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Already a hot(tish) topic elsewhere on the forum today - let's give her her own thread.

Svelte and sexy kick-ass merchant who knows her way around a stake?

or...

Peevish bint?

Seconds out...

Will McKenzie, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

new answers

Will McKenzie, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

bint. but only because when *i* fly around doing high kicks and beating the shit out of supernatural baddies, my hair gets mussed u and hers doesn't.

katie, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I just don't get it.

Madchen, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

*yawn*

Samantha, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Get back to work, Will & stop thinking about Buffy ;-)

julia, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sexy                 friend of hers that Faith...

Kodanshi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

hmm. i never thought about buffy sainte-marie in quite those terms before...

your null fame, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never really found Buffy attractive.

james, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Already a subject of hot(tish) to another part in the forum today - we give its own cord him of spiral. Svelte and attractive retailer of the strike-ass who knows its way around a stake? or... Bint de Peevish? Seconds outside...

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm watching it at the moment and I've just realised that Spike (circa 1900) looks just like John Foxx

jamesmichaelward, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Spike=Ooooowah.

I hear Buffy is about to bite the big one. This would suck as I've based a whole halloween display around her and her vampire-slaying exploits. It's either that or Randall and Hopkirk, and to be honest, there are more books featuring Buffy.

Is she going to DIE DIE DIE? The Buffy fans say WHY WHY WHY. But she will DIE DIE DIE. And Spike will CRY CRY CRY. Xander will LIE LIE LIE when he says he still has a career. Meanwhile David Boreoanatz will SIGH SIGH SIGH as he knows deep in his heart that his spin-off series won't last the year. AI-YI-YI-YI! Screams Alison Hannigan as she realises that her only source of income now is the American Pie franchise. BYE BYE BYE says Sarah Michelle Gellar, after she never gets another part again due to typecasting.

Al, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
ok here's a textual question: when warren makes the invisibility ray, jonathan says it's kinda clunky-looking" and andrew says "i pictured something cooler, more ILM, less Edward..."

surely i misheard?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I remember this: "more ILM, less Ed Wood" = Industrial Light & Magic / Plan 9 director.

I had the same reaction to hearing the "real" ILM's name spoken aloud!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

ah that makes more sense

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Has our ILM produced any invisibility rays at all? If not, get to work.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

ILE hated buffy in 2001 shockah!

zebedee, Friday, 24 January 2003 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Buffy looked way better when she wasn't of legal age (within the context of the show, of course!). She's too thin now.

alex in montreal, Friday, 24 January 2003 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Why does the Streets sing on one track "like Ess Kay/it's a new day"?

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't there an ILXor named Ess Kay?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

If you were Lord Custos...

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
time to start saving (you have about two weeks):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002UUO86/ref=amb_asin-coop-1_138961/026-0364612-2999634

box set of ALL 7 Buffy series (roughly 170 episodes?), 39 disks, 140 quid

koogs (koogs), Friday, 5 November 2004 16:31 (fifteen years ago) link

144 episodes.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 5 November 2004 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link

wow.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd heard they were planning cheaper versions of the individual series box sets but this is the first i'd heard of the uber-box. luckily i have none of the individual box sets so buying this wouldn't duplicate anything.

and then i realise that this is about twice what i paid for my dvd player...

koogs (koogs), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6405148388

I'm bidding on a bootleg VCD of the unaired pilot. Where did my life go wrong?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link

The unaired pilot is available for download. No need to buy it. Also, it's not that good. Though I seem to be in the minority on somewhat liking Riff Regan as Willow.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

standard bittorrent networks?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Not sure. I got it ages ago off of some website. I could email it or or AIM it or something.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks, I found a place with it in windows media. First few minutes are pretty bad, really hoping someone outbids me now.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

If you found the same file I did, there are a few moments that might make whatever program you're using to play it crash. But the file isn't corrupted all the way through. Just at those exact moments. So just reopen WMP and navigate around those seconds. (I wish I had memorized exactly when these moments occur, but I didn't.)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Wait wait wait: you prefer the pilot willow? This is insanity.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 13 June 2005 06:25 (fourteen years ago) link

GIMME THE LINK? (Yes, this is an addict talking.) I was completely obsessed with the show a month or so ago. Watched two/three episodes per day. I would catch myself talking about it to friends in a really snotty intellectual way. hah. I love the fact she changed her haircolour to blonde, it just worked much better. I just saw that S. Gellar changed it back to her original colour: ROWR!

nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Nabisco OTM.

