A Thread about the film JFK

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Joe Pesci in a horrible wig screaming that it's a riddle wrapped inside a mystery wrapped inside an enigma then noting that all he ever wanted to be was a Catholic priest. Kevin Bacon as a gay prostitute who declares that "fascism is coming back!" Is that a brillo pad on Tommy Lee Jones's head? Donald Sutherland imitating the micromachine man from galoob. Kevin Costner announcing that he's ashamed to be an american. Kevin talking to a black woman for two seconds to reaffirm his character is a good man (classy, Stone!). Sissy Spacek is mad at him for ignoring the children until he announces that Bobby's been shot, which inspires sex and devotion in her. The man at the firing range wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald, it was FRANK WHALEY!!! Ed Asner beats the shit out of Jack Lemmon. Operation Mongoose is led by the cuban-gay mafia, with help from U.S. Generals. Back and to the left...back and to the left. DO NOT FORGET YOUR DYING KING. WHAT IS PAST IS PROLOGUE.

Is painfully innaccurate bullshit hollywood cameo crazy stereotypical racist messianic horseshit ok as long as it's VIBRANT, intense horseshit? As long as John Candy plays a sweaty jive-talker who thinks that Costner is as crazy as his mamma, goes to show its in the genes?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, it is! I love this movie! Donald Sutherland's scene is so amazing (though I wish they did it without cutaways)... who else could carry a 25-minute monologue? (All about that voice.) It's a great thriller.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:16 (sixteen years ago) link

great movie. and indeed sutherland is majestic in that monologue

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link

It could all be made-up shroom-hallucination-derived nonsense for all I care.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I will admit I loved the film in middle school. I find it really hard to get over the manipulativeness of it (I know manipulation isn't bad per se, I AM a DePalma fan, but Stone's use of it to fuck with history bothers me BIG TIME). That said when me and a friend rented Ruby we were so bored that we put in JFK after about ten minutes. If I'm gonna watch some red-head psychotic plan the death of the greatest president Oliver Stone ever knew, I'm gonna watch Joe Pesci play him, goddamnit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link

And Brian Doyle-Murray as Jack Ruby!!!! Way better than Danny Aiello.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I actually first saw this movie earlier this year! Weirdly enough.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link

crazy! and you call yourself a Stone apologist! I saw it in the theaters and me and my friend were bursting with liberal conspiracy theory fervor afterwards. Though even then I was annoyed by Stone's cliched wife-doesn't-understand-I'm-saving-the-world bullshit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link

The funny thing is a couple nights later I was a little st*ned and I was talking to a friend of mine a mile-a-minute and I got on the JFK thing and I had to stop myself because I was acting like such a cliche. I still can't believe I actually did that.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again (only to get yelled at for it): I love the editing. I don't mean the fast cuts so much as the sheer crazy techniques within that speed that he really didn't start off on until JFK and The Doors. And jeah, fuck the inaccuracies - it's a great MOVIE, and if you just go into it knowing that it's horrible history but wonderful cinema - what a rush! Also one of the few films, as mentioned above, that makes a good argument for a big and extremely famous ensemble cast (with a large proportion of them playing against type, no less).

And the Rooker! How can you forget Michael Rooker?


I seriously need to stop raving about all this before I stain my pants.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I seriously need to stop raving about all this before I stain my pants.

Never stopped Stone!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link

i once had a strange theory that JFK was Stone's Hamlet and that Nixon was Macbeth - i think i got it from an interview or something

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I could make a post here that was just "slutsky's OTM about X, Girolamo's OTM about Y..." Sutherland makes the movie, for one thing. It's sort of borderline for me; there are a lot of scenes that don't hold up as well to multiple viewings as other parts, so it's not something I'll watch the entirety of when it's on HBO or whatever. But the good parts are a lot of fun.

