San Francisco and what to do in it

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So. Clarke B. [from ILM] and I are going to San Fran. in mid-August for about 2 weeks or so. Neither of us has been to CA [or the West Coast for that matter] so we need some advice. If you had 2 weeks to spend in the area, would you spend all of it in San Fran? What about a week in SF and a week in Portland?

What are some things in either city that we shouldn't miss [touristy or otherwise]? Record stores (we've got Amoeba covered)? Good places to get a brew, brah? What about music venues? Favorite restaurants? Coffee? Anything would be helpful at this point, since we don't know what we're doing.

We'd also be up for hanging out, FAPing, whatever with anyone in the area. Thanks!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

there are a lot of gays

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and hippies

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

whoo! unwashed buttsex

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, we were going to go to Germany, but what with all the Nazis and all... Seriously, though, any help you could provide would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Aquarius records in the Mission district is essential and key. So's the Basque restaurant, but i'm not remembering exactly where it is. Maybe Mr. Barrus will manifest himself and make the hidden known.

There's a couple of ferry/harbor cruises that give you a great view of things. Can't recommend directly by name, however. I know, i'm useless.

City Lights bookstore? Yeah, you should hit that too.

Isotope Lounge on i think Noriega is a great comic shop, if you're into that sort of thing.

You could always go score at Golden Gate Park, too. That's good for a chuckle...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You guys are also going to come down to LA of course. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

City Lights - YES!
O'Farrell Theater - worth it just for the anecdotes.
Love the Exploratorium and all of the museums - if you've the time and car access and so forth, run south to Santa Cruz and Monterey Bay.

And, oddly enough, there is an excellent Japanese restaurant down at the Pier 39 (ir whatever) tourist mecca - hidden about two blocks down from the Ripley's museum - on the same side of the road - beautful - traditional service - a real treat.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ooooohhhh and also try to find an older taxi-driver (one that looks like they've been in SF for a long time) and pay them to take you on a tour - explain that you want to experience the thrill of rushing up and down the hills at full speed. It's worth it.

And check-out Glide Memorial Church, in the tenderloin - wonderful, beautiful, a bit scary, and it's one of the few places in the U.S. that you can share your pew with TVs and prostitutes and dominatrixes and so forth - I love it!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink is very good, with a well currated, if smallish collection. the asian musuem is wonderful, almost encyopedic and one of the best buildings in a long time.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

throw rocks at the borribles.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

after City Lights go have a beer at Cafe Vesuvio for me. Yeah, it's Beat-tourist-fake-chic, but it's cool anyway. Screw hataz, I got wrecked in that place.

And what's the name of that restaurant on the highway that looks right over the ocean? My mom and brother and I almost got thrown out of there for causing a drunken ruckus.

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

so the real answer is: DRINK

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

bay guardian
east bay express
sf weekly

record stores:
amoeba (haight/stanyan)
aquarius (21st/valencia)
open mind (oak/divisadero)

brew brah:
toronado (haight/fillmore)
kilowatt (16th/albion)
zeitgeist (13th/valencia)
call 415-863-8350 and make a reservation for the anchor brewery tour, best deal in town (ie, free and plentiful beer).

music venues:
hemlock (polk/hemlock)
bottom of the hill (17th/missouri)
379 40th st (oakland)

music listings:
the list

the luggage store (market/6th)
5024 (fillmore/waller)
111 minna

el castillito (church/duboce) cheap mexican
farolito (24th/mission) cheap mexican
hotei (9th/irving) mid price ramen house
indian oven (haight/fillmore) mid price indian
kay cheung (jackson/ross) cheap dim sum
pakwan (16th/guerrero) cheap pakistani
powells (hayes/octavia) cheap soul food/fried chicken
sawa (divisadero/hayes) mid price eritrean
shimo (25th/clement) mid price japanese
thep phanom (haight/waller) mid price thai
yummy yummy (11th/irving) cheap pho house

uh... i can go on and on here...