J (Jay), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.benhen.com/pilots/

It's small - a 50MB asf file, so you can't watch it too large but it's big enough to get the point.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Nabisco, I don't prefer her! I just don't think she's as bad as some people make her out to be, and certainly no worse than SMG is in the pilot.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I must admit that the fact that she looks way more like me than Aly Hannigan does probably bias me towards her.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't think she was terrible, just a little more whiny than Hannigan.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

But less cutesy.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Emma Caulfield is a RON PAUL SUPPORTER

nabisco, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

She probably didn't even need to "act" until around the time Buffy's mom died

nabisco, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

Man this show sucked.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

i miss the days on ILX when you could be ostracised for having the wrong opinions on season 4

DG, Sunday, 27 January 2008 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

so sad now

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 27 January 2008 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

Only a couple of weeks until LOST starts again and the thread shoots back up into new answers for another year, so don't worry too much.

melton mowbray, Sunday, 27 January 2008 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

nine months pass...

I'm rewatching the entire series and got the GF addicted to it. Seasons 5-6 having way more resonance now that I'm in the appropriate life stage.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 22 November 2008 08:13 (eleven years ago) link

You feel like you understand yourself and the world you live in, everything seems really clear. and you step off the platform......then you crash back on the ground and everything feels out of joint and you feel wrong and you don't really understand anything after all and you have to build a new map from scratch.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 22 November 2008 08:22 (eleven years ago) link

Damn that makes me sound super depressed I'm just sayin I get it in a way that I didn't before.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 22 November 2008 08:28 (eleven years ago) link

"Please don't forgive me" is a heavy fuckin line.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 24 November 2008 09:38 (eleven years ago) link

Anybody have thoughts on S6?

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 24 November 2008 09:40 (eleven years ago) link

buffy is absolutely better than the shield and every other show

horseshoe, Friday, 13 May 2011 03:57 (nine years ago) link

^^^

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 13 May 2011 04:01 (nine years ago) link

the reason that buffy is better than the shield is that buffy is more realistic

j., Friday, 13 May 2011 04:28 (nine years ago) link

slogging thru season 6... i love buffy but have never felt less compelled to watch another episode following having just finished one (which has been the case seasons 1-5). it just really feels dawdling at this point... the trio are by far the worst villains to have ever appeared on this show, and none of this is in a measure of "whos badass"

kelpolaris, Friday, 13 May 2011 04:46 (nine years ago) link

great/annoying meta-commentary on that in the insane asylum episode

Gukbe, Friday, 13 May 2011 04:59 (nine years ago) link

slogging thru season 6... i love buffy but have never felt less compelled to watch another episode following having just finished one (which has been the case seasons 1-5). it just really feels dawdling at this point... the trio are by far the worst villains to have ever appeared on this show, and none of this is in a measure of "whos badass"

― kelpolaris, Friday, 13 May 2011 04:46 (16 minutes ago)

The nerd trio as villains was one of the worst ideas in the history of series television.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 05:04 (nine years ago) link

Except Jonathan is awesome, sorry

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:07 (nine years ago) link

as was andrew, come on. in fact it was just warren that was lame. also caleb wasn't the major villain, he was the mr. trick to the first evil's mayor. or something.

Marti Noxon became show runner season six onwards Hoos. I guess it became like a Lorne Michaels thing, with only so much time to work effectively between projects, even if their fingerprints still be on everything.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:18 (nine years ago) link

Marti Noxon works on Mad Men now, I noticed. How come she doesn't ruin that show /grudge /yes I am petty

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:39 (nine years ago) link

and it wasn't obvious feminism that was the problem it was the terrible bodice-rippyness and omg melodrama! I just remember it being yuk

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:41 (nine years ago) link

the trio would've been great for comic-relief ((exclusively)). i mean this in the same way that - ok, here it goes - team rocket was to pokemon (if they hadn't overplayed that role ad infinitum)

whedon & co i thought absolutely nailed a feeling of the ominous with seasons 3 and season 5. season 3 was just really the first encounter with something being possibly invincible (before season 4 utterly strangled that concept) and 5 carried on the same mistakes of a predictable villain - but redeemed itself by making the target not buffy, but dawn. it added this whole new dimension of vulnerability and a very real threat i hadn't seen since season 3.

i'll have to see how the trio works out but it seems so far that they've taken the worst bits of all the big bads of the past and pint-sized them into ridiculous caricatures i'm never sure if i'm supposed to take seriously or not.

