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anyone wanna give me a 101 ?

anthony, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

let your conscience be your guide.

jess, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, what do you want to know? It's not the simplest of games.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What's a 101? I got an e-mail the other day about playing cricket next season. It's nearly October for chrissakes. It's like Christmas cards going on sale in August.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A beginners tutorial , I know it is a complex game but it looks like it may be fun to watch .

anthony, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Googly or Flipper? Short leg or silly point? Swing or seam? Third Man or fly-slip?(Sounds like your scene, Anthony)

Yep, it's complicated.

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

One team bats and one bowls. Each team does each discipline twice during the course of a match and a game can last 5 days without a winner being decided.(is that a bit simplistic?Sorry if so) It's fantastic to watch, so many nuances, especially when the spinners come on in the mid-afternoon.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Each team has 11 players, usually consisting of 4-5 bowlers, 5-6 batsman and a witcketkeeper. In a test match each team has two innings (i.e two turns to bat)...At any one time the batting team will have two batsmen at the crease (the browny/yellow strip), the aim is for the bowling team to get out ten batsmen, there will always be one player not out at the end of the inning (unless it is declared)...A player can be out bowled (the ball hits the wicket behind the batsman), lbw where the umpire makes the decision that the bowl pitched in line with the stumps and was going to hit and the batsman was not offering a shot, caught most likely behind the bat by slips or wicketkeeper, and run out where the batsmen are running between the wicket but one does not get back in time and the ball is thrown at the wicket. There are other ways to be out such as handled the ball or hit wicket but these are rare.

There are six balls bowled each over, and there are a variety of different bowling styles such as fast bowling (80-90 mph) and spin bowlin (40-50 mph)...the bowlers aim is both to restrict runs and get wickets. The intracacies of bowling are hard to explain. Runs are scored by running between the wicket, or if the ball goes out of the playing area to the boundary rope it is singles as a 4, if the ball passes the boundary rope whilst in the air it is a 6. Runs are also scored by leg byes, byes, wides and no-balls.

It's probably best to watch cricket to get a good understanding of the game. The best team in the world is Australia. Hope this helps alittle!

jel, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

you really want to know about cricket? wtf?

don't ask me pal, i'm english.

gareth, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A match wil either be won by a number of wickets or runs, or drawn. There are also one day matches where each team bats for 50 overs...so one team could make 239-7 and the other team makes 240-5, meaning they have won by 5 wickets.

jel, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

that confused me on a deeper level. is there one of those neat books ?

anthony, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure about books but cricinfo have a few explanations online.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got a great book about wrist spin bowling.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Notes on terminology:-
batsman, not batter
bowler, not pitcher
wicket keeper (wickie), not catcher
one innings, many innings (never "inning")
leg or "on" side = the side of the field which the batsman's legs are on when batting.
off side = the side the bat is on, not the legs.
Hence off-spin and leg-spin (also off-break and leg-break), which bounce on the respective side of the batsman. Also some of the names of the fielders use this convention, square leg, long off, silly mid- on, etc
Swing = when fast bowler spins the ball hard and it moves in the air. This is due to the seam of the ball which can act as a rudder. It also why fast bowlers polish only one side of the ball against their trousers in the penis area before every ball. It is illegal to deliberately roughen the other side or covertly raise the seam with a pin for extra swing.
Duck = out for no runs.
Golden Duck = out for no runs first ball
Over = 6 balls. At the end of each over the whole field changes ends and another bowler must bowl from the other end. (NB everyone also swaps sides so that the leg-side fielders remain on the leg side)

That'll do for now.

Sam, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I got hit on the head with a cricket ball the first time I played it as a nipper. It knocked me out. I DON'T LIKE CRICKET.

Sarah, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

maiden - an over bowled without conceding any runs.

Jonnie, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

really Anthony it's not a game that can be explained that well. Just watch it.

jel, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Especially if you still suffer from insomnia...... zzzzzz.....

Emma, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No batsmen is ever the same once they've faced Shane Warne's googlies. Also a great game for the tubbier would be sportsmen among us. The standing around to running ratio is firmly in the favour of the idler. Not mention the promise of cakes in the obligatory tea break.

Disco Dave, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

firstly you need an esky full of stubbies, then you go and sit on the hill with all the yobboes, swig for every run, swig for every wide, swig for every no-ball. If this is a test match, repeat for the following five days, if an international one dayer, just switch to bundie and coke for the following 10 hours - eventually it will all make sense.

Geoff, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry to be a bore, but some corrections, Sam.

***Hence off-spin and leg-spin (also off-break and leg-break), which bounce on the respective side of the batsman***.

It doesn't make any difference where they bounce - it's the direction the ball goes AFTER it has bounced which gives rise to the terms off- spin and leg-spin.

