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anyone wanna give me a 101 ?

anthony, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

let your conscience be your guide.

jess, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, what do you want to know? It's not the simplest of games.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What's a 101? I got an e-mail the other day about playing cricket next season. It's nearly October for chrissakes. It's like Christmas cards going on sale in August.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A beginners tutorial , I know it is a complex game but it looks like it may be fun to watch .

anthony, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Googly or Flipper? Short leg or silly point? Swing or seam? Third Man or fly-slip?(Sounds like your scene, Anthony)

Yep, it's complicated.

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

One team bats and one bowls. Each team does each discipline twice during the course of a match and a game can last 5 days without a winner being decided.(is that a bit simplistic?Sorry if so) It's fantastic to watch, so many nuances, especially when the spinners come on in the mid-afternoon.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Each team has 11 players, usually consisting of 4-5 bowlers, 5-6 batsman and a witcketkeeper. In a test match each team has two innings (i.e two turns to bat)...At any one time the batting team will have two batsmen at the crease (the browny/yellow strip), the aim is for the bowling team to get out ten batsmen, there will always be one player not out at the end of the inning (unless it is declared)...A player can be out bowled (the ball hits the wicket behind the batsman), lbw where the umpire makes the decision that the bowl pitched in line with the stumps and was going to hit and the batsman was not offering a shot, caught most likely behind the bat by slips or wicketkeeper, and run out where the batsmen are running between the wicket but one does not get back in time and the ball is thrown at the wicket. There are other ways to be out such as handled the ball or hit wicket but these are rare.

There are six balls bowled each over, and there are a variety of different bowling styles such as fast bowling (80-90 mph) and spin bowlin (40-50 mph)...the bowlers aim is both to restrict runs and get wickets. The intracacies of bowling are hard to explain. Runs are scored by running between the wicket, or if the ball goes out of the playing area to the boundary rope it is singles as a 4, if the ball passes the boundary rope whilst in the air it is a 6. Runs are also scored by leg byes, byes, wides and no-balls.

It's probably best to watch cricket to get a good understanding of the game. The best team in the world is Australia. Hope this helps alittle!

jel, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

you really want to know about cricket? wtf?

don't ask me pal, i'm english.

gareth, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A match wil either be won by a number of wickets or runs, or drawn. There are also one day matches where each team bats for 50 overs...so one team could make 239-7 and the other team makes 240-5, meaning they have won by 5 wickets.

jel, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

that confused me on a deeper level. is there one of those neat books ?

anthony, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure about books but cricinfo have a few explanations online.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got a great book about wrist spin bowling.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Notes on terminology:-
batsman, not batter
bowler, not pitcher
wicket keeper (wickie), not catcher
one innings, many innings (never "inning")
leg or "on" side = the side of the field which the batsman's legs are on when batting.
off side = the side the bat is on, not the legs.
Hence off-spin and leg-spin (also off-break and leg-break), which bounce on the respective side of the batsman. Also some of the names of the fielders use this convention, square leg, long off, silly mid- on, etc
Swing = when fast bowler spins the ball hard and it moves in the air. This is due to the seam of the ball which can act as a rudder. It also why fast bowlers polish only one side of the ball against their trousers in the penis area before every ball. It is illegal to deliberately roughen the other side or covertly raise the seam with a pin for extra swing.
Duck = out for no runs.
Golden Duck = out for no runs first ball
Over = 6 balls. At the end of each over the whole field changes ends and another bowler must bowl from the other end. (NB everyone also swaps sides so that the leg-side fielders remain on the leg side)

That'll do for now.

Sam, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I got hit on the head with a cricket ball the first time I played it as a nipper. It knocked me out. I DON'T LIKE CRICKET.

Sarah, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

maiden - an over bowled without conceding any runs.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

really Anthony it's not a game that can be explained that well. Just watch it.

jel, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Especially if you still suffer from insomnia...... zzzzzz.....

Emma, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No batsmen is ever the same once they've faced Shane Warne's googlies. Also a great game for the tubbier would be sportsmen among us. The standing around to running ratio is firmly in the favour of the idler. Not mention the promise of cakes in the obligatory tea break.

