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Already a hot(tish) topic elsewhere on the forum today - let's give her her own thread.

Svelte and sexy kick-ass merchant who knows her way around a stake?

or...

Peevish bint?

Seconds out...

Will McKenzie, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

new answers

Will McKenzie, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

bint. but only because when *i* fly around doing high kicks and beating the shit out of supernatural baddies, my hair gets mussed u and hers doesn't.

katie, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I just don't get it.

Madchen, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

*yawn*

Samantha, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Get back to work, Will & stop thinking about Buffy ;-)

julia, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Sexy                 friend of hers that Faith...

Kodanshi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

hmm. i never thought about buffy sainte-marie in quite those terms before...

your null fame, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I've never really found Buffy attractive.

james, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Already a subject of hot(tish) to another part in the forum today - we give its own cord him of spiral. Svelte and attractive retailer of the strike-ass who knows its way around a stake? or... Bint de Peevish? Seconds outside...

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm watching it at the moment and I've just realised that Spike (circa 1900) looks just like John Foxx

jamesmichaelward, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Spike=Ooooowah.

I hear Buffy is about to bite the big one. This would suck as I've based a whole halloween display around her and her vampire-slaying exploits. It's either that or Randall and Hopkirk, and to be honest, there are more books featuring Buffy.

Is she going to DIE DIE DIE? The Buffy fans say WHY WHY WHY. But she will DIE DIE DIE. And Spike will CRY CRY CRY. Xander will LIE LIE LIE when he says he still has a career. Meanwhile David Boreoanatz will SIGH SIGH SIGH as he knows deep in his heart that his spin-off series won't last the year. AI-YI-YI-YI! Screams Alison Hannigan as she realises that her only source of income now is the American Pie franchise. BYE BYE BYE says Sarah Michelle Gellar, after she never gets another part again due to typecasting.

Al, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
ok here's a textual question: when warren makes the invisibility ray, jonathan says it's kinda clunky-looking" and andrew says "i pictured something cooler, more ILM, less Edward..."

surely i misheard?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I remember this: "more ILM, less Ed Wood" = Industrial Light & Magic / Plan 9 director.

I had the same reaction to hearing the "real" ILM's name spoken aloud!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

ah that makes more sense

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Has our ILM produced any invisibility rays at all? If not, get to work.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

ILE hated buffy in 2001 shockah!

zebedee, Friday, 24 January 2003 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Buffy looked way better when she wasn't of legal age (within the context of the show, of course!). She's too thin now.

alex in montreal, Friday, 24 January 2003 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does the Streets sing on one track "like Ess Kay/it's a new day"?

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't there an ILXor named Ess Kay?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

If you were Lord Custos...

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
time to start saving (you have about two weeks):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002UUO86/ref=amb_asin-coop-1_138961/026-0364612-2999634

box set of ALL 7 Buffy series (roughly 170 episodes?), 39 disks, 140 quid

koogs (koogs), Friday, 5 November 2004 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

144 episodes.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 5 November 2004 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

wow.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd heard they were planning cheaper versions of the individual series box sets but this is the first i'd heard of the uber-box. luckily i have none of the individual box sets so buying this wouldn't duplicate anything.

and then i realise that this is about twice what i paid for my dvd player...

koogs (koogs), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6405148388

I'm bidding on a bootleg VCD of the unaired pilot. Where did my life go wrong?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link

The unaired pilot is available for download. No need to buy it. Also, it's not that good. Though I seem to be in the minority on somewhat liking Riff Regan as Willow.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

standard bittorrent networks?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Not sure. I got it ages ago off of some website. I could email it or or AIM it or something.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks, I found a place with it in windows media. First few minutes are pretty bad, really hoping someone outbids me now.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link

If you found the same file I did, there are a few moments that might make whatever program you're using to play it crash. But the file isn't corrupted all the way through. Just at those exact moments. So just reopen WMP and navigate around those seconds. (I wish I had memorized exactly when these moments occur, but I didn't.)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Wait wait wait: you prefer the pilot willow? This is insanity.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 13 June 2005 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link

GIMME THE LINK? (Yes, this is an addict talking.) I was completely obsessed with the show a month or so ago. Watched two/three episodes per day. I would catch myself talking about it to friends in a really snotty intellectual way. hah. I love the fact she changed her haircolour to blonde, it just worked much better. I just saw that S. Gellar changed it back to her original colour: ROWR!

nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Nabisco OTM.

