutes from where they live and I envy them.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:56 (one year ago) link

WFH today. Probably one of many. Technically I am a 'remote worker' anyway, having been made one about a year ago, but I still come into the office as it's about 10 mins cycle away. Frankly I've nowhere to work at home - I have a small desk in my room that's uncomfortable to sit at, and my sofa and kitchen table are no better.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 12 March 2020 09:58 (one year ago) link

been asked to supply emergency contact info at work in case of

lol

"adverse weather closing the office"

politics is the art of what cannot be said etc

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:10 (one year ago) link

The big problem with working from home ime is that it is much harder to put a cap on the day. I’m more likely to agree to 7pm meetings or answer emails at 10pm than I am if I have physically left my place of work.

We have a pretty flexible working culture with a lot of working from home and honestly it's great, but it only works if you're prepared to treat people like grown-ups. TBH I'd retain the same boundaries as you do in the office. I don't especially mind working a bit later if I'm not going to be commuting home, but if you do have a 7pm meeting what's to stop you taking a longer lunch break or similar. As long as you get the work done when you're supposed to, who cares?

International meetings make things harder, but one way psychologically to put a cap on the day is just to make a clean break by immediately doing something that absolutely says to yourself I Am Not At Work Any More. Cooking, opening a beer, playing a video game, whatever. If you just start tapering off it becomes very easy to get dragged back into it.

Matt DC, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:01 (one year ago) link

I'm a freelancer, about 80% of my work is on-site at various places, just had my first conversation this morning about an office shutdown, guessing that most everywhere else will follow, shit is going to get tight.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:07 (one year ago) link

no wonder u ppl are on ilx all fucking day

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:08 (one year ago) link

Been WFH since 2017. Love it. Possibly starting a 9-5 office job on Monday, though, and not sure how I feel about that (besides “thanks for the money”)...

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:18 (one year ago) link

The lifeblood of ILX the entire internet is bored office workers, moreso without the office.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:32 (one year ago) link

its a turning point in history

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:25 (one year ago) link

in a bad way

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:25 (one year ago) link

let's run all the megapolls we've been fantasising about

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:29 (one year ago) link

i hope office buildings empty out like suburban malls and are repurposed into affordable housing.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:56 (one year ago) link

Does anyone do this with kids in the house? Seems kind of impossible without turning child into tv zombie

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:59 (one year ago) link

Looks like this will be me from next week, or even maybe tomorrow. My plan is to move to the conservatory and stock up on educational software / film downloads for them.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:03 (one year ago) link

I cannot work with kids disturbing me, this is going to be hard.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:03 (one year ago) link

turn child into book and board game zombie imo

my carrom board is finally gonna get some use, v excited to get good

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:04 (one year ago) link

i hope office buildings empty out like suburban malls and are repurposed into affordable housing.

― Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:56 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:07 (one year ago) link

I wish I could find that faux-pamphlet from a few years back about an office building gradually turning into an overgrown post-apocalyptic ecosystem

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:13 (one year ago) link

I've worked from home for almost 19 years. I expect it to all come crashing down around my ears any day now.

Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (one year ago) link

i don't maintain much of a social circle outside of work (mostly just my wife, my parents, and my cat) so I do think I benefit from the social aspects of coming into an office every day and interacting with people. i'm lucky in my position that I typically don't HAVE to do much interacting in any given day if I don't feel like it, but if I do then there are always people around who want to shoot the shit.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (one year ago) link

Does anyone do this with kids in the house? Seems kind of impossible without turning child into tv zombie

i do but there's always another carer around. she (child not carer) occasionally comes up to spin around on my chair but generally respects the sanctity of the office space.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:20 (one year ago) link

that sanctity in full:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKxqy9SJ-0I

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:25 (one year ago) link

Spare a thought for us poor sods who can't work from home, we're dead.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:26 (one year ago) link

My first day of working at home. Not without its downsides, but I did watch an episode of Kojak during my lunch hour, and so without coronavirus I would possibly never known about this meeting of the titans

https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1346970079_6.jpg

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:33 (one year ago) link

My commute is minimal, half hour walk, 15 by bus, 10 by bike. Still prefer rolling out my bed minutes before work starts.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 04:26 (one month ago) link

cat was being a dick and waking me up multiple times through the night. slept in by an hour. nobody notices. i love you wfh

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 17:33 (one month ago) link

so we're still all in WFH mode and now they're not even requiring people to pick up equipment for WFH at the office anymore, but they're shipping (which is the right move, of course).

