San Francisco and what to do in it

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So. Clarke B. [from ILM] and I are going to San Fran. in mid-August for about 2 weeks or so. Neither of us has been to CA [or the West Coast for that matter] so we need some advice. If you had 2 weeks to spend in the area, would you spend all of it in San Fran? What about a week in SF and a week in Portland?

What are some things in either city that we shouldn't miss [touristy or otherwise]? Record stores (we've got Amoeba covered)? Good places to get a brew, brah? What about music venues? Favorite restaurants? Coffee? Anything would be helpful at this point, since we don't know what we're doing.

We'd also be up for hanging out, FAPing, whatever with anyone in the area. Thanks!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

there are a lot of gays

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:10 (seventeen years ago) link

and hippies

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

whoo! unwashed buttsex

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, we were going to go to Germany, but what with all the Nazis and all... Seriously, though, any help you could provide would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Aquarius records in the Mission district is essential and key. So's the Basque restaurant, but i'm not remembering exactly where it is. Maybe Mr. Barrus will manifest himself and make the hidden known.

There's a couple of ferry/harbor cruises that give you a great view of things. Can't recommend directly by name, however. I know, i'm useless.

City Lights bookstore? Yeah, you should hit that too.

Isotope Lounge on i think Noriega is a great comic shop, if you're into that sort of thing.

You could always go score at Golden Gate Park, too. That's good for a chuckle...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys are also going to come down to LA of course. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

City Lights - YES!
O'Farrell Theater - worth it just for the anecdotes.
Love the Exploratorium and all of the museums - if you've the time and car access and so forth, run south to Santa Cruz and Monterey Bay.

And, oddly enough, there is an excellent Japanese restaurant down at the Pier 39 (ir whatever) tourist mecca - hidden about two blocks down from the Ripley's museum - on the same side of the road - beautful - traditional service - a real treat.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Ooooohhhh and also try to find an older taxi-driver (one that looks like they've been in SF for a long time) and pay them to take you on a tour - explain that you want to experience the thrill of rushing up and down the hills at full speed. It's worth it.

And check-out Glide Memorial Church, in the tenderloin - wonderful, beautiful, a bit scary, and it's one of the few places in the U.S. that you can share your pew with TVs and prostitutes and dominatrixes and so forth - I love it!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link is very good, with a well currated, if smallish collection. the asian musuem is wonderful, almost encyopedic and one of the best buildings in a long time.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

throw rocks at the borribles.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:07 (seventeen years ago) link

after City Lights go have a beer at Cafe Vesuvio for me. Yeah, it's Beat-tourist-fake-chic, but it's cool anyway. Screw hataz, I got wrecked in that place.

And what's the name of that restaurant on the highway that looks right over the ocean? My mom and brother and I almost got thrown out of there for causing a drunken ruckus.

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

so the real answer is: DRINK

Neudonym, Thursday, 3 July 2003 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

bay guardian
east bay express
sf weekly

record stores:
amoeba (haight/stanyan)
aquarius (21st/valencia)
open mind (oak/divisadero)

brew brah:
toronado (haight/fillmore)
kilowatt (16th/albion)
zeitgeist (13th/valencia)
call 415-863-8350 and make a reservation for the anchor brewery tour, best deal in town (ie, free and plentiful beer).

music venues:
hemlock (polk/hemlock)
bottom of the hill (17th/missouri)
379 40th st (oakland)

music listings:
the list

the luggage store (market/6th)
5024 (fillmore/waller)
111 minna

el castillito (church/duboce) cheap mexican
farolito (24th/mission) cheap mexican
hotei (9th/irving) mid price ramen house
indian oven (haight/fillmore) mid price indian
kay cheung (jackson/ross) cheap dim sum
pakwan (16th/guerrero) cheap pakistani
powells (hayes/octavia) cheap soul food/fried chicken
sawa (divisadero/hayes) mid price eritrean
shimo (25th/clement) mid price japanese
thep phanom (haight/waller) mid price thai
yummy yummy (11th/irving) cheap pho house

uh... i can go on and on here...