J (Jay), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:57 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.benhen.com/pilots/

It's small - a 50MB asf file, so you can't watch it too large but it's big enough to get the point.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Nabisco, I don't prefer her! I just don't think she's as bad as some people make her out to be, and certainly no worse than SMG is in the pilot.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I must admit that the fact that she looks way more like me than Aly Hannigan does probably bias me towards her.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't think she was terrible, just a little more whiny than Hannigan.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

But less cutesy.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 June 2005 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Emma Caulfield is a RON PAUL SUPPORTER

nabisco, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link

She probably didn't even need to "act" until around the time Buffy's mom died

nabisco, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Man this show sucked.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 27 January 2008 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

i miss the days on ILX when you could be ostracised for having the wrong opinions on season 4

DG, Sunday, 27 January 2008 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

so sad now

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 27 January 2008 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Only a couple of weeks until LOST starts again and the thread shoots back up into new answers for another year, so don't worry too much.

melton mowbray, Sunday, 27 January 2008 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

I'm rewatching the entire series and got the GF addicted to it. Seasons 5-6 having way more resonance now that I'm in the appropriate life stage.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 22 November 2008 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link

You feel like you understand yourself and the world you live in, everything seems really clear. and you step off the platform......then you crash back on the ground and everything feels out of joint and you feel wrong and you don't really understand anything after all and you have to build a new map from scratch.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 22 November 2008 08:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn that makes me sound super depressed I'm just sayin I get it in a way that I didn't before.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 22 November 2008 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link

"Please don't forgive me" is a heavy fuckin line.

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 24 November 2008 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Anybody have thoughts on S6?

BIG HOOS enjoys a cold mindbeer (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 24 November 2008 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link

That last paragraph is so infuriating. What a fucking dick.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 12:59 (yesterday) link

He is exactly the toxic narcissist that all those Insta reels warned us about

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 13:00 (yesterday) link

That article reminds me of various profiles I've read of tech bros in the Silicon Valley, these nerds suddenly given money and power and explicitly coming to the twisted conclusion, well, might as well take advantage of it now and do and be all the terrible things we could never do and be in high school.

I still don't quite follow the Ray Fisher stuff, but even setting aside what may or may not have happened on Justice League (a misbegotten project all around), or Buffy, he sounds like he at the very least grew into a bad person that, for all his purported therapy and pursuit of personal betterness, does not appear to have learned a single lesson.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 13:39 (yesterday) link

Did he "grow into" a bad person? Or maybe he was always a gnarled mass of eels, but he hid it well because he liked the attention he got for appearing to be a S.N.A.G.?

I don't see his story as "wide-eyed wunderkind becomes beloved through innovative work, then becomes bad because power and fame corrupted him."

I see it as "He was a deeply troubled and flawed young man, who noticed early on that the best way to get the approval he desperately wanted from attractive and smart young women was to create an elaborate persona of woke feminism. He went to precisely the sort of college where that worked as a dating strategy. As his fame and cachet increased, he realized how much he could get away with, he had no incentive to change."

Maybe he couldn't tell where the persona ended and the "real" Joss began. But in any case, since everyone kept telling him he was brilliant and beloved, there was no reason for him not to indulge his long-held fantasies. In scripts, on various sizes of screen, and - heck - in various dressing rooms. Because why not?

I don't think he came into the industry pure as snow and got corrupted in the process. That lets him off too easily. I think he entered the industry and cannily saw a path to making his 13-year-old's jerkoff scenarios come true. He was fantastically rewarded for doing so (as long as they were couched in an overall storyline of "female empowerment") so there was never a reason for him to evolve.