this is a start let me know what else you want. i can get the MSP to add some east bay recommendations as he is more familiar with that area than i am...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

if you happen to go to Coit Tower, you can throw rocks down the hill and try to hit gygax at work

more record stores:
grooves (1797 Market) -- all vinyl
groove merchant (687 Haight St) -- all vinyl. soul, jazz, breaks. kinda like a west coast dusty groove
street light (3979 24th St @ Noe) & (2350 Market St @ Castro)

more food:
la taqueria (mission @ 25th) -- my favorite carne asada burritos
bean bag (hayes @ divisidero) -- cheap good pasta. get the trieste
asqew grill (1607 haight) -- amazing skewers and mashed potatoes
cha cha cha (upper haight near amoeba) -- great tapas and sangria

don't miss the Exploratorium. hands on science experiments. cool shit. makes you feel like a kid again.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This is great, you guys. I'm super-excited about cheap but good food, and I was planning to check out Anchor anyway -- I love their beer. How feasible is it to do a day trip to, like, Napa Valley for instance?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Napa's an easy day trip. it's about an hour and a half or so from the city. you might even want to just go to Sonoma. it's pretty much the same thing, but maybe 1/2 hour closer. the drive there can be kinda rough. the little lady gets sea sick every time we go there.

and i know we've named specific places where you'd go, but there are great areas to go shopping in.

obviously there's Haight. Upper Haight (from masonic to stanyan) is a 5-6 block area of commodified rebellion. record stores, food, clothing, tattoos. yada yada. Lower Haight (webster to scott) is a little less compacted, but has a few record stores (more on the dj side of stuff), restaurants, and flea market-y kindsa places.

Union Square is where all the name brand kinda stores are. lotsa department stores, nike town, mall-ish kinda stuff. but there are maybe 5-10 square blocks of shopping and eating there's also a Rasputins music and a Virgin Megastore. and Blondies, next to rasputin, is probably one of the best pizza joints in town.

the castro has a bunch of stuff to do (records, food), but i wouldn't really go shopping for clothes there unless you wanna look like you went shopping at International Male

and then in Berkeley, across the bay bridge, there's Telegraph Ave, which is kinda like upper Haight. there's an Amoeba, Rasputins and Blondies there too.

(you can see from my recomendations the only things i spend my money on are music and food)

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

a couple other good watering holes:
edinburgh castle - (geary/polk) scottish pub
500 club (17th/guerrero)
uptown (17th/capp)

you guys gonna rent a car? napa/sonoma are 1 hour's drive north. let me know if you want recommendations for vineyards.
(my favorite tasting room that i'd recommend for you young hipster dudes is bonny doon in santa cruz... about 90 minutes south of SF)

best pizza:
tomasso's (broadway/montgomery) - ranked top 5 pizzas in the USA by i forget who
zachary's (rockridge and n. berkeley - east bay) - unbelievable deep dish / stuffed pies

decent clothes shopping in the castro: Rolo but find a $ugar daddy first.

neighborhood guides

the mission district has decent shopping/peoplewatching between 16th and 24th streets bordered east/west by mission and valencia. bars/restaurants/shops (aquarius is here, as are some of the tacquerias mentioned above).

haight street between masonic and stanyan draws the line between hippy and hipster.

north beach (columbus between filbert and jackson and adjacent blocks) is nice on a sunny day, washington square park, st. peter/paul cathedral, italian cafes, some funny record stores: 101 records, the basement of 513 green st. @ grant is probably the only record store of it's kind in existance. there is one small block of hipsterism around powell and columbus.

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

eat Rice-A-Roni straight from the source

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fantastic stuff here from gygax! and others. To add just a few more:

Frjtz on Hayes street is awesome Belgian fries, and BPM right next door is maybe the city's best dance-music specialist (smallish place, but they'll let you listen to anything in stock, CDs as well as vinyl)

Also more online listings:
transbay calendar

Paul will not be in Santa Cruz in August (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

best indian restaurants are rasoi on valencia @ 21st (next to Aquarius Records) and, allegedly, the two adjacent indian places next door to the Hemlock on Polk, one of which is expensive, one of which is cheap, and they share the same kitchen.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some good bars:
Laszlo (on Mission - part of the Foreign Cinema restaurant - which is great too)
Tunnel Top (on Bush)
Beauty Bar (on Mission - depends on the night, but great bar DJ and people going wild dancing)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Damn, I have to get to that Foreign Cinema place in the next few weeks, though the website kind of scares me with it's pomposity and pretension.