**Swing = when fast bowler spins the ball hard and it moves in the air***

The bowler doesn't SPIN it. Instead the seam is placed so that it is pointing to slip (out-swing) or fine-leg (in-swing). The best chance of getting swing is to use the fingers and wrist to keep the seam in that position when it goes thru the air. (It may move off the pitch in the same direction if the seam hits). The bowler can also influence this by the position of the front foot and by sweeping the bowling hand down the correct side of the body AFTER the ball has gone. If the seam wobbles in the air, you've less chance of knowing which way, and how much it will move (both in the air and off the pitch).

Reverse swing is when you go for outswing, but at the last minute the ball darts in towards leg after 'shaping' to go off-side. I've get to see a convincing explanation of HOW it's done, but it's a bastard to play!

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Geoff is onto something because the only convincing explanation I have ever seen for this game is an excuse to get merrily silly.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Dr. C - so is "swing" the art of what us baseball hedz call a "knuckleball", where the ball bobs and weaves around unpredictably due to almost complete LACK of steadying spin?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Not really. The ball does normally spin, but about an axis perpendicular to the seam, which is upright and pointing to the left or right of the batsman. However, the thing that causes the swing isn't the spin, it's the airflow around the slightly off angle seam and the rest of the ball. It works in a way not dissimilar to an aircraft wing.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

is "swing" (what i would think of as a "curve") a part of every bowl? you make it sound inevitable, rather than a choice made by the bowler.

"which is upright and pointing to the left or right" = ??

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Swing is quite hard to do, and depends on a number of variables - pace of bowler, humidity, cloud cover, and all the stuff we've mentioned about grip, body position, front leg position and arm action. Some bowlers are naturally 'swing' bowlers - most, but not all teams have one. Because of the way they naturally bowl they can get swing in most weather conditions. They usually bowl fast-medium, which means 70-80 mph air speed. Over that speed most bowlers don't swing it, but look for movement off the seam. Exceptions are the PAkistanis and Darren Gough and Craig White (England) who can get this mysterious 'reverse swing' which i mentioned earlier.

To get around to the answer, Tracer, most bowlers do not get any appreciable swing - even if they follow the textbook. There seems to be something about swing bowlers actions which is not entirely coachable, whereas most people can get some movement off the pitch (seam-bowlng).

Occasionally even the best swing bowlers findthey can't control the amount of swing and get TOO MUCH movement so that the batsman doesn't need to play the ball.

If you really wnat to get wierd about bowling we can talk about leg- spin, where the top bowlers have several viciousl spinning deliveries which are bowled with slightly different actions. Some spin one way, some the other, some keep low, some go straight on and some are bowled with lots of disguise to look like one of the other deliveries. It's bluff and double-bluff.

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

You know this made me more confused right ?
is readign about cricket in the dailies as good cause they dont braodcast cricket round my parts ?

anthony, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Swing bowling by fast bowlers has been one of the most consistent tools used by Australia to become and remain the most successful cricketing nation of the world.

It is an almost magical combination of the use of rare skill and athleticism, aerodynamics, and exploiting natural phenomena.

It requires humidity to create a more dense air mass, and for the ball to be buffed to a shine ON ONE SIDE OF THE SEAM ONLY.

When the ball is bowled with the upright seam and the extra spin along the axis through the seam imparted by the bowler's index and middle fingers along it, with a smooth,shiny ball face one side and an unrestored mucky one that creates more friction, for the same reasons planes fly, the ball swings to one side in the thicker air.

It usually also dips sharply, sometimes VERY sharply, and the extra energy this generates gives it tremendous bounce off the pitch, while the combination of the seam hitting the pitch, at an angle created by the bowler, affected by the other forces such as rate of spin, can make that bounce extremely variable in height and direction.

The bowler's action, and precise preparation of one side of the ball, without tampering, and the required air density, are the keys, and it's awesome to watch!

Glen McGrath, Brett Lee and Jason Gillespie are the best exponents of the art.

Cricket - Ballet and War, with Bats and Balls! ...lol

Greetings fellow posters. Nice to see so many erudite, informed individuals.

The US also has hundreds of cricket teams, and must surely be on the verge of entering a team in even a one-day match? That would be great.

Today in OZ I predict the Aussie batsmen will be smashing the world record for a final innings to defeat New Zealand...their form says they'll do it, but either way it will be FUN!!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing an interest in cricket.

Brett Fielding, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm really enjoying England vs Zimbabwe - it's really calming to watch. I watched the highlights last night and it was rubbish - the game isn't meant to be action packed. I have some Scrumpy Jack in the fridge.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

zimbawe aren't that good so any excitement is taken out. but cricket is always good.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

My cousin wasn't picked, so I'm in a strop (James Kirtley of Sussex, FWIW).