But nobody at my company can fucking pivot, or ever wants to acknowledge potential obstacles, so they based the whole strategy on the idea that everybody would get their package on time and there'd never be any delays/issues, ever. so now we wind up with learners who on Day 1, have zero equipment and can't do anything besides log in and listen.

some of these people don't get their equipment for two full days, so they fall two days behind. they won't let us bump start dates of class, of course, so these people wind up two days behind and some of them get frustrated and quit. or, we have to move them to another start date class weeks in the future (which means weeks without income for them that they expected to have).

the "radical thinking" of sending the equipment a day earlier met with resistance from just about every leader. "what if they open it early, before their hire date?"

well, for one, they won't be able to log into anything. and is this not preferable to having 20% of a class quit or get moved to a later class?

and then these same assholes ask why we have such high attrition.

there's too much fucking shit on me (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 16:45 (one month ago) link

so we shipped someone everything but the actual PC. monitor, mouse, etc. they're on Day 3 of training and have no computer still.

gee wonder why people quit.

also one of the other ones was sent a defective machine, and at least 3 people in the last week indicated we sent them the wrong cords.

there's too much fucking shit on me (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 13:46 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

going in a few times a week and it's getting painfully obvious that I really do not need to be in this particular building whatsoever to get my job done!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

other than to justify the stupid office space this makes zero sense

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

is there any way to bring that up? like, okay, i trialled this. here are the advantages to me and to the company of doing this (not much), here are the disadvantages, let’s be sensible.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

yes, my boss who works remotely from his home in ANOTHER state tells me he is looking into some kind of compromise for some of us that don't benefit greatly from in office work, so we'll see.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

Here are your Great Moments in Classist Bullshit for today.

My company, for its agents, has an unplanned absence line, has been in place for years. You're going to be out, you simply call it.

Very easy.

Welp, now they're changing to....a cell phone app, for Android or iPhone. Old line is being retired for the teams going on the new interaction platform.

This assumes the agents (who are the lowest on the pay totem pole) all can afford or desire to have the latest and greatest phones, and people who use older, cheaper phones with outdated iOS/OS won't be able to download it.

In fact, got my first agent today that said they had a very old iPhone that could not download the app because it required iOS 13 or higher. so I was told they just have to tell their manager when they're out and it might delay notification to Workforce Management of their absence.

So.....everybody with the right cell phone gets to avoid talking to anybody and just submit their absence online, and everything's taken care of ASAP. People who can't afford or don't want the newest fancy gadgets might have to call and talk to a manager who might try and talk them out of calling out, and will temporarily show as a No-Call No Show in the system.

that is fucking bullshit. I already shared my concerns with my boss's boss but trying to find out who I can escalate this to. it's discriminatory

you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 20:52 (one week ago) link

That is awful, glad you are pushing back on that.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 21:01 (one week ago) link

Good for you, I'm definitely stubborn about smartphone requirements. It was nothing as essential as that, but there was a work app to help coordinate a conference, and I couldn't download it on my old android Galaxy S6 or whatever. I was basically like, well, that won't be happening, guess I'll look at someone else's phone if necessary.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 16 September 2021 16:20 (one week ago) link

made the HR report/complaint today.

