TS: SHOWGIRLS vs. ROADHOUSE

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The true cinematic issue of our time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned wins.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

SHOWGIRLS

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link

One time when a bunch of us where watching Showgirls when it got to the scene where Kyle MacLachlan's laying in bed with his ass sticking out, my friend Jefferson froze the screen and said "What I need to do is get a big blow-up of that dark space between his legs and cover an entire wall with it. When people ask me what the mural is of I'll say 'KYLE MACLACHLAN'S SCROTUM!'"

I still haven't seen Roadhouse all the way through.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

But can you at least sing the Ben Gazzara song?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I swear I've seen the end a million times on TV but that's really about it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm, you haven't seen/heard the bad Motown covers, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

You know that scene where they imply that Nomi is going to be a big star in the tradition of LaToya Jackson and Paula Abdul? They totally imply Paula Abdul starred in topless musicals on broadway! I swear, Showgirls totally slanders Paula Abdul's good name!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

BROADWAY? wtf I mean vegas.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

You people are sad. Roadhouse is a cinematic classic for three obvious reasons:
1) Patrick Swayze being 'tough'
2) Jeff Healey, Canada's greatest blind guitar player ever
3) This exchange between them:

JH: I thought you'd be bigger.
PS: Yeah, I get that a lot.

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Random IMDb trivia about Elizabeth Berkley:

Once sat next to a man on an international flight who watched Showgirls on his in-seat video screen and never recognized her.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a patrick swayze baby, but no kyle mclaughlin baby.

that's my answer.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"Showgirls" wins, and I haven't even seen it. What decides it? Believe it or not, KILLING JOKE have a track ("Hollywood Babylon") on the soundtrack (unavailable elsewhere). Huzzah!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to hate Jeff Healey, but I can't because he owns a bar.

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The obvious answer is BARB WIRE.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen Roadhouse, but Showgirls is my second or third favorite film of the '90s. So it probably wins,

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Bless you, Alex. I love reasons like those as deciding factors.

Casuistry is insane, but how insane?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and this question is not answered until Nicolars posts, at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

But why have BARB WIRE when you can have TANK GIRL?

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

We were talking about Showgirls and Roadhouse, not these feeb pretenders to the throne.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 05:46 (eighteen years ago) link

what kind of a fucking airline screens Showgirls as its in-flight movie?!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"would you like some potato chips to go with the naked dancing?"

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

"sir, you have to raise your meal tray now..."

"but... I CAN'T!!!"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, where is larcole?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link

"Mommy, what's the naked lady doing in the pool?"
"See below us, honey? That's Pittsburgh!"

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 06:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"The landing of Norwest Flight 319 will be delayed until the two-and-one-half hour inflight movie has completed."

and then everyone in the plane gets into quoting the film...

"stewardess, do you have any extra pillows?"
"you can FUCK me when you LOVE me."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Old Lady to passenger next to her: "Where are you from?"
Other old lady throws french fries into the air: "Different places!"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm erect. Why aren't you erect?

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Time to bump this a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

This question is like asking which of your children you love the most. I refuse to choose!

Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The mullet-count in Roadhouse is through the roof, so that one, natch.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Dudes, the Swayze rules. Therefore Roadhouse. Plus Terry Funk is in it.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Obviously, none of you have had the pleasure of viewing the classic Polish new wave surrealist film Dosta Veild me Kroschka (Old Habits Die Hard) or you wouldn't bother with your bourgois ironic film love. This heartbreaking classic tells the tale of a young strawberry merchant who dreams of becoming the official biographer for a famous novelist, played by beloved Polish actor Ivan Scheerkov (mostly noted for his work on the stage). The use of split screens and fruit-related imagery transcend any technique used in your beloved Showgirls or Roadhouse. I would like to see Patrick Swayze express the complex emotions invoked when a mentor crushes your last strawberry beneath his heel and pushes you into a gutter streaming with sewage, which fades into a speeding river filled by the torrential monsoon rains. I would like to see that indeed!

Broken Record (brokenrecord), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Can't I just wish to see Swayze pushed into a gutter streaming with sewage?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

THe 100 year storm didn't kill him, I doubt raw sewage would do it. He'd surf right out of that shit homeslice.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

He's no Kurt Russell...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

roadhouse has bloooze - fuck that!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Late eighties bloooze at that. The music NOBODY likes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

micheloeb liked it

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody likes Micheloeb either.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

that's the truth!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Wisdom has been achieved!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't seen roadhouse. but my old flatmate and i used to do the thing that nomi does in a criss-cross over her face. very glam.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pain don't hurt."

