San Francisco and what to do in it

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So. Clarke B. [from ILM] and I are going to San Fran. in mid-August for about 2 weeks or so. Neither of us has been to CA [or the West Coast for that matter] so we need some advice. If you had 2 weeks to spend in the area, would you spend all of it in San Fran? What about a week in SF and a week in Portland?

What are some things in either city that we shouldn't miss [touristy or otherwise]? Record stores (we've got Amoeba covered)? Good places to get a brew, brah? What about music venues? Favorite restaurants? Coffee? Anything would be helpful at this point, since we don't know what we're doing.

We'd also be up for hanging out, FAPing, whatever with anyone in the area. Thanks!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

there are a lot of gays

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and hippies

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

whoo! unwashed buttsex

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, we were going to go to Germany, but what with all the Nazis and all... Seriously, though, any help you could provide would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Aquarius records in the Mission district is essential and key. So's the Basque restaurant, but i'm not remembering exactly where it is. Maybe Mr. Barrus will manifest himself and make the hidden known.

There's a couple of ferry/harbor cruises that give you a great view of things. Can't recommend directly by name, however. I know, i'm useless.

City Lights bookstore? Yeah, you should hit that too.

Isotope Lounge on i think Noriega is a great comic shop, if you're into that sort of thing.

You could always go score at Golden Gate Park, too. That's good for a chuckle...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You guys are also going to come down to LA of course. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

City Lights - YES!
O'Farrell Theater - worth it just for the anecdotes.
Love the Exploratorium and all of the museums - if you've the time and car access and so forth, run south to Santa Cruz and Monterey Bay.

And, oddly enough, there is an excellent Japanese restaurant down at the Pier 39 (ir whatever) tourist mecca - hidden about two blocks down from the Ripley's museum - on the same side of the road - beautful - traditional service - a real treat.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ooooohhhh and also try to find an older taxi-driver (one that looks like they've been in SF for a long time) and pay them to take you on a tour - explain that you want to experience the thrill of rushing up and down the hills at full speed. It's worth it.

And check-out Glide Memorial Church, in the tenderloin - wonderful, beautiful, a bit scary, and it's one of the few places in the U.S. that you can share your pew with TVs and prostitutes and dominatrixes and so forth - I love it!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink is very good, with a well currated, if smallish collection. the asian musuem is wonderful, almost encyopedic and one of the best buildings in a long time.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

throw rocks at the borribles.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

after City Lights go have a beer at Cafe Vesuvio for me. Yeah, it's Beat-tourist-fake-chic, but it's cool anyway. Screw hataz, I got wrecked in that place.

And what's the name of that restaurant on the highway that looks right over the ocean? My mom and brother and I almost got thrown out of there for causing a drunken ruckus.

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so the real answer is: DRINK

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

bay guardian
east bay express
sf weekly

record stores:
amoeba (haight/stanyan)
aquarius (21st/valencia)
open mind (oak/divisadero)

brew brah:
toronado (haight/fillmore)
kilowatt (16th/albion)
zeitgeist (13th/valencia)
call 415-863-8350 and make a reservation for the anchor brewery tour, best deal in town (ie, free and plentiful beer).

music venues:
hemlock (polk/hemlock)
bottom of the hill (17th/missouri)
379 40th st (oakland)

music listings:
the list

the luggage store (market/6th)
5024 (fillmore/waller)
111 minna

el castillito (church/duboce) cheap mexican
farolito (24th/mission) cheap mexican
hotei (9th/irving) mid price ramen house
indian oven (haight/fillmore) mid price indian
kay cheung (jackson/ross) cheap dim sum
pakwan (16th/guerrero) cheap pakistani
powells (hayes/octavia) cheap soul food/fried chicken
sawa (divisadero/hayes) mid price eritrean
shimo (25th/clement) mid price japanese
thep phanom (haight/waller) mid price thai
yummy yummy (11th/irving) cheap pho house

uh... i can go on and on here...