I suspect there might actually be a secondary option available that hasn't been broadly communicated, but nobody seems interested in sharing it, so this should force that out into the open.

did it anonymously so my boss's boss doesn't think I am selling her out, as it was not her decision (it was leadership's).

you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 September 2021 16:44 (one week ago) link

i am so disengaged due to life distractions and the aforementioend issues that I'm barely phoning it in at a very low level right now. wonder how long before someone notices.

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:00 (four days ago) link

every single group zoom call makes me want to scream now

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 September 2021 00:30 (three days ago) link

Well thats what mute is for ive always presumed

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2021 00:36 (three days ago) link

I did a lot of group zoom calls with my family over the last year, but we got really tired of it and we can see each other in person now. I just participate in zoom book club meetings at this point, since our members are scattered across the country

Dan S, Thursday, 23 September 2021 00:50 (three days ago) link

In practical terms I've only had to do two regular Zoom meetings a month, each an hour long, one with a team of about ten and the other just three. I can live with that, and certainly I'm not going back until maybe sometime in March.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 September 2021 01:03 (three days ago) link

i’m in them at least 2-3 times a week for work now & i hate every minute

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 September 2021 01:34 (three days ago) link

genuine question--if you don't mind articulating, what do you hate about zoom meetings?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:20 (three days ago) link

Fucking sitting down at a desk/table in my house or wherever. I don't mind Zoom at my work office, oddly. No question it's made life easier: no need to drive to campus for that 30-minute meeting, but the idea of Zoom-ing all day induces vomiting.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:38 (three days ago) link

xpost

varying connection speeds
loudness/softness due to connection speeds
tinny voices due to connection speeds
ppl talking over each other

i find them v exhausting with my particular group of coworkers

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:43 (three days ago) link

if i could remote work without video meetings i’d be v happy

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:43 (three days ago) link

ppl talking over each other

i find them v exhausting with my particular group of coworkers

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl)

^^ this. Imagine egotistical faculty.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:44 (three days ago) link

try 12 salespeople 😖

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:50 (three days ago) link

yeah that's interesting because some of the positive feedback i've heard is that zoom kind of flattens everyone so that no one person can take over a discussion. but university faculty would probably take that as a challenge ime

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:56 (three days ago) link

lol as would salespeople on their worst behavior

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 September 2021 02:57 (three days ago) link

Feel like exactly the opposite is true tbh, v easy to take over a zoom call and any more than about 5 on it requires srs management

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2021 08:44 (three days ago) link

Feel like exactly the opposite is true tbh, v easy to take over a zoom call and any more than about 5 on it requires srs management

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2021 08:45 (three days ago) link

i'm in like 3-5 zoom calls per day, it's just what work is now. i've gotten used to it i think. one nice thing that some people have started doing is scheduling them to start at 5 or 10 minutes past the hour or whatever, so you don't going directly back to back.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:32 (three days ago) link

or whatever the english for that sentiment is

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:32 (three days ago) link

Bluetooth headphones save my sanity on long remote meetings. I roam all over the place, clean cat boxes, yell nsfw nonsequiters, use my giant tape roller on the floors, water plants. Super thankful most don't use video anymore.

Jaq, Thursday, 23 September 2021 14:04 (three days ago) link

Same. My office is on Skype. Boss once clicked the video button call and I just hit the answer- audio- only button or whatever cuz fuck that. I dunno if he even meant to have video. Video seems more assumed on Zoom.

I was brought back to office full time suddenly 2 weeks ago, it is wildly tiring.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 24 September 2021 01:31 (two days ago) link

if you're the host, zoom allows you to mute everyone, so you can totally control the discussion. i very rarely host zoom meetings, but i think you have to tinker with the settings and it may be a paid feature. it has been done in meetings i've attended, for sure

we use teams for most meetings, though. i don't mind it, actually. the only issue is our vpn doesn't play nice with it so sometimes we're forced to use zoom (sometimes we can't disable vpn due to legal/safety precautions)

we had a "no meeting august" or whatever where we were forced to reduce the amount of (1) time spent at meetings and (2) number of meetings in general for the month

