― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
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― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link
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― theodore fogelsanger, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
sadly this important historical revelation is nowhere reflected in stone's film
"the parallax effect" and "three days of the condor" are two pretty good 70s 12-ft-lizard movies abt assassination politics
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
JFK is *made* by that mr. x/sutherland sequence,but yep those techniques of multi-film stock/editing craziness etc seemed brilliant/insane/eye-popping in '92. nobody else had done anything like that. in fact 'nbk' was just re-hashing most of them shot for shot andno-one noticed as they hadn't seen jfk in the 1st place. it was a seriously under-watched film at the time, but at 2 hrs 20 minuteseven in it's original non-director's cut that isn't surprising.
stone never ever ever said anything about it being the whole truth.it was well known that x was based on prouty, although obviously the waters are yet more muddied around the conspiracy by the fact that he goes too far the other way in trying to convince us of his version, but hey it asked a lot of questions, and it made people ask more questions etc etc. empire magazine gave it some kind of weird 'inspiration' award about 5 years ago for some reason and stone showed up, gave a speech looking genuinely touched, moved etc.
there was an *astonishing* episode of DISPATCHES (channel 4, uk)which i had seen early 90's ('91 ?) not long before seeing the movie,and that was all facts no theory, it definitely helped to see something like that beforehand.
sutherland's fave bit of all his 80's/90's work he says. 3 months prep for 1 days' acting by all accnts. one day !
" does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you mr garrison ? ...not for one moment"
― piscesboy, Thursday, 16 October 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link
Of course, Alexander will be when he stops blaming the gays and ethnics for everything that's wrong with the world. Naturally. I should really see Salvador. It's got James Woods and it's not a revisionist take on American history. Whew.
Yes, Sutherland was great. Though I really wish they'd given John Candy more scenes.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 October 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link
That documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and the follow up are also worth watching if you are interested in the Kennedy assassination. I think Stone nicked more from it than he would want to admit.
― earlnash, Friday, 17 October 2003 00:35 (twenty years ago) link
still a really good movie!
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link
That's what I always say, too.
― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
This pitch is copyright, btw.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
(I must have time on my hands)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link
(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)
(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Knoll Edmonds (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah
the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)
hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards
plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link
Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.
The motorcade sped on...
― Steinski (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Or just read Posner's book.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 18 October 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
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― jones (actual), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link
obviously JFK complete and utter bunk as history, though of course donald sutherland makes the craziness seem almost plausible for a split second. one GOOD thing the movie did do was inspire the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that got out a lot of previously classified documents and historical information about the era.
and i agree with gear the movie is hilarious.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
people like that shouldn't watch movies!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link
"oh go back to sleep, Jim"
"Dammit Liz, I been sleepin for three ye-ahs"
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
who could forget the scene where bacon, jones, and pesci are parading about painted in gold watching homoerotic silent 1920's sports footage!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link
(2m 37s in that clip)
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 11 September 2023 01:53 (eight months ago) link
Coming soon to 4K UHD from Shout Select JFK (1991) 4K UHD #4KUltraHD #4K #Bluray #PhysicalMedia #Movie #Movies #Film #Cinema #FilmTwitter #JFK #KevinCostner pic.twitter.com/TuWhdNh4i4— Dawn of The Discs (@dawnofthediscs) October 2, 2023
― peanut filibuster parfait (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2023 18:11 (seven months ago) link
According to the site:RUN-TIME205 / 188 minSo here’s hoping we are getting the theatrical version in 4K
― peanut filibuster parfait (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2023 18:14 (seven months ago) link
Camelot in smithereens!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2023 19:27 (seven months ago) link
I don't think John Williams is given enough credit for this film's score. It's traditional American epic by way of Morricone's score for The Thing. It really gives a sinister, eerie undercurrent to so many of the scenes. It's off-kilter, and elsewhere when he engages in some patriotic marching band motifs, it morphs into a horror score (like the opening assassination scene.)
― omar little, Sunday, 29 October 2023 16:56 (six months ago) link
Fuck yeah!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 October 2023 17:15 (six months ago) link
i missed the 4K announcement somehow. Lord, wake me. I must be dreaming.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 16:39 (six months ago) link
Unfortunately, that set's theatrical release is only BR, not 4K, but honestly, that's still better than I'd hoped for given Stone's preference for the idiotic director's cut.