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

if Swayze was in Roadhouse he would have totally banged her. Then they would have danced off together to "Time of My Life"

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesting mistake there, Chris.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

haha - chris wants to fuck patrick swayze

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

wrong outsider dude

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

grr. ;)

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

pony boy

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

bc if so you're full of nonsense

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:29 (five years ago) link

I do. That and RoboCop, Total Recall are good as far as they go.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:30 (five years ago) link

Turkish Delight is insane but in increasingly suspect ways as it hurtles toward death.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:30 (five years ago) link

that's my problem with spetters

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:32 (five years ago) link

gonna steal that phraae for my gravestone xp

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:33 (five years ago) link

well yes my sundry opinions can be found in the general Verhoeven thread, after the retro a few months ago

my central problem w/ Showgirls is it's juvenile, and not in a way that personally appeals to me (ie not THAT gay)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:36 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

movie is great altho the rape scene of the non-character is ...not doing what it thinks it is

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 13 May 2017 09:32 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

So I was just checking on Jeffrey Schwarz's work, since I'm seeing The Fabulous Allan Carr later today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Schwarz

And I note re his upcoming projects:

Currently in development are feature documentaries about the making of Paul Verhoeven’s misunderstood masterpiece Showgirls

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 June 2017 18:56 (five years ago) link

Why are you not wearing it right now

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 02:13 (five years ago) link

omg love that tee

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:40 (five years ago) link

would wear a "brown rice and vegetables?!?!?" one too

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:41 (five years ago) link

tbh I am very over the "Versayce" joke but I really like that design

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 19 June 2017 13:58 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

"I'm Afraid of Americans" originally appeared as a rough mix on the soundtrack to the film Showgirls (in which the chorus is "I'm afraid of the animals" instead of the later "I'm afraid of Americans")

"I'm afraid of the animals, I'm afraid of the woods" 🐾

Wes Brodicus, Saturday, 23 December 2017 09:25 (four years ago) link

I thought this thread would be taller

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 December 2017 14:59 (four years ago) link

The fact that there is a 2 disc Blu-ray for Road House now makes me happy. Why yes I own it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:07 (four years ago) link

what are the extras??

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:12 (four years ago) link

Read up! I never got the special DVD edition so I believe a fair amount is ported over but I'm not positive.

https://www.shoutfactory.com/product/road-house-collector-s-edition?product_id=4718

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:29 (four years ago) link

Oh wait, they indicate it -- anything marked "NEW" was done for this release.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:30 (four years ago) link

I mean, two separate documentaries on the stunts and the music, a full new documentary on the whole film, etc. etc. Like I said, of course I own it!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 December 2017 15:31 (four years ago) link

I kinda want that, but I gotta admit I'd pay $5 extra for a Super Special Edition that omitted this:

• Audio Commentary By Road House Fans Kevin Smith And Scott Mosier

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 23 December 2017 16:25 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Showgirls is classic

stoker (Ross), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:00 (four years ago) link

Ross YOU'RE classic

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:23 (four years ago) link

Road House is classic.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:32 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

If there can be books on Showgirls there can be essay series on Road House.

Hey Roadhouse fans: @theseantcollins is doing the deepest of deep dives on it, Talmudic scholar-ly in nature, and it don't hurt. It's real good, mijo:https://t.co/Bm6K5LnTnj

— Bill Corbett (@BillCorbett) January 9, 2019

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:12 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I finally watched roadhouse and I guess I liked it? I have this annoying tic now where I involuntarily start analyzing the class politics of every film and I found this one weird in its generation of the petit bourgeoisie against both the working poor and the capitalist. All about reinstating order and hierarchy and also being tied to the land. Maybe even a little bit fascist. I’m not fun at parties and that’s actually true.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 29 February 2020 05:54 (two years ago) link

*veneration. Not generation.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 29 February 2020 05:54 (two years ago) link

I suspect you're on target, not that i'm going to reWatch it to find out.

Certainly THE OSCAR is more watchable than either of these (in terms of movies that SUCK because all three of them SUCK).

