A Thread about the film JFK

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Joe Pesci in a horrible wig screaming that it's a riddle wrapped inside a mystery wrapped inside an enigma then noting that all he ever wanted to be was a Catholic priest. Kevin Bacon as a gay prostitute who declares that "fascism is coming back!" Is that a brillo pad on Tommy Lee Jones's head? Donald Sutherland imitating the micromachine man from galoob. Kevin Costner announcing that he's ashamed to be an american. Kevin talking to a black woman for two seconds to reaffirm his character is a good man (classy, Stone!). Sissy Spacek is mad at him for ignoring the children until he announces that Bobby's been shot, which inspires sex and devotion in her. The man at the firing range wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald, it was FRANK WHALEY!!! Ed Asner beats the shit out of Jack Lemmon. Operation Mongoose is led by the cuban-gay mafia, with help from U.S. Generals. Back and to the left...back and to the left. DO NOT FORGET YOUR DYING KING. WHAT IS PAST IS PROLOGUE.

Is painfully innaccurate bullshit hollywood cameo crazy stereotypical racist messianic horseshit ok as long as it's VIBRANT, intense horseshit? As long as John Candy plays a sweaty jive-talker who thinks that Costner is as crazy as his mamma, goes to show its in the genes?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, it is! I love this movie! Donald Sutherland's scene is so amazing (though I wish they did it without cutaways)... who else could carry a 25-minute monologue? (All about that voice.) It's a great thriller.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

great movie. and indeed sutherland is majestic in that monologue

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

It could all be made-up shroom-hallucination-derived nonsense for all I care.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I will admit I loved the film in middle school. I find it really hard to get over the manipulativeness of it (I know manipulation isn't bad per se, I AM a DePalma fan, but Stone's use of it to fuck with history bothers me BIG TIME). That said when me and a friend rented Ruby we were so bored that we put in JFK after about ten minutes. If I'm gonna watch some red-head psychotic plan the death of the greatest president Oliver Stone ever knew, I'm gonna watch Joe Pesci play him, goddamnit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

And Brian Doyle-Murray as Jack Ruby!!!! Way better than Danny Aiello.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually first saw this movie earlier this year! Weirdly enough.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

crazy! and you call yourself a Stone apologist! I saw it in the theaters and me and my friend were bursting with liberal conspiracy theory fervor afterwards. Though even then I was annoyed by Stone's cliched wife-doesn't-understand-I'm-saving-the-world bullshit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The funny thing is a couple nights later I was a little st*ned and I was talking to a friend of mine a mile-a-minute and I got on the JFK thing and I had to stop myself because I was acting like such a cliche. I still can't believe I actually did that.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again (only to get yelled at for it): I love the editing. I don't mean the fast cuts so much as the sheer crazy techniques within that speed that he really didn't start off on until JFK and The Doors. And jeah, fuck the inaccuracies - it's a great MOVIE, and if you just go into it knowing that it's horrible history but wonderful cinema - what a rush! Also one of the few films, as mentioned above, that makes a good argument for a big and extremely famous ensemble cast (with a large proportion of them playing against type, no less).

And the Rooker! How can you forget Michael Rooker?

...

I seriously need to stop raving about all this before I stain my pants.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I seriously need to stop raving about all this before I stain my pants.

Never stopped Stone!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i once had a strange theory that JFK was Stone's Hamlet and that Nixon was Macbeth - i think i got it from an interview or something

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I could make a post here that was just "slutsky's OTM about X, Girolamo's OTM about Y..." Sutherland makes the movie, for one thing. It's sort of borderline for me; there are a lot of scenes that don't hold up as well to multiple viewings as other parts, so it's not something I'll watch the entirety of when it's on HBO or whatever. But the good parts are a lot of fun.

And Stone was up front (eventually, maybe? I don't remember if he said this all along) about the history being fucked; "it's a myth, yeah, but it's a myth to counter the equally-false one we've been handed by the gov't," sentiments to that effect. Hell, I'd like to see more intentionally-fucked history in movies, without it being played for laughs; there could be a lot of material there.