this is a start let me know what else you want. i can get the MSP to add some east bay recommendations as he is more familiar with that area than i am...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

if you happen to go to Coit Tower, you can throw rocks down the hill and try to hit gygax at work

more record stores:
grooves (1797 Market) -- all vinyl
groove merchant (687 Haight St) -- all vinyl. soul, jazz, breaks. kinda like a west coast dusty groove
street light (3979 24th St @ Noe) & (2350 Market St @ Castro)

more food:
la taqueria (mission @ 25th) -- my favorite carne asada burritos
bean bag (hayes @ divisidero) -- cheap good pasta. get the trieste
asqew grill (1607 haight) -- amazing skewers and mashed potatoes
cha cha cha (upper haight near amoeba) -- great tapas and sangria

don't miss the Exploratorium. hands on science experiments. cool shit. makes you feel like a kid again.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link

This is great, you guys. I'm super-excited about cheap but good food, and I was planning to check out Anchor anyway -- I love their beer. How feasible is it to do a day trip to, like, Napa Valley for instance?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Napa's an easy day trip. it's about an hour and a half or so from the city. you might even want to just go to Sonoma. it's pretty much the same thing, but maybe 1/2 hour closer. the drive there can be kinda rough. the little lady gets sea sick every time we go there.

and i know we've named specific places where you'd go, but there are great areas to go shopping in.

obviously there's Haight. Upper Haight (from masonic to stanyan) is a 5-6 block area of commodified rebellion. record stores, food, clothing, tattoos. yada yada. Lower Haight (webster to scott) is a little less compacted, but has a few record stores (more on the dj side of stuff), restaurants, and flea market-y kindsa places.

Union Square is where all the name brand kinda stores are. lotsa department stores, nike town, mall-ish kinda stuff. but there are maybe 5-10 square blocks of shopping and eating there's also a Rasputins music and a Virgin Megastore. and Blondies, next to rasputin, is probably one of the best pizza joints in town.

the castro has a bunch of stuff to do (records, food), but i wouldn't really go shopping for clothes there unless you wanna look like you went shopping at International Male

and then in Berkeley, across the bay bridge, there's Telegraph Ave, which is kinda like upper Haight. there's an Amoeba, Rasputins and Blondies there too.

(you can see from my recomendations the only things i spend my money on are music and food)

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

a couple other good watering holes:
edinburgh castle - (geary/polk) scottish pub
500 club (17th/guerrero)
uptown (17th/capp)

you guys gonna rent a car? napa/sonoma are 1 hour's drive north. let me know if you want recommendations for vineyards.
(my favorite tasting room that i'd recommend for you young hipster dudes is bonny doon in santa cruz... about 90 minutes south of SF)

best pizza:
tomasso's (broadway/montgomery) - ranked top 5 pizzas in the USA by i forget who
zachary's (rockridge and n. berkeley - east bay) - unbelievable deep dish / stuffed pies

decent clothes shopping in the castro: Rolo but find a $ugar daddy first.

neighborhood guides

the mission district has decent shopping/peoplewatching between 16th and 24th streets bordered east/west by mission and valencia. bars/restaurants/shops (aquarius is here, as are some of the tacquerias mentioned above).

haight street between masonic and stanyan draws the line between hippy and hipster.

north beach (columbus between filbert and jackson and adjacent blocks) is nice on a sunny day, washington square park, st. peter/paul cathedral, italian cafes, some funny record stores: 101 records, the basement of 513 green st. @ grant is probably the only record store of it's kind in existance. there is one small block of hipsterism around powell and columbus.

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

eat Rice-A-Roni straight from the source

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Fantastic stuff here from gygax! and others. To add just a few more:

Frjtz on Hayes street is awesome Belgian fries, and BPM right next door is maybe the city's best dance-music specialist (smallish place, but they'll let you listen to anything in stock, CDs as well as vinyl)

Also more online listings:
transbay calendar

Paul will not be in Santa Cruz in August (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

best indian restaurants are rasoi on valencia @ 21st (next to Aquarius Records) and, allegedly, the two adjacent indian places next door to the Hemlock on Polk, one of which is expensive, one of which is cheap, and they share the same kitchen.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Some good bars:
Laszlo (on Mission - part of the Foreign Cinema restaurant - which is great too)
Tunnel Top (on Bush)
Beauty Bar (on Mission - depends on the night, but great bar DJ and people going wild dancing)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn, I have to get to that Foreign Cinema place in the next few weeks, though the website kind of scares me with it's pomposity and pretension.

Now that I'm (kind of) a native, I can recommend a Greek restaurant called Kokkari..."something" in the Financial District, but it's not cheap.

The coffee in Berkeley all smells amazing. Try it for me, as it looks like I'm off the evil bean indefinitely, damnit.