Now that I'm (kind of) a native, I can recommend a Greek restaurant called Kokkari..."something" in the Financial District, but it's not cheap.

The coffee in Berkeley all smells amazing. Try it for me, as it looks like I'm off the evil bean indefinitely, damnit.

I expect Sean to pop up and recommend Jardiniere in Hayes Valley, as he usually does. ;)

If it's a nice day, get a ferry over to Sausalito, but don't bother getting off. It's full of rats.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

more neighborhoods:

Nob Hill = MUST SEE: grace cathedral park (nabisco and chris v. *cry* on cue). also: fancy hotels, aristocratic history of last 150 years of SF, good views, in between union square and china town but it's a hike. the fairmont hotel has a super cheezy (but fun! or ?) tiki bar that has a decent happy hour... $5-6 but very potent drinks.

Potrero Hill:
not too much to see, but if you go to Bottom Of The Hill head up to 18th street between Connecticut and Arkansas, there is a couple good shops/restaurants/cafes... i recommend the coffee place (have no idea what it's called) and Eliza's for reasonable "gwai lo" style Hunan/Mandarin hybrid. Very good. Not sure how authentic you want your chinese food but this is good for SF-style. just west down mariposa from the bottom of the hill is the parkside another great bar that has good live music sometimes.

The Tenderloin:
The seedy underbelly of SF. Don't let it scare you, it's actually pretty mellow despite a high-profile of crime (sex/drugs). Lots of music happenings here: The Great American Music Hall (capacity 800), the Hemlock, the Edinburgh Castle (sometimes great shows/readings upstairs). Naan & Curry (o'farrell/leavenworth) is a easy/great/cheap indian. the big vietnamese place (i'm blanking on the name) on geary/larkin is not bad, the spicy shrimp appetizer will probably blow your head off if you're into that sort of thing.

inner sunset:
centered around 9th/irving lots of shops/restaurants cafes, more of a residential neighborhood. i recommended a couple asian restaurants in this area for good reason.

inner richmond:
across golden gate park from the sunset, there is some great shopping to be done on clement street... try green apple books (clement/5th), the best bookstore in SF, they have music too. there's lots of restaurants/large theatres (balboa/coronet) in this area too...

if you go to the cafe du norde for a show, head up market until it just can't get any queerer. in the mid-70s the castro replaced polk street as cruiser central and there's no turning back now. the castro theatre is the nicest theater i've set my foot in, excellent arty indie-friendly programming (i've seen yo la tengo and superchunk score silent films here)... beautiful beaux arts bronzework inside, you won't be treated to the pipe organist during matinees, but the evening program is worth coming early for the wurlitzer short performance.

[sidenote - excellent rep/revival theatres:
the red vic - haight/cole
roxie cinema - 16th/valencia [kindly note: check back on this link in two weeks]

Home of your SF Giants. Even if you hate baseball, you will have a good time at PacBell Park. Sitting along the bay a short walk/Muni ride from downtown, you can get standing room tickets for $8 and sneakily find a seat and enjoy the game. Food/drink is expensive but try the bratwurst/hot dogs with grilled onions at the stand around section 104/105 ($4-$6) if that's your scene. Unless you go on Sunday, you stand a good chance of seeing the greatest player in the game (ever?) hit a homerun into the bay. (Aug 5-10;19-24)

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh wow - thank you guys so so much. i haven't even had time to read all of this closely but i already know that it's majorly helpful. :) :)

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm printing this thread out, now I just need a job...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

...Also, the one thing I had in London I can't yet find in SF- a shitty little record store that is actually full of cheap promos and pre-releases that I can hawk on ebay at profit. Is that asking so much?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the problem with (most) san francisco record stores is that the staff actually know what they're doing. the buyers and used buyers actually know what a product is worth before they price it.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah Nordic, you're the only one with that idea here... :-p

that being said, i still find some great stuff in the bargain bins at amoeba (which are bigger than most stores inventories) it's just so colossal and chaotic that it scares away most people.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Amoeba makes my palms sweaty.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

so that was you the other day!?!

