San Francisco and what to do in it

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So. Clarke B. [from ILM] and I are going to San Fran. in mid-August for about 2 weeks or so. Neither of us has been to CA [or the West Coast for that matter] so we need some advice. If you had 2 weeks to spend in the area, would you spend all of it in San Fran? What about a week in SF and a week in Portland?

What are some things in either city that we shouldn't miss [touristy or otherwise]? Record stores (we've got Amoeba covered)? Good places to get a brew, brah? What about music venues? Favorite restaurants? Coffee? Anything would be helpful at this point, since we don't know what we're doing.

We'd also be up for hanging out, FAPing, whatever with anyone in the area. Thanks!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

there are a lot of gays

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and hippies

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

whoo! unwashed buttsex

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, we were going to go to Germany, but what with all the Nazis and all... Seriously, though, any help you could provide would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Aquarius records in the Mission district is essential and key. So's the Basque restaurant, but i'm not remembering exactly where it is. Maybe Mr. Barrus will manifest himself and make the hidden known.

There's a couple of ferry/harbor cruises that give you a great view of things. Can't recommend directly by name, however. I know, i'm useless.

City Lights bookstore? Yeah, you should hit that too.

Isotope Lounge on i think Noriega is a great comic shop, if you're into that sort of thing.

You could always go score at Golden Gate Park, too. That's good for a chuckle...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

You guys are also going to come down to LA of course. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

City Lights - YES!
O'Farrell Theater - worth it just for the anecdotes.
Love the Exploratorium and all of the museums - if you've the time and car access and so forth, run south to Santa Cruz and Monterey Bay.

And, oddly enough, there is an excellent Japanese restaurant down at the Pier 39 (ir whatever) tourist mecca - hidden about two blocks down from the Ripley's museum - on the same side of the road - beautful - traditional service - a real treat.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ooooohhhh and also try to find an older taxi-driver (one that looks like they've been in SF for a long time) and pay them to take you on a tour - explain that you want to experience the thrill of rushing up and down the hills at full speed. It's worth it.

And check-out Glide Memorial Church, in the tenderloin - wonderful, beautiful, a bit scary, and it's one of the few places in the U.S. that you can share your pew with TVs and prostitutes and dominatrixes and so forth - I love it!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.sfmoma.org/ is very good, with a well currated, if smallish collection.

http://www.asianart.org/ the asian musuem is wonderful, almost encyopedic and one of the best buildings in a long time.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

throw rocks at the borribles.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

after City Lights go have a beer at Cafe Vesuvio for me. Yeah, it's Beat-tourist-fake-chic, but it's cool anyway. Screw hataz, I got wrecked in that place.

And what's the name of that restaurant on the highway that looks right over the ocean? My mom and brother and I almost got thrown out of there for causing a drunken ruckus.

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

so the real answer is: DRINK

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

weeklies:
bay guardian
east bay express
sf weekly

record stores:
amoeba (haight/stanyan)
aquarius (21st/valencia)
open mind (oak/divisadero)

brew brah:
toronado (haight/fillmore)
kilowatt (16th/albion)
zeitgeist (13th/valencia)
call 415-863-8350 and make a reservation for the anchor brewery tour, best deal in town (ie, free and plentiful beer).

music venues:
hemlock (polk/hemlock)
bottom of the hill (17th/missouri)
379 40th st (oakland)

music listings:
zumonline
the list

art:
the luggage store (market/6th)
5024 (fillmore/waller)
111 minna

restaurants:
el castillito (church/duboce) cheap mexican
farolito (24th/mission) cheap mexican
hotei (9th/irving) mid price ramen house
indian oven (haight/fillmore) mid price indian
kay cheung (jackson/ross) cheap dim sum
pakwan (16th/guerrero) cheap pakistani
powells (hayes/octavia) cheap soul food/fried chicken
sawa (divisadero/hayes) mid price eritrean
shimo (25th/clement) mid price japanese
thep phanom (haight/waller) mid price thai
yummy yummy (11th/irving) cheap pho house

uh... i can go on and on here...

this is a start let me know what else you want. i can get the MSP to add some east bay recommendations as he is more familiar with that area than i am...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

if you happen to go to Coit Tower, you can throw rocks down the hill and try to hit gygax at work

more record stores:
grooves (1797 Market) -- all vinyl
groove merchant (687 Haight St) -- all vinyl. soul, jazz, breaks. kinda like a west coast dusty groove
street light (3979 24th St @ Noe) & (2350 Market St @ Castro)

more food:
la taqueria (mission @ 25th) -- my favorite carne asada burritos
bean bag (hayes @ divisidero) -- cheap good pasta. get the trieste
asqew grill (1607 haight) -- amazing skewers and mashed potatoes
cha cha cha (upper haight near amoeba) -- great tapas and sangria

don't miss the Exploratorium. hands on science experiments. cool shit. makes you feel like a kid again.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

