Matrix Revolutions

Just read this website and the story is finally making some sense to me.

http://www.thematrix101.com/reloaded/meaning.php
http://www.thematrix101.com/revolutions/meaning.php

But if I had to take a test on the the plot of the Matrix trilogy I would fail.

it's not that the over-arcing story didn't make sense, it's that it was, as Hoos said, boring.

I liked the planet o' Agent Smiths OK, but this was pretty much donkey balls all around.

Even having enjoyed Reloaded more than most, to my mind this is the most anticlimactic series of films ever, amirite? By "series," I do not mean standalone features that have unnecessary cash-in sequels tacked on, but films which were intended as serials from the outset.

What's good about the first film is the Agent Smith / Cypher dynamic. One wants in, the other wants out.

Cypher may well be a villain but he also appears to be the only one who has grasped *the basic reality of the situation*, indeed, and

Smith's "humanisation" by the matrix is an entertaining reversal of the usual Terminator / Star Trek-style "what does it mean ... to be HUMAN?" business. Smith's answer: it SUCKS, it makes me BAD AT MY JOB.

Also the 1st film has considerable (surely intentional!) comedy value which is very much helped along by the utter humourlessness of Morpheus at al. As of Reloaded, the humourlessness takes over.

As of Reloaded, the humourlessness takes over.

oh this is some bullshit

reloaded is chockablock with all manner of gags

in fact the abandonment of haw-haws in the third act is probably another one of the main reasons I have no use for it after the trucks

apocalypse haw

Smith's "humanisation" by the matrix is an entertaining reversal of the usual Terminator / Star Trek-style "what does it mean ... to be HUMAN?" business. Smith's answer: it SUCKS, it makes me BAD AT MY JOB

This is a good point, the more I think about it now the more it seems like it was supposed to be the humans and machines reaching a compromise, what with the program Rama talking about love and the "human" Morpheus talking about machines and people needing each other. I wish there was more of this dialog than mechs-blasting-zillions of squid-bots but what the hey...

To me the whole "Neo is the One, no Neo is not the One, wait Neo IS the One but he can't change anything, wait Neo is controlling the real world with his mind" was the most confusing bit. Hopefully seeing these Animatrix things will clear up some of the timeline for me..

in fact the abandonment of haw-haws in the third act is probably another one of the main reasons I have no use for it after the trucks

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, December 9, 2008 1:53 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest

Come on, you'd miss out on Persephone's perfect tits! I'm glad she's in all the scenes with the silly French dude so I can just tune him out cos otherwise he'd be pretty annoying.

I thought the trucks happened after Persephone's tits...?

he thinks I'm referring to the thread title instead of the third act of Reloaded

Wow, I am watching the Second Renaissance right now and it is amazing, shocking, and mind-bending. Much much much better than those sequels. I'm tempted to say I like it better than the Matrix but it's too short!

Beyond and Matriculations are even better but The Second Renaissance could've made for a great Matrix prequel perhaps

My memory of Revolutions is more or less three solid hours of gurning grunts strapped into comically large exoskeletons shooting ridiculously many rounds of ammunition into endless streams of those squid robot thingys. Punctuated by a brief interlude of cartoon Keanu battling a thousand cartoon Mr Smiths, animated with the style and quality of Hanna Barbera.

The Second Renaissance is by far the best of Animatrix imo

omfg those exoskeletons were totally ridiculous. this is what happens when you try to make mecha vaguely realistic - you wind up with a stupid ass artillery platform that's slower and more fragile than one that's on wheels, and as a bonus in Revolutions they also don't carry enough ammunition to last more than two minutes. That shit was ridiculous with the fucking handcart.

they should've been at the rave in the mech suits

its funny to me that everybody talks about the multi-Smith CGI that I didn't even notice at the time. What really stood out to me was the one long slow zoom on a rendered man-in-mech as the Sentinels began streaming in

i was like "wtf this looks like a final fantasy vii cutscene why isn't everyone laughing at this"

Too busy crying

I tend to contrast this with the Pirates of the Caribbean movies: in both cases I had faith coming out of the second one, and the third made me a fool with its incoherent mess, but At World's End at least had a sandship/Singapore/Keith Richards - lots of details to keep the attention. Also, you got the impression that they at least had a plot at some point before chopping bits out of it. Both of them have big spectacular endings that are inferior to the smaller setpieces in the second one (highway scene/three-way swordfight).