If in his later career he did stuff like therapy or whatever, mmmkay, but the seed (NPI) was probably there from the beginning.

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 14:54 (yesterday) link

i think whedon's writing got worse over time tbh (which is not exactly advocated by that v flattening vice piece, but regardless). he totally burrowed into his own tropes. i recall with unfortunate clarity the "we have a black president now" line from the season one finale of dollhouse

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 14:57 (yesterday) link

also it's impossible not to feel like he made one of the characters in firefly a sex worker just so she could get called a whore constantly

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 15:02 (yesterday) link

i think whedon's writing got worse over time tbh

yep. I watched The Nevers and while it wasn't awful (I'd compare it to something like the revived Doctor Who), the degree to which it was clearly "joss plays the hits" was pretty embarrassing. If we're narrativizing his career, I think "dude ran out of ideas" is more apt than some of this remote psychopathology

rob, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 15:57 (yesterday) link

Kevin Williamson, Amy Sherman Palladino, Aaron Sorkin, Diablo Cody, etc

def always lumped whedon in with this crew in my head so no certainly not solely responsible for this particular strain of horrible writing, god what a baleful and wearisome bunch

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:29 (yesterday) link

I (haven't seen the Nevers but) don't really share the impression that his writing got worse. I think his writing was always overall (IMO) very good, but with occasional flaws from early on.
The impression I get is that after seeing more of his work, some of his tropes became more apparent through frequent use and got very, very tiresome. And none more than the notion that people are simply not allowed to have a happy relationship, because of some kind of philosophy that characters ending up together may be what the viewers want but not what they need. That's why as soon as people finally get together, one gets killed off or worse. I often wondered if that was some kind of pathetic release of Joss' own personal frustrations/inabilities.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:30 (yesterday) link

It definitely sheds new light on Tara's death.

peace, man, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:37 (yesterday) link

Like, a really gross new light.

peace, man, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:38 (yesterday) link

some of his tropes became more apparent through frequent use and got very, very tiresome. And none more than the notion that people are simply not allowed to have a happy relationship, because of some kind of philosophy that characters ending up together may be what the viewers want but not what they need

Okay not to be Cap'n Save-a-Joss, but this was always endemic to television, and increasingly so to movies.

It was everywhere 20 years ago. I would argue that it is even more present today, when franchises and reboots thereof are basically the only thing studios will bankroll.

In the US at least, television series need to be a perpetual motion machine. Storylines mostly cannot ever resolve. Hence, people can't be happy - or can't be happy for long, because that means series death. You need to keep torturing your characters and delay their gratification, and if they get any satisfaction at all it must be ripped away from them at the soonest opportunity.

In the UK, I gather, there is more appetite for series that are permitted to be limited, so it's possible for a UK television character to become happy. But a US television character cannot be allowed to be happy.

It's like, no one wants to watch Romeo and Juliet as a happily married couple, raising adorable kids and eating grapes in the sunshine until they die blissfully at the same moment in one another's arms. Because drama requires conflict. This is an problem that is significantly older than Joseph Motherfucking Whedon.

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 16:43 (yesterday) link

Joss may not have invented the notion but he took it to the exteme and kind of made it his trademark. Tara gets killed the moment after renewing her relationship with Willow. Fred gets fatally possessed the episode after finally getting together with Wesley. Not to mention what happened wit Cordelia/Angel, Jenny/Giles, Anya/Xander and there are more examples, also Dollhouse Topher/whatshername etc. Buffy allowed for plenty of status quo change but not this. Compare fir example with a show like Grimm (helmed by a Buffy/Angel alum, also featuring Alexis Denisof), where two inportant side characters do hook up early on, develop to marriage and end happily ever after. You can be sure that they wouldn't have, had Joss Whedon been running that show.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:26 (yesterday) link