As for the ensemble cast thing: anything else about the movie aside, has the "huge cast of famous people" thing been done better than in this? Altman's good with that, but I don't know if he ever did it quite this well, especially if you don't count Short Cuts.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left..."

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearly Stone needs to remake It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World!

(Okay, I forgot about that one. I'd have to see it again, though.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

JFK is wonderfully messed up as a movie, but isn't all that great as a JFK assassination movie. I seem to recall that one of Apocalypse Culture volumes had a list of the subliminal scenes in the movie.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

What's great as a JFK assassination movie? Winter Kills?

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Norma Jean and Marilyn

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Here it is: subliminal scenes in Oliver Stone's JFK

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The best JFK assassination movie: Executive Action

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, Radio would be great as a JFK assassination movie. As would be Finding Nemo.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:08 (nineteen years ago) link

ET, have you seen Winter Kills?

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought you had linked to Executive Decision for a second there.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Also check out Interview With The Assassin

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

As history JFK is questionable to say the least, though supposedly so is the Warren Report. As viseral cinema it is phenomenal in its energy and detail, examples that previous posts by Slutsky and Girolama point out. The Lee Harvey Oswald bio montage, opening Bay of Pigs newsreel overture, and the aforementioned Sutherland monologue are key examples of why Stone was nearly unmatched as a filmmaker in 1990s Hollywood.
Executive Action has the hilarious closing V.O., which is stangely eerie, about how one witness to the assasination was killed by a "karate chop to the neck".
The more intellectually thoughtful artistic works to be inspired by the Kennedy assasination include Don Delillo's fictionalized Oswald bio "Libra", which theorizes a series of events that are scarily realistic with respect to human nature. And Bruce Conner's short film REPORT uses footage taped off of television to give a powerfully expressive montage account of what (I imagine) it was like to experience the event as a television viewer. Conner uses repetition brilliantly in the piece.

theodore fogelsanger, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i dreamt last night that the cause of jfk's assassination was bob-a-job week

sadly this important historical revelation is nowhere reflected in stone's film

"the parallax effect" and "three days of the condor" are two pretty good 70s 12-ft-lizard movies abt assassination politics

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

'parallax view' you mean i think . terrified me aged about 13 that.

JFK is *made* by that mr. x/sutherland sequence,but yep those techniques of multi-film stock/editing craziness etc seemed brilliant/insane/eye-popping in '92. nobody else had done anything like that.
in fact 'nbk' was just re-hashing most of them shot for shot and
no-one noticed as they hadn't seen jfk in the 1st place. it was a seriously under-watched film at the time, but at 2 hrs 20 minutes
even in it's original non-director's cut that isn't surprising.

stone never ever ever said anything about it being the whole truth.
it was well known that x was based on prouty, although
obviously the waters are yet more muddied around the conspiracy by the fact that he goes too far the other way in trying to convince us of his version, but hey it asked a lot of questions, and it made people ask more questions etc etc.
empire magazine gave it some kind of weird 'inspiration' award about 5 years ago for some reason and stone showed up, gave a speech looking genuinely touched, moved etc.

there was an *astonishing* episode of DISPATCHES (channel 4, uk)
which i had seen early 90's ('91 ?) not long before seeing the movie,
and that was all facts no theory, it definitely helped to see something like that beforehand.

sutherland's fave bit of all his 80's/90's work he says.
3 months prep for 1 days' acting by all accnts. one day !

" does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you mr garrison ? ...not for one moment"

piscesboy, Thursday, 16 October 2003 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

man, donald sutherland's voice is one of the greatest things about the 20th century

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

canadians already rule the world = the REAL conspiracy here!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I should note that when I talk about manipulative and misleading bullshit I'm not just talking about the JFK conspiracy stuff. I'm also talking about stuff like the closing summation from Costner that didn't exist in real life cuz Garrison's assistant actually gave the closing speech. I'm more complaining about the way Hollywood (and Stone is DEFINITELY Hollywood, sorry) always bleaches movies based on real life. A Beautiful Mind being a classic example. It always seems to me that the real story is more interesting, cuz, well THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life. Stone's "alternative myth" is such a case of two wrongs not making a right, though I'm even more grossed out by Nixon, where his visual style became much more random and simplistic.

