New York City is for sellouts

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OK, that's hyperbole. But this question is brought on by a spate of friends and acquaintances deciding to move to New York City, and me thinking, is there any more cliched thing to do? There are hundreds of great cities in the US, but no, everyone is moving to NYC. The cynic in me can't help but think that these are people with no outstanding personality, skills, or goals that need some way to define themselves, so they pick "New Yorker," hoping that this will make them interesting, but obviously that's a load of crap. But seriously, folks, why move to NYC and not anywhere else in the world? Is there anything left that's special or unique about NYC that doesn't exist in any other large US city? What leads to this mythology of the Big Apple? (I want to say the fact that most US media is based there helps perpetuate the "NYC is the best" POV, but then again, I'm a jerk).

PS, obviously no hate intended to native NYers or my much-loved NYC ILXors. Although this question is phrased in an antagonistic manner, it's based in pure curiosity and lack of comprehension.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 13:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

depends on what you mean by NYC. All my friends are moving to Brooklyn and hating the hipsters that they're encountering there.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 7 August 2003 13:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They know me and Tracer Hand live here.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 13:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

When I said "obviously that's a load of crap," I was referring not to the concept that being a New Yorker will make someone interesting, but to my whole cynical shpiel.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 13:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

NA you ought to be glad you're rid of such shallow people.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

We love shallow hipsters here! Send more, and when come bring pie.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

1) jobs
2) sex
3) bars

in no particular order. However, since the Great Sex Crackdown of '01 all sex is prohibited in New York. Many people don't find that out until they get here.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I thought jobs were banned.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah everybody's just here for the "vibe," like the guy who works at the bodega on my corner, he was like "d00d, I spent three months and five days crawling through razor wire and broken glass to get here for the hookers and liquor, and that was after i already got sent back twice" and I was like "at least you can get hookers on Sunday"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I figure that people move to New York when they've exhausted their home towns. I mean, where the fuck else am I supposed to move to? Chicago??

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wannabe hipsters moving to Brooklyn and bitching when they meet "real" hipsters there -- C/D?

Aaron, yr back?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sex is only prohibited in the champagne rooms, you dumbass. If you just move it to the bathroom you're fine.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

my time in new york
was absolutely crucial
for this country boy

I got to indulge
all my 'welcome back kotter'
fantasies therein

made a lot of friends
saw a lot of famous folks
"dude! it's eric b.!"

then I moved to Chi.
never looked back, even once.
now I miss them both.

Haikunym, Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh hey Yanc3y! Yeah, sorry I haven't emailed. I've been too busy trying to deal with the shambles that my life has turned into in my absence.

Speaking of NYC, I'll be in town from the 25-31st while I'm temporarily homeless. Looks like I'll be moving in December (or May at the very latest, depending on my job situation).

That would make me a sellout for staying longer, and I'm a sellout for moving. Hells yeah!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well I guess now we know why Ally's hometown is exhausted.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Um, that didn't really work.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ooer I'll git you fer that, you Southern hipster bitch.

(xpost I understand what you were getting at, though I kind of like that the champagne room is now my hometown)

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

MAY?!?!? I call bullshit on that, my friend. Drop me a line about the 25th. I ain't got no job, so I'm down for whatever.

Tracer, can you email me? I forget yr real addy.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have never even been to NYC nor do I have aspirations to move there.

Mandee, Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What, yr too good to email me all of a sudden? Everyone else is dropping you a line, but I'm not? Fuck you too!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, yanc3, access to webmail is DENIED today at work. Send me a mail and i'll remember.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm in the middle of writing you Ally!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

my friends are moving to brooklyn from sf because they think it will be more family-friendly. please tell them they are insane.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Carroll Gardens is pretty family-friendly.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously it's ace, otherwise we wouldn't be getting married there (not that I've been before) We may need to start consulting with you NYC types soon for advice on locations for things.

chris (chris), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, my friend is dating the girl in the painting on the wall of the Motor City Bar (in NYC natch).

Yanc3y you have email... Kyle, you will have some shortly!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You should get married in the Motor City Bar, btw, Chris.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

We have the location (cherry hill in Central park if Vicky oks it in October)for the actual wedding, but will the Motor city bar suit for drinks the night before with me and my best man (plus entourage?)

chris (chris), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No no! That place sucks! It's just amusing.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, if you want yr bachelor party to be a time spent looking at grizzled old dudes, hipster men, and ugly bartenders, yeah!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, MCB blows. And Brooklyn is VERY family friendly. Try Carroll Gardens, Greenpoint, Park Slope or Gravesend.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They should go to Scores. And also invite me.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'd come out to NY for that.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There's a Motor City bar in NYC?

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Aaron! You and me lets go. Also we should go to Wall St and ride the bull!!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The solution is clear: Worcester.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Um, it's a date Ally! Now I just have to figure out a way to ditch the gf. Or maybe she could come too? Or maybe...... (starting to blush)

Re: MC Bar... Yeah! There's a big Camilo painting of this girl that's dating my friend and all sorts of dumb crap on the walls like "Woodward Avenue" signs. The bartenders were incompetent and it generally sucked, other than for the amusement factor.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I mean, where the fuck else am I supposed to move to? Chicago??

