Meanwhile, over in Georgia

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The country not the state. Strange times (and I can't help but think about the US troops that are there and have been since 9/11...will a new government want them removed?).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 06:06 (twenty years ago) link

Some reactions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 06:10 (twenty years ago) link

Be sure to check out the documentary Power Trip which chronicles the problems a vaguely Enron-type of American power company has when they try to run the creaky Georgian power grid and deal with corruption, rioting, and electrical power hackers.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

documentary?

hstencil, Sunday, 23 November 2003 06:17 (twenty years ago) link

Here is the exile's take, if you like it ultra cynical:

http://www.exile.ru/178/178010101.html

fletrejet, Sunday, 23 November 2003 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

suggestive perspective buried in the ultra-cynical exile's take: it's a given among american leftist conspiracy theorists to argue THEY'RE ALL RELATED THEY'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER... but of course the wars of the roses was a quarrel among cousins - when it began, england was feudal: by the close, england was poised to be ruled by the mercantile classes, who already had control of the money

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 23 November 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Breaking news...

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Not too surprising really. The fact that the armed forces appeared to be staying out of it was a good thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

What does anyone know about one of the opposition leaders, Nino Burdzhanadze? She was the chair of the Georgian parliament and is now the acting president until elections are held in 45 days. When was the last time a woman played this instrumental a role in a coup?

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:34 (twenty years ago) link

hillary and watergate haw haw

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

Monica Lewinsky. Oh wait...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

mary todd lincoln! "bitch set me up"!

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

Don't read the exile it is a National Enquirer/Weekly World news style paper on a tight budget run by misogynist expat frat boys in Moscow.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

But how do you really feel?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

national enquirer and weekly world news are two entirely different kinds of newspapers

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

well whatever it's definitely like the enquirer

Ed (dali), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

70% accurate?

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

And your problem with someone who knows more about that part of the world than you do is what exactly, Blount? Sod off. You bore me.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

my "problem"?

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

bye bye ilx, i have bored suzy

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

so this is what happened to trife!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Suzy--Blount's a lot more interesting than you are. And as for you being the determiner of who knows what, well, sod off.

don weiner, Monday, 24 November 2003 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

Wow! Attack from great thinker alert! Lawsey, I's a-cowerin'! Whether someone is interesting is subjective. When you find that quarter under the dust and hair wedged in the cushions of your sofa, please use it to buy a clue if you haven't earmarked it for the pizza guy.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 November 2003 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, why the fuck are you reading this thread? I'm reading it because my friend Hugo is an attache in Batumi and although regime is different there, this might affect his employment. Also, Blount clearly doesn't know nearly as much about ex-Soviet republics as Ed (and I could tell you why, but then I'd have to kill you etc.), but doesn't seem to accept Ed's judgement on the media of that region. And wouldn't fucking shut up about it.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 November 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I have to admit it Suzy--when I see posts of your great genius I'm inspired to drop everything I'm doing and come up with something equally compelling. And wow, to think that you had such juvenile bile in you...I can't help but to get right back in the game and follow up!

As for why I'm reading this thread...none of your fucking business. Or, more succinctly, because I am curious. Perhaps that doens't meet your distinguished qualifications (or am I supposed to brag about my neighbor who goes to Georgia 3-4 times a year for work) but then again, I don't feel the need to be a) interesting enough to gain your subjective approval or b) care if you care.

And while I enjoy Ed's intellect (and he's a Mac dude so he starts off a lot higher in the ranking than mose) from time to time, I don't blindly follow his pontifications every which way. He's right sometimes and he's wrong others. Same with Blount. I realize you want to blanket Ed with authority on this issue but unfortunately, some of us will be happy to watch the issue actually unfold. Can't you find some other thread to shit on?

don weiner, Monday, 24 November 2003 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

Clearly you do care, otherwise you wouldn't waste bandwidth justifying yourself to me (it didn't work).