I expect Sean to pop up and recommend Jardiniere in Hayes Valley, as he usually does. ;)

If it's a nice day, get a ferry over to Sausalito, but don't bother getting off. It's full of rats.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

more neighborhoods:

Nob Hill = MUST SEE: grace cathedral park (nabisco and chris v. *cry* on cue). also: fancy hotels, aristocratic history of last 150 years of SF, good views, in between union square and china town but it's a hike. the fairmont hotel has a super cheezy (but fun! or ?) tiki bar that has a decent happy hour... $5-6 but very potent drinks.

Potrero Hill:
not too much to see, but if you go to Bottom Of The Hill head up to 18th street between Connecticut and Arkansas, there is a couple good shops/restaurants/cafes... i recommend the coffee place (have no idea what it's called) and Eliza's for reasonable "gwai lo" style Hunan/Mandarin hybrid. Very good. Not sure how authentic you want your chinese food but this is good for SF-style. just west down mariposa from the bottom of the hill is the parkside another great bar that has good live music sometimes.

The Tenderloin:
The seedy underbelly of SF. Don't let it scare you, it's actually pretty mellow despite a high-profile of crime (sex/drugs). Lots of music happenings here: The Great American Music Hall (capacity 800), the Hemlock, the Edinburgh Castle (sometimes great shows/readings upstairs). Naan & Curry (o'farrell/leavenworth) is a easy/great/cheap indian. the big vietnamese place (i'm blanking on the name) on geary/larkin is not bad, the spicy shrimp appetizer will probably blow your head off if you're into that sort of thing.

inner sunset:
centered around 9th/irving lots of shops/restaurants cafes, more of a residential neighborhood. i recommended a couple asian restaurants in this area for good reason.

inner richmond:
across golden gate park from the sunset, there is some great shopping to be done on clement street... try green apple books (clement/5th), the best bookstore in SF, they have music too. there's lots of restaurants/large theatres (balboa/coronet) in this area too...

if you go to the cafe du norde for a show, head up market until it just can't get any queerer. in the mid-70s the castro replaced polk street as cruiser central and there's no turning back now. the castro theatre is the nicest theater i've set my foot in, excellent arty indie-friendly programming (i've seen yo la tengo and superchunk score silent films here)... beautiful beaux arts bronzework inside, you won't be treated to the pipe organist during matinees, but the evening program is worth coming early for the wurlitzer short performance.

[sidenote - excellent rep/revival theatres:
the red vic - haight/cole
roxie cinema - 16th/valencia [kindly note: check back on this link in two weeks]

Home of your SF Giants. Even if you hate baseball, you will have a good time at PacBell Park. Sitting along the bay a short walk/Muni ride from downtown, you can get standing room tickets for $8 and sneakily find a seat and enjoy the game. Food/drink is expensive but try the bratwurst/hot dogs with grilled onions at the stand around section 104/105 ($4-$6) if that's your scene. Unless you go on Sunday, you stand a good chance of seeing the greatest player in the game (ever?) hit a homerun into the bay. (Aug 5-10;19-24)

more later

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wow - thank you guys so so much. i haven't even had time to read all of this closely but i already know that it's majorly helpful. :) :)

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm printing this thread out, now I just need a job...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

...Also, the one thing I had in London I can't yet find in SF- a shitty little record store that is actually full of cheap promos and pre-releases that I can hawk on ebay at profit. Is that asking so much?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem with (most) san francisco record stores is that the staff actually know what they're doing. the buyers and used buyers actually know what a product is worth before they price it.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah Nordic, you're the only one with that idea here... :-p

that being said, i still find some great stuff in the bargain bins at amoeba (which are bigger than most stores inventories) it's just so colossal and chaotic that it scares away most people.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Amoeba makes my palms sweaty.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

so that was you the other day!?!

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Foreign Cinema is really not pretentious at all (although, yeah, the website is all Flash nonsense), go late and then hit Laszlo and have a Blood Orange drink.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

well, it's as unpretentious as a restaurant that plays foreign movies on a huge wall while you eat can be.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

(i have never gone there nor has anyone that i know!)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not surprised gygax, you're always so contrarian!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

no i'm not

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

(you totally just missed your chance on asking me out btw)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Cafe Abir is a nice place to hang out in and drink coffee or beer or stuff. It's on that road that wiggles a bit and then turns into Castro.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

that's on the northwest corner of divisadero/fulton (great sushi secret spot next door but it's not quite student-priced). ask JasonD if he remembers.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

