it's kinda dumb zero sum game thinking, the idea that the kiosks automatically equate to lost jobs. so far, all of the reports have shown otherwise, that companies have had to increase their staff as the automation has led to more orders coming in.
the idea that you're saving someone's job by going to the cashier is horseshit - greedy multinational corporations like McDonald's will cut labor whenever they can, kiosk or no kiosk. what isn't horseshit is that McDonald's is still underpaying their employees and deliberately underscheduling them, preferring to have a larger staff that works 15-20 hours a week rather than full-timers.
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:14 (four years ago) link
IIRC it's mainly mobile/delivery orders driving things up? To the extent that it's creating supply/labor problems
― Simon H., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:16 (four years ago) link
yeah, mostly because there's no control in place to manage the influx of orders. pre-online ordering, you could only get orders as fast as your staff could input them. now you can get slammed with a ton of online orders simultaneously, without warning. and Uber Eats/Postmates/etc orders as well.
the Popeyes near me, when the new sandwich was re-released, were basically obliterated - ran out of beverages many days because in addition to the insane walk-up and drive-thru traffic, there were tons of people placing Uber Eats orders and there were maybe five employees in the whole building.
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:32 (four years ago) link
I had occasion to talk with a regional manager for Macca’s the other week. He said the screens had driven a significant uptake in per transaction sales, people are less embarrassed with upsizing and adding on through the screen. That said 70% of sales are through the drive through window with delivery driving growth. UberEATS basically created a new category for them.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 05:00 (four years ago) link
So do you not want McDonald's to exist, or do you want it to exist but not have human workers?
the latter. humans should mostly paint
sry to strike poses; obv utopia isn't coming soon. but it's coming sooner than the effects of automation under capitalism are gonna be alleviated by telling someone you want a big mac
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 05:13 (four years ago) link
The jobs that cant be automated - preparing the food and maintaining hygiene standards - still need to be done, only with the screens there are less staff to do them. When you don't use the screen, you're pulling a staff member away from a job that they need to complete. In effect it is adding extra work to their day, making it harder for them to leave on time. These companies aren't going to add staff, they're just going to command the existing limited pool of staff to work harder/faster. I don't like to see jobs and hours cut but for the workers on the frontline, my interruption of their tasks to do a job that can easily be done by a screen doesn't help them. I imagine its really frustrating having some boomer come up and harass you about menu options when you just want to finish refilling the McFlurry machine or whatever.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 07:58 (four years ago) link
Good discussion
Thanking u all for the license to continue combining vaguely liberal pieties with antipathy for saying things to ppl
― they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 09:34 (four years ago) link
Believe me, I feel you. It's the same argument I have with myself over not doing more charitable work. I want to help people without having to actually be around people.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
i'm not that averse to talking to people, but i also get tired of the 700th smug brag from libs that "I saved jobs today, I didn't use the self checkout like other assholes"
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
And, lo, the devil watched vigilantly over the thread as it wobbled at the precipice, waiting for just the right moment to nudge it into the morass of intractable clusterfuckdom.
― What Would Spoonman Do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
Is that from The Crow?
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link
Crow 2 iirc
― What Would Spoonman Do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
let them eat it
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
iirc charities like help but they prefer money
― they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
i was today years old when i learned i was a charity
― A victim managed to capture evidence of the gimp (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
― they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:51 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
for sure, and I do donate pretty widely, it just feels lazier to me.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
i like help but i prefer rubber soul
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:36 (four years ago) link
The commercial otm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuTvQ8bhPVw
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:42 (four years ago) link
I can't tell you how revolutionary the Chicken McNuggets were in the early Reagan era for many of us who loathed burgers.q
OTM. Did they come before the Happy Meal or was it right around then?
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:46 (four years ago) link
After!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:48 (four years ago) link
in the year 2525Big Mac combo no longer comes with friesPatties are smaller, condiments aren't freeThey're delivered through your TV
In the year 3535Your Filet of Fish has googly eyesThere's no bun, no random piece of cheeseAnd the fish might have contracted disease
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:59 (four years ago) link
hahahahaha
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 08:54 (four years ago) link
McNugget Trivia Corner:
According to McDonald's, the nuggets come in four shapes: the bell, the bow-tie, the ball and the boot. The reason for the four different shapes is to ensure consistent cooking times for food safety.[7][8] Four shapes were chosen because McDonalds states "The 4 shapes we make Chicken McNuggets in was the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun. 3 would’ve been too few. 5 would’ve been, like, wacky."[9]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQzTR_FTBw0
― Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
I remember when McNuggets first came out. I pounced on those suckers like a cat on a mouse.
My wife and I were just discussing the old McDonald's styrofoam packaging, and how they were vaguely color-coded. (Especially the blue Filet O'Fish.)
