Is painfully innaccurate bullshit hollywood cameo crazy stereotypical racist messianic horseshit ok as long as it's VIBRANT, intense horseshit? As long as John Candy plays a sweaty jive-talker who thinks that Costner is as crazy as his mamma, goes to show its in the genes?
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:10 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:20 (twenty years ago) link
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― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link
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― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:33 (twenty years ago) link
And the Rooker! How can you forget Michael Rooker?
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I seriously need to stop raving about all this before I stain my pants.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:45 (twenty years ago) link
Never stopped Stone!
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:16 (twenty years ago) link
And Stone was up front (eventually, maybe? I don't remember if he said this all along) about the history being fucked; "it's a myth, yeah, but it's a myth to counter the equally-false one we've been handed by the gov't," sentiments to that effect. Hell, I'd like to see more intentionally-fucked history in movies, without it being played for laughs; there could be a lot of material there.
As for the ensemble cast thing: anything else about the movie aside, has the "huge cast of famous people" thing been done better than in this? Altman's good with that, but I don't know if he ever did it quite this well, especially if you don't count Short Cuts.
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:38 (twenty years ago) link
(Okay, I forgot about that one. I'd have to see it again, though.)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:05 (twenty years ago) link
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― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
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― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link
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― theodore fogelsanger, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
sadly this important historical revelation is nowhere reflected in stone's film
"the parallax effect" and "three days of the condor" are two pretty good 70s 12-ft-lizard movies abt assassination politics
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
JFK is *made* by that mr. x/sutherland sequence,but yep those techniques of multi-film stock/editing craziness etc seemed brilliant/insane/eye-popping in '92. nobody else had done anything like that. in fact 'nbk' was just re-hashing most of them shot for shot andno-one noticed as they hadn't seen jfk in the 1st place. it was a seriously under-watched film at the time, but at 2 hrs 20 minuteseven in it's original non-director's cut that isn't surprising.
stone never ever ever said anything about it being the whole truth.it was well known that x was based on prouty, although obviously the waters are yet more muddied around the conspiracy by the fact that he goes too far the other way in trying to convince us of his version, but hey it asked a lot of questions, and it made people ask more questions etc etc. empire magazine gave it some kind of weird 'inspiration' award about 5 years ago for some reason and stone showed up, gave a speech looking genuinely touched, moved etc.
there was an *astonishing* episode of DISPATCHES (channel 4, uk)which i had seen early 90's ('91 ?) not long before seeing the movie,and that was all facts no theory, it definitely helped to see something like that beforehand.
sutherland's fave bit of all his 80's/90's work he says. 3 months prep for 1 days' acting by all accnts. one day !
" does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you mr garrison ? ...not for one moment"
― piscesboy, Thursday, 16 October 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link
Of course, Alexander will be when he stops blaming the gays and ethnics for everything that's wrong with the world. Naturally. I should really see Salvador. It's got James Woods and it's not a revisionist take on American history. Whew.
Yes, Sutherland was great. Though I really wish they'd given John Candy more scenes.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
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― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 October 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link
That documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and the follow up are also worth watching if you are interested in the Kennedy assassination. I think Stone nicked more from it than he would want to admit.
― earlnash, Friday, 17 October 2003 00:35 (twenty years ago) link
still a really good movie!
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link
That's what I always say, too.
― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:06 (twenty years ago) link
This pitch is copyright, btw.
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
(I must have time on my hands)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link
(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)
(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Knoll Edmonds (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah
the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)
hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards
plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link
Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.
The motorcade sped on...