this is a start let me know what else you want. i can get the MSP to add some east bay recommendations as he is more familiar with that area than i am...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you happen to go to Coit Tower, you can throw rocks down the hill and try to hit gygax at work

more record stores:
grooves (1797 Market) -- all vinyl
groove merchant (687 Haight St) -- all vinyl. soul, jazz, breaks. kinda like a west coast dusty groove
street light (3979 24th St @ Noe) & (2350 Market St @ Castro)

more food:
la taqueria (mission @ 25th) -- my favorite carne asada burritos
bean bag (hayes @ divisidero) -- cheap good pasta. get the trieste
asqew grill (1607 haight) -- amazing skewers and mashed potatoes
cha cha cha (upper haight near amoeba) -- great tapas and sangria

don't miss the Exploratorium. hands on science experiments. cool shit. makes you feel like a kid again.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is great, you guys. I'm super-excited about cheap but good food, and I was planning to check out Anchor anyway -- I love their beer. How feasible is it to do a day trip to, like, Napa Valley for instance?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Napa's an easy day trip. it's about an hour and a half or so from the city. you might even want to just go to Sonoma. it's pretty much the same thing, but maybe 1/2 hour closer. the drive there can be kinda rough. the little lady gets sea sick every time we go there.

and i know we've named specific places where you'd go, but there are great areas to go shopping in.

obviously there's Haight. Upper Haight (from masonic to stanyan) is a 5-6 block area of commodified rebellion. record stores, food, clothing, tattoos. yada yada. Lower Haight (webster to scott) is a little less compacted, but has a few record stores (more on the dj side of stuff), restaurants, and flea market-y kindsa places.

Union Square is where all the name brand kinda stores are. lotsa department stores, nike town, mall-ish kinda stuff. but there are maybe 5-10 square blocks of shopping and eating there's also a Rasputins music and a Virgin Megastore. and Blondies, next to rasputin, is probably one of the best pizza joints in town.

the castro has a bunch of stuff to do (records, food), but i wouldn't really go shopping for clothes there unless you wanna look like you went shopping at International Male

and then in Berkeley, across the bay bridge, there's Telegraph Ave, which is kinda like upper Haight. there's an Amoeba, Rasputins and Blondies there too.

(you can see from my recomendations the only things i spend my money on are music and food)

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

a couple other good watering holes:
edinburgh castle - (geary/polk) scottish pub
500 club (17th/guerrero)
uptown (17th/capp)

you guys gonna rent a car? napa/sonoma are 1 hour's drive north. let me know if you want recommendations for vineyards.
(my favorite tasting room that i'd recommend for you young hipster dudes is bonny doon in santa cruz... about 90 minutes south of SF)

best pizza:
tomasso's (broadway/montgomery) - ranked top 5 pizzas in the USA by i forget who
zachary's (rockridge and n. berkeley - east bay) - unbelievable deep dish / stuffed pies

decent clothes shopping in the castro: Rolo but find a $ugar daddy first.

neighborhood guides

the mission district has decent shopping/peoplewatching between 16th and 24th streets bordered east/west by mission and valencia. bars/restaurants/shops (aquarius is here, as are some of the tacquerias mentioned above).

haight street between masonic and stanyan draws the line between hippy and hipster.

north beach (columbus between filbert and jackson and adjacent blocks) is nice on a sunny day, washington square park, st. peter/paul cathedral, italian cafes, some funny record stores: 101 records, the basement of 513 green st. @ grant is probably the only record store of it's kind in existance. there is one small block of hipsterism around powell and columbus.

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

eat Rice-A-Roni straight from the source

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fantastic stuff here from gygax! and others. To add just a few more:

Frjtz on Hayes street is awesome Belgian fries, and BPM right next door is maybe the city's best dance-music specialist (smallish place, but they'll let you listen to anything in stock, CDs as well as vinyl)

Also more online listings:
transbay calendar

Paul will not be in Santa Cruz in August (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

best indian restaurants are rasoi on valencia @ 21st (next to Aquarius Records) and, allegedly, the two adjacent indian places next door to the Hemlock on Polk, one of which is expensive, one of which is cheap, and they share the same kitchen.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Some good bars:
Laszlo (on Mission - part of the Foreign Cinema restaurant - which is great too)
Tunnel Top (on Bush)
Beauty Bar (on Mission - depends on the night, but great bar DJ and people going wild dancing)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Damn, I have to get to that Foreign Cinema place in the next few weeks, though the website kind of scares me with it's pomposity and pretension.

Now that I'm (kind of) a native, I can recommend a Greek restaurant called Kokkari..."something" in the Financial District, but it's not cheap.

The coffee in Berkeley all smells amazing. Try it for me, as it looks like I'm off the evil bean indefinitely, damnit.

