South Park: Classic or Dud?

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I hate it. It has never once made me laugh. I just don't get its appeal. Even my history teacher likes it? Why God, why?

Bill

Bill, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"South Park" got really tiresome really fast. I mean it thinks its really shocking and subversive but jokes like "You killed Kenny".."You bastards" wasnt even funny the first time never mind over 20 episodes. I hate the way it takes the piss out of everything and that it's too cowardly to have any particular stance of its own.

Michael, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It was really funny the first time I saw it, but it doesn't hold up to repeat viewings. Plus I declare a fatwah on any metaller who thinks they're funny for going "They killed Kenny...". It's distasteful, but not in a good way.

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's best because it takes the piss out of everything without offering a stance of its own. True bipartisanship.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like South Park. I think it's a criticism of the notion of original sin, as the kids are basically good hearted and get 'corrupted' by the world around them. But, it's very possible that I'm reading way too much into it. It has it's funny moments, better than Beavis and Butthead for sure.

james e l, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No stance of it's own? Are we watching the same show? It's a run-on critical commentary on nearly *everything* - including the issues that no one else dares to even touch. A reverse commentary granted, but it's very pointed.

Kim, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I only meant no stance in the sense that they'll dog on liberals and conservatives both, and anything else that deserves attacking.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hating everything is a bit banal, don't you think?

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do they though? They dog on extremes and idiocy and (unjustified) phenomena, but I think they stand somewhere solid inside all that. But why define that? It would be damn boring and narrow if they spelled it out for us. Personal interpretations would suffer. They are a bit jerky tho I guess.

Kim, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's mainly been ruined for me by idiot metallers. A thin line, I think, between cult and cunt.

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's a thin line between cult and cunt." In some strange way, that's the greatest quote I've ever heard. I can't wait to take it out of context. Hating everything isn't banal at all, it's great.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the problem with all reverse commentary I think. It's bad or dangerous because there is always a LOT of people out there that just won't get the joke - and if that's the case, the intention becomes irrelevant. It's either the best or worst thing ever, and you end up being torn in half by the result. Same issue I have with Eminem.

Kim, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

But South Park's attempts to shock are really obvious. The show is just a jaded and cynical. If you're gonna cock a snook at everything do it with some style rather than "I havent seen a jew run that fast since Poland '39!" jokes. A satellite dish coming out of Cartmans arse is funny first time round, but like DG said it doesent bear well for repeated viewings. Once you get over the jokes about eating boxes and how Cartman's mom is a slut, its completely empty and heartless.

Vids out-grosses South Park by light years. "What a load of TUNKY!!" *cue psychotic stare at camera and lolling of head

Michael, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Typical Vids for anyone who hasn't seen it: "Ah Stef, that stone you threw has truncated my tunky mid-coil! My anal aperture's winking like a de-oxygenated guppy fish!" Who needs South Park?

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Even their internet adress is priceless. Spamjavelin!! HAAHAHA!!

Michael, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, there's so much in Vids to make it THE BEST THING EVER. Satan The Lucky Wanksock, their hatred of Guy Ritchie and Vincent Gallo, and of course the all-purpose battle-cry, "ALASHAPALOOD!".

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Guy Ritchie and Vincent Gallo are my two least favorite people in the world. This Vids thing actually does sound like the best thing ever.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, go here. The Flash intro is almost a mini episode. They don't have any video clips up, just the audio from some series and selected samples. You can listen to the audio tracks whilst looking at the stills they've put up, I suppose.

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember them calling Murray Walker a wanker. Viva Vids.

Dave, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, that wasn't nice.

Dave, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

re hating everything ie cynicism - this idea seems so old to me I hardly believe its true anymore but just to rush through it - the only thing that can reign in capitalism is government. becoming cynical about 'everything' - but it always manifests itself as especially about humanist institutions like politics - is obviously to the benefit of capitalist materialism. ultimately, in a nutshell, materialism loves cynicism.

ha ha what's the bet I'll get some really cynical reply to this from someone who doesn't even consider themselves right wing?

yeah Stalinism was better, obv.