(I kid, I kid - post-burst SF is actually supremely pleasant again)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Can I say how much I love the phrasing in the thread title? It's like San Francisco is this big bucket of puddy you soothe your body in.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Tsunami (the place gygax is talking about) was the best sushi i've ever had in my entire life. but that's because we sat at the bar and gygax knew the chef.

i went back a few weeks later and had the worst experience in my entire life. bad service, a waitress that wispers even though the music is loud, and she has a tongue ring and has a lisp so you can't understand her even if she did speak up. they made us sit at a super small table (like 2 square feet) for 5 people. and half of the table had this artsy rock formation in the middle of it. we had to put our drinks on the ground because there wasn't enough room. the food was good, but the service was bad, which made the food kinda bad.

moral of story is, go there with gygax or don't go there at all.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

San Francisco is very much a roulette wheel as far as my experiences. A lot of really, really great people, and also a lot of really, really smug assholes.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

a nice neighborhood bar/dance spot The Make Out Room on 22nd ST near Mission, good drinks, reasonable, good acoustics, nice crowd mix, LGTB as well as straight dot com blowouts. The coffee house across the street is nice, has outdoor tables, a Zapatista theme. Open late. In North Beach a cheap vietnamese resturant called My Cam something btwn Grant and Stockton on Broadway, and of course the sites and sounds of the can lady (a reycling matron in the Asian community). The Castro is great if you want, late food: Baghdad Cafe Noe & Mrkt, and if your a quality bitch: The Castro Smoke Shop on Castro has fresh fags.

jameluc, Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

don't forget to sit around smugly musing about being in "the best place on earth"!

well, better than smogville. i did inform you that i might be relocating , stop rubbing it in. (JasonD please treat as CONFIDENTIAL! PLEASE)

wrt "the boom"!: The boom wasn't so bothersome (so long as you ignored the establishments that catered to the boomers...) i mean really spencer, nothing says "dotcom SF" like foreign cinema:

"We were kind of the place for the chic, young, Prada-wearing, cell phone-carrying, CNBC-watching crowd, and for a while we were packed every night," explained Bruce McDonald, owner of the Foreign Cinema restaurant in San Francisco's Mission district.

Foreign Cinema, located in a spacious warehouse, complete with a wall-sized movie screen for diners' entertainment, used to serve 400 people a night. That number fell to as few as 30 late last year, as unemployment in the Internet sector mounted and surviving dot-com companies started watching their pennies.

To try to win back customers, Foreign Cinema recently revamped its pricey French Bistro menu to offer somewhat lower priced American comfort food like pork chops.

The film fare has changed, from esoteric foreign films to some cheerier all-American musicals like "Singing in the Rain." Comfort entertainment to go with the comfort food, which it is serving in increasingly large portions.

Foreign Cinema sees its moves as critical to its survival. It wants to reach out to an older, somewhat less stylish crowd that may not have money to burn but has enough to eat out from time to time.

"I do mourn the old days," McDonald said. "Life was a hell of a lot easier and you could count on a lot of money coming in. Now you have to work hard for it."


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm starting a new thread to keep this one on topic.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm gonna group stuff in regions... word to the wise... PARKING SUCKS. it's better and cheaper than parking in the city, but it still can be tricky. BART if you can.

berkeley, university ave and shattuck.

straight off the downtown berkeley bart.

modlang ( - for latest uk imports. lot's of garage and psych stuff. very pop-oriented.

the comic store next to modlang rocks. i can't remember the name.

crepes a go-go... my favorite crepe place in the bay. i like it because it's not as frou frou as all those dumbass gourmet places. the (dark) chocolate, banana, coconut crepe is just perfect in semi-sweetness, texture, and fillingness.

there's a lot more in this area foodwise, etc. great china. sushiboat (or sushico). thai e sun.

if you head north on shattuck you find the gourmet ghetto where nouveau cuisine came from. the cheese board is the shit there for breads and cheeses. there's a deli next to a pegasus books that also rocks. barney's burgers is good. cha'am on shattuck is really really good thai.

berkeley... telegraph and durant

a 10 minute stroll up from downtown berkeley BART...

amoeba - the berkeley location doesn't have as good a used selection but the new stuff is just as together and it's a block down from rasputin's, which is another large store that isn't amoeba haight, but still decent. rasputins has a BUTTLOAD of seven inches. that's right. a buttload. both of these stores are also in the telegraph area of berkeley which has both moe's and cody's books, and more ... plus lot's of great food.

cafe intermezzo has awesome pbhb sandwiches...peanut butter honey and banana on big, thick wheat bread. the salads there are easily two meals and really good.

blue nile... great egyptian food.

top dog on durant is a favorite for hot dogs and stuff.

king pin donut on durant will make you fat with glee. the buttermilk donuts are pretty awesome. it's also on the end of the asian hallway... where you can pretty much get fast food asian of many different varieties. some better than others... but generally edible.

this area's also pretty well hooked up with vintage clothing stores and stuff and lot's of street vendors with all the dirty hippie hook ups you could possibly want.