it worked out okay. i was able to reduce my meetings in general from 60% of my time (say, a week) to around 30%, but i deliberately do not attend some i'm invited to and just get any info needed from other colleagues, if i need to. i think people are generally on board with less meetings and reducing time spent on them. most people shoot for 30 minute meetings now, which i think makes sense. we had a lot of hour-long meetings before and lots of people got pretty angry at that

luckily, turning on my video is rarely required, so i usually chill on the couch for the long ones

it's still a million times better than in-person meetings

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 24 September 2021 01:58 (two days ago) link

60% of a normal week in meetings?!

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 24 September 2021 02:03 (two days ago) link

it was very bad. it's mostly because i'm on a lot of different projects and people always want me to stay in the loop because they don't want to have to explain anything i may need to know. keyword is "may need to." it's usually PMs scared of technical details and stuff that want me to join. but i really do not need to know all the details. i can usually get away with not attending until i get around to something and then i can ping a dev that knows exactly what i need. luckily a couple of those projects have wrapped up

having said that, i've been on meetings with stakeholders (PMs, account executives, etc.) where people are literally coding on the fly to fix an issue and we're checking data. lol. jesus. those don't happen often but some of those lasted probably three hours

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 24 September 2021 02:14 (two days ago) link

Hmm. Sounds like you're going to have to hire me. This is from home indefinitely?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 24 September 2021 02:18 (two days ago) link

well, i requested to work from home permanently and they accepted. but the company hasn't really said what's happening in the future. for now, they've said we are all working from home until further notice. and that once we are able to get back into the office, it will be a hybrid model. super light on details, though

since we're not an actual dev company, we hardly hire devs anymore. what's your stack?

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 24 September 2021 02:26 (two days ago) link

My job has literally become 7-8 hours/day Teams meetings. I hate everything about this turn of events. What used to be resolved with casual conversations in the hall now requires someone to book 1/2 hour a week in advance because everyone’s calendar is chockablock.

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 24 September 2021 02:28 (two days ago) link

What's a stack? ... Where do you see me in 5 years?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 24 September 2021 02:31 (two days ago) link

lol! oh okay!

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 24 September 2021 02:33 (two days ago) link

xxp That's straight up hardcore. You've changed.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 24 September 2021 02:34 (two days ago) link

We have a new “work from Hell” mandate

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 24 September 2021 02:48 (two days ago) link

i’m going back in 2-3 days a week starting next week. Every Monday, then the other days kind of ad-hoc. Still very much an experiment. Kind of excited tbh!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 September 2021 08:10 (two days ago) link

i'm wfh into January at least, even then i'll work it to barely be in the office and if i get shit i'll bounce. i reject so many zoom meeting invites, you'd be surprised what you can get away with ; )

buzza, Friday, 24 September 2021 08:59 (two days ago) link

we have the option to wfh for 2 days a week. I have opted out cos i live 15 mins down the road and it saves on my bills etc.

I may as well be wfh though, no fucker else seems ever to be in.

Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste), Friday, 24 September 2021 09:10 (two days ago) link

(our team is 7, there is always 2 on the late shift which is always wfh anyway)

Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste), Friday, 24 September 2021 09:12 (two days ago) link

we were extended to at least nov 22, after that i will go in 1x/week. another two months to not buy any clothes or shoes.

certified juice therapist (harbl), Friday, 24 September 2021 12:05 (two days ago) link

I can count on two hands how many times I have worn my dress slacks since March 2020.

Porking level G4 (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 September 2021 13:10 (two days ago) link

I threw all mine out, nothing fits anymore.

Jeff, Friday, 24 September 2021 15:18 (two days ago) link

I have been WFH indefinitely because I switched industries in late December 2020, and now I have another side gig that is also WFH...so looks like I won't ever have to wear dress slacks ever again. Hurray!

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 24 September 2021 16:00 (two days ago) link


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