And Stone was up front (eventually, maybe? I don't remember if he said this all along) about the history being fucked; "it's a myth, yeah, but it's a myth to counter the equally-false one we've been handed by the gov't," sentiments to that effect. Hell, I'd like to see more intentionally-fucked history in movies, without it being played for laughs; there could be a lot of material there.

As for the ensemble cast thing: anything else about the movie aside, has the "huge cast of famous people" thing been done better than in this? Altman's good with that, but I don't know if he ever did it quite this well, especially if you don't count Short Cuts.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link

"Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left..."

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Clearly Stone needs to remake It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World!

(Okay, I forgot about that one. I'd have to see it again, though.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

JFK is wonderfully messed up as a movie, but isn't all that great as a JFK assassination movie. I seem to recall that one of Apocalypse Culture volumes had a list of the subliminal scenes in the movie.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:03 (sixteen years ago) link

What's great as a JFK assassination movie? Winter Kills?

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Norma Jean and Marilyn

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Here it is: subliminal scenes in Oliver Stone's JFK

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (sixteen years ago) link

The best JFK assassination movie: Executive Action

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, Radio would be great as a JFK assassination movie. As would be Finding Nemo.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:08 (sixteen years ago) link

ET, have you seen Winter Kills?

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought you had linked to Executive Decision for a second there.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Also check out Interview With The Assassin

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:12 (sixteen years ago) link

As history JFK is questionable to say the least, though supposedly so is the Warren Report. As viseral cinema it is phenomenal in its energy and detail, examples that previous posts by Slutsky and Girolama point out. The Lee Harvey Oswald bio montage, opening Bay of Pigs newsreel overture, and the aforementioned Sutherland monologue are key examples of why Stone was nearly unmatched as a filmmaker in 1990s Hollywood.
Executive Action has the hilarious closing V.O., which is stangely eerie, about how one witness to the assasination was killed by a "karate chop to the neck".
The more intellectually thoughtful artistic works to be inspired by the Kennedy assasination include Don Delillo's fictionalized Oswald bio "Libra", which theorizes a series of events that are scarily realistic with respect to human nature. And Bruce Conner's short film REPORT uses footage taped off of television to give a powerfully expressive montage account of what (I imagine) it was like to experience the event as a television viewer. Conner uses repetition brilliantly in the piece.

theodore fogelsanger, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link

i dreamt last night that the cause of jfk's assassination was bob-a-job week

sadly this important historical revelation is nowhere reflected in stone's film

"the parallax effect" and "three days of the condor" are two pretty good 70s 12-ft-lizard movies abt assassination politics

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link

'parallax view' you mean i think . terrified me aged about 13 that.

JFK is *made* by that mr. x/sutherland sequence,but yep those techniques of multi-film stock/editing craziness etc seemed brilliant/insane/eye-popping in '92. nobody else had done anything like that.
in fact 'nbk' was just re-hashing most of them shot for shot and
no-one noticed as they hadn't seen jfk in the 1st place. it was a seriously under-watched film at the time, but at 2 hrs 20 minutes
even in it's original non-director's cut that isn't surprising.

stone never ever ever said anything about it being the whole truth.
it was well known that x was based on prouty, although
obviously the waters are yet more muddied around the conspiracy by the fact that he goes too far the other way in trying to convince us of his version, but hey it asked a lot of questions, and it made people ask more questions etc etc.
empire magazine gave it some kind of weird 'inspiration' award about 5 years ago for some reason and stone showed up, gave a speech looking genuinely touched, moved etc.

there was an *astonishing* episode of DISPATCHES (channel 4, uk)
which i had seen early 90's ('91 ?) not long before seeing the movie,
and that was all facts no theory, it definitely helped to see something like that beforehand.

sutherland's fave bit of all his 80's/90's work he says.
3 months prep for 1 days' acting by all accnts. one day !