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/10/1386691210212/Styrofoam.png?width=1010&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=2043d173c31400872615968f75591569
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
yeah that was a classic design (which is clearly monstrously irresponsible, cough)
― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
It really was. It was so satisfying popping that little styrofoam tab and lifting the lid to reveal your Big Mac!
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTSdUOC8Kac
― Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:55 (four years ago) link
I remember 15 years ago they did this 20 nuggets for $2 special, which back then was like "can't afford not to". I know people who would get 2 and wolf 'em all down like it was nothing. fwiw I still think the nuggets are good. if you get them from say BK or Wendy's they're always super dried out and extra salty but the McNuggets are different, possibly because they don't really taste too much like chicken to me. but they're good. in fact I think McD's does chicken pretty well. don't like their burgers at all though
― frogbs, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfH3yf-vf3A
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
fess up, who else did the menu song contest where they gave you a floppy record and you played it to see if you won? basically menu song had to be sung right in its entirety and if they fucked up the song on the record, you lost
the issue with the nuggets is that if you're going to eat them it really has to be immediately, they're inedible within like 10 minutes
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
xpost (hands up) Yo. Pretty sure I still have that floppy stuck between a couple old LPs somewhere.
― Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
xp yeah, nuggets that have been sitting for any length of time are basically
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B6wAAOSwQLVcNmDd/s-l400.jpg
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link
I don't know whether McDonald's did the flexidisc thing in the UK but I'd heard of this thing from a podcast last year: https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/lost-notes/a-million-dollars-worth-of-plastic
― Tim, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:28 (four years ago) link
McNugget Trivia Corner:According to McDonald's, the nuggets come in four shapes: the bell, the bow-tie, the ball and the boot. The reason for the four different shapes is to ensure consistent cooking times for food safety.[7][8] Four shapes were chosen because McDonalds states "The 4 shapes we make Chicken McNuggets in was the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun. 3 would’ve been too few. 5 would’ve been, like, wacky."[9]― Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, December 4, 2019 2:38 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, December 4, 2019 2:38 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
And they have been polled!
Best McNugget Shape
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
Would that the system allow me to use that entire Wikipedia passage as my dn. Alas.
― the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
The Bell, The Bow-Tie, The Ball and The Candle
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
The Bell, The Bow-tie, and the Arm of the Lord
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
VP of McNugget Development: 'Okay, guys, let's get this sorted: how many different McNugget shapes are we going for here?'Exec 1: 'Um...how about three?'(general furor arises)VP of McNugget Development: 'What the fuck...get out. You're fired, you piece of shit. That's far too few McNugget variations. You fuck. Anyone else?'Exec 2: (sheepishly) 'Would...would five be sufficient?'(sheer pandemonium rocks the boardroom)VP of McNugget Development: 'ARE YOU HIGH? Who could even process that number of McNugget configurations?! Dear god!'(exec 3's head literally explodes from attempting to process the number 5)Exec 4: 'Sir, I know I'm taking a huge risk here, but...I'm going to have to say four.'(order is restored)VP of McNugget Development: (awed) 'Yes. Yes, of course. Four is...it's beautiful. Son, please come and take my seat, I'm retiring effective immediately.'
― the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
The Bell, The Bow-Tie, The Ball and The Candle― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:07 (five minutes ago) link
Coincidentally, the "The Tree And The Bird And The Fish And The Bell" Glasgow comp has songs "Are You Ready to Be Heartbroken?" and "Regret".
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
having real trouble deciding which display name to go with from that nugget trivia corner
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
Big "fuck it, we're doing five blades" energy.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
In regards to the snippet I've chosen for my dn, I have to say they hit the nail right on the head. Dipping a McNugget is simplicity itself, and as for fun, well, I can't say I've ever enjoyed myself quite as much as when I sink a piping-hot McNugget into that tublet of viscous Sweet n' Sour Sauce. I weep when the moment has passed.
― the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
without humblebragging, i'm trying to remember when i last ate at a mcdonalds. it would have to have been over 25 years at this point. is it better than it was in the 80's?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
am i hallucinating or did mcnuggets switch to almost being completely white meat awhile back?
― omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
forks, I fell off the wagon a few years back (and even then mostly only when traversing great expanses of Midwestern interstate) after a decade+ of abstention and can report that it tastes almost precisely as I remembered.
― the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
The only actively bad thing I ever had was a McSalad but then what the fuck was I even thinking ordering something with fresh + real ingredients at a McDonalds.
― the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
i lived on taco bell, wendys and little caesars for years in college; moving to a major city sorta makes eating at a mcdonalds seem like a particularly bad idea when you can get anonymous chinese food or fried chicken for the same price and it might actually be good
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
It's a godsend when you've just spent the last hour driving past hundreds of windmills and little else that's suggestive of human habitation.
― the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link