Also, I have watched At World's End twice, and nothing on this planet could make me sit through Revolutions again.

At World's End probably has a better script and acting but I didn't enjoy it as much as Revolutions at the time (i may do on rewatch tho - not that i want to see either again tho)

At World's End >>>>>>>>>> Revolutions

The 4 years in which The Matrix was worshipped and looked at as the next Star Wars or whatever were unbearable, and I'm eternally grateful to the sequels for being so shitty that even the fanboys jumped ship.

omfg those exoskeletons were totally ridiculous. this is what happens when you try to make mecha vaguely realistic - you wind up with a stupid ass artillery platform that's slower and more fragile than one that's on wheels, and as a bonus in Revolutions they also don't carry enough ammunition to last more than two minutes. That shit was ridiculous with the fucking handcart.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:01 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

film criticism very much in character

"New Star Wars" sounds fair enough - well put together, amaaazing special effects for its time, vague mystical understructure. We just didn't have to wait 30 years to feel all the blood drain from our bodies.

Oh yeah also annoying fuckers claiming the original was "never that good" :)

i liked the original when it came out but i didn't love it

Oh yeah also annoying fuckers claiming the original was "never that good" :)
Seriously, no matter how annoying the other two got, the first one still holds up very well.

i can see why the sequels might ruin the first film for people, tbh. there are some minor things in the original that are indicative of the coming shitstorm and now seem lamer.

listen slocki I'm just saying what everybody else is thinking.

I think there are a lot of things in the original that make you think they'd never chose the angle they took with the other two that can make you forget the shitstorm in rewatching

The 4 years in which The Matrix was worshipped and looked at as the next Star Wars or whatever were unbearable, and I'm eternally grateful to the sequels for being so shitty that even the fanboys jumped ship.

A-FUCKING-MEN

yeah that was sort of the most hilarious fallout from the sequels. all these people who invested in the promise of this awesome universe got matrixrolled in the worst way

it's simple. Matrix was "for teenagers" in the same way Star Wars was "for kids".

I think you mean "for goths"

first movie is fucking retarded btw

like teenagers

lolz point taken

btw i can't think of the matrix without thinking of this first

"SEAN PILE"

yeah that was sort of the most hilarious fallout from the sequels. all these people who invested in the promise of this awesome universe got matrixrolled in the worst way

this guy was depressed for MONTHS afterword:

http://www.viceland.com/int/dos_donts/1652/main.jpg

Some fans persist. I helped a 20-ish guy at work in the bookstore today who could have walked off the set of one of these movies, trenchcoat and all. No, he did not remove his black lolmatrixglasses indoors.

i think there are a ton of douchebags who just dress like that, whether they like these movies or not.

they're called goths and they cannot die cuz they're like sexy leather vampire gods dontchaknow

True, but the guy totally blindsided me (ok, I saw it coming) by bringing these movies up in conversation while we looked for some sci-fi books or graphic novels or whatever it was he came in for.

I think that a case could be made that the Matrix films DO have a sense of humour, but I'm not sure that the same could be said of their fans, at least IME.

"SEAN PILE"

― Yentl vs Predator (blueski), Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is mega lolz should xpost with wanda sykes tribute thread

never seen that chapelle, funny!!

I haven't gone back and re-watched the first to see what other hints it drops, but I know a massive one is when Neo gets interrogated and you see the giant Batcave TV-bank of The Architect!

3d sequels apparently happening UH

Meanwhile, the Wachowskis are also working on a futuristic Robin Hood retelling called Hood, which Reeves says is set to star Will Smith

Matrix sequels debunked. http://screenrant.com/matrix-4-5-bill-and-ted-3-keanu-reeves-rob-97796/