Rockridge at college ave... off Rockridge Bart station.

great food... zacharay's deep dish chicago pizza is the shit.

pearl of siam is decent thai.

cactus taqueria is one of my favorite burrito joints... it's right off the bart there. it's probably not authentic enough... but it's all natural and way good.

barney's is there if you want burgers and shakes and curly fries that rock.

there's a dreyers ice cream store here. yum!

also on this stop is pendragon books... a small place that's pretty well packed... and another book store that's south on college on the right that i can't remember the name. both are very tasteful and have a great collection of the latest bits.

saturn records kicks ass. it's a small crowded place. there's a small section of spockmorgue weirdo stuff you can't find most places. it's also one of the best place in the bay area to find collector's vinyl. if you wanna tempt yourself with $30 trips to rarity heaven, saturn will probably do you right. i also like it cause they've got very condensed sections of certain types of music. pan through their punk section and you'll find the best of the best. you won't find the latest or the rare name... but there's a quality you usually don't find at most stores in the area.

i could describe a few other hoods... but but but...

msp, Friday, 4 July 2003 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, I didn't realize there was so much to do in Berkeley. We were only thinking of staying a night or two there (we're staying in hostels, aka we're poor) but maybe we should add a night or two on there, since that's the cheaper hostel anyway. I mean, I guess central San Fran and Berkeley aren't that far apart anyways, but good to know. Thank you so much!!

stolenbus (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Cesar in Berkeley, next to Chez Panisse, is a very fun place to go in the afternoon, or at around 9pm. Great Tapas and very well designed space.

Also, I always eat at a Barney's whenever I'm in the Bay Area. The curly-fries are great for hangovers!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, we booked the flight and everything! We'll be in town August 14th through the 26th... Now we need a listening itinerary... If you were to plan a trip to SF, what 5 or 10 CDs would you take? ;-)

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Friday, 4 July 2003 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Xpost, Kaiser. It’s whatever they have that day. I got Moderna.

that's not my post, Sunday, 28 March 2021 14:50 (three weeks ago) link

I like it

I tried to find the DJ behind the Moscone Center vaccination site's piped-in music, and the story just kept getting better.

From "Sidewalk Talk" to "Sir Duke," here's S.F.'s upbeat vaccination soundtrack.

(Playlist included.)

— Peter Hartlaub (@peterhartlaub) March 30, 2021

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:50 (three weeks ago) link

helpful info here for anyone looking for vaccine appointments

basically a compilation of sites & tips for navigating all the options

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 18:23 (three weeks ago) link

ugh, this is so lame

The Lone Palm bar is now the No Palm Bar 😢@BrokeAssStuart @lucchesi @hknightsf

— Helmut the Schmidt (@sfhelmut) April 3, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 3 April 2021 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

That's too bad. Always liked that bar.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 5 April 2021 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

Bob Wachter's COVID thread from yesterday was solid stuff re the likelihood of a fourth surge and how doesn't see it in the city. And certainly our stats remain pretty amazing.

1/ Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles, Day 383

Perhaps the most confusing time since the start of the pandemic – its easy to be overwhelmed. I’ll try to make sense of some of the key trends, particularly the “4th surge” & vaccines vs variants.

Bottom line: I’m still leaning optimistic.

— Bob Wachter (@Bob_Wachter) April 4, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 April 2021 16:14 (two weeks ago) link

I just found out that Rainbow Grocery does curbside pickup!

Ovid-19 (Leee), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 18:57 (two weeks ago) link


BREAKING: San Francisco is developing guidelines that will allow indoor live events to resume on April 15, the mayor’s office announced on Thursday. 🙌

Read more here:
via @MusicSF and @LilyJaniak

— SFChronicle Datebook (@SFC_Datebook) April 8, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:18 (one week ago) link

Josie hamming it up:
If you live in the Excelsior, check this out!