kelpolaris, Friday, 13 May 2011 05:44 (nine years ago) link

pretty sure season six exists solely to give every academic a chapter in their thesis

Gukbe, Friday, 13 May 2011 05:49 (nine years ago) link

you're usually not, which makes it awkward when you are, later (xpost)

the trio are essential for being the show's internalization of the worst part of their natural audience of sci-fi geeks.

j., Friday, 13 May 2011 05:58 (nine years ago) link

think its worth it just for the episode where they have jet packs tbh.

marti noxon didn't ruin buffy. joss spreading himself too thin and not really having a PROPER EVIL VILLAIN for two seasons killed Buffy. Hell she wouldn't kill the trio because of humanity and the first evil was incorporable - so being able to slay things became p fucking redundant.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 06:17 (nine years ago) link

the trio are essential for being the show's internalization of the worst part of their natural audience of sci-fi geeks.

― j., Friday, May 13, 2011 5:58 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

it was a bastardization of the show's mythology and mood in so many ways. They made a fucking RAY GUN ffs. And for what? So the writers could have a laugh at some of the show's fans? It was narcissistic, juvenile and ridiculous.

I remember episode 3 or 4 of that plot line when I was like "holy shit, they really are this season's big bad aren't they?" and I quit cold turkey.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:23 (nine years ago) link

the whole "mocking our audience" thing seemed especially hollow since they turned Spike into the show's Fonzie in large part to satisfy the appetites of slashfic authors.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:31 (nine years ago) link

ummm junkie willow and spike were the actual big bads of s6.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 06:48 (nine years ago) link

well ya see, I quit watching...

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:52 (nine years ago) link

junkie willow was truly awful.

j., Friday, 13 May 2011 06:52 (nine years ago) link

"Season 6
The main villains in Season 6 were the Trio - Warren Mears (portrayed by Adam Busch), Jonathan Levinson (portrayed by Danny Strong) and Andrew Wells (portrayed by Tom Lenk) - followed by Willow (known in this phase as Dark Willow), portrayed by Alyson Hannigan. Series creator Joss Whedon stated on the Season 6 DVD that the true Big Bad was life itself, and how as time goes on, it becomes more and more people's worst enemy"

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:55 (nine years ago) link

Caleb was totally a major villain. They even made a point of his ultimate indestructible powers, which he frequently invoked to not kill Buffy, and which failed him when he turned out to be easy to dispense of. Same with the uber-vamps. The First Evil ... I don't know what the fuck that was supposed to be.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 May 2011 12:28 (nine years ago) link

Not all of the Big Bads could be as good as the Mayor, who was best of all time imho. The First / Caleb was maybe poorly executed but that sort of cosmic disembodied capital E-vil was kinda necessary given that everyone knew the show had to wrap up and it's not like Buff beating up a baddie for the millionth time was gonna be a suitable end to the series.

I thought the Trio was actually good fun, in a way that kept a lot of silly banter & popcult references in the show as it got more "serious."

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 May 2011 12:55 (nine years ago) link

Also the whole point of the Trio was worthwhile in that they kind of embodied the a more realistic, even human side of evil pretty well. I mean Warren was the only villain to ever use a gun, which broke the supernatural convention of the show in a way that was ultimately really effective.

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:02 (nine years ago) link

That's sort of one reason I tell people to stop after season 6. It beats around the bush less re: ultimate, real, non-fasntasy evil, whether it's Warren actually using a gun, to kill, or Willow's gruesome revenge, driven entirely by pure emotion and grief (and making good on hints dropped really early in the series). And of course it makes the Big Bad not just one of the Scoobies, but a Big Bad powerful enough that you actually believe the fate of the world is at stake. After all that angst and pain and death, the S7 Ultimate Evil shit was just a non-starter.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 May 2011 14:23 (nine years ago) link

OTM. Also, the penultimate (or possibly 3rd-to-last) episode of season 6 has the best HOLY SHIT NO WAY! ending.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

spoilersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

the thing that happens w/ warren?

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 14:40 (nine years ago) link

Of all the Big Bads I think that Adam -- the human-demon cyborg dude? -- was probably my least favorite.

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:01 (nine years ago) link

xp SPOILERS AHOY!