Mark C (Mark C), Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

you can't argue with the bowling selection after today's performance though Mark, surely? 19 wickets in a day? amazing stuff.

chris (chris), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

The guy I feel most sorry for is Paul Collingwood - he played a million one-dayers over the winter, was arguably England's most consistent batsman in the World Cup, would have been a shoo-in for a test debut against the 'mighty' Zim snd then gets injured and watches a journeyman Yorkshireman steal his glory and nab his place for the summer. He probably won't get into the side until we face the "big boys" again. The Peter Willey of his generation (except miles better).

darren (darren), Sunday, 25 May 2003 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link

You can argue with the bowling selection when a part-time medium pacer batsman gets the most wickets in an innings...

No, I'm not complaining. But the conditions would have been perfect for him on the first couple of days. It's a shame, he's almost 29 and for reasons of family pride I want him to get a decent stab at it.

Mark C (Mark C), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Have I told you about being at school with later England regular opener and one-time World Cricketer Of The Year, Chris Broad? I can honestly say that I got the ball past his bat many, many times. He couldn't handle the pace or the spin I put on the ball.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Except that was only true when I was thrashing him in the school table tennis semi-final. I wasn't good enough at cricket to even play against him.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I love cricket. I would hate summer completely without it. And did anyone else notice that Zimbabwe guy making rude signs to people on Friday afternoon?

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I was visiting friends in Australia during the recent world cup, and had nothing better to do than to learn the rule of cricket and watch. It wasn't so bad, I guess.

of course, the cute new zealand bowler made watching like 10 hours of cricket so much more interesting:
http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2002/sep/23vet.jpg

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 26 May 2003 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...
oh, Nottinghamshirepaws.

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

Oh good, Sussex won the County Championship, well done!

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

Indeed, but after Durham failed to get maximum bonus bowling points in Yorkshire's first innings, Notts would only get relegated if the following happened:

1) Notts failed to get more than ONE bonus point from their game
2) Yorkshire and Durham drew
3) Durham got maximum batting points.

Astonishingly, 1) and 3) have already come true, and 2) looks to be very much on the cards barring an absolute mare for Durham tomorrow.

Notts would have got the 2 bonus points by taking 7 or more Sussex wickets inside 130 overs, an occurrence which happens in almost every single Championship game. With an abysmal bowling display, they took just 6, accruing one point.

Notts would then have got the 1 further point they needed by scoring only 200 runs in their own first innings. Sussex had scored 550-odd for 6, so the pitch would seem to have been ideally suited to this.

They crumbled from 130-2 to 165 all out.

One of the biggest chokes in recent British sporting history?

(P.S. I'm a Worcs fan)

Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

anyone following the test in hamilton?

whatever, Saturday, 8 March 2008 22:36 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, thought so.

whatever, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

me, but its a bit of a foregone conclusion now innit

Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 8 March 2008 23:18 (eleven years ago) link

just looked at the scorecard at lunch. 36/4 from 18 overs. the scores of cook and vaughan total 22 runs from 33 balls, which means the rest of the sorry crew have made 12 runs from just under 13 overs. A run an over???

fraser's comments are spot on: england would never have declared as vettori did. they'd have waited until about 3 balls before tea, just in case mccullum hit 50 sixes in a row.

whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

Do colly and bell have the bottle to survive? Better in this situation than KP and co but that doesn't mean anything.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:09 (eleven years ago) link

they'll survive for the best part of an hour or so, in the english way. i'd be very surprised if the match goes into the final session, once the spinners get into their ribs and there are 4 or 5 around the bat.

funny how these things cycle. england outclassed at rugby today, being outclassed at cricket in a country where they probably expected to win, and going through transition in football. contrast to a few years ago: rugby world cup holders, ashes winners, rooney breaking into the england team...

whatever, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

Well, as a scotsman I enjoyed the rugby at least :) The cricket was sadly more predictable.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

As a working class Englishman living oop North I enjoyed the rugby.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

You enjoy England getting beat at anything, Jim.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 9 March 2008 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

incredible. so much on jofra's shoulders tho.

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:15 (two days ago) link

he seemed quite isolated when he was warming up. sitting there by himself. but he's been given a decent total.

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:15 (two days ago) link

he looks calm

||||||||, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:15 (two days ago) link

and bowling as he always does

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:16 (two days ago) link

A moment ago, England needed 15 to win off the last over. Now New Zealand need 16 to win off the last over. Madness!

— Lawrence Booth (@the_topspin) July 14, 2019

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:16 (two days ago) link

The West Indian will win it for you, imo.

