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TS Have you got vs. Have you gotten

do you have?

buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link

have you

mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:17 (one year ago) link

Not talking about the sense of possession, more like “have you got(ten) to the part about…?”

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:40 (one year ago) link

are you at

mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link

have you any wool?

towards fungal computer (harbl), Sunday, 22 May 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link

What matter have you against me?

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link

british people don't consider "gotten" a word iirc

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

That’s changed a lot recently.

Alba, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:15 (one year ago) link

You could say they’ve gotten wise to the hip US lingo

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:17 (one year ago) link

ill-gotten is very ordinary present-day uk english (when used of gains, riches, wealth etc)

etymonline.com dates its hip modernity to the 14c: https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=gotten

(ie like many US variants it's older not newer)

mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:41 (one year ago) link

Best word there is sooterkin.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link

it is a good word definitely

mark s, Sunday, 22 May 2022 20:45 (one year ago) link

I was making a bad joke fwiw

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Monday, 23 May 2022 00:50 (one year ago) link

I'm not at all keen on 'gotten'. But for that matter I'm not keen on 'got' - a very overused, almost ubiquitous word which I don't find at all pretty. As Mark S has already indicated above, it's often not at all necessary to use this word. In James Redd's example, I would say 'Have you reached ... ?'

the pinefox, Monday, 23 May 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link

be careful or you will get got

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 23 May 2022 14:29 (one year ago) link

So my state has outlawed individual plastic bags, which means you have to bring your own shopping bags to the supermarket and basically everywhere else to carry your purchases away. I went to a small supermarket the other day on a whim and didn't have a bag with me, so I was forced to buy one for 99 cents. Anyway, it says on the side

"Thank You for Shopping With us!"

capitalized exactly like that. Shouldn't that obviously be "Thank You for Shopping with Us!"?

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 23 May 2022 16:52 (one year ago) link

Maybe they thought it was a two-letter word and therefore should be capitalized? Or maybe it is some weird patriotic thing.

I used to use a free bag somebody gave me from the NYC DoS or some other agency, but I finally lost it and ending up getting a nice foldable one from the local gift shop that wasn't too expensive which I love, although now I am paranoid since I don't have it on me and don't quite remember where I put it.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link

Should be lowercased, I meant to say.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link

All lowercase and all caps both solutions to a certain problem.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link

CamelCase to thread!

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:06 (one year ago) link

all lowercase is always correct

mark s, Monday, 23 May 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link

also check yrself once you start proofing plastic bags, there's a lot of vernacular house style out there and you will lose yr mind to no purpose

mark s, Monday, 23 May 2022 17:18 (one year ago) link

all lowercase is always correct

Similar to always dressing in black, like Johnny Cash or Steven Meisel.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:19 (one year ago) link

thats right

mark s, Monday, 23 May 2022 17:23 (one year ago) link

Shouldn't that obviously be "Thank You for Shopping with Us!"?

Personally speaking, I'd lose the exclamation point as making them sound over-excitable and perhaps mentally unbalanced.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link

Should really be: “Thank You for Shopping with ‘us!’”

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link

Thank You for Shopping with BIG HOOS aka the streendriver

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:32 (one year ago) link

Songs where it’s fun to say HOOS in place of the actual plastic bag.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link

Perhaps I will start posting in HOOS case.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link

DO U see?!

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link

LET ME TRY this on for size.

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 17:36 (one year ago) link

TS: ALL OF A SUDDEN VS. all of the sudden

Apollo and the Aqueducts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 May 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Can I use "occasioned" like this?

the publication of X occasioned the first use of some new word

Note that the new word doesn't appear in X itself but appears in a review of X.

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link

It's grammatical enough, and "occasioned" is certainly an accepted word, so I'd say 'yes' to your question.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link

this usage is uncontroversially fine: if i was bored or being testy as an acitivist sub editor i might switch in "saw" or "led to" depending on context (context = nature of nearby sentences acc my picky sub self lol) viz "the publication of X saw the first use of some new word"/"the publication of X led to the first use of some new word"

gloss: if "occasioned" maybe possibly presents a micro-speedbump for a reader, i think "saw" presents none, while "led to" perhaps implies the fact you note, that the new word arrives a little later than X…

mark s, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:26 (one year ago) link

you might also use "prompted"

but your sentence is fine as is imo

budo jeru, Friday, 1 July 2022 15:03 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I think "occasioned" there is a little overwritten and that with a little bit of effort "led to" would be much more readable.

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Friday, 1 July 2022 16:31 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

saw (a young person) referred to as a 'third-generation holocaust survivor'

obviously the topic is fraught, but it seems like there should be a better way to describe someone whose grandparents survived the camps

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2024 01:55 (four months ago) link

A completely uncontroversial way to say that would be "a grandchild of Holocaust survivors."

And while - as mòokieproof says - it is fraught, it does seem a bit much to imply that you "survived" an event that you did not personally experience.

I am not, personally, a survivor of the Visigothic Sack of Rome, the Protestant Reformation, the Irish Potato Famine, the Trail of Tears, the American Revolution, the Civil War, or school desegregation.

Maybe (stretching this quite a bit) I have experienced some personal effects from the Cold War and/or the Vietnam War due to my parents' participation in them, but calling myself a "survivor" seems more like stolen valor than empathy and solidarity.

CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2024 04:19 (four months ago) link


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