This is great, you guys. I'm super-excited about cheap but good food, and I was planning to check out Anchor anyway -- I love their beer. How feasible is it to do a day trip to, like, Napa Valley for instance?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Napa's an easy day trip. it's about an hour and a half or so from the city. you might even want to just go to Sonoma. it's pretty much the same thing, but maybe 1/2 hour closer. the drive there can be kinda rough. the little lady gets sea sick every time we go there.

and i know we've named specific places where you'd go, but there are great areas to go shopping in.

obviously there's Haight. Upper Haight (from masonic to stanyan) is a 5-6 block area of commodified rebellion. record stores, food, clothing, tattoos. yada yada. Lower Haight (webster to scott) is a little less compacted, but has a few record stores (more on the dj side of stuff), restaurants, and flea market-y kindsa places.

Union Square is where all the name brand kinda stores are. lotsa department stores, nike town, mall-ish kinda stuff. but there are maybe 5-10 square blocks of shopping and eating there's also a Rasputins music and a Virgin Megastore. and Blondies, next to rasputin, is probably one of the best pizza joints in town.

the castro has a bunch of stuff to do (records, food), but i wouldn't really go shopping for clothes there unless you wanna look like you went shopping at International Male

and then in Berkeley, across the bay bridge, there's Telegraph Ave, which is kinda like upper Haight. there's an Amoeba, Rasputins and Blondies there too.

(you can see from my recomendations the only things i spend my money on are music and food)

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

a couple other good watering holes:
edinburgh castle - (geary/polk) scottish pub
500 club (17th/guerrero)
uptown (17th/capp)

you guys gonna rent a car? napa/sonoma are 1 hour's drive north. let me know if you want recommendations for vineyards.
(my favorite tasting room that i'd recommend for you young hipster dudes is bonny doon in santa cruz... about 90 minutes south of SF)

best pizza:
tomasso's (broadway/montgomery) - ranked top 5 pizzas in the USA by i forget who
zachary's (rockridge and n. berkeley - east bay) - unbelievable deep dish / stuffed pies

decent clothes shopping in the castro: Rolo but find a $ugar daddy first.

neighborhood guides

the mission district has decent shopping/peoplewatching between 16th and 24th streets bordered east/west by mission and valencia. bars/restaurants/shops (aquarius is here, as are some of the tacquerias mentioned above).

haight street between masonic and stanyan draws the line between hippy and hipster.

north beach (columbus between filbert and jackson and adjacent blocks) is nice on a sunny day, washington square park, st. peter/paul cathedral, italian cafes, some funny record stores: 101 records, the basement of 513 green st. @ grant is probably the only record store of it's kind in existance. there is one small block of hipsterism around powell and columbus.

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

eat Rice-A-Roni straight from the source

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fantastic stuff here from gygax! and others. To add just a few more:

Frjtz on Hayes street is awesome Belgian fries, and BPM right next door is maybe the city's best dance-music specialist (smallish place, but they'll let you listen to anything in stock, CDs as well as vinyl)

Also more online listings:
flavorpill
transbay calendar

Paul will not be in Santa Cruz in August (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

best indian restaurants are rasoi on valencia @ 21st (next to Aquarius Records) and, allegedly, the two adjacent indian places next door to the Hemlock on Polk, one of which is expensive, one of which is cheap, and they share the same kitchen.


anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some good bars:
Laszlo (on Mission - part of the Foreign Cinema restaurant - which is great too)
Tunnel Top (on Bush)
Beauty Bar (on Mission - depends on the night, but great bar DJ and people going wild dancing)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Damn, I have to get to that Foreign Cinema place in the next few weeks, though the website kind of scares me with it's pomposity and pretension.

Now that I'm (kind of) a native, I can recommend a Greek restaurant called Kokkari..."something" in the Financial District, but it's not cheap.

The coffee in Berkeley all smells amazing. Try it for me, as it looks like I'm off the evil bean indefinitely, damnit.

