TS: SHOWGIRLS vs. ROADHOUSE

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The true cinematic issue of our time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ned wins.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

SHOWGIRLS

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

One time when a bunch of us where watching Showgirls when it got to the scene where Kyle MacLachlan's laying in bed with his ass sticking out, my friend Jefferson froze the screen and said "What I need to do is get a big blow-up of that dark space between his legs and cover an entire wall with it. When people ask me what the mural is of I'll say 'KYLE MACLACHLAN'S SCROTUM!'"

I still haven't seen Roadhouse all the way through.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

But can you at least sing the Ben Gazzara song?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I swear I've seen the end a million times on TV but that's really about it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hm, you haven't seen/heard the bad Motown covers, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You know that scene where they imply that Nomi is going to be a big star in the tradition of LaToya Jackson and Paula Abdul? They totally imply Paula Abdul starred in topless musicals on broadway! I swear, Showgirls totally slanders Paula Abdul's good name!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

BROADWAY? wtf I mean vegas.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You people are sad. Roadhouse is a cinematic classic for three obvious reasons:
1) Patrick Swayze being 'tough'
2) Jeff Healey, Canada's greatest blind guitar player ever
3) This exchange between them:

JH: I thought you'd be bigger.
PS: Yeah, I get that a lot.

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Random IMDb trivia about Elizabeth Berkley:

Once sat next to a man on an international flight who watched Showgirls on his in-seat video screen and never recognized her.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

there's a patrick swayze baby, but no kyle mclaughlin baby.

that's my answer.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Showgirls" wins, and I haven't even seen it. What decides it? Believe it or not, KILLING JOKE have a track ("Hollywood Babylon") on the soundtrack (unavailable elsewhere). Huzzah!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I want to hate Jeff Healey, but I can't because he owns a bar.

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The obvious answer is BARB WIRE.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen Roadhouse, but Showgirls is my second or third favorite film of the '90s. So it probably wins,

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Bless you, Alex. I love reasons like those as deciding factors.

Casuistry is insane, but how insane?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and this question is not answered until Nicolars posts, at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

But why have BARB WIRE when you can have TANK GIRL?

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

We were talking about Showgirls and Roadhouse, not these feeb pretenders to the throne.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

what kind of a fucking airline screens Showgirls as its in-flight movie?!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"would you like some potato chips to go with the naked dancing?"

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"sir, you have to raise your meal tray now..."

"but... I CAN'T!!!"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, where is larcole?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Mommy, what's the naked lady doing in the pool?"
"See below us, honey? That's Pittsburgh!"

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"The landing of Norwest Flight 319 will be delayed until the two-and-one-half hour inflight movie has completed."

and then everyone in the plane gets into quoting the film...

"stewardess, do you have any extra pillows?"
"you can FUCK me when you LOVE me."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Old Lady to passenger next to her: "Where are you from?"
Other old lady throws french fries into the air: "Different places!"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm erect. Why aren't you erect?

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Time to bump this a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This question is like asking which of your children you love the most. I refuse to choose!

Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The mullet-count in Roadhouse is through the roof, so that one, natch.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dudes, the Swayze rules. Therefore Roadhouse. Plus Terry Funk is in it.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously, none of you have had the pleasure of viewing the classic Polish new wave surrealist film Dosta Veild me Kroschka (Old Habits Die Hard) or you wouldn't bother with your bourgois ironic film love. This heartbreaking classic tells the tale of a young strawberry merchant who dreams of becoming the official biographer for a famous novelist, played by beloved Polish actor Ivan Scheerkov (mostly noted for his work on the stage). The use of split screens and fruit-related imagery transcend any technique used in your beloved Showgirls or Roadhouse. I would like to see Patrick Swayze express the complex emotions invoked when a mentor crushes your last strawberry beneath his heel and pushes you into a gutter streaming with sewage, which fades into a speeding river filled by the torrential monsoon rains. I would like to see that indeed!