― Steinski (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Or just read Posner's book.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 18 October 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (twenty years ago) link
i been working with mice, yknow, trying to come up with a cure
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:51 (eleven months ago) link
Man, Pesci had the run for a moment there.
https://i.imgur.com/jOyaV7s.png
― pplains, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:54 (eleven months ago) link
Wise buncha birds!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 bookmarkflaglink
Completely irresponsible waxwing birds 🐦🐦🐦 tend to eat fermented fruit and then lie drunk on the sidewalks.Wise passers-by collect them and put them in a safe place until they sober up. pic.twitter.com/jff6nuv2nw— State of Poland 🇵🇱 (@StateOfPoland) January 9, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 22:48 (eleven months ago) link
Yikes
https://variety.com/2023/film/global/jfk-assassination-viggo-mortensen-shia-labeouf-david-mamet-1235612087/
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 00:19 (six months ago) link
What am I reading.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 04:06 (six months ago) link
deranged movie. makes a good counterpart piece to oppenheimer
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Monday, 24 July 2023 12:38 (four months ago) link
Please don't make me watch it
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 July 2023 13:06 (four months ago) link
Just a quiet chat between gentlemen.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 July 2023 13:42 (four months ago) link
The most audacious film to be produced by a Hollywood studio in the last 50 years. Robertson’s cinematography is astounding, as is the editing.
Producer/financier/former Israeli weapons smuggler Arnon Milchan is currently knee-deep in Netanyahu’s corruption trial. I remember once boarding an airplane, probably not too long after this film came out, and noticed a man in the first row who was flanked by two Dobermans he had purchased the adjoining seats for. My father leaned over and told me it was Milchan
― beamish13, Monday, 24 July 2023 14:44 (four months ago) link
We're going back into the case. The murder of the President.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jfk-assassination-witness-breaks-silence-142858952.html
The Warren Commission decided that one of the bullets fired that day struck the president from behind, exited from the front of his throat and continued on to hit Connally, somehow managing to injure his back, chest, wrist and thigh. It seemed incredible that a single bullet could do all that, so skeptics called it the magic bullet theory.Investigators came to that conclusion partly because the bullet was found on a stretcher believed to have held Connally at Parkland Memorial Hospital, so they assumed it had exited his body during efforts to save his life. But Landis, who was never interviewed by the Warren Commission, said that is not what happened.In fact, he said, he was the one who found the bullet — and he found it not in the hospital near Connally but in the presidential limousine lodged in the back of the seat behind where Kennedy was sitting.When he spotted the bullet after the motorcade arrived at the hospital, he said he grabbed it to thwart souvenir hunters. Then, for reasons that still seem fuzzy even to him, he said he entered the hospital and placed it next to Kennedy on the president’s stretcher, assuming it could somehow help doctors figure out what happened. At some point, he now guesses, the stretchers must have been pushed together, and the bullet was shaken from one to another.“There was nobody there to secure the scene, and that was a big, big bother to me,” Landis said. “All the agents that were there were focused on the president.” A crowd was gathering. “This was all going on so quickly. And I was just afraid that — it was a piece of evidence, that I realized right away. Very important. And I didn’t want it to disappear or get lost. So it was, ‘Paul, you’ve got to make a decision,’ and I grabbed it.’”Landis theorizes that the bullet struck Kennedy in the back but for some reason was undercharged and did not penetrate deeply, therefore popping back out before the president’s body was removed from the limousine.
Investigators came to that conclusion partly because the bullet was found on a stretcher believed to have held Connally at Parkland Memorial Hospital, so they assumed it had exited his body during efforts to save his life. But Landis, who was never interviewed by the Warren Commission, said that is not what happened.
In fact, he said, he was the one who found the bullet — and he found it not in the hospital near Connally but in the presidential limousine lodged in the back of the seat behind where Kennedy was sitting.
When he spotted the bullet after the motorcade arrived at the hospital, he said he grabbed it to thwart souvenir hunters. Then, for reasons that still seem fuzzy even to him, he said he entered the hospital and placed it next to Kennedy on the president’s stretcher, assuming it could somehow help doctors figure out what happened. At some point, he now guesses, the stretchers must have been pushed together, and the bullet was shaken from one to another.
