― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
...which, uh, robs you of even more bandwidth.
You sure told her off. Uh-huh.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 04:00 (twenty years ago) link
aka chook fucker
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 04:03 (twenty years ago) link
It's the principle of the matter. I clearly say I don't want to serve my images for other web sites or users. Ally has created a post that is attempting to steal from me.... I know you clever people on this thread are capable of wrapping your well developed minds around the concept of theft -- especially since so much of it is going on around here...
If someone removes the illegal and unauthorized link to my site, I'll happily go away. if the next time I happen to browse my web logs I see evidence of continued theft, I'll throw together a little perl script to collect a bunch of image tags from your various message threads and send email to the owners of those domains to be sure they are aware of the theft of bandwidth and possible copyright violations. The fact that many copyrighted images, including mine, have embedded comments indicating a copyright should make it easy to find some stolen images on your site...
I don't have a legal team, and I'm sure folks reading this don't have a legal team. I know Disney has a legal team. Have you ever seen how rabid Disney is about protecting their copyrights and trademarks? Got any pictures of Mickey Mouse around here? I'm sure you friendly message board types don't have assets worth going after, but what about those companies that make *this* message board possible?
Of course I would send a copy of any evidence of illegal activity on this board to the folks at keypoint (http://www.keypoint.com.au/) who so kindly provide your little message board a home. And let's not forget those nice people at Labyrinth Connections that host your DNS. They should be made aware of any potential legal liabilities arising from their apparent charitable hosting of this site. I'd somehow feel guilty if I didn't also look into who the upstream providers are for your netblock...
Yes, I'm a prick. Yes, I'm pissed off. and YES, what you guys are doing is WRONG. Make all the jokes you want, but remove the link to shooter.net
I don't have any illusions about how effective my actions may be, but I know that I wouldn't want some prick pointing out to everyone and anyone (especially those people nice enough to host my site) how I was breaking the law... I'd just take the fucking link down and be done with the matter...
Cheers,
Stevem
― Mr Steve, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:00 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:16 (twenty years ago) link
^ read dumbass
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:19 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:20 (twenty years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:27 (twenty years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:30 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:31 (twenty years ago) link
Funny that I mentioned Disney. A simple glance at the image tags on this page reveals:
a_tyson_i.jpg
it's from: http://espn-i.starwave.com
espn is a Disney company....
I'd suggest that you read:
http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.html
If you are smart, you'll simply shut up and remove the offending link from your site. You guys are in the wrong. Period.
Disney hasn't bothered with you because you haven't hit their radar. Yet. Your providers haven't been bothered by your rampant casual THEIVERY because it hasn't appeared on their radar. Yet. While you may or may not get shot down, I can make sure you show up on several radar screens like a freaking 747...
― Mr Steve, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:49 (twenty years ago) link
Jon Williams totally OTFM.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago) link
Details here: http://www.simplebits.com/archives/2004/02/04/common_sense_and_image_lifting.html
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 07:00 (twenty years ago) link
omg geeta, thats so cute.
― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 07:03 (twenty years ago) link
Instead of flipping me shit, one of the knowledgeable users of this board could have indicated how I could request a moderator to remove the offending link. Somone could have said, "Oh, we're doing something illegal that pisses you off? I'm sorry, we'll stop." I know, that's asking entirely too much... But come on guys, there is so much petty thievery going on around here that it seems like this site must be run by the government... If someone complains the smart thing to do is point them to a moderator, or even better, make a request for moderation of the offending link, apologize politely and be done with it.
But since you guys have chosen to not do the "smart thing", you've *really* pissed me off, and I will be satisfied with nothing less than removal of the offending material.
Hopefully someone will have the good sense to rectify this situation. Trust me, it'll be a lot more difficult to deal with the fallout from a few well placed emails from a pissed off prick than it would to do the "right thing".
― Mr Steve, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 07:21 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 07:22 (twenty years ago) link
― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 07:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 13:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
Also, if there is any whiff of abuse or slander on the part of someone puroprting to be considering legal action, it doesn't look very good for the complainant. It could, in fact, be seen as extortion based on certain precedents.
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link
-- Allyzay (notthatyanceydoesntdeservei...), February 18th, 2004 1:49 AM. (later)
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY IT NEEDS TO STAY UP!
― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
You (and the others) just don't get it. That's what pisses me off. You say, 'Linking to images on remote servers is one of the ways that the web "works." it's built into the spec. it's NOT illegal and it's NOT "thievery," no matter how much you would like it to be.' When there is a specific notice, specific language forbidding linking to images on my site, and cleary requiring my permission before using any of my images, it IS wrong to do so, and it is a copyright violation. Copyright violations are "intellectual property theft". I'm not just blowing smoke, it's true.
'if you tell us who the photographer is we'll credit him or her'
Please pluck a clue off the tree. simply giving a photo credit doesn't relieve you of responsibility to ask PERMISSION before using someone elses property. My images, yes I'm the photographer, are my property. You couldn't take my car and then defend yourself against car theft charges by saying, "well, I put a sign on the car door saying it belonged to Stevem" Taking without permission is theft.
'but if you want the image gone from this thread, please just edit your .htaccess file! damn!!'
No. Simply ask permission before using someone elses work. It's really not that hard. If Ally would have dropped me an email and asked to use the image, my standard response is, sure, go ahead. But that didn't happen. It's not my responsibility to prevent you from breaking the law. It is your responsiblity to obey the law.
Since you guys have finally removed the offending link, I"ll be leaving you all alone to your own little game. However, I hope that this ugly episode will at least make you think about asking for permission before helping yourself to the work and bandwidth of others.. And gawd, if someone complains about copyright/bandwidth issues, be nice. remedy the situation and apologize...
Oh, one last thing, when you do a google image search, pay attention to the line that says, "This image may be subject to copyright."
Cheers!
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
http://community.webshots.com/html/violation.htm
Yup, it's that simple, post the link. Now I could have cut and pasted the content from that page right here in this little text window, but that would have been a no-no.
By the way, any admins paying attention to this thread. It would demonstate a modicum of due dilligence if you were to have a readily available link to your policy regarding complaints of copyright violation. A somewhat murky "moderation request" will likely not provide you with anywhere near the protection (and ease of use for victims) that the above reference link would provide to you... Just a thought, and a demonstration of how to be a good Netizen...
Ciao!
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link
This is like, say, owning a nice home with lots of nice things in a sketchy neighborhood, but refusing to lock the doors because you think people should know better than to steal things because, after all, stealing is obviously wrong. Once you've been relieved of your car, VCR and jewelery, sure, the theft is the robber's fault, no question. But you'll still look pretty silly -- perverse, even -- for not locking your damned doors.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
http://bs20002.tripod.com/006.jpg
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
You still haven't apologized for stealing stevem's name.
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link