Broken Record (brokenrecord), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Can't I just wish to see Swayze pushed into a gutter streaming with sewage?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

THe 100 year storm didn't kill him, I doubt raw sewage would do it. He'd surf right out of that shit homeslice.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

He's no Kurt Russell...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

roadhouse has bloooze - fuck that!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Late eighties bloooze at that. The music NOBODY likes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

micheloeb liked it

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Nobody likes Micheloeb either.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that's the truth!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wisdom has been achieved!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haven't seen roadhouse. but my old flatmate and i used to do the thing that nomi does in a criss-cross over her face. very glam.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Pain don't hurt."

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

if Swayze was in Roadhouse he would have totally banged her. Then they would have danced off together to "Time of My Life"

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Interesting mistake there, Chris.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha - chris wants to fuck patrick swayze

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

wrong outsider dude

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

grr. ;)

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

pony boy

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

only substitute Channing Tatum for Mark Walhberg and Allie Grant for Maria Menounos

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 29 June 2015 15:32 (three years ago) Permalink

road house is more watchable and entertaining than show girls

goole, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:53 (three years ago) Permalink

saith jacques rivette,

Starship Troopers (Paul Verhoeven, 1997)

I’ve seen it twice and I like it a lot, but I prefer Showgirls (1995), one of the great American films of the last few years. It’s Verhoeven’s best American film and his most personal. In Starship Troopers, he uses various effects to help everything go down smoothly, but he’s totally exposed in Showgirls. It’s the American film that’s closest to his Dutch work. It has great sincerity, and the script is very honest, guileless. It’s so obvious that it was written by Verhoeven himself rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing. And that actress is amazing! Like every Verhoeven film, it’s very unpleasant: it’s about surviving in a world populated by assholes, and that’s his philosophy. Of all the recent American films that were set in Las Vegas, Showgirls was the only one that was real – take my word for it.I who have never set foot in the place!

drash, Monday, 29 June 2015 17:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Masterpiece against masterpiece.

yeah, that's the general idea. even though i wouldn't call mommie dearest a masterpiece. if anything, mommie dearest would be better TS pairing with road house in that both are bad-yet-entertaining movies.

that said, to me showgirls delivers what others (definitely NOT me) claim they see in Douglas Sirk's films -- namely, over-the-top spectacle that undermines its purported story -- though it's a good bit drier (in a good way!) than any Sirk movie i've ever seen.

Các yếu tố khác ảnh hưởng tới quỹ đạo Sao Diêm Vương (Eisbaer), Monday, 29 June 2015 17:57 (three years ago) Permalink

lol I was talking w/Stevie about Basic Instinct and how Eszterhas really writes these garbage ott scripts that Verhoeven crafts into cinematic gold

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:52 (three years ago) Permalink

That Eszterhas ebook about his interactions with Mel Gibson is amazing in that it reveals lots of personality quirks of the writer and the subject, along with making the point that his nonfiction writing is ridiculous and random

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:53 (three years ago) Permalink

lol damn jacques

rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing

johnny crunch, Monday, 29 June 2015 18:59 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i watched the first 27 min of roadhouse today and i can't believe i lived without it this long
john doe is the bartender?!
gah
i can't wait to watch the rest

La Lechera, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 21:05 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

It's like rolling both movies in one!

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:33 (three years ago) Permalink

(Sorry. I don't really believe that for the record.)

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:33 (three years ago) Permalink

Annnnnd a Paul Verhoeven interview. Happy 20th.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/showgirls-paul-verhoeven-on-the-greatest-stripper-movie-ever-made-20150922

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 22:18 (three years ago) Permalink

why did they interview him about Magic Mike XXL?

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 23:19 (three years ago) Permalink

Pump and thrust

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 23:27 (three years ago) Permalink

As for the finished product: I thought it was perfect. Otherwise I would have changed it.