“There was nobody there to secure the scene, and that was a big, big bother to me,” Landis said. “All the agents that were there were focused on the president.” A crowd was gathering. “This was all going on so quickly. And I was just afraid that — it was a piece of evidence, that I realized right away. Very important. And I didn’t want it to disappear or get lost. So it was, ‘Paul, you’ve got to make a decision,’ and I grabbed it.’”
Landis theorizes that the bullet struck Kennedy in the back but for some reason was undercharged and did not penetrate deeply, therefore popping back out before the president’s body was removed from the limousine.
― omar little, Monday, 11 September 2023 00:08 (three months ago) link
~deep exhale, pinches bridge of nose~see that’s the thing with this whole bag of cats now: the explanations are always somehow even dumber than the crackpot theories
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 September 2023 00:24 (three months ago) link
Stop eatin' that crab meat, VegGrrl, and listen!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 September 2023 00:24 (three months ago) link
"it's my belief that the bullet was already embedded in the backseat of the car when Kennedy got in, and when he sat back it was pushed into him. i heard him say ow, what's that?"
― omar little, Monday, 11 September 2023 00:25 (three months ago) link
dammit liz i've been sleepin for three sixty years!
― omar little, Monday, 11 September 2023 00:35 (three months ago) link
lmao
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 September 2023 00:38 (three months ago) link
I'm in my 40's, so I'll have shuffled off this mortal coil by then. But I'm telling my eight-year-old son to keep himself physically fit, so that one glorious September morning, in 2023...
― omar little, Monday, 11 September 2023 00:40 (three months ago) link
never in the history of warfare has there been a bullet this ridiculous!
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 11 September 2023 00:44 (three months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YOiaBq3KI
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 11 September 2023 01:52 (three months ago) link
(2m 37s in that clip)
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 11 September 2023 01:53 (three months ago) link
Coming soon to 4K UHD from Shout Select JFK (1991) 4K UHD #4KUltraHD #4K #Bluray #PhysicalMedia #Movie #Movies #Film #Cinema #FilmTwitter #JFK #KevinCostner pic.twitter.com/TuWhdNh4i4— Dawn of The Discs (@dawnofthediscs) October 2, 2023
― peanut filibuster parfait (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2023 18:11 (two months ago) link
According to the site:RUN-TIME205 / 188 minSo here’s hoping we are getting the theatrical version in 4K
― peanut filibuster parfait (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2023 18:14 (two months ago) link
Camelot in smithereens!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2023 19:27 (two months ago) link
I don't think John Williams is given enough credit for this film's score. It's traditional American epic by way of Morricone's score for The Thing. It really gives a sinister, eerie undercurrent to so many of the scenes. It's off-kilter, and elsewhere when he engages in some patriotic marching band motifs, it morphs into a horror score (like the opening assassination scene.)
― omar little, Sunday, 29 October 2023 16:56 (one month ago) link
Fuck yeah!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 October 2023 17:15 (one month ago) link
i missed the 4K announcement somehow. Lord, wake me. I must be dreaming.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 16:39 (one month ago) link
Unfortunately, that set's theatrical release is only BR, not 4K, but honestly, that's still better than I'd hoped for given Stone's preference for the idiotic director's cut.
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 17:31 (one month ago) link
I haven't seen this film since it came out. I've gone down the Dave Emory rabbit hole, I feel like I should rewatch this and also watch JFK Revisited.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 7 November 2023 17:38 (one month ago) link
the director's cut really is pointless, all of the additional conspiracy backstory stuff feels so blatantly extraneous, and i actually think unlike a lot of DCs where there's gold mixed in with runtime padding, there's absolutely zero added value to the film from any of it.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 21:44 (one month ago) link
I dunno.
We got back from touring a distillery this afternoon and I was in the office restroom, standing in the common space buckling my belt, stifling the urge to go, "Mr. Garrison! Mr. Garrison! I have something for you!"