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Foreign Cinema is really not pretentious at all (although, yeah, the website is all Flash nonsense), go late and then hit Laszlo and have a Blood Orange drink.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, it's as unpretentious as a restaurant that plays foreign movies on a huge wall while you eat can be.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(i have never gone there nor has anyone that i know!)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not surprised gygax, you're always so contrarian!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no i'm not

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(you totally just missed your chance on asking me out btw)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cafe Abir is a nice place to hang out in and drink coffee or beer or stuff. It's on that road that wiggles a bit and then turns into Castro.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that's on the northwest corner of divisadero/fulton (great sushi secret spot next door but it's not quite student-priced). ask JasonD if he remembers.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

(I kid, I kid - post-burst SF is actually supremely pleasant again)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Can I say how much I love the phrasing in the thread title? It's like San Francisco is this big bucket of puddy you soothe your body in.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tsunami (the place gygax is talking about) was the best sushi i've ever had in my entire life. but that's because we sat at the bar and gygax knew the chef.

i went back a few weeks later and had the worst experience in my entire life. bad service, a waitress that wispers even though the music is loud, and she has a tongue ring and has a lisp so you can't understand her even if she did speak up. they made us sit at a super small table (like 2 square feet) for 5 people. and half of the table had this artsy rock formation in the middle of it. we had to put our drinks on the ground because there wasn't enough room. the food was good, but the service was bad, which made the food kinda bad.

moral of story is, go there with gygax or don't go there at all.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

San Francisco is very much a roulette wheel as far as my experiences. A lot of really, really great people, and also a lot of really, really smug assholes.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

a nice neighborhood bar/dance spot The Make Out Room on 22nd ST near Mission, good drinks, reasonable, good acoustics, nice crowd mix, LGTB as well as straight dot com blowouts. The coffee house across the street is nice, has outdoor tables, a Zapatista theme. Open late. In North Beach a cheap vietnamese resturant called My Cam something btwn Grant and Stockton on Broadway, and of course the sites and sounds of the can lady (a reycling matron in the Asian community). The Castro is great if you want, late food: Baghdad Cafe Noe & Mrkt, and if your a quality bitch: The Castro Smoke Shop on Castro has fresh fags.

jameluc, Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

well, better than smogville. i did inform you that i might be relocating , stop rubbing it in. (JasonD please treat as CONFIDENTIAL! PLEASE)

wrt "the boom"!: The boom wasn't so bothersome (so long as you ignored the establishments that catered to the boomers...) i mean really spencer, nothing says "dotcom SF" like foreign cinema:

"We were kind of the place for the chic, young, Prada-wearing, cell phone-carrying, CNBC-watching crowd, and for a while we were packed every night," explained Bruce McDonald, owner of the Foreign Cinema restaurant in San Francisco's Mission district.

Foreign Cinema, located in a spacious warehouse, complete with a wall-sized movie screen for diners' entertainment, used to serve 400 people a night. That number fell to as few as 30 late last year, as unemployment in the Internet sector mounted and surviving dot-com companies started watching their pennies.

To try to win back customers, Foreign Cinema recently revamped its pricey French Bistro menu to offer somewhat lower priced American comfort food like pork chops.

The film fare has changed, from esoteric foreign films to some cheerier all-American musicals like "Singing in the Rain." Comfort entertainment to go with the comfort food, which it is serving in increasingly large portions.

Foreign Cinema sees its moves as critical to its survival. It wants to reach out to an older, somewhat less stylish crowd that may not have money to burn but has enough to eat out from time to time.

"I do mourn the old days," McDonald said. "Life was a hell of a lot easier and you could count on a lot of money coming in. Now you have to work hard for it."


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm starting a new thread to keep this one on topic.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm gonna group stuff in regions... word to the wise... PARKING SUCKS. it's better and cheaper than parking in the city, but it still can be tricky. BART if you can.

berkeley, university ave and shattuck.

straight off the downtown berkeley bart.

modlang ( - for latest uk imports. lot's of garage and psych stuff. very pop-oriented.

the comic store next to modlang rocks. i can't remember the name.

crepes a go-go... my favorite crepe place in the bay. i like it because it's not as frou frou as all those dumbass gourmet places. the (dark) chocolate, banana, coconut crepe is just perfect in semi-sweetness, texture, and fillingness.