Maryann, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Stalinism is/was better - that moustache! Gave Freddie Mercury a run for his money! (Will this do?)

DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYY

Geoff, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ha ha what's the bet I'll get some really cynical reply to this from someone who doesn't even consider themselves right wing?

My vote for Pat Buchanan was based solely on his personality.

Kris, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Listen, to go back to the topic at hand, South Park is hella cool. I mean, a lot of it sucks, but the fact that Satan has the most happening hula parties totally makes up for it.

Ally, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like South Park. Half the episodes are pretty lame, but the other half are so brilliant that it more than makes up for it.

Nicole, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

But it's not as good as Vids. ViDs R00l5!

DG, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, if I may reference another thread (whereupon Mr. Ewing et. al. talked about French TV) - I gained a new appreciation for South Park when I traveled to France for a three-day ultra- cheap sight-seeing tour a couple of years ago. Appreciating the intricate interplay between Wendy Testaburger & Stan Marsh is immeasurably easier when the potty-mouthed chatter is indecipherable & laden with various apostrophes & accents. C'est magnifique! It's no wonder they go ga-ga over Jerry Lewis over there.

And the movie / musical, in any language, is a treat and a half. Actually, I'd have to rank the songs associated with South Park on a level with the best Simpsons numbers.

David Raposa, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, it smells like arse in here. Of course it does you fat fuck - we're in a sewer.

Geoff, Wednesday, 13 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
ALL OFF YOUR MOTHER FUCKING COMENTS THAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE IS SO FUCKING STUPID BECOUSE I THINK IT WAS A CLASSIC.

DANNY ROBOINSON, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, that settles the matter, I feel.

Chris Lyons, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
South Park is funny as hell.....I dont care what yall think!It does get annoying sometimes....but its usually funny!

Mic Master Phil, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I have to admit that the new season of South Park is fucking hilarious. Anyone see the NAMBLA episode? or the "Towlie" one?

michael bourke, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

You wanna get high?

Samantha, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The sex ed episode is also CLASSIC.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The one with the "league of super-best friends" was very funny!...Last weeks was the one with the psychotic vengeful Cartman drinking tears! Disturbing!

jel --, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And of course a certain Oxford fivepiece as well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Super-best-friends"and Moses as the super-computer...oh yeah!

michael bourke, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the one with radiohead (episode 501 - scott tenorman must die: go download it) is simply devastating. i haven't watched it since the first season and the movie, but that episode...just magnificent.

bc, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

*shakes fist angrily upthread*

quickdraw postin whippersnappers!

bc, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

vidz = bTTR

a-33, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

VT4 is currently showing the first series at 5pm on a Saturday. I wuv Belgium.

Jeff W, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Moses as the super-computer

Don't watch it regularly but I think I saw this one way back, and the appearance of Moses as "super-computer" is more specifically the MCP from Tron. (Which had David Warner's face.)

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

aaargh get christina aguillera off my back

Queen G, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

HOW ABOUT THE BUTTERZ EPISODE THAT COMMENTED ON THE MOTEHR THAT DROWNED HER BABIES?!?! = CLASSIC GENIUS

CHAKI, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The Moses episode was great, especially for giving me the chance to affect a deep, resonant voice and say "I DESIRE... MACARONI PICTURES!" in public.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
don't forget to bring a towel!

Mark Molloy, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

South Park is just great. This most recent episode with the kidnapping hysteria and "I AM NOT A STEREOTYPE!" had me in tears. "YOU GOD-DAMN MONGOLIANS! KNOCK DOWN MY SHITTY WALL!"

(Using a horrible accent to get the word "shitty" on air multiple times; classic or dud?)

Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
South Park is a show if you dont like it then don't fucking watch it. America is turning gay in front of my eyes. All of the kids being brought up are going to be homosexual with all the restrictions about what is right and wrong etc. etc. Makes me fucking sick...

Johnny, Sunday, 17 November 2002 05:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Johnny,

Will you suck my cock?

love,
Uncle Sam

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 17 November 2002 06:52 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry m8 end of invoked m8

laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 09:02 (one year ago) link

Yeah but what if.... I ignore you?