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 17:31 (six months ago) link
I haven't seen this film since it came out. I've gone down the Dave Emory rabbit hole, I feel like I should rewatch this and also watch JFK Revisited.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 17:38 (six months ago) link
the director's cut really is pointless, all of the additional conspiracy backstory stuff feels so blatantly extraneous, and i actually think unlike a lot of DCs where there's gold mixed in with runtime padding, there's absolutely zero added value to the film from any of it.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 21:44 (six months ago) link
I dunno.
We got back from touring a distillery this afternoon and I was in the office restroom, standing in the common space buckling my belt, stifling the urge to go, "Mr. Garrison! Mr. Garrison! I have something for you!"
― pplains, Thursday, 9 November 2023 03:26 (six months ago) link
Like the directors cut, your encounter could’ve been a half hour shorter
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 November 2023 03:33 (six months ago) link
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/friend-secret-cia-agent-think-190000508.html
this theory is LIT
― omar little, Monday, 20 November 2023 16:51 (six months ago) link
^^ the woman who's the subject of that book would be fascinating regardless of any connections to the JFK assassination, but her admission that she was in Dallas that day and flew out immediately after the assassination is hugely implicating!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 20 November 2023 18:54 (six months ago) link
holy shit! yeah i love this one jerrie cobb is legit incredible even without this, can confirm(also any fans of For All Mankind tv show she was the basis for Molly Cobb’s character)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 November 2023 19:01 (six months ago) link
babushka lady all set to fly oswald INTO SPACE
^^my take
― mark s, Monday, 20 November 2023 19:38 (six months ago) link
The Texas theater (theater they arrested Oswald) has an absolutely amazing itinerary for JFK assassination 60th anniversary. pic.twitter.com/LDmCwV2sCj— pugmane 🦃 🐾 🐛 🥫 (@pugmane) November 19, 2023
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 November 2023 19:52 (six months ago) link
I think the only way to read the warren report is a hallucinatory late-night session
Her book even builds a convincing case for Jerrie being a CIA agent with the cryptonym QJWIN, whose role was to recruit killers for an assassination squad that originally targeted Congolese prime minister Patrice Lumumba.She is anxious to point out, though, that hers is not a “case closed” type of book, saying: “Books that claim to have those answers are probably not as credible as books that present the evidence and let people decide.”
She is anxious to point out, though, that hers is not a “case closed” type of book, saying: “Books that claim to have those answers are probably not as credible as books that present the evidence and let people decide.”
I have decided this is insane, but amazing.
― omar little, Monday, 20 November 2023 20:09 (six months ago) link
Babushka Lady sort of fucked up really, getting caught on camera dressed up all like a CIA op in a tan trench coat, calmly stood on the grassy knoll - while all other bystanders had hit the deck!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:24 (six months ago) link
I was thinking about all this shit yesterday as I finally finished off The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:28 (six months ago) link
one of the best books table has recommended
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:58 (six months ago) link
I hope you like squab!
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 01:29 (five months ago) link
How was your mousse?
― omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 02:49 (five months ago) link
“Frankie!”
― active spectator of ecocide and dispossession (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 November 2023 04:05 (five months ago) link
don’t you— don’t you think THIS has something to do with THAT?
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 07:57 (five months ago) link
i promise [grits teeth] i'll make more time for jasper
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:45 (five months ago) link
My life is fucked, Liz! And yours is, too!
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:51 (five months ago) link
in fact, i admired president kennedy. a man of true panache. wife with impeccable taste. [brief cut to liz at ruined brunch]
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:56 (five months ago) link
Christopher Wallace 🐊@Wallace_Chris12DeSantis is our generations JFKHe’s
- A family man- Faithful to his wife - Young gun who brings energy to the party
I see no reason why we shouldn’t nominate DeSantis
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Currently rated helpful7h·View detailsShown on XDirectly addresses the post’s claim · Provides important contextJFK was not faithful to his wife
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 November 2023 11:30 (five months ago) link
Ask not if my party can bring the young gun with the energy...
― pplains, Thursday, 23 November 2023 16:11 (five months ago) link
The only reason to get him on Elm is you got him in a triangulated crossfire. You put a team there down at the fence. Frontal shot. Flat, low trajectory. Put a third team down in this building on a low floor. When Kennedy gets in the kill zone, it's a turkey shoot.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:18 (five months ago) link
That's a Texas Live Oak, boss. It sheds its leaves the first week of March.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:32 (five months ago) link