There's this place called the West Coast...

More seriously, I have always enjoyed visiting NYC. I would never EVER want to live there. All it takes are a few humid days or a few winter days to remind me why, the rest of y'all are welcome to it.

NA's initial point about the mediacentric nature of the celebration of the spot is well taken, though. World exists beyond the Hudson River shockah! I'd love to see Woody Allen figure out what the hell to do with himself in Missoula.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What, you think I wasn't bringing the bf? Hell I'm pretty sure if you get him drunk enough something really horrible would happen to that bull, actually. IT'S A DATE. A double date. Too bad Traitor Hand isn't invited, what with his moving to England and all!

The West Coast sucks ass, there are like 4 good things about it.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Solution is clear : Worcester.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The West Coast sucks ass, there are like 4 good things about it.

Of course! Me, Noise Noise Noise, Mexican food and all my friends and family. Hurrah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The solution is clear: Worcester

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

bingo.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mexican food in Cali is overrated if you've ever lived in Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas, sorry.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'll second Nick on this. A huge group of our sort-of-friends/associates are like, "Yeah, we're all movin' up to New York. Everybody's doing it. so-and-so and so-and-so and their friends so-and-so and so-and-so."
Someone else, "Oh you didn't hear so-and-so and so-and-so are going up too?"
Friend:"OH really? Yeah, so that makes... basically everyone."

We are so not cool. It's like, you decide to move to New York and struggle and be poor as crap and that's supposed to suddenly make you one of them.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I want to move to Chloride, AZ.

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mexican food in Cali is overrated if you've ever lived in Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas, sorry.

*bows* You must excuse me. This is more a matter of regional differences than schism (as opposed to talking about Mexican food in those states -- and the country itself -- versus anywhere else in the world, but we've been there).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

worcester has good mexican food. we also have wonderful seafood (at the one seafood restaurant).

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

worcester has many hills. never skateboard in worcester.

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm currently filled with a monstrous urge to hop a flight to da NYC, but that's just cuz one of my old-skool bestest buddies M1c4h L0gsd0n's play (that he wrote, that is) The Working Week and Sunday Rest is dropping this month (opening-night I think is Monday?), and I love my bwoy's work!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I love flips flops. I can walk miles in them. But in the city you kind of want to be able to run away.

Yerac, Sunday, 27 May 2018 20:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

more like a psychological torture chamber than a city, really

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Gotta find the city within the city

calstars, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:37 (one week ago) Permalink

blehhhhhhh

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:38 (one week ago) Permalink

there are many people here who i love. there are many places here that are great. but honestly, so much about this place wears on me.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:39 (one week ago) Permalink

i renewed my lease though

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:40 (one week ago) Permalink

omg, i totally forgot about that Beware the Boys song. I just started playing it and we are dying laughing.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:42 (one week ago) Permalink

This is what happens when I just skim these threads. I should maybe re-read it at some point.

treeship, what happened?

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:44 (one week ago) Permalink

NA you ought to be glad you're rid of such shallow people.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, August 7, 2003 10:03 AM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeeowch

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:47 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm just whining. the proximate cause of my problem is some transit nightmare and then a horrible cab driver who drove in circles for a half hour before finding the williamsburg bridge. but in general, i've felt worn down by the work culture at my job and also i find that when i'm in the city--especially manhattan--i feel this kind of constant, low level anxiety and i'm sick of it

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:49 (one week ago) Permalink

xp

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:49 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah treesh I wish you'd expound. I started a "is NYC dead?" thread a few months ago and I remember you being a bit critical of city life then, too. Genuinely curious which aspects get to you the most.
xp

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:50 (one week ago) Permalink

what's the root of the anxiety?

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Manhattan has too many tourists, too many people. I used to get anxiety having to tell a cab driver to take me to wburg so I always preferred to take the train. I like NYC but I never miss it when I am away. (except for the food and being able to pet lots of dogs).

xpost I think this thread started (by NA) right after that big FAP in NYC over the fourth of July. I wonder what happened.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:54 (one week ago) Permalink

xp i think i just wasn't made to be in that close proximity to that many strangers every day. which is a shitty thing to say, but i think it's true.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:55 (one week ago) Permalink

obviously weekends in williamsburg, greenpoint and fort greene (my haunts) are great. but even then, i sometimes wish i just lived somewhere more anonymous.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:56 (one week ago) Permalink

if i could work in brooklyn i think i would be happier. something about subway commuting just feels like i am descending into hell every morning.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:57 (one week ago) Permalink