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 09:06 (one year ago) link

Scrolling thru upthread, I see that this (like so many on ILX) is a perennial argument which is frequently resurrected but seldom resolved.

Not with a bang but a MAGA (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 12:14 (one year ago) link

When I was in high school this show normalized people calling others “Jews”.

same, but for middle school

I get that SP only exploited something that was already there but I'm pretty sure a good dozen ppl referring to me as "you fuckin' Jew" came directly from show

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 12:52 (one year ago) link

I went back and skimmed through the thread too and:

although the person I know who appears to be the biggest fan of the South Park depiction of Asians is Taiwanese-American; he constantly quotes "our penis VERY SMALL" at people

LOL I'm Taiwanese American too (and grew up in chinese restaurants). I think maybe taiwanese americans are just assholes. Ha!

Yerac, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 13:19 (one year ago) link

Incidentally I've started a King Of The Hill rewatch and the way the race issues are dealt with show that you can discuss stereotypes and bigotry for laughs without being so obviously problematic

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 13:35 (one year ago) link

Yes, I think it's fair to say that pretty much any topic under the sun could be handled with more nuance and sensitivity than is afforded by Parker and Stone.

Not with a bang but a MAGA (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 14:03 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

https://etcanada.com/news/374481/catholic-league-president-hits-out-at-south-park-bosses-over-child-abuse-episode-cowards/

“The October 3rd episode of ‘South Park,’ titled ‘A Boy and a Priest,’ portrayed molesting priests as pedophiles. This is factually inaccurate: almost all the molesters–8 in 10–have been homosexuals."

'Sorry meant poof not pedo'

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 8 October 2018 23:03 (eleven months ago) link

His message read, “The October 3rd episode of ‘South Park,’ titled ‘A Boy and a Priest,’ portrayed molesting priests as pedophiles. This is factually inaccurate: almost all the molesters–8 in 10–have been homosexuals.

“Therefore, the cartoon-victim characters should have been depicted as adolescents, not kids.

Yeah, this is a villain in a Mr Show sketch

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 8 October 2018 23:11 (eleven months ago) link

oh yeah there's a new series! cool. the last series was decent

imago, Monday, 8 October 2018 23:19 (eleven months ago) link

watching this series. the priest episode is amazing.

imago, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:05 (ten months ago) link

idk how they managed to fit that much nuance and sympathy into a character study in a 20-minute crappily-animated comedy show

imago, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:07 (ten months ago) link

old lunch up there carping about nuance and sensitivity - well, there ya go

imago, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:07 (ten months ago) link

Scroll up, bubby. I've been one of their bigger defenders itt.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2018 22:20 (ten months ago) link

fair - but then you should acknowledge when they do something that great! the final scene is exquisite

imago, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:22 (ten months ago) link

(I would still stand by that post as a general thing but I acknowledge that they are able to transcend their general tendency and deliver a 'You're Getting Old' when they're of a mind.)

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2018 22:25 (ten months ago) link

FWIW, your recent revive has made me wanna play catch-up.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2018 22:26 (ten months ago) link

i have the sense they're of a mind more than usual - both first two episodes of this season are really good

imago, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:27 (ten months ago) link

i’ve really enjoyed this season so far

maura, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:10 (ten months ago) link

these are good signs. Going to dive back in for this season.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:20 (ten months ago) link

Haven't watched it (or really wanted to) in years, but a friend recommended the Tegridy episode. When Randy puts the hat on Stan...dying.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:51 (ten months ago) link

YES and the payoff to that bit is amazing

maura, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:49 (ten months ago) link

No episode this week so I returned to the Grounded Vindaloop one that keeps making best-episode lists. I mean I'm still laughing now

imago, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 11:11 (ten months ago) link

this new season has been great.