I expect Sean to pop up and recommend Jardiniere in Hayes Valley, as he usually does. ;)

If it's a nice day, get a ferry over to Sausalito, but don't bother getting off. It's full of rats.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

more neighborhoods:

Nob Hill = MUST SEE: grace cathedral park (nabisco and chris v. *cry* on cue). also: fancy hotels, aristocratic history of last 150 years of SF, good views, in between union square and china town but it's a hike. the fairmont hotel has a super cheezy (but fun! or ?) tiki bar that has a decent happy hour... $5-6 but very potent drinks.

Potrero Hill:
not too much to see, but if you go to Bottom Of The Hill head up to 18th street between Connecticut and Arkansas, there is a couple good shops/restaurants/cafes... i recommend the coffee place (have no idea what it's called) and Eliza's for reasonable "gwai lo" style Hunan/Mandarin hybrid. Very good. Not sure how authentic you want your chinese food but this is good for SF-style. just west down mariposa from the bottom of the hill is the parkside another great bar that has good live music sometimes.

The Tenderloin:
The seedy underbelly of SF. Don't let it scare you, it's actually pretty mellow despite a high-profile of crime (sex/drugs). Lots of music happenings here: The Great American Music Hall (capacity 800), the Hemlock, the Edinburgh Castle (sometimes great shows/readings upstairs). Naan & Curry (o'farrell/leavenworth) is a easy/great/cheap indian. the big vietnamese place (i'm blanking on the name) on geary/larkin is not bad, the spicy shrimp appetizer will probably blow your head off if you're into that sort of thing.

inner sunset:
centered around 9th/irving lots of shops/restaurants cafes, more of a residential neighborhood. i recommended a couple asian restaurants in this area for good reason.

inner richmond:
across golden gate park from the sunset, there is some great shopping to be done on clement street... try green apple books (clement/5th), the best bookstore in SF, they have music too. there's lots of restaurants/large theatres (balboa/coronet) in this area too...

if you go to the cafe du norde for a show, head up market until it just can't get any queerer. in the mid-70s the castro replaced polk street as cruiser central and there's no turning back now. the castro theatre is the nicest theater i've set my foot in, excellent arty indie-friendly programming (i've seen yo la tengo and superchunk score silent films here)... beautiful beaux arts bronzework inside, you won't be treated to the pipe organist during matinees, but the evening program is worth coming early for the wurlitzer short performance.

[sidenote - excellent rep/revival theatres:
the red vic - haight/cole
roxie cinema - 16th/valencia [kindly note: check back on this link in two weeks]

Home of your SF Giants. Even if you hate baseball, you will have a good time at PacBell Park. Sitting along the bay a short walk/Muni ride from downtown, you can get standing room tickets for $8 and sneakily find a seat and enjoy the game. Food/drink is expensive but try the bratwurst/hot dogs with grilled onions at the stand around section 104/105 ($4-$6) if that's your scene. Unless you go on Sunday, you stand a good chance of seeing the greatest player in the game (ever?) hit a homerun into the bay. (Aug 5-10;19-24)

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh wow - thank you guys so so much. i haven't even had time to read all of this closely but i already know that it's majorly helpful. :) :)

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm printing this thread out, now I just need a job...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...Also, the one thing I had in London I can't yet find in SF- a shitty little record store that is actually full of cheap promos and pre-releases that I can hawk on ebay at profit. Is that asking so much?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the problem with (most) san francisco record stores is that the staff actually know what they're doing. the buyers and used buyers actually know what a product is worth before they price it.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah Nordic, you're the only one with that idea here... :-p

that being said, i still find some great stuff in the bargain bins at amoeba (which are bigger than most stores inventories) it's just so colossal and chaotic that it scares away most people.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Amoeba makes my palms sweaty.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so that was you the other day!?!

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Foreign Cinema is really not pretentious at all (although, yeah, the website is all Flash nonsense), go late and then hit Laszlo and have a Blood Orange drink.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well, it's as unpretentious as a restaurant that plays foreign movies on a huge wall while you eat can be.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(i have never gone there nor has anyone that i know!)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not surprised gygax, you're always so contrarian!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no i'm not

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(you totally just missed your chance on asking me out btw)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Cafe Abir is a nice place to hang out in and drink coffee or beer or stuff. It's on that road that wiggles a bit and then turns into Castro.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that's on the northwest corner of divisadero/fulton (great sushi secret spot next door but it's not quite student-priced). ask JasonD if he remembers.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

(I kid, I kid - post-burst SF is actually supremely pleasant again)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Can I say how much I love the phrasing in the thread title? It's like San Francisco is this big bucket of puddy you soothe your body in.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tsunami (the place gygax is talking about) was the best sushi i've ever had in my entire life. but that's because we sat at the bar and gygax knew the chef.