I expect Sean to pop up and recommend Jardiniere in Hayes Valley, as he usually does. ;)

If it's a nice day, get a ferry over to Sausalito, but don't bother getting off. It's full of rats.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

more neighborhoods:

Nob Hill = MUST SEE: grace cathedral park (nabisco and chris v. *cry* on cue). also: fancy hotels, aristocratic history of last 150 years of SF, good views, in between union square and china town but it's a hike. the fairmont hotel has a super cheezy (but fun! or ?) tiki bar that has a decent happy hour... $5-6 but very potent drinks.

Potrero Hill:
not too much to see, but if you go to Bottom Of The Hill head up to 18th street between Connecticut and Arkansas, there is a couple good shops/restaurants/cafes... i recommend the coffee place (have no idea what it's called) and Eliza's for reasonable "gwai lo" style Hunan/Mandarin hybrid. Very good. Not sure how authentic you want your chinese food but this is good for SF-style. just west down mariposa from the bottom of the hill is the parkside another great bar that has good live music sometimes.

The Tenderloin:
The seedy underbelly of SF. Don't let it scare you, it's actually pretty mellow despite a high-profile of crime (sex/drugs). Lots of music happenings here: The Great American Music Hall (capacity 800), the Hemlock, the Edinburgh Castle (sometimes great shows/readings upstairs). Naan & Curry (o'farrell/leavenworth) is a easy/great/cheap indian. the big vietnamese place (i'm blanking on the name) on geary/larkin is not bad, the spicy shrimp appetizer will probably blow your head off if you're into that sort of thing.

inner sunset:
centered around 9th/irving lots of shops/restaurants cafes, more of a residential neighborhood. i recommended a couple asian restaurants in this area for good reason.

inner richmond:
across golden gate park from the sunset, there is some great shopping to be done on clement street... try green apple books (clement/5th), the best bookstore in SF, they have music too. there's lots of restaurants/large theatres (balboa/coronet) in this area too...

castro:
if you go to the cafe du norde for a show, head up market until it just can't get any queerer. in the mid-70s the castro replaced polk street as cruiser central and there's no turning back now. the castro theatre is the nicest theater i've set my foot in, excellent arty indie-friendly programming (i've seen yo la tengo and superchunk score silent films here)... beautiful beaux arts bronzework inside, you won't be treated to the pipe organist during matinees, but the evening program is worth coming early for the wurlitzer short performance.

[sidenote - excellent rep/revival theatres:
the red vic - haight/cole
roxie cinema - 16th/valencia [kindly note: check back on this link in two weeks]

PacBellPark
Home of your SF Giants. Even if you hate baseball, you will have a good time at PacBell Park. Sitting along the bay a short walk/Muni ride from downtown, you can get standing room tickets for $8 and sneakily find a seat and enjoy the game. Food/drink is expensive but try the bratwurst/hot dogs with grilled onions at the stand around section 104/105 ($4-$6) if that's your scene. Unless you go on Sunday, you stand a good chance of seeing the greatest player in the game (ever?) hit a homerun into the bay. (Aug 5-10;19-24)

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh wow - thank you guys so so much. i haven't even had time to read all of this closely but i already know that it's majorly helpful. :) :)

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm printing this thread out, now I just need a job...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

...Also, the one thing I had in London I can't yet find in SF- a shitty little record store that is actually full of cheap promos and pre-releases that I can hawk on ebay at profit. Is that asking so much?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the problem with (most) san francisco record stores is that the staff actually know what they're doing. the buyers and used buyers actually know what a product is worth before they price it.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah Nordic, you're the only one with that idea here... :-p

that being said, i still find some great stuff in the bargain bins at amoeba (which are bigger than most stores inventories) it's just so colossal and chaotic that it scares away most people.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Amoeba makes my palms sweaty.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

so that was you the other day!?!

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Foreign Cinema is really not pretentious at all (although, yeah, the website is all Flash nonsense), go late and then hit Laszlo and have a Blood Orange drink.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well, it's as unpretentious as a restaurant that plays foreign movies on a huge wall while you eat can be.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(i have never gone there nor has anyone that i know!)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not surprised gygax, you're always so contrarian!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no i'm not

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(you totally just missed your chance on asking me out btw)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cafe Abir is a nice place to hang out in and drink coffee or beer or stuff. It's on that road that wiggles a bit and then turns into Castro.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that's on the northwest corner of divisadero/fulton (great sushi secret spot next door but it's not quite student-priced). ask JasonD if he remembers.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

