Pit Bulls: What's the appeal?

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They're ugly, ill-tempered, dangerous and, I imagine, probably smell quite bad. Why do people like them?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Because they look hard.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

they bite people and never let go.

The Luge (Horace Mann), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

And they make you look hard.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

calum

The Luge (Horace Mann), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link

If you are Princess Anne, it makes you better looking than your pets, just. And better-tempered, just.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

You're wrong! Pit bulls scored in the top tier for temperament testing.

http://www.furryfriendsfoundation.com/Truth03/photos/love_monster-T4.jpg

My sister has one. We've had many dogs in our family, and I've never encountered a more well-behaved and loving dog. A long time ago, German Shepherds were the scapegoat - then Dobermans, Rotties and now Pits.

And they're adorable and fun.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Here's Mack , my sister's dog. That's me in the second picture.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Cos pitbull pups are cute!
http://www.carolinagamedogs.com/images/levixcobra.gif

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, a lot of ppl think that these are pitbulls...
http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/photos/bullterrier295x280.jpg
but they're bull terriers & these are pitbulls...
http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/photos/pitbull222x200.jpg
They are pretty cute, but I really don't think i could ever have one.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link

http://killing-joke.com/new%20batch%2002.JPG

These little ones belong to erstwhile Killing Joke bassist, Paul Raven, who raises them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

See, they are too cute!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Do AmStaffs count?
I briefly had one and she was the best. Because she was mine. But she was extremely gentle.

The Luge (Horace Mann), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

They are strong independant dogs that are very protective of their owners & will be fiercely loyal, but sadly they have a reputation as agressive dogs. Of course they can be, but alot of ppl can live with pitbulls in their family and things are fine. Obviously their notorioty as fighting dogs preceeds them.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I knew this was an Alex thread.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I love staffs myself.
Awww!
http://www.petplanet.co.uk/petplanet/images/breeds/staffy60.jpg

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link

AmStaffs were bred from the American Pit Bull Terrier. It has something to do with people wanting to show the dog and having a more strict breed standard.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

She used to drag my nephew around the yard by his socks!

The Luge (Horace Mann), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, they start out cute, and then turn into these....

http://www.netacc.net/~davedz/2001_newsletter/2001_page_06/page_06_r2_c2.jpg

...and then do something like this to ya...

http://www.bigcats.org/abc/images/pitbiteIII.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Agreed that is not a particularly nice looking dog & obv, when dogs injure humans, it is awful. You need to be a responsible dog owner if you are going to chose a dog like this. Sometimes dog will turn no matter what. I have been bitten by both dogs that we had & they certainly weren't big dogs or anything, but it really hurts & knocks your confidence in dogs. With the bigger, stronger breeds (that have this so called agressive instinct inbred) the risk is greater. Hence why I wouldn't have one, as much as the dog's benefit as mine, as I don't think I am a strong enough dog owner.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Now is it just me or does that dog look like...
http://benjanaway.users.btopenworld.com/Graphics/MartinClunes.jpg

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Any dog that is vicious should obv be put down. The attack stories from pit bulls are emphasized to a point where they form an inaccurate stereotype. Pit bulls, when bred and raised right (and oftentimes despite this), are generally very sweet and affectionate dogs. Because they're very strong and very intelligent, they need owners who are dedicated to training them right. I've heard many stories of once stray or abandoned pit bulls being adopted out to families with kids, and very successfully.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

They only 'turn' if they're mistreated and conditioned to be afraid of people. Check the facts - one of the lowest bit rates and highest temperament test rating.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I wasn't saying it was the dogs fault (i am all for pitbulls as domestic dogs) it usually is the owners.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm sorry - I was responding to Alex. I should have clarified that.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link

My uncle's friend had a pit bull for years. One day, the dog bit the guy's lower lip right off. The dog had to be put down, the lip had to be re-attached, and the family was distraught...over the dog, natch. That's my pit bull story.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I should point out that I am not, nor have I ever been "a dog person". I just don't understand what the attraction to this particular breed of dog is, especially given their violent track record.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Because to know them is to love them. They are extremely affectionate, good-natured, playful and VERY obedient.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't like them either. i'm a beagle booster.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Some dogs will just turn even though they have had a good upbringing. This is not confined to pitbulls or so-called agressive breeds. it can happen.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know about 'turning' - I haven't seen any of this in the literature.