there's a lot more in this area foodwise, etc. great china. sushiboat (or sushico). thai e sun.

if you head north on shattuck you find the gourmet ghetto where nouveau cuisine came from. the cheese board is the shit there for breads and cheeses. there's a deli next to a pegasus books that also rocks. barney's burgers is good. cha'am on shattuck is really really good thai.

berkeley... telegraph and durant

a 10 minute stroll up from downtown berkeley BART...

amoeba - the berkeley location doesn't have as good a used selection but the new stuff is just as together and it's a block down from rasputin's, which is another large store that isn't amoeba haight, but still decent. rasputins has a BUTTLOAD of seven inches. that's right. a buttload. both of these stores are also in the telegraph area of berkeley which has both moe's and cody's books, and more ... plus lot's of great food.

cafe intermezzo has awesome pbhb sandwiches...peanut butter honey and banana on big, thick wheat bread. the salads there are easily two meals and really good.

blue nile... great egyptian food.

top dog on durant is a favorite for hot dogs and stuff.

king pin donut on durant will make you fat with glee. the buttermilk donuts are pretty awesome. it's also on the end of the asian hallway... where you can pretty much get fast food asian of many different varieties. some better than others... but generally edible.

this area's also pretty well hooked up with vintage clothing stores and stuff and lot's of street vendors with all the dirty hippie hook ups you could possibly want.

Rockridge at college ave... off Rockridge Bart station.

great food... zacharay's deep dish chicago pizza is the shit.

pearl of siam is decent thai.

cactus taqueria is one of my favorite burrito joints... it's right off the bart there. it's probably not authentic enough... but it's all natural and way good.

barney's is there if you want burgers and shakes and curly fries that rock.

there's a dreyers ice cream store here. yum!

also on this stop is pendragon books... a small place that's pretty well packed... and another book store that's south on college on the right that i can't remember the name. both are very tasteful and have a great collection of the latest bits.

saturn records kicks ass. it's a small crowded place. there's a small section of spockmorgue weirdo stuff you can't find most places. it's also one of the best place in the bay area to find collector's vinyl. if you wanna tempt yourself with $30 trips to rarity heaven, saturn will probably do you right. i also like it cause they've got very condensed sections of certain types of music. pan through their punk section and you'll find the best of the best. you won't find the latest or the rare name... but there's a quality you usually don't find at most stores in the area.

i could describe a few other hoods... but but but...

msp, Friday, 4 July 2003 00:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, I didn't realize there was so much to do in Berkeley. We were only thinking of staying a night or two there (we're staying in hostels, aka we're poor) but maybe we should add a night or two on there, since that's the cheaper hostel anyway. I mean, I guess central San Fran and Berkeley aren't that far apart anyways, but good to know. Thank you so much!!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cesar in Berkeley, next to Chez Panisse, is a very fun place to go in the afternoon, or at around 9pm. Great Tapas and very well designed space.

Also, I always eat at a Barney's whenever I'm in the Bay Area. The curly-fries are great for hangovers!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, we booked the flight and everything! We'll be in town August 14th through the 26th... Now we need a listening itinerary... If you were to plan a trip to SF, what 5 or 10 CDs would you take? ;-)

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 04:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, they went straight for my Mac.

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Friday, 22 June 2018 04:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Scrambling now because I tried to do that Locate My Mac thing, forgot my iCloud credentials, then requested a reset, and saw that it sent the request straight to my stolen Mac.

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Friday, 22 June 2018 04:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh god that sucks

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 June 2018 05:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Never have to reset your Apple ID password

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 June 2018 05:39 (one month ago) Permalink

sorry to hear about this, I've had the same experience and remember how if feels

Dan S, Friday, 22 June 2018 07:02 (one month ago) Permalink* feels

Dan S, Friday, 22 June 2018 07:04 (one month ago) Permalink

They took my sheets and bath towels too! So I've got the expected sense of violation, plus I have to deal with my germophobia and just the leeriness of even touching my stuff, which I now know they toggled through.