(I kid, I kid - post-burst SF is actually supremely pleasant again)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Can I say how much I love the phrasing in the thread title? It's like San Francisco is this big bucket of puddy you soothe your body in.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tsunami (the place gygax is talking about) was the best sushi i've ever had in my entire life. but that's because we sat at the bar and gygax knew the chef.

i went back a few weeks later and had the worst experience in my entire life. bad service, a waitress that wispers even though the music is loud, and she has a tongue ring and has a lisp so you can't understand her even if she did speak up. they made us sit at a super small table (like 2 square feet) for 5 people. and half of the table had this artsy rock formation in the middle of it. we had to put our drinks on the ground because there wasn't enough room. the food was good, but the service was bad, which made the food kinda bad.

moral of story is, go there with gygax or don't go there at all.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

San Francisco is very much a roulette wheel as far as my experiences. A lot of really, really great people, and also a lot of really, really smug assholes.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

a nice neighborhood bar/dance spot The Make Out Room on 22nd ST near Mission, good drinks, reasonable, good acoustics, nice crowd mix, LGTB as well as straight dot com blowouts. The coffee house across the street is nice, has outdoor tables, a Zapatista theme. Open late. In North Beach a cheap vietnamese resturant called My Cam something btwn Grant and Stockton on Broadway, and of course the sites and sounds of the can lady (a reycling matron in the Asian community). The Castro is great if you want, late food: Baghdad Cafe Noe & Mrkt, and if your a quality bitch: The Castro Smoke Shop on Castro has fresh fags.

jameluc, Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

well, better than smogville. i did inform you that i might be relocating , stop rubbing it in. (JasonD please treat as CONFIDENTIAL! PLEASE)

wrt "the boom"!: The boom wasn't so bothersome (so long as you ignored the establishments that catered to the boomers...) i mean really spencer, nothing says "dotcom SF" like foreign cinema:

"We were kind of the place for the chic, young, Prada-wearing, cell phone-carrying, CNBC-watching crowd, and for a while we were packed every night," explained Bruce McDonald, owner of the Foreign Cinema restaurant in San Francisco's Mission district.

Foreign Cinema, located in a spacious warehouse, complete with a wall-sized movie screen for diners' entertainment, used to serve 400 people a night. That number fell to as few as 30 late last year, as unemployment in the Internet sector mounted and surviving dot-com companies started watching their pennies.

To try to win back customers, Foreign Cinema recently revamped its pricey French Bistro menu to offer somewhat lower priced American comfort food like pork chops.

The film fare has changed, from esoteric foreign films to some cheerier all-American musicals like "Singing in the Rain." Comfort entertainment to go with the comfort food, which it is serving in increasingly large portions.

Foreign Cinema sees its moves as critical to its survival. It wants to reach out to an older, somewhat less stylish crowd that may not have money to burn but has enough to eat out from time to time.

"I do mourn the old days," McDonald said. "Life was a hell of a lot easier and you could count on a lot of money coming in. Now you have to work hard for it."

ugh.


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm starting a new thread to keep this one on topic.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


i'm gonna group stuff in regions... word to the wise... PARKING SUCKS. it's better and cheaper than parking in the city, but it still can be tricky. BART if you can.

berkeley, university ave and shattuck.

straight off the downtown berkeley bart.

modlang (www.modlang.com) - for latest uk imports. lot's of garage and psych stuff. very pop-oriented.

the comic store next to modlang rocks. i can't remember the name.

crepes a go-go... my favorite crepe place in the bay. i like it because it's not as frou frou as all those dumbass gourmet places. the (dark) chocolate, banana, coconut crepe is just perfect in semi-sweetness, texture, and fillingness.

there's a lot more in this area foodwise, etc. great china. sushiboat (or sushico). thai e sun.

if you head north on shattuck you find the gourmet ghetto where nouveau cuisine came from. the cheese board is the shit there for breads and cheeses. there's a deli next to a pegasus books that also rocks. barney's burgers is good. cha'am on shattuck is really really good thai.

berkeley... telegraph and durant

a 10 minute stroll up from downtown berkeley BART...

amoeba - the berkeley location doesn't have as good a used selection but the new stuff is just as together and it's a block down from rasputin's, which is another large store that isn't amoeba haight, but still decent. rasputins has a BUTTLOAD of seven inches. that's right. a buttload. both of these stores are also in the telegraph area of berkeley which has both moe's and cody's books, and more ... plus lot's of great food.

cafe intermezzo has awesome pbhb sandwiches...peanut butter honey and banana on big, thick wheat bread. the salads there are easily two meals and really good.

blue nile... great egyptian food.

top dog on durant is a favorite for hot dogs and stuff.

king pin donut on durant will make you fat with glee. the buttermilk donuts are pretty awesome. it's also on the end of the asian hallway... where you can pretty much get fast food asian of many different varieties. some better than others... but generally edible.

this area's also pretty well hooked up with vintage clothing stores and stuff and lot's of street vendors with all the dirty hippie hook ups you could possibly want.