Just got a shot scheduled for Saturday.

DJI, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:50 (one week ago) link

Sorry about that first sentence. Copy pasta.

DJI, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:50 (one week ago) link

Excelsior numbers doing really well in general too -- over half the neighborhood has at least one shot now.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:29 (one week ago) link

My old neighborhood. People would always be like, "You live in the boonies," and I would respond, "It is very quiet at night, and my room opens onto a yard with a lemon tree and a koi pond," and they'd shut up.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:33 (one week ago) link

Yeah we had a lemon tree and a beautiful Japanese maple tree at my old place in Mission Terrace.

DJI, Thursday, 8 April 2021 21:08 (one week ago) link

Hello! My wife and I are planning a relatively last minute two-week road trip to the west coast, starting May 9. We have a two year old toddler in tow.

Don't want to try to pack too much in, partly because of the toddler and partly because only my wife has a driver's license. So though I'd love to go all the way down to southern California (and indeed start in Seattle), I think it makes more sense to just do Portland to SF.

This is a rough itinerary we came up with. How does it look?

✈️ to Portland, spend one night there
1.5hrs drive
2 nights Cannon Beach
4hrs drive
1 night Newport
4.5hrs drive
1 night Gold Beach
4hrs drive
1 night Arcata
3hrs drive
2 night Mendocino
4.5hrs drive
2 nights San Francisco
1hr50 drive
1 night Monterey (maybe time to venture to Big Sur?)
3hr20 drive
3 nights Tenaya Lodge in Yosemite (they have babysitters you can hire there!)
3hr30 drive
San Francisco ✈️

Alba, Saturday, 10 April 2021 18:37 (one week ago) link

I'll be happy to help you with Monterey/Carmel tips, but unless you leave very early from SF you won't be able to get in to too much of Big Sur (but if you can, go to Nepenthe).

The general itinerary seems good on the California front, Mendocino's very lovely and I've heard good things re Arcata but haven't been to the area in many years. Yosemite is excellent and it's good you're taking the time there.

2 nights in SF won't allow you to do *everything* but of course we're still reopening cautiously so it may all balance out. Assuming things hold steady all around by then it may be a good time for an open air FAP -- then again, are you all vaccinated at this point or what's your plan here?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 April 2021 18:47 (one week ago) link

Thanks Ned! I was thinking of the Big Sur trip being from when we stayed the night in Monterey, but maybe if we have only one night there there's too much to see. Could always extend it to two nights in Monterey and reduce Mondocino or Cannon Beach to one night instead.

Alba, Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:35 (one week ago) link

Vaccination: we should be fully immunized by May 9. The whole trip rests on this!

Alba, Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:36 (one week ago) link

Re: Yosemite, be sure to get a pass ahead of time as they are limiting numbers of visitors. Your Lodge reservation may be sufficient but worth checking.

that's not my post, Saturday, 10 April 2021 20:50 (one week ago) link

Good to hear re vaccinations (I'm already covered so yeah, some outdoor chat/drink somewhere should be fine). Arcata to Mendocino, if you're taking the 1, will take the day so two nights there is wise; Mendocino's a lovely area to enjoy with leisure. You can still do Big Sur, but I'd just leave early from SF, get yourself checked in to your Monterey hotel and then use the afternoon for Big Sur; alternately you can leave earlyish, just drive through Monterey and get down to Nepenthe in Big Sur for lunch (it gets busy really quick, so I'd be there before the restaurant itself opens; they have plenty of outdoor seating) and then backtrack at your leisure; I definitely would at least recommend maybe a Carmel Beach visit or spending the toll money to do the Pebble Beach 17 Mile Drive. Again, if you need specific food recommendations in Monterey or thereabouts, just ask.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:23 (one week ago) link

Am now wondering if we might enjoy ourselves more by cutting the ground we cover right back by just flying to San Franscisci and spending four nights there (but going for day trips), five Monterey and four in Yosemite before flying back. If we didn’t have a kid it would be a different matter but we may be spreading ourselves too thin to really soak it all in by squeezing in Oregon too. Hmm …

Alba, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:46 (one week ago) link

I generally prefer more days in fewer places, but ymmv.

DJI, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:48 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I think you’re right. OK, conversation with my wife about incoming …

The romance of the long trip down the coast (seeing as we’ve definitely not got time go across the country) is strong but we’d probably just end up exhausted and arguing.