Some dogs are dog-aggressive and some are people-aggressive. These traits are not limited to one breed by any means. The problem is that when a pit is people-aggressive, it can do a lot of damage, because it is so strong. The important thing is to spend time with the dog before adopting it, and to take obedience classes with it so that it can learn to socialize.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link

i was attacked by one as a teenager. they are loaded guns with legs.
they + their owners should all be shot.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay, I'll tell my sister that. I seriously will.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

please. also tell her "eat my assleavings" for me.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that a death threat?

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

no, my assleaving are non-leathal.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Look - bad owners need to be prosecuted. The pit bull people are all for this. They are also in favor of the euthanizing of bad dogs. But it is simply incorrect to blame the entire breed for what a few dogs have done. As I said, there was a similar hysteria about German Shepherds about 30 years ago, and in the eighties and early nineties, it was Rottweilers.

I myself had a chunk taken out of my leg by a Fox Terrier.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

wow. assleavings. Just wow.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link

i apologies for my flippant remarks.
after i was attacked i let the owner off the hook (i do think the father of the family treated the thing poorly). less than a year later the dog took a run at some children in the park - they weren't hurt - only terrified. i felt terrible for not suing the owner + having that dog put down. had anything happened to the kids i don't think i could've handled the guilt. i don't understand why anyone (who's not a thug) would get a dog with such a poor reputation (i don't really care about your stupid facts). i'm sure they're loyal dogs and good to their families - they are v. protective and deadly if you're a stranger.
i was just some guy standing on a side walk at the wrong time.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Good owners get the dogs because they're familiar with them and because they've checked the "stupid facts". You should have cracked down on the owner.

At one time, it was the most popular dog in the US. Petey from the Little Rascals was a pit. So was Nipper, the RCA dog. And Sergeant Stubby was a WWI hero. Also, pits worked at the World Trade Center site after 9/11. They're used as police and therapy dogs.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I just don't understand what the attraction to this particular breed of dog is, especially given their violent track record.

Keep in mind their violent track record is akin to that rash in kidnappings last year that the media created. Any large working dog can be made dangerous by years of neglect and abuse.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link

So, it's the media's fault, is it?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Pardon my polite incredulity.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Because the media overblowing a story is so hard to believe...? How about that string of shark attacks last year, what were there... like 2 or 3 of 'em?

bnw (bnw), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link

come to think of it, alex - it was the media that attacked me + nearly crushed my hand.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a good thing you've never been robbed by a black person, dyson, you might have to join the kkk.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 26 January 2004 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Dog owners who seem to me like inhuman assholes encourage the sort of behavior in their dogs that creates the reputation of pitbulls, which is augmented by the tendencies of the media. I'm just saying exactly what bnw said two posts ago. Oh well. (xp)

Dyson, I hope that eventually the owners were held accountable for their irresponsibility in owning such an aggressive dog. Those sort of dogs (of ANY breed) should be put down, and their owners deserve punishment.

(xp again)

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 26 January 2004 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link

there are local rescue centers for pit bulls between here & detroit. my friends got a coupla dogs from there and they're just as lovable as any other.

heh. this thread is, of course, "the anecdotal evidence thread."

Huggy Dork (Kingfish), Monday, 26 January 2004 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

actually, the owner of said dog was the biggest racist fuck i've ever met + used to (according to his sons) be in the clan.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 18:06 (fifteen years ago) link

They're less susceptible to attacking people than other dogs, but because they're a walking muscle, when they do attack, it's usually pretty bad. But I've seen many pit bulls and I've never come across one that wasn't well-mannered.