i went back a few weeks later and had the worst experience in my entire life. bad service, a waitress that wispers even though the music is loud, and she has a tongue ring and has a lisp so you can't understand her even if she did speak up. they made us sit at a super small table (like 2 square feet) for 5 people. and half of the table had this artsy rock formation in the middle of it. we had to put our drinks on the ground because there wasn't enough room. the food was good, but the service was bad, which made the food kinda bad.

moral of story is, go there with gygax or don't go there at all.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

San Francisco is very much a roulette wheel as far as my experiences. A lot of really, really great people, and also a lot of really, really smug assholes.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

a nice neighborhood bar/dance spot The Make Out Room on 22nd ST near Mission, good drinks, reasonable, good acoustics, nice crowd mix, LGTB as well as straight dot com blowouts. The coffee house across the street is nice, has outdoor tables, a Zapatista theme. Open late. In North Beach a cheap vietnamese resturant called My Cam something btwn Grant and Stockton on Broadway, and of course the sites and sounds of the can lady (a reycling matron in the Asian community). The Castro is great if you want, late food: Baghdad Cafe Noe & Mrkt, and if your a quality bitch: The Castro Smoke Shop on Castro has fresh fags.

jameluc, Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

well, better than smogville. i did inform you that i might be relocating , stop rubbing it in. (JasonD please treat as CONFIDENTIAL! PLEASE)

wrt "the boom"!: The boom wasn't so bothersome (so long as you ignored the establishments that catered to the boomers...) i mean really spencer, nothing says "dotcom SF" like foreign cinema:

"We were kind of the place for the chic, young, Prada-wearing, cell phone-carrying, CNBC-watching crowd, and for a while we were packed every night," explained Bruce McDonald, owner of the Foreign Cinema restaurant in San Francisco's Mission district.

Foreign Cinema, located in a spacious warehouse, complete with a wall-sized movie screen for diners' entertainment, used to serve 400 people a night. That number fell to as few as 30 late last year, as unemployment in the Internet sector mounted and surviving dot-com companies started watching their pennies.

To try to win back customers, Foreign Cinema recently revamped its pricey French Bistro menu to offer somewhat lower priced American comfort food like pork chops.

The film fare has changed, from esoteric foreign films to some cheerier all-American musicals like "Singing in the Rain." Comfort entertainment to go with the comfort food, which it is serving in increasingly large portions.

Foreign Cinema sees its moves as critical to its survival. It wants to reach out to an older, somewhat less stylish crowd that may not have money to burn but has enough to eat out from time to time.

"I do mourn the old days," McDonald said. "Life was a hell of a lot easier and you could count on a lot of money coming in. Now you have to work hard for it."


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm starting a new thread to keep this one on topic.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i'm gonna group stuff in regions... word to the wise... PARKING SUCKS. it's better and cheaper than parking in the city, but it still can be tricky. BART if you can.

berkeley, university ave and shattuck.

straight off the downtown berkeley bart.

modlang ( - for latest uk imports. lot's of garage and psych stuff. very pop-oriented.

the comic store next to modlang rocks. i can't remember the name.

crepes a go-go... my favorite crepe place in the bay. i like it because it's not as frou frou as all those dumbass gourmet places. the (dark) chocolate, banana, coconut crepe is just perfect in semi-sweetness, texture, and fillingness.

there's a lot more in this area foodwise, etc. great china. sushiboat (or sushico). thai e sun.

if you head north on shattuck you find the gourmet ghetto where nouveau cuisine came from. the cheese board is the shit there for breads and cheeses. there's a deli next to a pegasus books that also rocks. barney's burgers is good. cha'am on shattuck is really really good thai.

berkeley... telegraph and durant

a 10 minute stroll up from downtown berkeley BART...

amoeba - the berkeley location doesn't have as good a used selection but the new stuff is just as together and it's a block down from rasputin's, which is another large store that isn't amoeba haight, but still decent. rasputins has a BUTTLOAD of seven inches. that's right. a buttload. both of these stores are also in the telegraph area of berkeley which has both moe's and cody's books, and more ... plus lot's of great food.

cafe intermezzo has awesome pbhb sandwiches...peanut butter honey and banana on big, thick wheat bread. the salads there are easily two meals and really good.

blue nile... great egyptian food.

top dog on durant is a favorite for hot dogs and stuff.

king pin donut on durant will make you fat with glee. the buttermilk donuts are pretty awesome. it's also on the end of the asian hallway... where you can pretty much get fast food asian of many different varieties. some better than others... but generally edible.

this area's also pretty well hooked up with vintage clothing stores and stuff and lot's of street vendors with all the dirty hippie hook ups you could possibly want.