Disco Dave, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

firstly you need an esky full of stubbies, then you go and sit on the hill with all the yobboes, swig for every run, swig for every wide, swig for every no-ball. If this is a test match, repeat for the following five days, if an international one dayer, just switch to bundie and coke for the following 10 hours - eventually it will all make sense.

Geoff, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry to be a bore, but some corrections, Sam.

***Hence off-spin and leg-spin (also off-break and leg-break), which bounce on the respective side of the batsman***.

It doesn't make any difference where they bounce - it's the direction the ball goes AFTER it has bounced which gives rise to the terms off- spin and leg-spin.

**Swing = when fast bowler spins the ball hard and it moves in the air***

The bowler doesn't SPIN it. Instead the seam is placed so that it is pointing to slip (out-swing) or fine-leg (in-swing). The best chance of getting swing is to use the fingers and wrist to keep the seam in that position when it goes thru the air. (It may move off the pitch in the same direction if the seam hits). The bowler can also influence this by the position of the front foot and by sweeping the bowling hand down the correct side of the body AFTER the ball has gone. If the seam wobbles in the air, you've less chance of knowing which way, and how much it will move (both in the air and off the pitch).

Reverse swing is when you go for outswing, but at the last minute the ball darts in towards leg after 'shaping' to go off-side. I've get to see a convincing explanation of HOW it's done, but it's a bastard to play!

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Geoff is onto something because the only convincing explanation I have ever seen for this game is an excuse to get merrily silly.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Dr. C - so is "swing" the art of what us baseball hedz call a "knuckleball", where the ball bobs and weaves around unpredictably due to almost complete LACK of steadying spin?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Not really. The ball does normally spin, but about an axis perpendicular to the seam, which is upright and pointing to the left or right of the batsman. However, the thing that causes the swing isn't the spin, it's the airflow around the slightly off angle seam and the rest of the ball. It works in a way not dissimilar to an aircraft wing.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

is "swing" (what i would think of as a "curve") a part of every bowl? you make it sound inevitable, rather than a choice made by the bowler.

"which is upright and pointing to the left or right" = ??

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Swing is quite hard to do, and depends on a number of variables - pace of bowler, humidity, cloud cover, and all the stuff we've mentioned about grip, body position, front leg position and arm action. Some bowlers are naturally 'swing' bowlers - most, but not all teams have one. Because of the way they naturally bowl they can get swing in most weather conditions. They usually bowl fast-medium, which means 70-80 mph air speed. Over that speed most bowlers don't swing it, but look for movement off the seam. Exceptions are the PAkistanis and Darren Gough and Craig White (England) who can get this mysterious 'reverse swing' which i mentioned earlier.

To get around to the answer, Tracer, most bowlers do not get any appreciable swing - even if they follow the textbook. There seems to be something about swing bowlers actions which is not entirely coachable, whereas most people can get some movement off the pitch (seam-bowlng).

Occasionally even the best swing bowlers findthey can't control the amount of swing and get TOO MUCH movement so that the batsman doesn't need to play the ball.

If you really wnat to get wierd about bowling we can talk about leg- spin, where the top bowlers have several viciousl spinning deliveries which are bowled with slightly different actions. Some spin one way, some the other, some keep low, some go straight on and some are bowled with lots of disguise to look like one of the other deliveries. It's bluff and double-bluff.

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

You know this made me more confused right ?
is readign about cricket in the dailies as good cause they dont braodcast cricket round my parts ?

anthony, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Swing bowling by fast bowlers has been one of the most consistent tools used by Australia to become and remain the most successful cricketing nation of the world.

It is an almost magical combination of the use of rare skill and athleticism, aerodynamics, and exploiting natural phenomena.

It requires humidity to create a more dense air mass, and for the ball to be buffed to a shine ON ONE SIDE OF THE SEAM ONLY.

When the ball is bowled with the upright seam and the extra spin along the axis through the seam imparted by the bowler's index and middle fingers along it, with a smooth,shiny ball face one side and an unrestored mucky one that creates more friction, for the same reasons planes fly, the ball swings to one side in the thicker air.

It usually also dips sharply, sometimes VERY sharply, and the extra energy this generates gives it tremendous bounce off the pitch, while the combination of the seam hitting the pitch, at an angle created by the bowler, affected by the other forces such as rate of spin, can make that bounce extremely variable in height and direction.