If there is a news topic I feel it important to cite a connection or personal stake in something as a matter of 'declared interest' - if you think that's a brag you're insecure, so please don't take it out on me. Although he's my boyfriend, Ed has actually earned my respect for his knowledge in this area - I don't 'blindly follow his pontifications every which way'.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 November 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't know Ed was your boyfriend. Why you would want me to know that is, well, odd. Whatever turns your crank. But I must admit I think the guy can spring to his own defense without his girlie doing it for him.

As for this inane series of posts, I only care enough to yank your chain. Which was so unimpressively easy that I have to say it is now...boring. See ya 'round, Suzy.

don weiner, Monday, 24 November 2003 01:36 (twenty years ago) link

Oh lookie! He called me a girlie and ran away!

(Back to tonight's action in Tblisi for y'all and bed for me)

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 November 2003 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

A blogger in Tblisi reports on the situation

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 27 November 2003 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

A TV producer in Tbilisi reports on the situation

elan, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Anybody as creeped out by the whole South Ossetia thing as I am?

Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link

The South Ossetians, presumably

Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Uh, okay...

Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Serious answer: it's pretty disturbing. Things could get really ugly, really fast, and much as one hopes the powers that be will let their economic interests trump their sabre-rattling, sometimes shit gets out of hand.

xpost

Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not sympathetic to either side, here.

Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

If anything, Georgia's behavior seems to be the more questionable of the two, but that all depends on whether Han Russia shot first.

Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, bad behavior all around. timing it during the Olympics is such a classic shitbag move ("no one's looking! let's kill some people!")

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I tend to agree but they're both behaving like swine.

Interestingly, the Ossetians' ancestors, the Alans (who accompanied the Vandals into Gaul and settled in Portugal) are also ancestors of the Serbs.

Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm no apologist for Russia, but the more I think about it, the more likely it seems to me that Georgia struck first. Given that Russia has extended citizenship to most of South Ossetia, I'd imagine they see themselves as legally obliged to defend the area. (Whether or not that's also a handy prextext in realpolitik terms is, of course, another thing entirely.)

Charlie Rose Nylund, Friday, 8 August 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Georgian Foreign Ministry website's been amusingly hacked: http://www.mfa.gov.ge

James Mitchell, Friday, 8 August 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

A terrible situation, but not all surprising ... on the upside, for the West it is useful as it bodes well for perhaps strengthening or locking down HEU. Georgia has always been the weakest link in nuclear proliferation due to geography and political climate (i.e. Georgia currently is a 2.x on CPI) and both the United States and Russia have been at loss about what to due about the northern border (including South Ossetia), so in the least it offers a opportunity for greater global security if annexation occurs.

I don’t want to say too much (to save myself from looking like an ass) but while contemporary politics would suggest this is about annexation I believe this is political maneuvering on Russia’s part to put Saakashvili in the spotlight (which is obviously not in his best interest). It should be said, Saakashvili has fewer friends in the West than Putin and if an overthrow is intended this was the way to do it (at least from a strategic POV).

Allen, Friday, 8 August 2008 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link

"Nø need to fear the Russians. The Havarti Quesadilla Revolutionary Årmy is the real menace. The south will be reclaimed. Long live the Dano-Mex revølution. Long Live Knud Gonzales, the river to his people."

Michael White, Friday, 8 August 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link

haha jon

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 8 August 2008 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

might be a troll but stil a+

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 8 August 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

might be a troll

You think?

Allen, Friday, 8 August 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, bad behavior all around. timing it during the Olympics is such a classic shitbag move ("no one's looking! let's kill some people!")

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:54 (2 hours ago) Link

It's never a good time.

Hurting 2, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Quite a good article in tomorrow's Times. There doesn't seem to be much doubt that this is the big one.

Ismael Klata, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I was in Georgia a month ago and read about the South Ossetia / Abkhazia situations. I remember thinking to myself "see, there are always a million potential flashpoints that seem really serious but never really go off" and smugly imagined myself as thinking like a seasoned diplomat.

Oops.

lukas, Friday, 8 August 2008 22:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know what to make of all this.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/did-karl-rove-chat-to-saakashvili-about-south-ossetia-too/

Did Karl Rove Chat to Saakashvili about South Ossetia Too?
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The White House has started to panic over a July 9 meeting between Condi Rice and Mikheil Saakashvili, desperate to suggest they didn't encourage Georgia's crack-down in South Ossetia. Given that panic, I wonder whether Karl Rove had any similar chats with Saakashvili when they were in Yalta together just days later?