Rockridge at college ave... off Rockridge Bart station.

great food... zacharay's deep dish chicago pizza is the shit.

pearl of siam is decent thai.

cactus taqueria is one of my favorite burrito joints... it's right off the bart there. it's probably not authentic enough... but it's all natural and way good.

barney's is there if you want burgers and shakes and curly fries that rock.

there's a dreyers ice cream store here. yum!

also on this stop is pendragon books... a small place that's pretty well packed... and another book store that's south on college on the right that i can't remember the name. both are very tasteful and have a great collection of the latest bits.

saturn records kicks ass. it's a small crowded place. there's a small section of spockmorgue weirdo stuff you can't find most places. it's also one of the best place in the bay area to find collector's vinyl. if you wanna tempt yourself with $30 trips to rarity heaven, saturn will probably do you right. i also like it cause they've got very condensed sections of certain types of music. pan through their punk section and you'll find the best of the best. you won't find the latest or the rare name... but there's a quality you usually don't find at most stores in the area.

i could describe a few other hoods... but but but...

msp, Friday, 4 July 2003 00:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, I didn't realize there was so much to do in Berkeley. We were only thinking of staying a night or two there (we're staying in hostels, aka we're poor) but maybe we should add a night or two on there, since that's the cheaper hostel anyway. I mean, I guess central San Fran and Berkeley aren't that far apart anyways, but good to know. Thank you so much!!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Cesar in Berkeley, next to Chez Panisse, is a very fun place to go in the afternoon, or at around 9pm. Great Tapas and very well designed space.

Also, I always eat at a Barney's whenever I'm in the Bay Area. The curly-fries are great for hangovers!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, we booked the flight and everything! We'll be in town August 14th through the 26th... Now we need a listening itinerary... If you were to plan a trip to SF, what 5 or 10 CDs would you take? ;-)

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 04:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

wasn't particularly fond of it as a venue, but if SF can be plus one music venue and minus one awful upscale bar with generic ambiance and drinks/food, that's a victory.

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COME TO MY TAPE RELEASE SHOW, EVERYONE. ALSO REVIEW MY TAPE (how do ppl get stuff reviewed i so confused)

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 22:47 (six months ago) Permalink

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I'll see if I can get the wife to go/get babysitting

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 23:06 (six months ago) Permalink

Yeah for me it'll be a matter of staying awake. (Flippant but: usually out by 10 pm these days.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 23:08 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm gonna try to make it just b/c that flyer's so rad.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 23:40 (six months ago) Permalink

And b/c Chaki.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 23:41 (six months ago) Permalink

I think I have to work that night. :(

Who gets to clean up after MOM?

sansa riff (sarahell), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 23:59 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Wolf Eyes tonight and tomorrow night at the peacock lounge. I'm going tonight. Looking forward to finally catching SBSM.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 26 October 2017 03:13 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

What's a good place for breakfast/brunch on a Monday morning in San Francisco or Oakland?

Moodles, Friday, 17 November 2017 06:30 (three months ago) Permalink

Swan Oyster Depot

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 17 November 2017 07:39 (three months ago) Permalink

Swan is great. I had a good breakfast at Plow in Potrero Hill.

mizzell, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:18 (three months ago) Permalink

you will wait for hours at Plow lol. just go to
pork store

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink

Pork store is good

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:26 (three months ago) Permalink

st francis fountain my dogg

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 17 November 2017 15:29 (three months ago) Permalink

Also good

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 November 2017 15:37 (three months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

My wife and I will be in San Francisco for a few nights this summer, late July. I hit up ILX at large for Montreal recommendations last year and it worked out really well, right down to the airbnb location, so I thought I'd do the same for SF. So ... any recommendations for neighborhoods, locations, things to be aware of when booking hotels/airbnb/etc? And obviously if someone has had a great specific experience staying at a particular airbnb, that would be super helpful as well.