Rockridge at college ave... off Rockridge Bart station.

great food... zacharay's deep dish chicago pizza is the shit.

pearl of siam is decent thai.

cactus taqueria is one of my favorite burrito joints... it's right off the bart there. it's probably not authentic enough... but it's all natural and way good.

barney's is there if you want burgers and shakes and curly fries that rock.

there's a dreyers ice cream store here. yum!

also on this stop is pendragon books... a small place that's pretty well packed... and another book store that's south on college on the right that i can't remember the name. both are very tasteful and have a great collection of the latest bits.

saturn records kicks ass. it's a small crowded place. there's a small section of spockmorgue weirdo stuff you can't find most places. it's also one of the best place in the bay area to find collector's vinyl. if you wanna tempt yourself with $30 trips to rarity heaven, saturn will probably do you right. i also like it cause they've got very condensed sections of certain types of music. pan through their punk section and you'll find the best of the best. you won't find the latest or the rare name... but there's a quality you usually don't find at most stores in the area.

i could describe a few other hoods... but but but...
m.

msp, Friday, 4 July 2003 00:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, I didn't realize there was so much to do in Berkeley. We were only thinking of staying a night or two there (we're staying in hostels, aka we're poor) but maybe we should add a night or two on there, since that's the cheaper hostel anyway. I mean, I guess central San Fran and Berkeley aren't that far apart anyways, but good to know. Thank you so much!!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cesar in Berkeley, next to Chez Panisse, is a very fun place to go in the afternoon, or at around 9pm. Great Tapas and very well designed space.

Also, I always eat at a Barney's whenever I'm in the Bay Area. The curly-fries are great for hangovers!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, we booked the flight and everything! We'll be in town August 14th through the 26th... Now we need a listening itinerary... If you were to plan a trip to SF, what 5 or 10 CDs would you take? ;-)

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 04:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I get the sense that there are a lot of things the reporter misunderstood or wrote in a misleading way. The comments are actually not horrible, as far as comments sections go.

It sounds like the United to Save the Mission people met with the business owner and her people, and discussed things. There were undoubtedly some things that were crucial to the agreement, and there were probably some things they said that were along the lines of "it would be cool if you did x" but those weren't things that would explicitly go into the MOU. At "worst" they would be examples of something like, "provide an inviting atmosphere to local families" which could include x, y, and z.

But, it makes me think of the flipside, of business districts and groups that impose rules about decor and business practices that are designed to encourage gentrification and tourism, that one might think should just be up to the owner(s) of the business.

sarahell, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah that was my interpretation too

Οὖτις, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:38 (two months ago) Permalink

Re: how the meetng was reported

Οὖτις, Sunday, 28 October 2018 17:39 (two months ago) Permalink

maybe. “give us your books” is next-level.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:06 (two months ago) Permalink

otoh these coalitions tend to be made up of a bunch of people who are progressive, but also realistic and sane, but there are also people who are aggro-radicals who will try to pull ridiculous shit.

sarahell, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:07 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

What not to do? Breathe. Air quality just went to purple - unsafe for everyone.

DJI, Thursday, 15 November 2018 21:59 (two months ago) Permalink

turns out I am really glad to be going to Yosemite this weekend where the air is still clear

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:06 (two months ago) Permalink

xp So I noticed. Fun fun.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:07 (two months ago) Permalink

Schools closed tomorrow.

DJI, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:10 (two months ago) Permalink

maybe we should all start living underground

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:12 (two months ago) Permalink

Wonder if anyone still has N99 masks in stock, I'm always slow on this stuff

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:33 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm gonna be out there next week so I can experience this wonderful air you have. Would love any recommendations anyone has. Would also be down for a meetup if folks can pull themselves away from Thanksgiving festivities.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:39 (two months ago) Permalink

It's worse in SF than in Chico (where the fire is only 40%). Sacramento is currently rated as Emergency Hazardous.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:47 (two months ago) Permalink

...40% contained

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Its gonna rain all next week, you should be good. It’s just right now that sucks

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I have decided to just pretend I'm living in 19th century London now

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:51 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm gonna be out there next week so I can experience this wonderful air you have. Would love any recommendations anyone has. Would also be down for a meetup if folks can pull themselves away from Thanksgiving festivities.