Now, there's been a lot of justified chatter about the role of Randy Scheunemann, who appears to be advising the Republic of Georgia at the same time as he provides campaign advice to John McCain.

Sen. John McCain's top foreign policy adviser prepped his boss for an April 17 phone call with the president of Georgia and then helped the presumptive Republican presidential nominee prepare a strong statement of support for the fledgling republic.

The day of the call, a lobbying firm partly owned by the adviser, Randy Scheunemann, signed a $200,000 contract to continue providing strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington.

Given the way McCain has boasted of his frequent calls to Saakashvili in attempts to reclaim the mantle of the best international leader, it raises questions of whether the Administration's "see no evil" approach to Georgia was part of a deliberate campaign strategy.

Particularly when you consider the fact that Karl Rove may have met with Saakashvili just days after the July 9 private dinner between Condi and Saakashvili that the White House, State, and DOD are now panicking about. Rove was in the neighborhood, in Yalta, at a conference with Saakashvili three days after the meeting (h/t brendanx).

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Anything to win an election, right? I don't know.

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

"Rove was at the Y.E.S. (Yalta European Strategy) conference. Along with Tony Blair, Mikulas Dzurinda, Aleksander Kwasniewski, William Taylor, and a couple hundred of their closest friends."

http://www.yes-ukraine.org/

Anyway, the $200,000 fee for lobbying on behalf of Georgia by Scheunemann is no conspiracy theory. But the guy has a great resume: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/17/randy_scheunemann_mccain_advis.html

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

McCain's connections to Saakasvili are well known to those who are paying attention and I wouldn't put it past McCain (or rather, his advisers) to have a plan beforehand to exploit this to their mutual benefit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Thx Mitya for responding to Ned's question.

More on this fiasco's perception in Russia. From a Czech paper:

http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=282&NrSection=2&NrArticle=19850


The highly emotional media coverage of the conflict has helped to inflame public opinion. Most of those polled by the Russian media hold the view that the conflict was a provocation on the side of the United States, the country that they believe "perceives Russia as its main competitor."

According to a recent poll conducted by the influential nationwide polling agency VTSIOM, every fourth Russian sees the United States as an enemy. Similarly, 25 percent see Georgia in the same way. Other states in Russia’s “axis of evil” include Ukraine and the Baltic nations.

"The way that the West tries to present Russia in the conflict in Southern Ossetia has one major goal: the talk is about changing the charter of the United Nations, where Russia is one of five countries who have the veto right," St. Petersburg lawyer Igor Kalinin told me in a street poll this week. "There’s no legal mechanism to deprive us of this right, therefore everything is being done to discredit Russia and to change the charter. Today, the world is balanced by that charter.

....

Sergei Shelin, a St. Petersburg-based political analyst, said the result of the crisis in South Ossetia would be “the irreversible secession of South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia.”

Perhaps predictably, most of those Russians who have access to Western television channels and agency reports tend to disdain the foreign coverage as "anti-Russian propaganda."

Many Russians blame the United States much more than Georgia. As Mikhail Romadov, a theology student, said in a street poll, Russia and Georgia, as nations, are not enemies. "These two nations are friendly and Orthodox," he said. "Therefore, I think this conflict is in the interest of the world’s major powers, who are not interested in having Russia as a strong economic and political rival.”

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

>McCain's connections to Saakasvili are well known to those who are paying attention and I wouldn't put it past McCain (or rather, his advisers) to have a plan beforehand to exploit this to their mutual benefit.

A plan is one thing but I think Russia called McCain/Sakaashvili/Scheunemann's bluff.

I wouldn't put anything past Karl Rove

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link

anti-American sentiment in Russia dies hard I see.

seriously most Americans don't give two shits about Russia anymore. Standard narrative is "we won the Cold War and now they love our jeans and rock n roll, those crazy drunken commies!"