It's been eons since I've been to this city, we're pretty excited.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I would stay in Castro/Duboce Triangle/Hayes Valley/Lower Haight/Western Addition area myself as it's super Central and easy to walk/bus around from and not quite as tourist-y as Union Square/North Beach/Fisherman's Wharf/etc. The city's very small and public transit even from the avenues runs pretty frequently so there are no real bad choices as far as where to stay although I'd check Google Maps to and from an address to just double-check how long it takes to get stuff you're super into.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks! The most specific recommendations I've received so far have been to a) stay in the Mission between Valencia and Guerrero and b) avoid Fisherman's Wharf. Seems like a lot of the big hotels are in ... Union Square? But I don't know if we're going the big hotel route.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's the big hotels and if you're not going that route or just simply don't care, don't bother. Alex in SF's recommendations are correct.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Muir Woods now requires parking and shuttle reservations so if you were planning on going there you'll want to reserve your spot sooner than later.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Not positive we're going to Muir Woods, though I think we're going to take a bike tour, so that might be on the menu. The only thing for sure we have figured out (we will be making our way down the coast, more or less, beginning in Eureka through Mendocino and the Sonoma Valley) is a night tour of Alcatraz, which will sell out but which doesn't go on sale until 90 days beforehand.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

We got a great deal at a boutique hotel near Market & 5th when we went back in 2016. It worked well, since it's pretty easy to get around. I recommend dinner at Nopa and getting the cioppino at Sotto Mare (not typically a seafood guy, but I loved it).

Alcatraz tour was way more fun than I expected, but make sure to book it ahead - we missed the window for getting the night tour, which would've been even cooler.

We did a day trip that started out in the morning at Muir Woods then up to Napa/Sonoma for a winery tour. Thought it worked nicely.

Other things we enjoyed:
walking the Sutro Baths "ruins"
getting Pliny the Elder on tap
Coit Tower
De Young museum
Amoebea/Rasputin for record shopping
walking by the old Aquarius locations to see the sign and weep silently
City Lights bookstore

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 February 2018 16:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oops, clearly Aquarius "location"

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 February 2018 16:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oh, if you go to Nopa for dinner, follow up with pies at Chile Pies Baking Co. great pies

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 February 2018 16:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As touristy as north beach is, Specs and Vesuvio's are both pretty great bars.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 1 February 2018 16:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Alcatraz is indeed worth it.

I think we're going to take a bike tour

How many miles have you got in you? There's a lot of fantastic choices.

Short: Bike across GG Bridge to Tiburon ferry dock, take ferry back (if you go in the reverse direction, there's ~250ft climb up to the bridge)
Pretty long: Bike to Muir Beach and back
As long as you'd like: Bike north through Marin and Sonoma, take SMART train back (various options to get back from San Rafael)

And of course you can go east (but hot in July) or south (Hwy 1 to Santa Cruz) too.

fajita seas, Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

if you find yourself in north beach tony geminani's pizza slice joint (by stockton and filbert iirc) is pretty stellar and a nice little walk to/from coit tower. also, land's end (where geary street ends at the beach), i think that's the same as the sutro bath ruins, is really nice on a warm day. and Swan's is always the bomb (cash only) for oysters, house cured salmon and other fishy delights

freedom is not having to measure life with a ruler (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yesterday Kate and I were at this new spot in Chinatown before a reading at City Lights:

Very self-consciously higher end than a lot of what is around it. The layout's nice and the food was excellent, so there's that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Since you're starting in Eureka go to Humboldt Redwood State Park on your way south. After that, no need to go to Muir Woods.

Last time we were in the Eureka area we stayed in Trinidad, about 10 miles north of Eureka. They have a great little coastal community. Highly recommended if you want to get away from it all.

that's not my post, Thursday, 1 February 2018 19:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the new joint across from nopa, barvale, is p good.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 1 February 2018 19:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

All these recommendations have been great, thanks! Keep 'em coming!

Re: the bike tour, we have pretty much a whole Saturday open, and it seems like a lot of the operators offer all sorts of options, which is great. And they promise it doesn't have to be an ordeal, if we don't want it to be.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 19:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

We got a great deal at a boutique hotel near Market & 5th when we went back in 2016.

Do you remember what is was called? Maybe Hotel Zetta?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yep! That was it exactly!

Super friendly place, clean, good service. Bar and lounge downstairs, but to be honest we were so busy exploring the city that we p much just crashed in our rooms every night when we got back.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the new joint across from nopa, barvale, is p good.

Seconding. We were there the other week, great cocktails, good food.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks for all the ongoing recommendations. We just booked an airbnb ("Victorian garden suite"!) in NoPA, so that part is done. Next step is filling in time slots as we creep closer to the (late July) date.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 03:36 (one week ago) Permalink

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