― pplains, Thursday, 9 November 2023 03:26 (one month ago) link
Like the directors cut, your encounter could’ve been a half hour shorter
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 November 2023 03:33 (one month ago) link
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/friend-secret-cia-agent-think-190000508.html
this theory is LIT
― omar little, Monday, 20 November 2023 16:51 (three weeks ago) link
^^ the woman who's the subject of that book would be fascinating regardless of any connections to the JFK assassination, but her admission that she was in Dallas that day and flew out immediately after the assassination is hugely implicating!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 20 November 2023 18:54 (three weeks ago) link
holy shit! yeah i love this one jerrie cobb is legit incredible even without this, can confirm(also any fans of For All Mankind tv show she was the basis for Molly Cobb’s character)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 November 2023 19:01 (three weeks ago) link
babushka lady all set to fly oswald INTO SPACE
^^my take
― mark s, Monday, 20 November 2023 19:38 (three weeks ago) link
The Texas theater (theater they arrested Oswald) has an absolutely amazing itinerary for JFK assassination 60th anniversary. pic.twitter.com/LDmCwV2sCj— pugmane 🦃 🐾 🐛 🥫 (@pugmane) November 19, 2023
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 November 2023 19:52 (three weeks ago) link
I think the only way to read the warren report is a hallucinatory late-night session
Her book even builds a convincing case for Jerrie being a CIA agent with the cryptonym QJWIN, whose role was to recruit killers for an assassination squad that originally targeted Congolese prime minister Patrice Lumumba.She is anxious to point out, though, that hers is not a “case closed” type of book, saying: “Books that claim to have those answers are probably not as credible as books that present the evidence and let people decide.”
She is anxious to point out, though, that hers is not a “case closed” type of book, saying: “Books that claim to have those answers are probably not as credible as books that present the evidence and let people decide.”
I have decided this is insane, but amazing.
― omar little, Monday, 20 November 2023 20:09 (three weeks ago) link
Babushka Lady sort of fucked up really, getting caught on camera dressed up all like a CIA op in a tan trench coat, calmly stood on the grassy knoll - while all other bystanders had hit the deck!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:24 (three weeks ago) link
I was thinking about all this shit yesterday as I finally finished off The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:28 (three weeks ago) link
one of the best books table has recommended
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:58 (three weeks ago) link
I hope you like squab!
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 01:29 (two weeks ago) link
How was your mousse?
― omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 02:49 (two weeks ago) link
“Frankie!”
― active spectator of ecocide and dispossession (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 November 2023 04:05 (two weeks ago) link
don’t you— don’t you think THIS has something to do with THAT?
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 07:57 (two weeks ago) link
i promise [grits teeth] i'll make more time for jasper
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:45 (two weeks ago) link
My life is fucked, Liz! And yours is, too!
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:51 (two weeks ago) link
in fact, i admired president kennedy. a man of true panache. wife with impeccable taste. [brief cut to liz at ruined brunch]
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:56 (two weeks ago) link
Christopher Wallace 🐊@Wallace_Chris12DeSantis is our generations JFKHe’s
- A family man- Faithful to his wife - Young gun who brings energy to the party
I see no reason why we shouldn’t nominate DeSantis
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Currently rated helpful7h·View detailsShown on XDirectly addresses the post’s claim · Provides important contextJFK was not faithful to his wife
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 November 2023 11:30 (two weeks ago) link
Ask not if my party can bring the young gun with the energy...
― pplains, Thursday, 23 November 2023 16:11 (two weeks ago) link
The only reason to get him on Elm is you got him in a triangulated crossfire. You put a team there down at the fence. Frontal shot. Flat, low trajectory. Put a third team down in this building on a low floor. When Kennedy gets in the kill zone, it's a turkey shoot.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:18 (two weeks ago) link
That's a Texas Live Oak, boss. It sheds its leaves the first week of March.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:32 (two weeks ago) link