" does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you mr garrison ? ...not for one moment"

piscesboy, Thursday, 16 October 2003 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link

man, donald sutherland's voice is one of the greatest things about the 20th century

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

canadians already rule the world = the REAL conspiracy here!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I should note that when I talk about manipulative and misleading bullshit I'm not just talking about the JFK conspiracy stuff. I'm also talking about stuff like the closing summation from Costner that didn't exist in real life cuz Garrison's assistant actually gave the closing speech. I'm more complaining about the way Hollywood (and Stone is DEFINITELY Hollywood, sorry) always bleaches movies based on real life. A Beautiful Mind being a classic example. It always seems to me that the real story is more interesting, cuz, well THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life. Stone's "alternative myth" is such a case of two wrongs not making a right, though I'm even more grossed out by Nixon, where his visual style became much more random and simplistic.

Of course, Alexander will be when he stops blaming the gays and ethnics for everything that's wrong with the world. Naturally. I should really see Salvador. It's got James Woods and it's not a revisionist take on American history. Whew.

Yes, Sutherland was great. Though I really wish they'd given John Candy more scenes.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

That's kind of the problem with all movies ever.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Except for "Who's Harry Crumb?"

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 October 2003 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

They better not touch that scene where he's lying flat against that big skylight.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I hope someone actually get the cash to make James Ellroy's books "American Tabloid" and "The Cold Six Thousand" into a miniseries. Those two books are much, much further over the top, ugly and entertaining than either "JFK" or "Libra".

That documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and the follow up are also worth watching if you are interested in the Kennedy assassination. I think Stone nicked more from it than he would want to admit.

earlnash, Friday, 17 October 2003 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link

JFK is really massively entertaining and beautifully put together, but of course total bullshit. I saw it around the same time I read a handful of conspiracy books by the likes of Jim Marrs, Gerald Posner, and some others. Posner's was the most convincing, and he thinks Oswald did it. And if you've ever met some of these astonishingly influential conspiracy theorists (I worked on a bad cable TV show that had a couple of them on...Marrs and the guy who wrote Best Evidence), you can see how loony they are. Marrs also believes that UFOs attacked Los Angeles in the '40s. Logic just doesn't prevail in the case of JFK....

still a really good movie!

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:00 (sixteen years ago) link

It always seems to me that the real story is more interesting, cuz, well THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life.

That's what I always say, too.

oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:06 (sixteen years ago) link

We need more films this insane!! Stoney shd do the Florida election in the same style. Gay Cubans agogo, neo-con cabals in smoky rooms, lurking Ay-rab terrorists... k-classic.

This pitch is copyright, btw.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Too bad you can't copyright ideas... ;)

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

You sure about that? It's written, anyway.

(I must have time on my hands)

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link

if only stone had based jfk on this theory

(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)

(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link

WTF? Witnesses? I like ballistics, they are fun. But -- well, are there not easier ways of finding out here? Man stands up with sub-machine gun? In plain sight? And says 'I wan you to meet my liddle fren'

Knoll Edmonds (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link

the description of hickey's movements on the web-page is inaccurate: the book suggests he fell BACKWARDS when the cars speeded up, and so wd not particularly have LOOKED as if he was firing a (single acc.theory) shot, just as if he was falling over backwards

it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah

the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)

hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards

plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it

mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

More details - just arrived.

Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.

The motorcade sped on...

Steinski (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

haha i tried to find one of the pix in question but found myself on a page where some loony was claiming, based on a photo blown up so large you couldn't make out ANYTHING AT ALL, that one of kennedy's SS-men is "grinning in an evil way" hence etc etc

i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds

mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

If you've ever been to the School Book Depository and gotten a look from up there, you'd have no doubt that it's an easy shot, for the most part. As for the whole "he didn't have enough time" thing, they don't take into account that the first shot fired was a complete miss. One in the trees, one in Kennedy and Connolly, one in Kennedy's head.

Or just read Posner's book.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

People believe this conspiracy shit now for the same reasons they think Saddam partially orchestrated 9/11: they don't know jack about the case, the circumstances, the evidence, and how illogical it is that a shooting like that would be carried out with the shooters (who allegedly weren't of the Sirhan Sirhan "I just don't give a fuck" school of thinking, but wanted to get away) mere feet away from dozens of people, cameras everywhere, etc.

Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 18 October 2003 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link

if stone had based the movie on the slapstick theory then it would have been nowhere near as exciting of course.

I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link

no but it wd be funny, which is better than exciting

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link

what about something that's funny and exciting? like your beloved spaceballs!

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Summer treats the evidence as if he were William Wyler attempting a solid craftsman's interpretation of the material, but the conclusions are not dissimilar.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:34 (ten months ago) link

he's also very hard on the Posner book, which i did find convincing at the time, and iirc it did seem to explain Oswald's behavior as being perfectly in line with someone who was mentally unbalanced, which is something i think oft overlooked by conspiracy-minded types trying to find cold logic in events that are the result of unpredictable and illogical human behavior. this book is intriguing thus far, though.

omar little, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:49 (ten months ago) link


difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:58 (ten months ago) link

I never did believe it.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:01 (ten months ago) link

i can't believe you're saying this in the courtroom!

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 09:39 (ten months ago) link

I saw a girl the other day, she was pregnant -- you could see her whole belly, and you know what she painted on it? "Love Child."

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:50 (ten months ago) link

You're out of order, Jim Boy! Now sit down!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 14:39 (ten months ago) link

well, i wanted to make sure that she was the same girl i sent away!

― difficult listening hour, Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:55 AM bookmarkflaglink

assuming this is direct from a transcript too now. always reminds me of gravity's rainbow

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 14:56 (ten months ago) link

dlh, you're pickin' gnat shit outta peppa!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 15:02 (ten months ago) link

That polecat Lyndon

omar little, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 15:46 (ten months ago) link

four weeks pass...

been digging into that Summers book a bit more. That Silvia Odio story, which gets a mere passing mention in the film, practically has an entire chapter devoted to it in the book and actually seems a bit more sinister than Stone made it out to be. Alfred, you've got to track down your source aka your buddy from years ago.

omar little, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:41 (nine months ago) link

shit, omar, I can't remember what I did last night, let alone three years ago!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:42 (nine months ago) link

yeah, putting aside my buddy's anecdote about the Odio incident, that's one of the tributaries with the ring of truth, and Summers doesn't disbelieve her.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:43 (nine months ago) link

the thing that rings true is the notion that Oswald was perhaps a government asset or agent, and if that was the case: while his behavior seems really unusual and odd and obvious, it only seems that way now once we're looking at it under a microscope and putting it into context and i don't doubt there were hundreds of other assets or agents who acted with similar oddness and inconsistency because they were working for a larger U.S. agenda. like it's the type of behavior that if Oswald had never become mixed up in the Kennedy assassination (either by actually perpetrating it or being part of a plot or simply in the orbit of those who did kill him) no one would have ever noticed these inconsistencies. much of it rose to the surface after the fact.

omar little, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:50 (nine months ago) link

I don't get it, though. The guy defects to the USSR and then comes back and hands out pro-Cuba leaflets but is in fact anti-Castro on the down low.

This is a weird little scene- Oswald goes into a store of an anti-Castro guy and says he can help him and then gets into a fight with him and is arrested. At the police station Oswald requests an interview with the FBI.


brownie, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:37 (nine months ago) link

he next day, Oswald again visited the store and left his Guidebook for Marines f

"Oh! What have we here?!"

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:38 (nine months ago) link

that’s precisely the point of both brothers, there’s more to this than you could dream

omar little, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:45 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Another year he's dead.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 November 2019 20:02 (eight months ago) link

They should've given him a medal for starting this thread!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 November 2019 20:02 (eight months ago) link

Camelot in smithereens! *drip drip drip* I'll drink to that.

temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 22 November 2019 20:04 (eight months ago) link

We've all become Hamlets in our country, children of a slain father-leader...whose killers still possess the throne.

omar little, Friday, 22 November 2019 21:00 (eight months ago) link

Today 's a Friday too. We can relive it in real time.

pplains, Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:27 (eight months ago) link

whaddya mean you're gonna put it in a book

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:30 (eight months ago) link

and all of this came under the control of General Y!