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

>seriously most Americans don't give two shits about Russia anymore

Which is perhaps why desperate Republicans didn't think anything of engineering a crisis on the *one* issue (foreign policy) McCain has consistently polled ahead of Obama on (by up to 20 points). Yet just like with Iraq (Scheunemann miscalculated there as well, if you read the resume link) they underplayed the consequences

And now Putin has served check mate, and it is a crisis. I don't think Bush was anticipating the tanks moving towards Tblisi, at that volley ball game

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Bush is probably drunk 24/7 these days, I doubt he's anticipating much of anything

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Or maybe this was partially stage-managed by the Russians? Whatever the case, for this to start at the beginning of the Olympics is no coincidence

x-post Bush is probably drunk in anticipation that he'll get to go back to the ranch after all these years of being center-stage

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link

These conspiracy theories ... it's like the US has become Israel all of a sudden

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 14 August 2008 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link

so russia is "moving around" in georgia. anyone think they're planning an occupation of the whole country? or are they just trying to pull the "irregulars" into line, to stop future flare-ups? (like they say)?

still kinda shook

jeremy waters, Thursday, 14 August 2008 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

It's getting colder out there: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080814/pl_nm/shield_poland_dc

U.S. and Poland sign missile shield deal

WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland finally agreed on Thursday to host elements of U.S. global anti-missile system on its territory after Washington improved the terms of the deal amid the Georgia crisis.

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RUSSIA VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED

If everything goes to schedule, the interceptor base would be ready by around 2012, officials have said. The Czechs have already signed an agreement to host the radar although parliament there must ratify it.

Russia has vehemently opposed placing the shield installations in central Europe, saying they would threaten its security and upset the post-Cold War balance of power in Europe.

Washington reiterated on Thursday this was not the case.

"In no way is the (U.S.) president's plan for missile defense aimed at Russia," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "The purpose of missile defense is to protect our European allies from any rogue threats."

Moscow has threatened to take retaliatory steps against Poland and the Czech Republic, its former reluctant vassals who are now part of the European Union and NATO.

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"rare success"

Russia has also been angered by Poland's strong verbal support for Georgia.

The shield deal, if approved by parliaments in Prague and Warsaw, will be a rare success for President George W. Bush who has argued it is essential to contain the threat of a potentially nuclear-armed Iran.

Washington hopes the shield might persuade Iran to abandon its nuclear program, although Teheran says it wants to develop nuclear energy only to generate electricity and not to make nuclear weapons.

Vichitravirya_XI, Thursday, 14 August 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Not sure how this snuck into the press, but one of my (reliable) friends reported reading in a story today that a Russian regular army soldier - a Chechen, in fact - said that his unit had been in South Ossetia for months (i.e. Russia had planned for this eventuality).

mitya, Friday, 15 August 2008 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks. Some of those are none too pretty. Funny how you can know how that's what war's all about, but not really think of 'til you see the pictures

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Kremlin announces that South Ossetia will join 'one united Russian state' says the Times. It's pretty brazen stuff now by Russia. The backstory seems to be shifting slightly day by day too, so that what initially seemed a crazy gamble by Saakashvili now looks more like a last-ditch attempt to pre-empt an imminent invasion that was going to happen anyway - exactly what Mitya said three posts above

Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 August 2008 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

saakashvili met this girl at the vancouver olympics and made her the georgian economy minister! she was in my grad class!

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/georgian-minister-rues-nightclub-photo/

symsymsym, Friday, 30 July 2010 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

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diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

^^ that is Ivanishvili's son rapping about (I think) Georgian Dream, his eccentric billionaire father's political movement.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

Not sure what to make of Georgian Dream. Saakashvili is fairly widely discredited but Ivanishvili's alliance seems to be held together by little more than his personality / cash.

Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, shit is bananas over there. I heard something about a horrible prison rape scandal, but haven't read much about it.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

opening chords sound like "Bye Bye Bye"

gesange der yuengling (crüt), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

His lipgloss is something else. Apparently there is a Saakashvili supported rapper who Bera has beefed with publicly.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 5 October 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link

Kakha Kaladze appears to be Deputy Prime Minister now!

Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link

Wow. Apparently they're going with the "invite all the cool kids to the party" approach?

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

There appears to have been a coup / revolution, of sorts, in Abkhazia. Protesters have taken over government buildings, the President has fled and the government has resigned. It's not entirely clear what their objective is at the moment.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 11:19 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Twitter now being used for pass-agg diplomacy:

Carl Bildt
‏@carlbildt

If @PrimeMinisterGE does not want to listen to the best friends of his country in EU that’s his choice. We take note. @LinkeviciusL

Bildt - Swedish Foreign Minister
PrimeMinisterGE - PM of Georgia
Linkevicius - Lithuanian Foreign Minister

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 8 August 2014 12:58 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

წყლის ჭავლი pic.twitter.com/0BOZzjYtHc

— Rezo 🇬🇪 (@RezoBear) March 7, 2023

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

The first inhabitants of Nagorno-Karabakh have reached Armenia. Nearly the entirety of the population - 120,000 people - are expected to leave the territory as Azerbaijan takes control. https://t.co/ok1Wz2JLeb

— Neil Hauer (@NeilPHauer) September 24, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 September 2023 18:56 (eight months ago) link

The President of the Republic of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh), Samvel Shahramanyan, has signed a degree on its dissolution, effective immediately. The Republic is no more. https://t.co/pyIszJ8tBU

— Neil Hauer (@NeilPHauer) September 28, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 28 September 2023 08:53 (eight months ago) link

auto-correct doesn't know about decrees?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 28 September 2023 17:27 (eight months ago) link

That's right. Knowing how to spell doesn't make you less of a shit.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 28 September 2023 20:54 (eight months ago) link

grumpy much today, xyzzzz?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 28 September 2023 20:56 (eight months ago) link

Spare us the posts where you feel you are "hated" by some on here, or you made to feel "less than human".

That's all I'll say.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 September 2023 10:46 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

Protests escalating again

anvil, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 20:37 (four weeks ago) link

HappeningNow: #Tbilisi’s main avenue is packed with tens of thousands of people protesting against the #RussianLaw.
People keep coming irrespective of tear gas and rubber bullets.#NoToOligarch #Ivanishvili pic.twitter.com/MPghQQKdQS

— Giorgi Oniani (@OnianiG) May 1, 2024

anvil, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 20:45 (four weeks ago) link

This is Tbilisi. Heart of Europe. 10:25 pic.twitter.com/vciUS2gyeq

— Nodar Rukhadze (@xonoda) May 2, 2024

A lot of conflicting reports on just how big these crowds are but certainly appear to be growing

anvil, Thursday, 2 May 2024 19:57 (four weeks ago) link

Fascinating to see!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 May 2024 20:02 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah, good for them... hope it's not another Belarus situation

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 2 May 2024 20:15 (four weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5lEcJCJec0

Further footage here

anvil, Friday, 3 May 2024 01:35 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, good for them... hope it's not another Belarus situation

Has something of a Maidan feel, with the arrival of Titushky as well, though so far small in number

anvil, Friday, 3 May 2024 01:39 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB1S7d91fLk

anvil, Friday, 3 May 2024 19:34 (three weeks ago) link

Starting to look like Maidan

anvil, Saturday, 11 May 2024 09:12 (two weeks ago) link

Chichinadze street side of the parliament right now. Police pushed people here and stopped for now. pic.twitter.com/bRJ853bcKk

— Mariam Nikuradze (@mari_nikuradze) May 13, 2024

anvil, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 08:21 (two weeks ago) link

What foreigners and the Vake/youth liberal bubble needs to understand is this:

YES. Most (but not all) of the country is on their side on the Russian law

YES. 80%+ are pro-EU

YES. Almost everyone hates Russia

BUT....🧵 https://t.co/2Zb6PqIqYO

— Alex Scrivener - ალეკო სკრივენერი (@alscriv) May 17, 2024

Not exactly a counter-argument as such, but could be a broader picture on where the Georgian public as a whole is right, now. b

anvil, Saturday, 18 May 2024 08:33 (one week ago) link

not backing down

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 May 2024 21:15 (six days ago) link


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