PIT: Spot of tea, good chap?

GEAR: Thanks, Pitty.

PIT: Anytime.

See?

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 26 January 2004 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link

there is an old bloke around the corner from me who has two sibling pitbulls called Buddy and Holly. They are both absolutely adorable, despite the threatening sign he has put on his gate - they are harmless and lovely.

Just round the next bend on the estate there is this fucker with a horrible teeth on legs thing that almost ripped my Labrador's ear off. I got so mad that I had a few drinks later and put a few inch and half 8" screws into the cunt's tyres - just for thinking it was amusing rather than a seriously dangerous incident.

calzino, Monday, 23 May 2016 21:45 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

awe sweet video

Spottie, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:09 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

dude is literally growling at phantoms out the window

Treeship, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 02:44 (three years ago) link

while standing at the edge of the bed. kind of want to kick him out of the room but he will just be standing outside the door then.

Treeship, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 02:45 (three years ago) link

i feel like he hallucinates enemies and idgi

Treeship, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 02:45 (three years ago) link

he probably hears something. dogs sometimes play at imaginary threats but cats, if they get restless, are worse. all that random yowling at nothing.

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 03:17 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

Teaching puppies to win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wdgrEGE50Q

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 22:27 (two years ago) link

And to swim, stupid autocorrect

(rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 22:27 (two years ago) link

omg

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 24 November 2016 02:06 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

http://kfor.com/2017/06/21/he-didnt-really-have-a-face-when-he-got-up-dog-mauls-2-kids-sitting-in-minivan/

sorry to share this as its distressing but I always feel like, yes they are kind of cute at times but since all breed of dog is just a genetic variant why not stop this particular variant since we cannot trust people in general to keep them locked up

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:54 (two years ago) link

every breed of dog that has strong enough jaws to bite a person in a way which causes damage is potentially dangerous

as ever it's always the owner's fault. anyone who has a dog that mauls someone should be jailed and banned from owning animals imo

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:01 (two years ago) link

you should at least need some kind of license to own certain breeds - and some kind of inspection of your property /set up

agreed its not the dogs fault - its the government's fault for not regulating stupid humans

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:02 (two years ago) link

it definitely is the dog's fault. pitbulls are genetically predisposed to attack. the breed should be banned.

heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:04 (two years ago) link

imo they're not any more aggressive or prone to flip out than most other breeds, but they're very high energy and are insanely strong

mh, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:06 (two years ago) link

it definitely is the dog's fault. pitbulls are genetically predisposed to attack. the breed should be banned.

― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:04 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah, that's not supported by any studies

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:12 (two years ago) link

they're a very popular breed, and very strong, so tend to be the dogs we here about in cases where a great deal of damage is done to the victim. but they're not more likely to attack than other dogs.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:13 (two years ago) link

i was attacked by one as a teenager. they are loaded guns with legs.
they + their owners should all be shot.
― dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:47 (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Okay, I'll tell my sister that. I seriously will.
― Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:48 (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

please. also tell her "eat my assleavings" for me.
― dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:52 (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is that a death threat?
― Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:58 (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, my assleaving are non-leathal.
― dyson (dyson), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:58 (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hi quality exchange

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:32 (two years ago) link

http://www.dogsbite.org/img/2016-dog-bite-fatality-chart.gif

marcos, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:34 (two years ago) link

(2016 fatal dog attacks by breed)

marcos, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:35 (two years ago) link

pit bulls are actually banned in the city where i live. there are definitely still pit bulls around though. there is a huge debate right now bc a vocal contingent of pit bull lovers claim the law is discriminatory and classist.

marcos, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:36 (two years ago) link

it might get repealed, idk though

marcos, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:37 (two years ago) link

I'm with Jim here, it's the owner's responsibility

Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:37 (two years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/7C2UgON.png

marcos, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:39 (two years ago) link

i'm happy they are banned in my city fwiw

marcos, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:39 (two years ago) link

Labradors killed two people last year?

Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:44 (two years ago) link

those stats don't take into account what a "pit" is or how prevalent ownership of the breed is in comparison to, say, dobermans.
dogs are dogs. some dogs are dangerous. I've known a dachshund who fucked up a friends hand pretty badly. dogs with shitty owners tend to be shitty dogs. pits are by and large lovely mutts. don't leave your child alone with a potentially dangerous dog ever, regardless of breed.
i think i post this once every three months.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:55 (two years ago) link

pit bulls are more potentially dangerous than other breeds though

heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:14 (two years ago) link

there are other equally dangerous breeds, since to be a dangerous breed just requires the dog be large and strong, and there are larger and stronger dogs than pit bulls

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:21 (two years ago) link

Not enough of these type pics on thread
https://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/pitbull1.jpg

Bnad, Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:22 (two years ago) link

a neighbor's pit bull named Razor charged at me out of nowhere a few years ago, bit the living fuck out of left calf and knee, and i had to go to the hospital.

despite this, i love pit bulls. they're some of the most loving, sweet dogs. they are serious, SERIOUS cuddlers.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:23 (two years ago) link

an old refrigerator is "more potentially dangerous" to a child than a trained pitbull but y'all are straight up trolling now

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:23 (two years ago) link

imo the names people give to pits should be applied to ridiculous small dogs for fun

mh, Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:25 (two years ago) link

"that's my shih tzu in the picture"
"oh, what's his name?"
"razor"

mh, Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:26 (two years ago) link

Karl OTM about pit bulls and cuddling. My friends pitbull was very affectionate

Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:39 (two years ago) link

looking through the statistics, it seems that pit bulls are, in fact, more likely to attack than other breeds, which makes sense when you consider the fact that many of them were selectively bred to fight.

i also know for a fact that most pit bulls are great dogs with big hearts who are, if anything, more affectionate than average.

Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 19:55 (two years ago) link

I like a lot of the Pitbulls in my neighbourhood, there was one really nasty fucker but it is now gone - with it's shitty owner. It is irresponsible owners with big fucking Akitas that are the current menace around here now. There is a guy who lives around the corner with a sibling duo of Pitbulls named Buddy and Holly, they are so affectionate and cute I even bought christmas presents for them last year. My labrador gets totally jel when I always make a big fuss of them if they are in the garden while we pass. They definitely have not got a bite in them.

calzino, Thursday, 22 June 2017 20:06 (two years ago) link

Oh we're doing this again.

The statistics are that there are a higher number of pitties around than most other dogs, so it's not at all surprising that they'd lead in number of breed-identified attacks.

They are not a more dangerous dog than x or y. They are just mercilessly overbred (visit a shelter sometime).

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:40 (two years ago) link

Why are they breeding so many?

Treeship, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:46 (two years ago) link

They're concentrated in large part in poorer neighborhoods where people don't have the money to get them fixed and/or don't give a shit. This has been changing over time as the breed (which isn't really a breed, but a loose grouping of genetic characteristics) has found more acceptance in communities outside the hood or biker gangs or whereever else "tough" dogs are prized. But there are still far too many that wind of being destroyed at shelters because they shouldn't have been born in the first place.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:53 (two years ago) link

Breed bans are fucking awful, though, and anybody who supports one is also fucking awful.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:54 (two years ago) link

First they came for the pit bulls . . .

nickn, Friday, 23 June 2017 01:32 (two years ago) link

this thread has been going in pointless circles for 13 years. anti pit bull zealots of ilx: do you really want to fight alex in nyc's war for him in 2017?

adam, Friday, 23 June 2017 01:37 (two years ago) link

great now pitbulls have guns - thanks america

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 23 June 2017 13:53 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

To Adam's point, even I don't give a damn anymore. Enjoy your dogs. Clean up their poop. End of story.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:11 (two years ago) link

Hey dude!

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:38 (two years ago) link

Yeah, hey!

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 03:24 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

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