Recommendations: stay inside. (Like, go to museums.)

Meetup: maybe but I suspect I'll be hunkering down myself after running errands Saturday morning. Honestly will have to see what the weather's like.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:53 (two months ago) Permalink

it doesn't feel that bad to me? it just feels like a smog day

sarahell, Friday, 16 November 2018 22:59 (two months ago) Permalink

I am mostly indoors except driving, it has been like grey fog 24/7 all week

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 November 2018 07:54 (two months ago) Permalink

it doesn't feel that bad to me? it just feels like a smog day

https://i.imgur.com/sW1DZHn.gifv

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:51 (two months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/sW1DZHn.gifv

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:51 (two months ago) Permalink

just stocked up on respirator masks to bring on my trip

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 17 November 2018 20:02 (two months ago) Permalink

well this is stupid

https://missionlocal.org/2018/11/la-victoria-out-cinderella-bakery-in-boycott-imminent/

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I think the fact that a Latino family dispute led to the eviction is relevant. It's not like Cinderella Bakery are vultures flipping properties and evicting families, it's like Call 24's only objection is based on the owners' ethnicity, which is lame.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Mm. Guess we'll have to see.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 00:28 (one month ago) Permalink

thanks for the update shakey - i would have loved to see this go another way but per discussion upthread i can't say i'm surprised

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 05:56 (one month ago) Permalink

also have any of these people that are going to picket it actually eaten at Cinderella Bakery becuz it is *delicious*

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Retweet and help figure out who these drunk #santacon partiers are, they assaulted an employee and trashed my favorite Pakistani restaurant in #SF after they were asked to leave for loitering on Saturday night pic.twitter.com/RiknV1v8Mv

— Taylor Savvy (@taylorsavvy) December 10, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

I lol'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79AJN6Yh3Iw

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:35 (one month ago) Permalink

lol that guy was buddies with a dude who used to live across the hall from me.

sarahell, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

hadn't thought about Tom Guido in awhile, I must say

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Not too shabby! Any old timers remember the place in the Bayview that was a strip club called the Pirate's Booty or something similar?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:11 (one month ago) Permalink

Our company orders catered lunch once a week, but throws out the leftovers after a day. I'm trying to propose something a bit more sensible and found this: http://www.foodrunners.org/donate-food/

OTOH this sounds good, but on the other, I see the same homeless people outside the building every day, and sending the food through a middleman seems kinda circuitous? Anyone else have thoughts?

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 23:28 (one month ago) Permalink

just do it yourself? idk

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 23:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Yah thats total bs if they are throwing out a significant amount of food. I'd complain to facilities and make them do something about it.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 23:53 (one month ago) Permalink

I've thought about just passing out the food myself but I'm sort of worried about logistics, and I don't want my own prejudices to bias who gets a share and not.

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:05 (one month ago) Permalink

can vouch for foodrunners being awesome. may be a middleman, but they know what they're doing wrt food hygiene standards and nobody in your company has to worry about an foodborne liability

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:27 (one month ago) Permalink

did anyone else see the meteor last night?! that was fucking crazy

also, quality police department we have here: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/SF-cop-who-d-been-suspended-for-racist-texts-13479730.php

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Saw the vapor trail afterward -- crazy indeed!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:47 (one month ago) Permalink

I was driving east at the time and was like wtf why is that cloud glowing, I couldn't figure it out

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:50 (one month ago) Permalink

heyo I have two tickets to see SLEEP at the Great American tonight…. But I am sick ☹
On the off-chance that anyone is in town tonight and wants to see this show (which is sold out), or knows anyone who wants to see this show, plz let me know and I will happily sell my tix! webmail me. Tix were $60 apiece.

Οὖτις, Saturday, 29 December 2018 16:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

eh?

Οὖτις, Saturday, 29 December 2018 20:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Already got mine so alas. Sorry you can’t make it!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 December 2018 20:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I am pretty pissed

Οὖτις, Saturday, 29 December 2018 20:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

file under people who you thought were dead ... hadn't thought about that guy in like 20 years ... for some reason I thought he'd died of an OD or cancer like 15 yrs ago or somethig

sarahell, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 23:12 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah well
San Francisco and what to do in it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 23:16 (one week ago) Permalink

(although that guy calls Monoshock "The Monoshocks" lol)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 10 January 2019 01:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Wet enough for ya?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:47 (three days ago) Permalink


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