You should move to Queens. I felt a lot more relaxed after a decade in williamsburg, even though I was living in a really lowkey area anyway. Some Canadian who had just moved to williamsburg once told me that he loved the L Train because it was like a cocktail party. The trains are terrible.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I worked in Brooklyn a couple of times. For 2-3 years I could walk to work easily. It was soooo amazingly great to never have real need to go into the city.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:01 (one week ago) Permalink

that's a good tip. yeah, maybe i should just prioritize "working in brooklyn" when i look for new jobs. it seems strange but it might make a huge difference. it truly is manhattan that i dislike--it feels like a giant mall, but like one where they locked the doors at night on black friday so everyone is trapped inside.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:07 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't even know what you do but quitting jobs is one of my passions.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:23 (one week ago) Permalink

yerac someday i would like to see a list of all the places you've lived

definitely feeling the nyc tiresomeness lately

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Technically my place of residence has been in nyc since the early 2000s.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:36 (one week ago) Permalink

nyc is for BUYERS

I am outta time here

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:52 (one week ago) Permalink

treesh otm new york sucks

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:53 (one week ago) Permalink

and a lot of my recurring anxieties here are commuting on the subway-related too

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:54 (one week ago) Permalink

morbs, are you really leaving?

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:55 (one week ago) Permalink

The subway is so brittle. I was working last fall for a couple of months with a terrible commute and it distinctly would change once some event like the start of school or a cold snap happened. I would leave almost 45 minutes ahead of time so I could just read and not stress.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:58 (one week ago) Permalink

NYC sucks for sure. I lived in Brooklyn for a while 25+ years ago and it sucked then. I’m happy as hell living in Jersey and only going into NYC once or twice a month (tonight being one of those times).

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 13 April 2019 01:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Yerac I am literally 3-4 months from running out of money, at which point I will either move into my friend's basement, start living on credit, or go to my sister's in CT.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:09 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah but is it a new kind of suck, it the old, classic hectic/stressful/loud/lonely kind of suck. did it suck less, say, in the 90s?

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:10 (one week ago) Permalink

(first 'it' should be 'or', sorry)

Nick Chiveon (rip van wanko), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Some things were bad in the '90s, but you could live here alone if you weren't an investment banker.

The primary new drawbacks (aside from nearly every bar/institution/eatery I liked in 1995 being gone) are the deterioration of mass transit and millions of phone-staring morons impeding my walking.

The cinema choices are better than ever, however.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:14 (one week ago) Permalink

don't live on credit. It will will be even more impossible after. Take the kindness of friends or your sister.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:20 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost i just found after the fact that enid's closed. I didn't completely love it but now it makes sense why people have been talking about that camel for the last couple of weeks.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink

The phone staring morons are everywhere.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink

but it matters more when the byways are mobbed.

I would die of boredom in CT inside a year.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:25 (one week ago) Permalink

i remember elvis telecom, some years ago, remarking on how there was less jaywalking in nyc than he'd remembered. but it was Because of the Phones

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:27 (one week ago) Permalink

I’m happy as hell living in Jersey

Hahahaha

calstars, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:53 (one week ago) Permalink

xpost Nothing is permanent. Live in CT for 3 months, 6 months, 2 years. Regroup, get well. It will be a blip after it's over.

Yerac, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:10 (one week ago) Permalink

it's hard for me to square my concern for morbs with my desire for him to learn how to drive

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Full disclosure: i was lookin to leave this year but i started seeing someone who is incredible. That’s the only reason I’m sticking around for now.

Maybe if I took a job in a less trend-driven industry i wouldn’t feel as aggressively “in new york” as i do now and i could kinda relax about it. There is a sense in which nyc feels like the center of the action, and some people really thrive on that, but i haaaaaaaaaaate that aspect. I just want to be.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:29 (one week ago) Permalink

However, the universe conspired to bring me here, as it didnyears ago to bring me to ilx, and i’ve met amazing people in nyc and learned a lot of (sometimes painful) lessons and maybe i should just trust

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:33 (one week ago) Permalink

morbs' birthday is coming up

let us fap

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:45 (one week ago) Permalink

it's a lose-lose

I have been maladapted to New England for 14 years now, I still feel most at home and most comfortable in nyc and try to get down as often as possible, as I will next weekend, but I know I could probably no longer endure the kind of loneliness-in-a-crowd that it can impose when living there

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:47 (one week ago) Permalink

how there was less jaywalking in nyc than he'd remembered. but it was Because of the Phones

I wish they'd keep jaywalking, it would cull the herd.

mook if I learned to drive someone would die really quickly.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:21 (one week ago) Permalink

my birthday falls on Easter Sunday this year, and it's amazing how many of my heathen NY friends are leaving town to eat ham or whatever

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:32 (one week ago) Permalink

i lived in indiana for a decade, depression is much deadlier than boredom

i can also personally attest that it's possible to be a very bad driver for a very long time and not kill anybody

it's been a long time since i've been to nyc, but i've felt that loneliness-in-a-crowd thing everywhere i've lived!

Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 13 April 2019 10:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Morbs I had forgotten this! Me

Me too! 4/21

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 April 2019 10:36 (one week ago) Permalink

i will put in a vote for non-hipster brooklyn. i get the cemetery and prospect park and some old neighborhood shit and no bars. it's nice.
morbs, you share a birthday with bridget everett!
i would do an ilx hang; it's been a very long time.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:49 (one week ago) Permalink


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