Of course, Alexander will be when he stops blaming the gays and ethnics for everything that's wrong with the world. Naturally. I should really see Salvador. It's got James Woods and it's not a revisionist take on American history. Whew.

Yes, Sutherland was great. Though I really wish they'd given John Candy more scenes.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

That's kind of the problem with all movies ever.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Except for "Who's Harry Crumb?"

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 October 2003 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

They better not touch that scene where he's lying flat against that big skylight.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 16 October 2003 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope someone actually get the cash to make James Ellroy's books "American Tabloid" and "The Cold Six Thousand" into a miniseries. Those two books are much, much further over the top, ugly and entertaining than either "JFK" or "Libra".

That documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and the follow up are also worth watching if you are interested in the Kennedy assassination. I think Stone nicked more from it than he would want to admit.


earlnash, Friday, 17 October 2003 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

JFK is really massively entertaining and beautifully put together, but of course total bullshit. I saw it around the same time I read a handful of conspiracy books by the likes of Jim Marrs, Gerald Posner, and some others. Posner's was the most convincing, and he thinks Oswald did it. And if you've ever met some of these astonishingly influential conspiracy theorists (I worked on a bad cable TV show that had a couple of them on...Marrs and the guy who wrote Best Evidence), you can see how loony they are. Marrs also believes that UFOs attacked Los Angeles in the '40s. Logic just doesn't prevail in the case of JFK....

still a really good movie!

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It always seems to me that the real story is more interesting, cuz, well THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life.

That's what I always say, too.

oops (Oops), Friday, 17 October 2003 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

We need more films this insane!! Stoney shd do the Florida election in the same style. Gay Cubans agogo, neo-con cabals in smoky rooms, lurking Ay-rab terrorists... k-classic.

This pitch is copyright, btw.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Too bad you can't copyright ideas... ;)

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

You sure about that? It's written, anyway.

(I must have time on my hands)

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

if only stone had based jfk on this theory

(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)

(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF? Witnesses? I like ballistics, they are fun. But -- well, are there not easier ways of finding out here? Man stands up with sub-machine gun? In plain sight? And says 'I wan you to meet my liddle fren'

Knoll Edmonds (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

the description of hickey's movements on the web-page is inaccurate: the book suggests he fell BACKWARDS when the cars speeded up, and so wd not particularly have LOOKED as if he was firing a (single acc.theory) shot, just as if he was falling over backwards

it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah

the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)

hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards

plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it

mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

More details - just arrived.

Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.

The motorcade sped on...

Steinski (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i tried to find one of the pix in question but found myself on a page where some loony was claiming, based on a photo blown up so large you couldn't make out ANYTHING AT ALL, that one of kennedy's SS-men is "grinning in an evil way" hence etc etc

i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds

mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

If you've ever been to the School Book Depository and gotten a look from up there, you'd have no doubt that it's an easy shot, for the most part. As for the whole "he didn't have enough time" thing, they don't take into account that the first shot fired was a complete miss. One in the trees, one in Kennedy and Connolly, one in Kennedy's head.

Or just read Posner's book.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

People believe this conspiracy shit now for the same reasons they think Saddam partially orchestrated 9/11: they don't know jack about the case, the circumstances, the evidence, and how illogical it is that a shooting like that would be carried out with the shooters (who allegedly weren't of the Sirhan Sirhan "I just don't give a fuck" school of thinking, but wanted to get away) mere feet away from dozens of people, cameras everywhere, etc.

Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 18 October 2003 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

if stone had based the movie on the slapstick theory then it would have been nowhere near as exciting of course.

I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

no but it wd be funny, which is better than exciting

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

what about something that's funny and exciting? like your beloved spaceballs!