The bowler's action, and precise preparation of one side of the ball, without tampering, and the required air density, are the keys, and it's awesome to watch!

Glen McGrath, Brett Lee and Jason Gillespie are the best exponents of the art.

Cricket - Ballet and War, with Bats and Balls! ...lol

Greetings fellow posters. Nice to see so many erudite, informed individuals.

The US also has hundreds of cricket teams, and must surely be on the verge of entering a team in even a one-day match? That would be great.

Today in OZ I predict the Aussie batsmen will be smashing the world record for a final innings to defeat New Zealand...their form says they'll do it, but either way it will be FUN!!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing an interest in cricket.

Brett Fielding, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm really enjoying England vs Zimbabwe - it's really calming to watch. I watched the highlights last night and it was rubbish - the game isn't meant to be action packed. I have some Scrumpy Jack in the fridge.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

zimbawe aren't that good so any excitement is taken out. but cricket is always good.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

My cousin wasn't picked, so I'm in a strop (James Kirtley of Sussex, FWIW).

Mark C (Mark C), Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

you can't argue with the bowling selection after today's performance though Mark, surely? 19 wickets in a day? amazing stuff.

chris (chris), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

The guy I feel most sorry for is Paul Collingwood - he played a million one-dayers over the winter, was arguably England's most consistent batsman in the World Cup, would have been a shoo-in for a test debut against the 'mighty' Zim snd then gets injured and watches a journeyman Yorkshireman steal his glory and nab his place for the summer. He probably won't get into the side until we face the "big boys" again. The Peter Willey of his generation (except miles better).

darren (darren), Sunday, 25 May 2003 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link

You can argue with the bowling selection when a part-time medium pacer batsman gets the most wickets in an innings...

No, I'm not complaining. But the conditions would have been perfect for him on the first couple of days. It's a shame, he's almost 29 and for reasons of family pride I want him to get a decent stab at it.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Have I told you about being at school with later England regular opener and one-time World Cricketer Of The Year, Chris Broad? I can honestly say that I got the ball past his bat many, many times. He couldn't handle the pace or the spin I put on the ball.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Except that was only true when I was thrashing him in the school table tennis semi-final. I wasn't good enough at cricket to even play against him.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I love cricket. I would hate summer completely without it. And did anyone else notice that Zimbabwe guy making rude signs to people on Friday afternoon?

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I was visiting friends in Australia during the recent world cup, and had nothing better to do than to learn the rule of cricket and watch. It wasn't so bad, I guess.

of course, the cute new zealand bowler made watching like 10 hours of cricket so much more interesting:
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2002/sep/23vet.jpg

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...
oh, Nottinghamshirepaws.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

Oh good, Sussex won the County Championship, well done!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

Indeed, but after Durham failed to get maximum bonus bowling points in Yorkshire's first innings, Notts would only get relegated if the following happened:

1) Notts failed to get more than ONE bonus point from their game
2) Yorkshire and Durham drew
3) Durham got maximum batting points.

Astonishingly, 1) and 3) have already come true, and 2) looks to be very much on the cards barring an absolute mare for Durham tomorrow.

Notts would have got the 2 bonus points by taking 7 or more Sussex wickets inside 130 overs, an occurrence which happens in almost every single Championship game. With an abysmal bowling display, they took just 6, accruing one point.

Notts would then have got the 1 further point they needed by scoring only 200 runs in their own first innings. Sussex had scored 550-odd for 6, so the pitch would seem to have been ideally suited to this.

They crumbled from 130-2 to 165 all out.

One of the biggest chokes in recent British sporting history?

(P.S. I'm a Worcs fan)

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

anyone following the test in hamilton?

whatever, Saturday, 8 March 2008 22:36 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, thought so.

whatever, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

me, but its a bit of a foregone conclusion now innit

Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:18 (eleven years ago) link

just looked at the scorecard at lunch. 36/4 from 18 overs. the scores of cook and vaughan total 22 runs from 33 balls, which means the rest of the sorry crew have made 12 runs from just under 13 overs. A run an over???

fraser's comments are spot on: england would never have declared as vettori did. they'd have waited until about 3 balls before tea, just in case mccullum hit 50 sixes in a row.

whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

Do colly and bell have the bottle to survive? Better in this situation than KP and co but that doesn't mean anything.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:09 (eleven years ago) link

they'll survive for the best part of an hour or so, in the english way. i'd be very surprised if the match goes into the final session, once the spinners get into their ribs and there are 4 or 5 around the bat.

funny how these things cycle. england outclassed at rugby today, being outclassed at cricket in a country where they probably expected to win, and going through transition in football. contrast to a few years ago: rugby world cup holders, ashes winners, rooney breaking into the england team...

whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

Well, as a scotsman I enjoyed the rugby at least :) The cricket was sadly more predictable.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

As a working class Englishman living oop North I enjoyed the rugby.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

You enjoy England getting beat at anything, Jim.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

The players have been really magnanimous though. They accepted the LBW wrong call and admitted it was their own fault for wasting that review but I wonder how the press will accept it.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 25 August 2019 21:23 (three weeks ago) link

this was pretty good but of course they still can't resist the temptation to mention that Stokes was born in NZ https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/we-can-all-die-happy-now-cricket-doesn-t-get-any-better-than-this-20190826-p52knk.html

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Sunday, 25 August 2019 21:25 (three weeks ago) link

Like the way everyone here just applauded how great Smith's been (comparing to Bradman) I think they will just stand back and admit it's one of he greatest innings ever.

Shame its not on council telly for everyone to watch

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 25 August 2019 21:42 (three weeks ago) link

This must be the highest successful run chase ever for a team bowled out under 100. How on earth did England win after being bowled out for 67? It just doesn't happen. It only happens for other teams against England. Never happens for us. We better not to back to old habits though. Surely the players know they need to just grind out the runs and dont give up their wickets cheaply. Dont make me shout at them again!

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 25 August 2019 22:02 (three weeks ago) link

Just checking if that really happened yesterday

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Monday, 26 August 2019 11:23 (two weeks ago) link

just ask Glenn

The most remarkable of finishes, as seen in the TMS box.

Thank you so much for being there with us.#bbccricket #Ashes pic.twitter.com/qTG16XC79Z

— Test Match Special (@bbctms) August 25, 2019

I've listened to a lot of misogynic/sexist rap myself (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 August 2019 11:54 (two weeks ago) link

bees.

just ask Glenn

🐦[The most remarkable of finishes, as seen in the TMS box.

Thank you so much for being there with us.#bbccricket🕸 #Ashes🕸 pic.twitter.com/qTG16XC79Z🕸
— Test Match Special (@bbctms) August 25, 2019🕸]🐦


i listened to the TMS coverage after watching the last two hours in the pub yesterday. considerable amount of joy generated from how agitated glenn mcgrath gets about the lbw decision.

Fizzles, Monday, 26 August 2019 12:38 (two weeks ago) link

rogue bees.

Fizzles, Monday, 26 August 2019 12:38 (two weeks ago) link

I've got 5 days at Old Trafford then a couple of days at the Oval, that could have been a dismal prospect, not any more!

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 26 August 2019 14:11 (two weeks ago) link

"I just have to make sure they are clean every time they were facing up because I would really regret it if it had been smudged," he said, "and then they zoom in on the glasses and say 'he didn't clean his glasses'.

imago, Monday, 26 August 2019 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

Getting beyond a joke now this England/Smith thing.

Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 September 2019 14:32 (one week ago) link

This would be a good Test to draw

imago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:21 (one week ago) link

it would be a miracle. They only happen once in a lifetime.
Can you see anything other than an England collapse? They got lucky in the last test which papered over the cracks.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:29 (one week ago) link

They got lucky in the test before that you mean, when Smith got it in the neck.

Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:31 (one week ago) link

hah

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:37 (one week ago) link

I just wish Joe Root could go out there and hit a triple century tomorrow

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Thursday, 5 September 2019 17:38 (one week ago) link

wow Root edged and neither Paine or Warner went for it. Lucky!

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, 6 September 2019 16:05 (one week ago) link

Root has found it so hard to convert 50s to 100s since becoming skipper. It's very worrying cuz we need a double ton from him.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, 6 September 2019 16:06 (one week ago) link

Root now injured after being struck on the back leg (Australia reviewed for LBW but it was missing)

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, 6 September 2019 16:19 (one week ago) link

How's the weather forecast for tomorrow?