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 February 2020 06:30 (two years ago) link

Pain dont hurt

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 29 February 2020 07:24 (two years ago) link

i've stopped watching films and tv altogether because of the overanalyzing tic

i will say that, of the theoretical distaff variants, i would definitely watch "Road Girls" before I would watch "Show House"

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:21 (two years ago) link

girl house > road show

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:26 (two years ago) link

I also kept getting stuck on why a guy named “Brad Wesley” is a Jewish stereotype played by an Italian actor.

Ultimately this one just tries a little too hard at saying something to be enjoyable as pure trash.

Jeff Healey sucks. Terrible singer, cliched guitar player.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 29 February 2020 15:18 (two years ago) link

I guess I didn't get a Jewish stereotype? Roadhouse is more of a Western to me, Wesley is the classic evil mining big shot who runs the town

anyway, I love Roadhouse it's inspiring in how dumb and entertaining it is

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 29 February 2020 15:54 (two years ago) link

Yeah I guess he could just be indeterminate big city rapacious guy. Maybe because Ben Gazzara already looks like he could be Jewish is why it read that way to me.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 29 February 2020 17:15 (two years ago) link

Swayze definitely seemed to be channeling Bruce Lee’s “I have just killed Chuck Norris” face a couple times

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 29 February 2020 17:40 (two years ago) link

Why hasn't this been reincarnated as a poll?

Ainsley James Gryffyd Lowbeer Holdsworth (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:55 (two years ago) link

bc and i say this loving both films it is obviously showgirls

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 1 March 2020 00:10 (two years ago) link

one other (probably obvious) observation is that the movie is not subtly homoerotic throughout (even though he literally rips the throat out of the only guy in the film who admits it) and the straight romance feels like the least convincing part of the movie, although maybe that's just because I don't find kelly lynch very attractive.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:04 (two years ago) link

one other (probably obvious) observation is that the movie is not subtly homoerotic throughout (even though he literally rips the throat out of the only guy in the film who admits it) and the straight romance feels like the least convincing part of the movie, although maybe that's just because I don't find kelly lynch very attractive.

It's part of a whole homoerotic trilogy from Swayze - Road House followed by Point Break followed by To Wong Foo...

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:55 (two years ago) link

I mean half the movie is just both men and women gawking at Swayze, Swayze doing shirtless tai chi, Swayze ass, Kevin Tighe eyeing up swayze shirtless, Kevin Tighe eyeing up Swayze various other times, old lonely farmer eyeing up Swayze, etc., plus Sam Elliot showing his pubes and a scene that feels like it would lead to an MMF threesome with doc if it weren't a regular R rated movie.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 March 2020 03:17 (two years ago) link

hey I already know it's a great movie, you don't have to keep selling me

ten months pass...

I had somehow never seen this Helmut Newton picture of Showgirls (1995)-era Paul Verhoeven pinching his nipples, brought to my attention by @MarBarFu. Some of you may not have either, so I thought I would remedy that. pic.twitter.com/sagXOMujfa

— 💜💜𝔹𝔼 𝕊𝔸ℕ𝔻 ℕ𝕆𝕋 𝕆𝕀𝕃💜💜 (@NickPinkerton) January 6, 2021

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 08:37 (one year ago) link

Bateau my eyes!

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 10:57 (one year ago) link

Not sorry! I had to celebrate I'm finally going to see the You Don't Nomi documentary this week.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 11:10 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

this is the first page of Roadhouse, before FADE IN pic.twitter.com/lzkZORBwpY

— Cate (@supergayscripts) June 5, 2021

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 6 June 2021 01:25 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

i just watched road house again and man

i forgot that when lynch shows up at swayze’s pad and he lifts her up to grind on her he clonks her straight back onto a rough stone chimney, couldn’t have felt nice

Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 October 2021 22:21 (nine months ago) link

nine months pass...

No indeed.

Anyway, this will also not feel nice.

Jake Gyllenhaal will step in for the late Patrick Swayze in a new 'Road House' remake from the director of 'Edge of Tomorrow.' https://t.co/91nXeSw2rT

— Entertainment Weekly (@EW) August 2, 2022

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:16 (two weeks ago) link

I mean if it's about Gyllenhaal continually waking up after being beaten up by Terry Funk in order to save the bar again, that's one thing, but.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:17 (two weeks ago) link

Interesting.. not a film I would consider appropriate for a remake

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:30 (two weeks ago) link

I'm just gonna pretend this doesn't exist, like the Point Break remake.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 20:34 (two weeks ago) link


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