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:33 (eight months ago) link

Dulles, by the way, was General Y's benefactor...

omar little, Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:36 (eight months ago) link

Very, very few people know about this, ok

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:40 (eight months ago) link

November 22, a day that shall live in rapidly fading infamy.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:42 (eight months ago) link

X would do just tweet it today and everyone would ignore it after a week


Thread: Everything I'll say is classified top secret.
I was a soldier. Two wars. A secret Pentagon guy, supplying the hardware: Planes, bullets, rifles for what we call "Black Operations. " Black Ops. Assassinations. Coups d'etat, rigging elections, propaganda, psych warfare.

omar little, Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:46 (eight months ago) link

And I knew Allen Dulles very well. I briefed him many a time in his house. He was also General Y's benefactor. But for the life of me I still can't figure out why Dulles was appointed to investigate Kennedy's death. The man who had fired him.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 November 2019 01:49 (eight months ago) link

just visited my folks in dallas and yesterday we went to the book depository museum and argued about the whole thing and before i knew it i was cribbing from this movie: “it was a turkey shoot” “they heard ECHOES!” “you would’ve felt an army presence on the streets that day!!” and finally “i won't have any more ultimatums put to me, mother”

orifex, Monday, 25 November 2019 23:23 (eight months ago) link

Must've been a helluva weekend to visit the Sixth Floor.

pplains, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:31 (eight months ago) link

Some cranberry sauce and stuffing spilling out and a torn-up turkey....perfect time for a jfk conversation.

omar little, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:35 (eight months ago) link

you know i don't like these tribal rituals

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 03:17 (eight months ago) link

having finished the Summers book awhile back, what i appreciated about it was how he simply lays out all the information he believes to be truthful or believable, and doesn't really buy into any one theory specifically. he leans hard on the mob/disgruntled Cuban exiles aspect, hinting at both possibilities linked to those groups: that Oswald was directly involved, or wound up trapped in a vise by others.

omar little, Thursday, 28 November 2019 00:33 (eight months ago) link

I love how much Scorsese is just straight up trollling in this scene. https://t.co/TApD2d822C

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) November 27, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 November 2019 00:37 (eight months ago) link


TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 November 2019 04:00 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

- testify

- me

- testify

- lol no chance in hell

orifex, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 08:01 (six months ago) link

If they can kill the president of the United States, do you think they're gonna think twice about a two-bit showgirl like me?

I Heard You Ain't HOOS's (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:42 (six months ago) link

I just rewatched last weekend. Everything everyone said is correct.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:44 (six months ago) link

fuck yeah!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:55 (six months ago) link

Ain't got no reason to LAH to ya, I'm already IN jail!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:55 (six months ago) link

Pretty flowery for Dave Ferrie.

I Heard You Ain't HOOS's (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:12 (six months ago) link

We're way overdue another crack at hitting this level of dreamy mania with a similarly stacked cast. My body is ready for QAnon.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:20 (six months ago) link

i dreamt last night that the cause of jfk's assassination was bob-a-job week

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, October 15, 2003 5:52 PM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still the only good theory imo

― mark s, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:02 (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

don't make me tap the sign

mark s, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:23 (six months ago) link

Maybe Shaw is an agent. I don't know. But as a covert operator, he is wide open for blackmail because of his ho-mo-sex-u-ality.

omar little, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:33 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

been playing a lot of quarantine playstation and the other day both my controllers died and i was genuinely upset and whispered: "both of them, both brothers?"

orifex, Friday, 3 April 2020 15:28 (four months ago) link


brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Friday, 3 April 2020 15:30 (four months ago) link


☮️ (peace, man), Friday, 3 April 2020 15:58 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...


you heard ECHOES

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 April 2020 19:56 (three months ago) link

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