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 September 2019 11:14 (one week ago) link

One of my heroes Abdul Qadir died. :( He was a genius with the ball

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 September 2019 13:35 (one week ago) link

He was, that's sad

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 September 2019 13:44 (one week ago) link

Well England are having a "go"

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 September 2019 14:17 (one week ago) link

well its 0-2

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:40 (one week ago) link

and root will remain captain, his batting will stink because of it and nothing much will change over the next few years as the ECB prefer the money from One Day and T20 games and this silly new competition

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:54 (one week ago) link

Anybody think England will bat out the draw?

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:36 (one week ago) link

Without those two wickets there might have been a chance, but now it looks beyond them.

AlanSmithee, Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:38 (one week ago) link

God has to intervene.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:46 (one week ago) link

I don't think Stokes is God tbh

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 September 2019 08:48 (one week ago) link

Nor do I.

But it's ok the ECB made a ton of cash who gives a shit.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 September 2019 08:49 (one week ago) link

that's pretty much it innit, that's all they care about

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:52 (one week ago) link

its like having the Celtic FC board and their biscuit tin running cricket.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:53 (one week ago) link

Bairstow out

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 14:09 (one week ago) link

it looks awfully dark there to me

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 16:42 (one week ago) link

Root has to stand down or be sacked as captain. Hi batting has been affected badly and he's not a good captain and his Ashes record as skipper is appalling. He's lost 2 series.

But the buck mustn't stop there.

Just watch the ECB do nothing and watch it all happen over and over again

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 17:22 (one week ago) link

Congrats to steve smith for single-handedly winning the Ashes

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 17:22 (one week ago) link

Australia (or at least Smith) clearly the better side over the series, but at least that was a battling and spirited performance today. England are short a few batsmen and a spinner.

AlanSmithee, Sunday, 8 September 2019 17:59 (one week ago) link

i saw a weird BBC headline about "Brave England" and then i checked the fucking score

Joe Proroguin' (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:59 (one week ago) link

Bravely losing by 185 runs.

Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Sunday, 8 September 2019 20:17 (one week ago) link

Well they did put up a fight instead of not being rolled over in a session like they usually do in this situation.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 20:39 (one week ago) link

But I cant see how Roy (and i like him) can be in the test team. Im a big fan of Butler but while I reckon he'd make a good skipper he's not proven he's a test player yet 1 century isn't enough and tho while I wouldn't be surprised if the new coach dumps him I reckon he might get the winter as a last chance.

Bairstow is not a frontline batsmen, prefers to bat as 7 and his keeping isnt good enough. I reckon him or butler will be dropped (poss both) and Foakes getting a chance in the winter.

But the truth is England have run out of batsmen to try.
Burns has done enough to warrant a chance but not denly yet who else is left to try?

Batsmen just dont get enough 4 day games and it will be worse with this 'Hundred' bullshit and overseas tours will still not have enough first class warm up games as nothing is going to change really.

Any ideas who the next coach should be?

Id really like to see the whole system changed and selectors fired and a full review but I'm not holding my breath.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 20:44 (one week ago) link

I wouldn't bet against them giving everyone another go in the last test too and will talk about no knee-jerk changes and root will still be captain for the next tour and BS about how he has a job to do and wont walk away

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 20:47 (one week ago) link

Unchanged squad. Root says he's the best man for the job.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (six days ago) link

Vic Marks is sensible on this I think: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/sep/09/captaincy-robbing-england-of-joe-root-greatest-asset

Not too much point doing wholesale changes for the last test, though it might have been nice to see Sibley, Pope or Crawley get a game it might also be better to give one or all of them a full series in the winter. I think SCurran will play instead of Overton, and they might rest Stokes.

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:43 (six days ago) link

Would be a waste to play Stokes if he can't bowl and why risk aggravating his injury?

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:26 (six days ago) link

yeah deffo

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 9 September 2019 19:22 (six days ago) link

both teams' selectors have really covered themselves in glory this series

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 September 2019 15:51 (two days ago) link

looking like a drawn series with australia grimly batting out a draw inbred other game. england dominant

imago, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:56 (two days ago) link

lol my phone knows australia better than i do

imago, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:56 (two days ago) link

Good lord, Smith missed a straight one and is out.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Friday, 13 September 2019 16:31 (two days ago) link


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