Kevin Williamson, Amy Sherman Palladino, Aaron Sorkin, Diablo Cody, etc

def always lumped whedon in with this crew in my head so no certainly not solely responsible for this particular strain of horrible writing, god what a baleful and wearisome bunch

― Nerd Ragequit (wins), Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:29 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago)

tbf I meant to include a few writers I'm actually fond of here, but I blanked on a good example (I did mention Succession later). Maybe Milch? One of the things I hated most in that Vice piece was the bit about how it's bad when it "sounds like a writer wrote that," a terrible philistine opinion. Lord save us from a Deadwood with naturalistic dialogue

rob, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:40 (yesterday) link

whedon's shows were def celebrated to some degree for his willingness to off major characters

the moment this stopped being effective for me and revealed itself as a rotten, lazy and emotionally manipulative trope was wash's death in serenity

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:43 (yesterday) link

actually tara's death never landed for me either but they also barely developed her character imo

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:44 (yesterday) link

Agreed on Serenity/Wash. The movie also took out Book, who had a ton of backstory to explore.

Grimm - Monroe/Rosalie were great, plus they had the Nick/Juliette/Adalind triangle for The Drama.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:52 (yesterday) link

xp to rob otm I didn’t read the vice thing but “nobody talks like this!” never seemed a valuable criticism to me esp in these cases where “this is insufferable” is closer to the mark

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:57 (yesterday) link

bunheads was good, yr insufferable

mark s, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 17:59 (yesterday) link

i will stump for williamson, cody, and specific sherman-palladino projects (first three seasons of gg and, as mentioned, bunheads. mrs. maisel is an awful show from hell imo but i get why people like it)

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 18:02 (yesterday) link

wins otm

nobody talked like the people in Shakespeare either

or Woolf, Joyce, Beckett, etc.

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 18:03 (yesterday) link

I don’t actually know know as-p (name is kind of annoying tho) always avoided her stuff for the very reason that I get tired of these things that aren’t comedy (& thus free of the necessity to be funny) but everything must be a quip anyway

Williamson & sorkin are the worst to me but with all of them it’s like there can be value right up to the point where the water torture of the dialogue just becomes shut up shut up shut UP

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 18:11 (yesterday) link

know-know it’s what it’s called when you know a hyphenated creator

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 18:13 (yesterday) link

The movie also took out Book, who had a ton of backstory to explore.

book was always more of a theoretically interesting character than an actually interesting character, but the movie still did him very dirty

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:21 (yesterday) link

the moment this stopped being effective for me and revealed itself as a rotten, lazy and emotionally manipulative trope was wash's death in serenity

For me it was earlier, with Fred's possession in Angel. The episode 'A Hole in the World', written and directed by Joss himself, is often regarded as one of the series' best episodes. But I couldn't see what happened to Fred as simply part of the story anymore, it was Joss doing his thing again. With an entire episode to hammer in the fact that this was what was happening and there was nothing to be done about it.
I like Illyria and the subsequent episodes a lot, but dislike 'A Hole in the World' & Fred's death for more than merely storyline reasons. Also because it is the first thing to happen right after her one moment of relationship bliss with Wesley.

To be fair, the Serenity movie did give us the one Whedonverse relationship to make it to the end (Kaylee/Simon). Hollywood pressure?

Valentijn, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:58 (yesterday) link

he expected actors to say the lines he had written for them

isn't this generally how it works?

i know there are directors who believe in improvisation and i imagine most actors enjoy having that extra input/freedom but i kind of thought that was fairly rare. particularly if the person who wrote the script is also the director

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:59 (yesterday) link

Depends on the kind of film/show, comedy that involves the actors riffing off each other obviously has a lot more room for off-the-cuff improv, sometimes to the detriment (e.g. Ghostbusters 2016)

If it's a gazillion dollar superhero movie with a troubled production, and things are already tense and difficult, you could see it causing some problems if some of the cast suddenly decide to go off-script.