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i do remember exactly where i was when i heard the news of rfk's assassination: i was at the kitchen table in a little welsh farmhouse where we went every year for our summer holiday, listening to dad's little portable radio… tho all i remember is sounds of muffled shouting and chaos, like the bbc radio new was broadcasting live from the scene

i also remember that this occurred during the broadcast on the same radio -- which i listened to at the same kitchen table -- of the moon landing: as my memory has it, it went "giant step for mankind", muffled shouting, shots, chaos…

stone shd make a movie abt THAT when sirhan sirhan gets out, sirhan can play buzz aldrin

mark s, Saturday, 14 May 2022 13:54 (six months ago) link

tommy lee jones shd wear this wig in all his movies tbf

mark s, Saturday, 14 May 2022 13:57 (six months ago) link

^ that's right (for a change)

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:31 (six months ago) link

feel like this summing up (which doesn't once mention clay shaw) is not going to do the work of convicting clay shaw

mark s, Saturday, 14 May 2022 15:03 (six months ago) link

not guilty (good verdict)

mark s, Saturday, 14 May 2022 15:11 (six months ago) link

Can we please go back to posting random bits of dialogue now that Mark S is done watching?

Best movie ever.

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:49 (six months ago) link

Can we do them from memory, though?

Kevin Costner: what I’m saying is that in order for the government’s theory about the assassination of JFK, née John Fitzgerald Kennedy, our nation’s favorite son, to make sense, we must prescribe to what i am calling Magic Bullet Time theory, which is actually quite interesting if true. Roll the footage

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:53 (six months ago) link

The government's gonna jump all over your head, mark, and go "cock-a-doodle-doo!" Good day, sir!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:53 (six months ago) link

Costner: I don’t like the looks of this one bit. Let’s put some grits on the iron and keep the coffee coming honey, there’s gonna be some paperwork filed tonight

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:55 (six months ago) link

xp That's what I mean.

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:56 (six months ago) link

That is precisely the point of a loooong JFK thread.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:58 (six months ago) link

this Oswald character, I agree that he must have been involved. But here's the thing -- I don't think he acted alone.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 18:32 (six months ago) link

It's JFK's fault.

i wrote about a specific style of fandom-led conspiracy thinking that has become quietly quite popular over the last 10 years and is now making its highly public debut! https://t.co/hpZpqmGR6J

— Kaitlyn Tiffany (@kait_tiffany) May 17, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:16 (six months ago) link

xyzzzz ain't got no reason to lie, he already in ILX!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:24 (six months ago) link

When you’re taking about the greatness of John Candy, never sleep on his role in JFK: “The government’s gonna jump all over your head, Jimbo, and go cock-a-doodle-doo.” pic.twitter.com/3XgLh6Mrzr

— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) May 18, 2022

"Ya got the right ta-ta but the wrong ho-ho" may be the greatest line in movie history.

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 May 2022 10:06 (six months ago) link

stop eatin' that crab meat and listen!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 May 2022 10:08 (six months ago) link

like i told the fbi: that call was a figment of my imagination!

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 May 2022 15:43 (six months ago) link

All I wanted to be was a Catholic priest

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 21 May 2022 09:39 (six months ago) link

If it's a suicide, I seen weirder, Jim.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 May 2022 09:41 (six months ago) link

The president has been shot! He has been taken to a hospital but he is going to make it. Johnson will carry out the responsibilities of president until Jack is able to recover. We really dodged a bullet there, boys

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:54 (six months ago) link

Why don't we drop this subject. It's one thing to engage in badinage with all these youngsters, but this sort of thing could be So. Easily. Misunderstood.

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 21 May 2022 16:41 (six months ago) link

More champagne!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 May 2022 16:53 (six months ago) link

Here's to the New Frontier. Camelot in smithereens. I'll drink to that.