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Friday, 22 June 2018 07:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Rifled through, not toggled

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Friday, 22 June 2018 07:48 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

OK, our visit is in a few weeks. Doing some A+ tourist stuff, like Alcatraz night tour and a long bike tour, plus dinner at Nopa. Looking for a good Sunday night dinner suggestion, though. Any good ideas? I figure staples like burritos and the like we can fit in anywhere, and staples at the other end (like State Bird Provisions) I worry might be booked up already.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I enjoyed Hogwash quite a bit last time I was in town.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:02 (one month ago) Permalink

Looks awesome but very ... Chicago.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Blue Plate is perfect delicious comfort food, and you can get a reservation there.

Shanghai Dumpling King (either location) is great, and low-cost. Good alternative to some of the higher-end dim sum places.

Dosa is good for fancy Indian food/cocktails, but pretty pricey.

Not really doing high-end food anymore, but Coi is pretty nuts if you're into molecular gastronomy.

DJI, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:53 (one month ago) Permalink

China Live is fantastic and huge so getting a seat isn't a real worry.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:00 (one month ago) Permalink

If you go to Shanghai Dumpling King on Montery Blvd, you will be two blocks from my house. I recommend two cups chicken clay pot.

fajita seas, Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:02 (one month ago) Permalink

my wife doesn't like Chinese. :(

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 July 2018 18:48 (one month ago) Permalink

I live near you, FS! Over the freeway in mission terrace.

DJI, Saturday, 7 July 2018 19:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Front Porch, Zuni Cafe, Foreign Cinema, Swan Oyster Depot ...

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 7 July 2018 20:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Blue Plate is perfect delicious comfort food, and you can get a reservation there.

Echoing this, quite good. Enjoy Boulevard on the Embarcadero very much. Will also cosign Front Porch and China Live.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 July 2018 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Awesome, you all are the best, thanks for the suggestions. SF comes at the end of a west coast trip for us, where there will be lots of food like Blue Plate, so we went for Front Porch, which also looks like it has a great bar. Love southern food.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 July 2018 21:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, good stuff. Would however recommend the Royal Cuckoo for a drink too. And will add that I live near both the Front Porch and the Cuckoo, so basically drop a line with your schedule etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 July 2018 23:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Not a local but brunch at Son's Addition a few months back was one of the best I've had anywhere.

A Box of After Dinner Comics Shipped to Your House Each Month (seandalai), Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:16 (one month ago) Permalink

If you can get a reservation at Foreign Cinema for brunch, it is killer.

DJI, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:47 (one month ago) Permalink

oh man, would eat all the ersters

lâche pas la patate (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

west coast oysters can be delicious but I dunno why y’all bring them out with nothing more than a little thing of cocktail sauce, a little thing of vinegar, and half a lemon. Oysters can tolerate a lot more than that, also, why does San Francisco hate hot sauce generally?

El Tomboto, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:07 (one month ago) Permalink

U mean aside from all the asians and latinos and african americans?

Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I am not aware of SF hot sauce hatred at all.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 9 July 2018 00:04 (one month ago) Permalink

I think my bias is probably because I live in a place where it regularly gets a seat at the table with other condiments and doesn’t have to be asked for? But Shakey did kinda own me just now

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:31 (one month ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, oysters should be eaten alive in their own brine; they require no, nor are enhanced, flavorwise, by anything but wine, Chablis by my preference

Et Dieu crea l' (Michael White), Monday, 9 July 2018 00:51 (one month ago) Permalink

I've got an extra ticket for Bicep at the Independent tonight if anyone wants to join...

DJI, Friday, 20 July 2018 22:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Bicep (Live)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 20 July 2018 23:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, oysters should be eaten alive in their own brine; they require no, nor are enhanced, flavorwise, by anything but wine, Chablis by my preference

Well and music should be heard live in somebody’s rented basement and scientific research should be done in the full view of the public and sculpture should be touchable etc

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 23:29 (four weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions and guidance. San Francisco was a great way to end a fun trip. If we had to do it again we'd probably stick with more local/ethnic/neighborhood food. We were staying in Hayes Valley, and there was plenty there of interest to eat, but a couple of our dinners we went to Nopa and Front Porch, and while both were fine we didn't think they were too different from what we could get here. We did hit El Farolito for burritos, and while we have plenty of burritos and Mexican food here, that place was kind of a trip. As was the Royal Cuckoo, Ned, a dive bar with character much more colorful than the usual dive bar (whose character is usually largely its dive-ness).