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:21 (yesterday) link

xp

I got the impression that at a certain point Whedon lost interest in running a cohesive show or writing solid episodes that progressed the narrative and became more focused on showing that he could do anything he wanted to. Hence, he can write a Lynchian dream episode, or an existentialist drama, or a musical, or in this case, an operatic tragedy, and if the effect on the audience seems gross and manipulative well that’s too bad because he’s going to write his operatic tragedy.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:23 (yesterday) link

don't forget the puppet episode of Angel

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:38 (yesterday) link

pic.twitter.com/vNBgoRPVOW

— charisma carpenter (@AllCharisma) January 18, 2022

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:44 (yesterday) link

xpost puppet episode was by Ben Edlund, bit of an undervalued contributor to the latter seasons of Angel (and Firefly)

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:52 (yesterday) link

<3 charisma carpenter forever

horseshoe, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:56 (yesterday) link

the Vulture profile was so so satisfying to read...novelistic!

horseshoe, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:56 (yesterday) link

and creator of the tick!!!

xxp

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 20:56 (yesterday) link

i will stump for williamson, cody, and specific sherman-palladino projects

me too. I know people hated Juno and in fact I can barely remember it, but Cody wrote the very very good Young Adult and Tully, which more than makes up for any other crimes. Also I like GG and Bunheads and yes, Maisel. Fuck you all!

akm, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 21:25 (yesterday) link

jennifer's body is one of my favorite movies of all time

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 21:30 (yesterday) link

oh yeah that's good too, forgot about that one. I'd say Diablo Cody is good more often than not.

akm, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 21:32 (yesterday) link

I do want to see Jennifer’s Body, Juno is horribly written but maybe that one is explicitly going for the grating vibe of the very bad screenwriters then in vogue such as sorkin and williamson

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 21:54 (yesterday) link

xxpost yeah i agree horeshoe, i thought it was v well written & constructed

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:02 (yesterday) link

Even Kevin Williamson's Dawson's Creek house style is, in retrospect, much less annoying than Whedonism.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:06 (yesterday) link

lol i somehow didn't know williamson co-developed the vampire diaries, guy cornered the teen trash tv market over two separate decades

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:27 (yesterday) link

i didnt know that either

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:29 (yesterday) link

I love how when people talk about this dork, its like "the all-singing episode!" "the puppet episode!"

Yeah sounds great, sign me up for this shit

jpg trouble in wallo gina (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:30 (yesterday) link

Scrubs was pulling that shit all the time too, yo

umami dearest (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:32 (yesterday) link

Yeah, I'm not out here trying to separate the art from the artist on whoever made Scrubs

jpg trouble in wallo gina (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:33 (yesterday) link

the guy who made scrubs is bill lawrence who also makes ted lasso

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:41 (yesterday) link

Joss Whedon might be an abusive narcissist but at least he didn't foist Zach Braff upon the world?

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 22:43 (yesterday) link

it all just sucks

i was a huge fan of every whedon show, esp buffy - for a while i even lurked on the messageboard they reference in the vulture piece

now it’s like i can’t even rewatch an old episode of buffy without thinking of him & all of his bullshit. i dont always struggle separating art from artist but so much of him & his voice is in these shows that it’s almost impossible to even revisit them anymore

and to be clear i’m not saying this in an “oh poor me” way - it’s more just, i’m fucking mad that he has ruined my enjoyment of these shows that i genuinely loved. and that i never knew he was actively ruining them the whole time

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 January 2022 23:26 (yesterday) link

I had a class with the professor they mention in the article who started Whedon Studies. He wrote a book about Bukowski!

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 05:18 (five hours ago) link

now it’s like i can’t even rewatch an old episode of buffy without thinking of him & all of his bullshit. i dont always struggle separating art from artist but so much of him & his voice is in these shows that it’s almost impossible to even revisit them anymore

I can see that and it sucks indeed. I have less trouble with it myself as there were so many other people involved in the end products, especially the cast who also separate the art from the artist: see, for example, this which happened very recently. Several cast members -including Charisma Carpenter- fondly talking about the show and their characters.

Valentijn, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 08:36 (two hours ago) link


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