Yerac, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 11:31 (ten months ago) link

has 'tegridy for sure

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 14:29 (ten months ago) link

this episode was awesome

maura, Thursday, 1 November 2018 03:18 (ten months ago) link

OMG the Halloween episode

there's a non-zero chance the best TV series of 2018 will end up being South Park S22

imago, Saturday, 3 November 2018 22:14 (ten months ago) link

omg a manbearpig walkback!!!!! but of course one that satirises walkbacks lol

imago, Friday, 9 November 2018 22:32 (ten months ago) link

Waiiiiitaminute. Are you suggesting that P+S might actually be questioning the dumbest take they've stubbornly clung to for the past two decades? This I've gotta see.

Always noble, with stunning good looks and genious IQ (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 November 2018 22:35 (ten months ago) link

it was time

imago, Friday, 9 November 2018 22:41 (ten months ago) link

now they just have to roll out a positive portrayal of a trans person

imago, Friday, 9 November 2018 22:43 (ten months ago) link

Dutch age change guy reminds me so much of Dutch colleague...who loved south park

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:37 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Bezos as Star Trek Talosian A++. Great episode

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 December 2018 10:22 (nine months ago) link

holy SHIT at that "16 Tons" opening sequence

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:37 (nine months ago) link

I'm assuming this will all be ruined over the next week or two but for now I'm going to enjoy Marxist rhetoric being deployed so nakedly (and, surprisingly, without snarky takebacks)

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:59 (nine months ago) link

holy SHIT at that "16 Tons" opening sequence


it was really really something

maura, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:21 (nine months ago) link

The last few days have taught me that trying to convince people to watch a new episode of South Park in 2018 is basically impossible, even when I provide hard evidence that the politics are Good, Actually

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:01 (nine months ago) link

they just have to walk back some of the transphobia and i'll be close to 100% on board

imago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:09 (nine months ago) link

Ok the politics are good but is the show funny

Mordy, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:11 (nine months ago) link

this season has been excellent and funny

imago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:12 (nine months ago) link

I mean, I laughed. I especially liked how mutant Bezos had the Mayor in his pocket, which was both funny and timely.

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:12 (nine months ago) link

also the depiction of a wacky accident on the Amazon shop floor airing within 24 hours of that insane IRL bear mace incident was just too good.

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:13 (nine months ago) link

yes!!!

maura, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:21 (nine months ago) link

I am dying to watch this episode. I fell asleep during the anxiety one.

Yerac, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:22 (nine months ago) link

for any curious/doubtful lurkers, the sequence maura and I mentioned:

https://youtu.be/eX4C0CctGSo

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:32 (nine months ago) link

^^ that's great.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:51 (nine months ago) link

pic.twitter.com/uGulpztbVt

— Chris Barrus (@quartzcity) December 7, 2018

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:29 (nine months ago) link

srsly, best tv series of 2018

imago, Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:02 (nine months ago) link

TIL Adam Curtis is a big fan

The Economist: Isn’t religion an organised panic about death?

Mr Curtis: No. I’m not religious but I don’t share the liberal dislike of religion because I think its fundamental point is to reassure us in the face of our own death. That’s what religion does, it gives you a sense that you’re part of something that’s moving onwards. It reassures people. Death is frightening and for a generation who believe that they are alone and were liberated by that idea and had a really good time, to be alone in the face of death is very frightening. So I have a funny feeling that religion might come back.

The Economist: I hope you don’t think I’m being reductive, but it sounds as if religion is a bit of a placebo when it comes to mortality.

Mr Curtis: Well, you are being reductive because placebos are actually as powerful as real things. As we know, in the three-part episode of South Park called “Imaginationland”, Trey Parker very powerfully argues that imagination has been more powerful in shaping the world that we exist in now than anything else. And he’s right. And that’s what we’ve lost to be honest.

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/12/06/the-antidote-to-civilisational-collapse?aggregates/the-economist-intvws-adam-curtis-n-b-full-transcript-long-read

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 15:04 (nine months ago) link

lol what

As we know, in the three-part episode of South Park called “Imaginationland”

Further here: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/nov/14/adam-curtis-documentary-south-park-american-honey

maffew12, Thursday, 20 December 2018 01:08 (nine months ago) link


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