No, I was actually thinking about the return of a character.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:09 (nine years ago) link

great/annoying meta-commentary on that in the insane asylum episode

― Gukbe, Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

haha yes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:26 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, Adam was totally worthless. I just couldn't really deal w/ the big bad not being supernatural - again where the trio is failing. It enters that realm of reality where you're actually questioning the believability of all this... it just makes them so much less threatening.

kelpolaris, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:55 (nine years ago) link

But .. but ... Adam was part robot, part DEMON! That's totally supernatural.

Also, he was part lame.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 May 2011 18:18 (nine years ago) link

also part boondoggle

j., Friday, 13 May 2011 18:38 (nine years ago) link

The only redeeming part of the Adam storyline was how he was defeated in Primeval, which was pretty awesome imho.

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 May 2011 19:24 (nine years ago) link

Ha, I think I already ragged on it upthread but ugh
http://images.wikia.com/buffy/images/c/c2/PrimevalBuffy.jpg

I mean, guys, I mean, the fuck is this
http://www.whedon.info/local/cache-vignettes/L254xH450/buffy-primeval-diamond-figure-20272.jpg

kelpolaris, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:30 (nine years ago) link

in many a ways i consider my own opinion invalid b/c i saw, and continue to see, nothing wrong with season 1

kelpolaris, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:32 (nine years ago) link

giant lol @ doves

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 May 2011 21:33 (nine years ago) link

lmao.

kel: nothing wrong? incl. 'i robot you jane'? i <3 s1 but i also totally understand how it can feel dated and all over the place and hard to get into etc. I guess the characters haven't been fleshed out yet (would you ever guess giles was a punk warlock with velvet underground records*?)

*and yet he admits that the bay city rollers was more his style in 'the dark age'. crazy rupert.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 14 May 2011 06:26 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Finally finished the series!

Not sure where all the hate for season 7 stems from - it was definitely sloppy, but contained some much much much needed lol's so cruelly absent from season 6.

Now admittedly the whole inclusion of Caleb at the very end seemed...desperate? weird? unnecessary?... and I'm still a little unsatisfied that the method of beating the Big Bad involved, basically, a magic axe that conveniently appears when all hope is lost. It's nice that Whedon is conscious of these things - when Rupert admits to never having known a thing about it - but it def feels like getting gipped of a *real* ending, something worthy of having spent 7 years watching a show.

brodieopolari.... oh fuck it (kelpolaris), Sunday, 12 June 2011 14:06 (eight years ago) link

truth said, i've never really felt satisfied w/ any of the season endings apart from season 3... and it just might be b/c it reinforces some trope i'm used to as a logical end to all things (big boom).

brodieopolari.... oh fuck it (kelpolaris), Sunday, 12 June 2011 14:07 (eight years ago) link

***spoilers***

1 (Prophecy Girl - Buffy dies v. Master), 2 (Becoming - Buffy & Spike & Willow v. Dru & Angel & Rock), 3 (Graduation Day - Faith omg also big snake), 4 (cheese man, prophecies and giles singing) and 5 (buffy v. glory for dawn) all have perfect endings imo.

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 June 2011 17:08 (eight years ago) link

lolll cheese man

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 12 June 2011 17:13 (eight years ago) link

yeah that is a weird criticism to make of this show in particular

horseshoe, Sunday, 12 June 2011 17:14 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/10/15/1008591/violentacrez-buffy-the-vampire-slayer/?mobile=nc

have not read this but will post it so i read it later

la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 15 October 2012 23:34 (seven years ago) link

predicted? not a bad article though, it suffers a bit by somewhat ignoring the whole andrew and jonathan were kinda gay thing

Nhex, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 03:10 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

One of the great things about season 2 is that you can really feel the show stretching and straining to become a bigger show in real time.

Tim F, Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:26 (one year ago) link

One of the biggest mistakes I've ever made as a parent is forgetting to skip season one, forcing myself to convince the kids that yes, it does get a lot better, and quickly, too!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 February 2019 12:47 (one year ago) link

I binged all of How to Get Away With Murder last month and was looking up a bunch of the actors and saw that Frank was on many Buffy episodes. He surprisingly was Ben! Maybe not surprising since I blocked out most of that season.

Yerac, Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:17 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Soon to be repeated from the beginning on E4

koogs, Friday, 22 May 2020 11:23 (five days ago) link

which saves me digging out my DVDs

however, the clip they showed was 16:9 but the show was 4:3 for the first 3 seasons, which makes me wonder if they are going to show the apparently terrible HD remaster

koogs, Friday, 22 May 2020 13:48 (five days ago) link


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