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 21 May 2022 17:01 (six months ago) link

I've seen enough in this place to write a book.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 May 2022 17:07 (six months ago) link

A week after the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy in November 1963, Kennedy's widow, Jackie Kennedy, was interviewed by Theodore H. White, an interview that ran in the December 1963 issue of Life magazine. In the interview, Jackie stated that the show's original cast recording had been a favorite bedtime listening for her husband (who had been Lerner's classmate at Harvard University),[16] and that his favorite lines were in the final number: "Don't let it be forgot/ That once there was a spot/ For one brief, shining moment/ That was known as Camelot".[17] She also made a direct comparison to the Camelot storyline, saying, "There'll be great presidents again... but there'll never be another Camelot." The veracity of her claim about her husband's love of Camelot has been disputed.[18]

>:(

mark s, Saturday, 21 May 2022 17:09 (six months ago) link

I always lock my files!

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Monday, 23 May 2022 14:33 (six months ago) link

Don't fuck this one up!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 May 2022 14:48 (six months ago) link

There's a lot of smoke there, but there's some fire.

peace, man, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 11:32 (six months ago) link

this murder of JFK...you better believe it's gonna make the papers tomorrow morning, boys

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:45 (six months ago) link

Grace, put another kettle on the oven. I think me and the boys have some more work to do tonight at this kitchen table

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:46 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Suddenly got curious about what movie Lee Harvey Oswald was watching when he was arrested. Turns out to be WAR IS HELL (1961) which is now, incredibly, a lost film. This conspiracy goes all the way to the top!

— Shadowplay (@dcairns) June 10, 2022

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 13 June 2022 10:01 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

Look at how close they got to De Gaulle.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:18 (two weeks ago) link

to xyzzz's point:

I'm watching JFK again months after I revisited ORDINARY PEOPLE & KLUTE & my goodness, we really don't talk about Donald Sutherland remotely enough, do we?

What he can do in a scene - even just a key line read like "what did *we* think?" in ORDINARY PEOPLE - wow. pic.twitter.com/Z9qNqbBeT7

— Jen Johans (@FilmIntuition) November 21, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:23 (two weeks ago) link

Forget supporting actor. Sutherland deserved to win fucking best picture in 1991

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:27 (two weeks ago) link

With Edward G. Robinson he's the best actor never to earn an Oscar nomination.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:30 (two weeks ago) link

Surprising...Should have been up for Invasion of the Body Snatchers, though they'd never give an acting nomination to a film like that.

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

Robert De Niro – Raging Bull as Jake LaMottadouble-dagger
Robert Duvall – The Great Santini as Lt. Col. Wilbur "Bull" Meechum
John Hurt – The Elephant Man as Joseph Merrick
Jack Lemmon – Tribute as Scottie Templeton
Peter O'Toole – The Stunt Man as Eli Cross

Should've slipped into this lineup as well. Preferably over De Niro.

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:48 (two weeks ago) link

Preferably over De Niro and Lemmon. Nominate him twice.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 16:53 (two weeks ago) link

no word yet, but they say it’s in the head.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 01:49 (two weeks ago) link

we got out near the geese, and only then did we realize we had forgotten our shotguns! stupid right? so, uh, of course, we didn’t get any geese.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 02:05 (two weeks ago) link

what is the matter with this family hahaha???

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 02:45 (two weeks ago) link

Didn't Hoover say something about leaves falling in November?

omar little, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 03:00 (two weeks ago) link

as a former fbi man, it’s— it’s difficult to accept this.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 03:01 (two weeks ago) link

what is the matter with this family hahaha???

― difficult listening hour,

one of Oswald's charmingest moments

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 03:05 (two weeks ago) link

Vietnam started for real and there was an air of, I dunno, make believe.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 03:30 (two weeks ago) link

Dulles, by the way, was General Y's benefactor.

I got out in '64. Resigned my commission.

omar little, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 05:14 (two weeks ago) link

Dey should give'em a a medal for killin' Kennedy!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

Gary Oldman no longer believes Stone’s conspiracy theories but he did at the time of the movie. So did I but I was 17 to be fair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP50JfsJ9zU

piscesx, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

Ah always lock mah files!

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:16 (two weeks ago) link


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