Alba, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:53 (one week ago) link

The trip from San Francisco to Santa Cruz is pretty stunning.

DJI, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:59 (one week ago) link

(on the 1, of course)

DJI, Sunday, 11 April 2021 01:00 (one week ago) link

Yeah I was going to say, if you did something where you flew in to SF and did stuff (and yes, take a day trip through Marin or into Sonoma at least), then took the 1 down to Monterey and then settled in there for the day, then a day for Big Sur, another day for Carmel and Carmel Valley, a day in Monterey and Pacific Grove, well there are far worse ways to spend your time. I'm also thinking with a two year old that this may just be an easier time of it to do these kind of concentrated stops in three areas like you suggest! And if you have a Monterey/PG day that's perfect timing for the Monterey Bay Aquarium if they've reopened by then -- I think that's on the cards.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 01:08 (one week ago) link

Another advantage of the 1 from SF to Monterey via Santa Cruz is you don't have to leave early, could get lunch in Santa Cruz (various spots I can suggest -- pretty solid microbrewing scene there as in Monterey as well), then make your way to Monterey from there, just another hour along.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 01:10 (one week ago) link

Actually I see you're planning five nights in Monterey -- great! I might almost suggest a further day trip on another day there to San Juan Bautista -- the mission there is a remarkable location (famously featured in Vertigo, though the tower was a creation for the film), the historical exhibits are also remarkable. I have a family connection there too -- my grandparents are buried in the nearby cemetery -- and Jardines makes for a fantastic spot for lunch in a very old school California Mexican way.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 01:15 (one week ago) link

All this sounds very appealing! Vertigo-spotting might make up nicely for giving up on the Twin Peaks tourism (the original plan was to start all the way up in Washington). This is going to be so good. And yes, would love to find time for an outdoor drink!

Alba, Sunday, 11 April 2021 01:32 (one week ago) link

Excellent, well you know where to find me! And if any other SF/East Bay folks want to make this a combination catchup...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 05:41 (one week ago) link

While highway 1 is more scenic, it is way slower than taking 101 ... it really depends on how much time you feel like sitting in a car.

If it were me, and you've already driven down the coast from Portland, and will resume driving down the coast at some point -- I would take 101 South from SF, and stop in San Juan for lunch -- it's a small place, and definitely suitable for a small child to run around after having sat in a car for a while. ... You can then pretty easily get back on the highway and go to Monterey.

Central Coast Natives like me and Ned will likely have our disagreements about what is worth seeing and how much time to spend at various places. ... If you want to look at luxury hotels and golf courses, by all means do the 17 Mile Drive near Pebble Beach. My personal recommendation is going from Monterey up to Santa Cruz and seeing the really cool looking power plant at Moss Landing ... there also is a pretty good restaurant with outdoor areas in Moss Landing.

sarahell, Sunday, 11 April 2021 18:08 (one week ago) link

Moss Landing is indeed lovely and if you do the SF/Santa Cruz/Monterey route by the 1 you’ll pass right through it. Well worth a stop.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:41 (one week ago) link

Also, if you really want to get your Hitchcock on: have one day trip from SF be specifically to Santa Rosa in Sonoma County. Said city is where Shadow of a Doubt was filmed; it was also Charles Schulz’s home for decades and is where the Schulz museum is located.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:46 (one week ago) link

Santa Rosa is also the home of Russian River Brewery, which makes several of the best beers I've ever had.

Fetchboy, Monday, 12 April 2021 14:13 (one week ago) link

You can also go to Santa Rosa to spend time in/by the actual Russian River.

sarahell, Monday, 12 April 2021 15:03 (one week ago) link

All of you telling Alba to skip actual northern California and southern Oregon are out of your minds.

Alba, the prettiest and most unspoiled parts of CA are in the north, don't take it off your itinerary. The central coast is pretty meh in comparison, imho.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 12 April 2021 15:19 (one week ago) link

If anything I'd say cut out Monterey entirely and skip over the mountains from Arcata to Mount Shasta, spend a day and a night there, then drive down to SF on the 5.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 12 April 2021 15:20 (one week ago) link

Current state of new plan, which reinstates Oregon, though not the southern part! Yosemite the casualty. Like the idea of just taking it easy in a rental in Gold Beach and pottering about the quiet coast there before hitting SF. Monterey I mainly want to be in as a base of exploring Big Sur. Though someone on a parents’ group recommends the quieter Pacific Grove instead of Monterey.