ShariVari, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:17 (two days ago) link

Feel for whoever loses this tbh, should've shared it

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:18 (two days ago) link

^^^^

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:21 (two days ago) link

^

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:22 (two days ago) link

wide man

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:24 (two days ago) link

man man man

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:25 (two days ago) link

Oof

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:26 (two days ago) link

Blimey

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:28 (two days ago) link

wow

||||||||, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:29 (two days ago) link

Poor old Kiwis, robbed!

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:30 (two days ago) link

get this shit on free to air

||||||||, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:30 (two days ago) link

i was going to say i almost feel deflated. but then i saw archer's face.

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:31 (two days ago) link

Good lord, what a game.

ShariVari, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:31 (two days ago) link

Fuck me

groovypanda, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:32 (two days ago) link

Feel for whoever loses this tbh, should've shared it

― jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:18 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

imago, Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:32 (two days ago) link

Was gonna say "NZ was robbed" but didn't want to be accused of treason :D

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:33 (two days ago) link

No, any treason accuations should be reserved for Ben Stokes ;)

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 July 2019 18:46 (two days ago) link

this combined with the birth of my baby daughter has made it a crazy and wonderful week

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:07 (two days ago) link

nothing will beat baby but that was insane

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:07 (two days ago) link

Congrats!

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:09 (two days ago) link

thanks very much!

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:10 (two days ago) link

Congratulations Neil!

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:23 (two days ago) link

Congratulations!

Both Wimbledon going to a deciding t/b (which wasn’t possible before this year) and this going to a super over (which I didn’t even know was a thing) at basically the same time is something I am having trouble conveying the craziness of to my sports-agnostic partner.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:24 (two days ago) link

Does anyone know what happened in the cricket? I was watching the Grand Prix.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:30 (two days ago) link

Congratulations, Neil. Daughter born at the point of some sort of sports conjuncture.

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:31 (two days ago) link

That was some extraordinary sport. So much to process. I think I agree that they should have shared it.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:36 (two days ago) link

I don't even enjoy watching cricket or even care that much for it as a sport, but perversely enjoy listening to it on the radio a hell of a lot. Earlier was a good reminder how exciting and fun it can be as an audio experience. Pisser that England won tho!

Congrats Neil.

calzino, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:37 (two days ago) link

thanks online buddies, it has been a real trip, long may it continue!

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 15 July 2019 07:52 (yesterday) link

'grats, Neil

"Both Wimbledon going to a deciding t/b (which wasn’t possible before this year) and this going to a super over (which I didn’t even know was a thing) at basically the same time is something I am having trouble conveying the craziness of to my sports-agnostic partner."

Yesterday was one-for-the-ages craziness. TB ending about 20 minutes before the cricket.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 15 July 2019 08:01 (yesterday) link

btw this would've been shared had it been any other WC. The golden over was only introduced this year.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 15 July 2019 08:03 (yesterday) link

The golden over and then decision by number of boundaries is an even less satisfactory way of deciding a title than penalties tbh

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 July 2019 08:35 (yesterday) link

The golden over was fine. Boundary count was robbery though

imago, Monday, 15 July 2019 08:44 (yesterday) link

Golden over is a terrible way to decide anything lol - why in god's name introduce this when scores are seldom tied in cricket? Capitalism needing winners and losers again is it.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 15 July 2019 08:49 (yesterday) link

Congratulations Neil.

Still reeling to be honest and still feel awful for the Kiwis.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 15 July 2019 09:09 (yesterday) link

yeah

imago, Monday, 15 July 2019 09:15 (yesterday) link

Literally robbed

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:12 (yesterday) link

ol' perfidious Albion at it again!

calzino, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:17 (yesterday) link

wouldn't go so far as to blame the England team but imagine if NZ had benefited from that situation.

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:20 (yesterday) link

(xp) He would say that, wouldn't he?

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:23 (yesterday) link

Maybe cricket needs to adopt a VAR system to prevent these kinds of mistake

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:39 (yesterday) link

someone once told me W C Fields was a total cheat who would bully umpires. And once he bullied one into letting him play on after getting caught out for a duck, because this crowd is here to appreciate my skills, not yours, you fucking pleb!

calzino, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:45 (yesterday) link

Lol W G Grace I meant!

calzino, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:46 (yesterday) link

he was bowled and replaced the bails as I heard it

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 15 July 2019 16:41 (yesterday) link

Might have been how I heard it tbh, my memories are sometimes quite jumbled these days but the crux of the story was I think he'd not been batting for long. there is something that makes me chuckle at the schoolboy cap/full beardage w/ owls nest combo of his, one hell of a look.

calzino, Monday, 15 July 2019 18:43 (yesterday) link


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