<3 <3 <3

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 00:39 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

just bought this on blu-ray, it's still so great

everything in this interview shd go w/o saying but this is a great primer for ppl who still don't ~get~ this movie

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/showgirls-paul-verhoeven-on-the-greatest-stripper-movie-ever-made-20150922

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i get it. you can have it.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:16 (two years ago) Permalink

I need to watch all Verhoevens films again. He's my god. Well, after Haneke.

nathom, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:54 (two years ago) Permalink

i've been doing that myself in preparation for a thing i'm writing that may or may not ever get finished. anyway i've basically liked-to-loved everything except spetters

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Verhoeven >>> Haneke (who I like very much)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:07 (two years ago) Permalink

Are you going chronologically, brad? Turkish Delight is special.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:09 (two years ago) Permalink

i'm glad he finally made a really good film last year

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:10 (two years ago) Permalink

quiet morbs

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:15 (two years ago) Permalink

anyway i did not go chronologically. i watched all of his american films and then made my way backwards and forwards with his dutch films. turkish delight was fun but also felt very light to me, so i don't really love it. the fourth man is fucking amazing however

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:17 (two years ago) Permalink

oh, morbs, does that mean you don't like black book?

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:29 (two years ago) Permalink

bc if so you're full of nonsense

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:29 (two years ago) Permalink

I do. That and RoboCop, Total Recall are good as far as they go.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:30 (two years ago) Permalink

Turkish Delight is insane but in increasingly suspect ways as it hurtles toward death.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:30 (two years ago) Permalink

that's my problem with spetters

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:32 (two years ago) Permalink

gonna steal that phraae for my gravestone xp

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:33 (two years ago) Permalink

well yes my sundry opinions can be found in the general Verhoeven thread, after the retro a few months ago

my central problem w/ Showgirls is it's juvenile, and not in a way that personally appeals to me (ie not THAT gay)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:36 (two years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

movie is great altho the rape scene of the non-character is ...not doing what it thinks it is

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 13 May 2017 09:32 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

So I was just checking on Jeffrey Schwarz's work, since I'm seeing The Fabulous Allan Carr later today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Schwarz

And I note re his upcoming projects:

Currently in development are feature documentaries about the making of Paul Verhoeven’s misunderstood masterpiece Showgirls

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 June 2017 18:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Why are you not wearing it right now

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 02:13 (one year ago) Permalink

omg love that tee

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:40 (one year ago) Permalink

would wear a "brown rice and vegetables?!?!?" one too

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:41 (one year ago) Permalink

tbh I am very over the "Versayce" joke but I really like that design

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:58 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

"I'm Afraid of Americans" originally appeared as a rough mix on the soundtrack to the film Showgirls (in which the chorus is "I'm afraid of the animals" instead of the later "I'm afraid of Americans")

"I'm afraid of the animals, I'm afraid of the woods" 🐾

Wes Brodicus, Saturday, 23 December 2017 09:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought this thread would be taller

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 December 2017 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

The fact that there is a 2 disc Blu-ray for Road House now makes me happy. Why yes I own it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:07 (one year ago) Permalink

what are the extras??

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Read up! I never got the special DVD edition so I believe a fair amount is ported over but I'm not positive.

https://www.shoutfactory.com/product/road-house-collector-s-edition?product_id=4718

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh wait, they indicate it -- anything marked "NEW" was done for this release.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean, two separate documentaries on the stunts and the music, a full new documentary on the whole film, etc. etc. Like I said, of course I own it!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:31 (one year ago) Permalink

I kinda want that, but I gotta admit I'd pay $5 extra for a Super Special Edition that omitted this:

• Audio Commentary By Road House Fans Kevin Smith And Scott Mosier

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 23 December 2017 16:25 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Showgirls is classic

stoker (Ross), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ross YOU'RE classic

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Road House is classic.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

If there can be books on Showgirls there can be essay series on Road House.

Hey Roadhouse fans: @theseantcollins is doing the deepest of deep dives on it, Talmudic scholar-ly in nature, and it don't hurt. It's real good, mijo:https://t.co/Bm6K5LnTnj

— Bill Corbett (@BillCorbett) January 9, 2019

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:12 (two months ago) Permalink


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