Portland 2 nights
5hr30 via Florence
Gold Beach 4 nights
7hr17 drive
San Francisco 4 nights
2hr30 drive
Monterey 4 nights
3hr30 drive
San Francisco ✈️

Alba, Monday, 12 April 2021 17:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah Pacific Grove I'll happily recommend -- it's literally right next to Monterey on the peninsula, just up from the Aquarium too, and has a huge amount of bed and breakfasts, etc.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 April 2021 17:24 (one week ago) link

Anyway this seems like a very good plan for sure! It is a pity you'll miss Yosemite -- it's a true treasure -- but maybe another time.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 April 2021 17:25 (one week ago) link

Would still say the 1 from SF to Monterey could be worth it if you're wanting to absolutely maximize coast time, but that can be your call since you'll be getting quite a bit as it is!

Sarahell's suggestion of San Juan Bautista en route from SF to Monterey certainly works and you could spend a day trip jaunt to Moss Landing/Santa Cruz separately from Monterey if you like. I will note one thing, though, about that SF/San Jose/Gilroy/Monterey route -- in recent years traffic has gotten NOTORIOUSLY slow around Morgan Hill and Gilroy as more and more people end up there to 'get away' from San Jose and all. My sis and I are visiting my folks in Carmel in a couple of weekends and we've already gamed out when we'll go precisely because of that (in this case an early Saturday morning). This certainly also depends on day and time of day but you could easily be in a situation where it's as long via the 1 from SF to Monterey as it would be via the 101 -- and if the choice is moving down the coast some more with those views and reasonably quickly, even with Santa Cruz on the way, and being stuck on the 101 between Morgan Hill and Gilroy wondering if/when things will move, you really should consider the former choice! (Another slight advantage -- San Juan Bautista's turnoff is past Gilroy when you're going south, so going up from Monterey for a visit instead can be smoother. That said, again, traffic can be tight sometimes on that stretch of 101 between Prunedale and Gilroy regardless. Whatever else you do, give yourself plenty of time to get out of Monterey early to get to SFO when you're leaving.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 April 2021 17:35 (one week ago) link

For my money tabes is otm, that northern coast into oregon is spectacular

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Monday, 12 April 2021 22:47 (one week ago) link

Look tbh for the tax free outlet malls alone......

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Monday, 12 April 2021 22:49 (one week ago) link

xxp idk, except for during old school rush hour, I can drive the speed limit and make it from downtown Oakland to Gilroy in no more than 90 minutes on 101. ... At least since the road between the last suburban San Jose exit and Cochrane got widened from the dire two lanes it had been for decades, which was where the traffic got super slow (outside of the 101/280 merge and the mess at Tully Rd. or when there was a game).

Idk, I guess the question is ... would yr kid be stoked to look out the window and occasionally see cows? If yes, then 101. If not stoked about cows, then it's really about traffic tbh.

sarahell, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 08:01 (one week ago) link

I think he'd be quite into the cows but my secret hope is that driving in a car is enough of a novelty in itself to keep him happy.

Any tips on where to stay in San Francisco itself? Looking at Airbnb, there are a lot more affordable options in Daly City but would that be a good base or not?

Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:21 (two days ago) link

Places under $250 a night with two bedrooms:

Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:23 (two days ago) link

I guess I should have done a bit of googling before asking that. The answer is no, right?

The other thing is whether it's going to be possible/wise for us to keep our rental car while we're in SF, parking-wise. I kind of wanted to hang on to it for trips outside but maybe it's impractical. Or is there an area near SF that's both easy to get into the city on public transport and easier to park in for trips further afield.

We're still planning to spend three or four nights in Monterey or somewhere near it at the end of the vacation, for trips to Big Sur etc.

Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:29 (two days ago) link

Last time I was in SF I stayed at a Home2 a little ways from the airport. It was clean, inexpensive, and an easy drive into the city without having to go across the Bay Bridge.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 18 April 2021 00:33 (two days ago) link

Thanks Moodles. Yes, looking into it, hotels seems to be better value than Airbnb – we'd want a suite with two connecting rooms but this, near the airport looks like it might be the kind of thing:

On the car, I'm realizing we can just forgo it and use Zipcars if we need one.

Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 01:01 (two days ago) link

That hotel is right at the San Bruno BART station.

that's not my post, Sunday, 18 April 2021 01:20 (two days ago) link

As with all such stories, reductive, but it's still one of the better ones on the subject in terms of mass media

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 April 2021 17:47 (two days ago) link

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