It had been 20 years since I was last in SF, so a couple of stray observations.

1) It's weird how much the weather (temperature, at least) changes even from neighborhood to neighborhood, made weirder by the irony that July and August are known for cooler weather. Still funny to watch folks in ski parkas and scarves when it's in the upper '50s, but hey, that's California for you.

2) Homelessness was prevalent, but (sadly/tragically) no more so than any major city (like mine). I did notice, for whatever reason, virtually no panhandling. Just people living on the street going about their business.

3) We had been warned by many of all the (people) poop, and while we did see some people poop (gross), we saw a lot more dog poop. Yet weirdly, again and again, we saw *bagged* dog poop, just left on the sidewalk, and we couldn't figure that out. Who goes through the trouble of bagging their dog poop but then just leaves the bag on the sidewalk?

4) I had forgotten how small SF is compared to Chicago.

5) Best SF story. We took a super awesome 20 mile bike tour around the city. When we paused by the Palace of Fine Arts fake ruins, a cop car pulled up. The cop rolled down the window and yelled out. "Hey ... any of you see a naked man run by here?" Second best. We went to the Alcatraz night tour, which was cool. All the way at the end I overheard one of the park rangers telling this tale. Last year I guess there was a big storm that rolled up, and they couldn't take anyone back to the mainland on the ferry, so instead this tour group got to stay on the island until 3am, drinking hot cocoa and watching movies. They even opened up the gift shop and let them pick out shirts and sweatshirts. He said it was like a sleepover. But there was a *second* ferry stuck moored at the dock, and the water was so rough they could neither get the people off the boat nor untie the ferry and let it leave. There was apparently a tour group stuck on the ferry in the rough waters for *45 minutes* before they could get them off safely. The ranger said everyone (including three pregnant women!) was just barfing everywhere. Yuck.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 August 2018 12:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Glad you enjoyed the Cuckoo! It's well worth it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 August 2018 13:39 (one week ago) Permalink

We took a super awesome 20 mile bike tour around the city. When we paused by the Palace of Fine Arts fake ruins, a cop car pulled up. The cop rolled down the window and yelled out. "Hey ... any of you see a naked man run by here?"

lmao this is classic

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 August 2018 15:35 (one week ago) Permalink

peak SF lols

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 August 2018 15:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Glad you had a good time! Randomly, while you were in SF I was in Chicago suburbia (where I grew up).

fajita seas, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 03:24 (one week ago) Permalink

I was wondering when that would finally be posted. Known about it for about a month and there's been lots of word of mouth; did some interviews recently and a first draft of a story is currently being reviewed for publication.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 18:49 (four days ago) Permalink

I wonder if the new owners will keep the smoking room.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:37 (four days ago) Permalink

someone care to summarize? being sold, I presume?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:47 (four days ago) Permalink

In the time it took you to reply, you could have scanned the first paragraph?:

The Hemlock Tavern and its liquor license have recently been sold to the same real estate developers that purchased our property back in 2015. The new owners of the Hemlock Tavern will be moving forward with their plans to demolish the building (1145 Polk St., which includes Hemlock at 1131 Polk St.) and construct a 54-unit mixed-use condominium building in its place.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:51 (four days ago) Permalink

In the time it took you to post that, I suppose I could have created a Facebook login and looked it up but you know what no, fuck facebook

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:52 (four days ago) Permalink

I don't run that page so no

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 19:58 (four days ago) Permalink

BTW I had the same problem as Shakey...

I remember visiting Manchester in the early 2000's. The former site of the Hacienda had been turned into condos, which were just on the market. The marketing banner read "The party's over, now you can come home".

Would be nice if we could build condos on empty places like the Balboa Reservoir instead tho.

fajita seas, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 02:08 (three days ago) Permalink


Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:25 (two days ago) Permalink

John Zorn with Laurie Anderson and Terry Riley at the Chapel on Labor Day

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 17 August 2018 17:18 (yesterday) Permalink

that's kind of nuts

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 August 2018 17:19 (yesterday) Permalink

I didn't believe it when I first saw it, but I am now a ticket-holder.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 17 August 2018 17:19 (yesterday) Permalink

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