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What are my reasons for leaving my current job?

"I'm looking to move into a more creative and challenging position outside of a university/library environment in order to progress my career and achieve much greater personal and job satisfaction."

How's that?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, and mark s, I need some advice about arts funding etcetera, would it be alright to email you about this and pick your brain at some stage?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 11:59 (sixteen years ago) link

you could put something in after the progressing your career bit about increasing your knowledge base/ learning stuff in a wider business environment?

chris (chris), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Good man Chris. It's only a tiny space on the form mind, but I'll squeeze that in.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Sounds good Nick, def.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Personally, I would just go with the postives and leave out "outside of a university/library environment in order".

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Good idea jel, accentuate the positive and all that.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I fucking hate job applications. The boxes asking for bolloxing HR speak Demonstarte in this postage stramp sized space a time when you have shown motivation/initiative/fish-gutting skills.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, why can't all jobs be CV and covering letter.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Because that needs no thinking whatsoever Ed, you could get a proforma cv off the net for instance. At least a form requires a degree of thought and also gives potential interviewers some idea about the person and more potential questions.

CVs and letters are possibly the worst way to recruit.

chris (chris), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:23 (sixteen years ago) link

The boxes asking for bolloxing HR speak Demonstarte in this postage stramp sized space a time when you have shown motivation/initiative/fish-gutting skills

but the postage stamp area is a good thing! some of the ones when i was applying would have nearly a full side of A4 for you to fill for a question like this? some had like 4 or 5 different but similar questions on the same form, and you had to use different examples of when you saved the world for each question:(


gareth (gareth), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link

i hate it when they really dont care that you have a website with all this information on

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link

A mate of mine who worked in recruiitment said he could always trell within five seconds whether someone's CV had taken any thought or whwther it had just been filled-in form -style. he said, and I agree, that a good, original, interesting CV, laid-out well, was much better than even an incedibly thoughtfully filled-out form.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I recently applied for the job I've been doing temporarily for the last 11 months, and it took me ages to fill in the application form! At first I was really peeved, but then, it does make you think, it prepares you for interview, and it really pushed things to the front of my mind that needed to be there if I was successful with my application (which I'm pleased to say i was)

From the other side, reading application forms is much more informative in the selection process than just a cv and covering letter. it immediately illustrates who has spent time on their application, and also indicates what there level of knowledge about the position and subject is, if they've taken the time to tailor their answers to the position.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link

a friend of a friend put his cv inside an orange. another cv was in the form of a wooden puzzle box.

he got the job

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

haha nick yr welcome to email but i know zip abt it!! that infamous piece i wz editing on monday — ie not by me — wz thin and dull, and probbly constitutes the sum total of my knowledge!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

a friend of mine had her cv printed out the size of a wall poster and laminated!!

(she DIDN'T get the job)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I much rather the covering letter as a way of expressing why I want the job, why I'd be good at it and why the hell should you employ me.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link

How do you put your CV inside an orange, pray tell?

PS. Alright then mark, maybe I wont email yer!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Nick, what kinds of arts funding info are you looking for? i may (slim chance) be able to help

H (Heruy), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Just anything to do with arts and arts funding really. I need to feed my knowledge.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link

im not entirely sure how he put it in the orange, it was kind of pre-peeled, and then it was sticking out in various shards or something. i never saw it, but i did see the wooden box cv

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link

If I got a cv inside an orange on my desk, I'd probably chuck it away thinking "I don't remember putting that all candidates have to be either WAcKy!!! or even better Zayneeeeeee!!!!"

chris (chris), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link

nick, are you on AIM right now? if so send me a shout "H in Addis" it might be easier.

if not, arts funding in any particular area - ie. arts & development, specific fields, only in UK, exchange related etc

H (Heruy), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

gareth's friend works for an advertising agency i presume?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:25 (sixteen years ago) link

H, I can't get on AIM at work, unfortunately. I'll email you.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

yea, steve, it was advertising, i should have said. i dont think that would have got him very far if he had gone for my job

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Just applied for a new job, does this supporting statement(with some sensitive info removed) sound ok?

I am applying for this vacancy as it offers an excellent opportunity to both develop and consolidate the extensive experience I've gained in more than 10 years in administration in the public, commercial and banking sectors. The University of Life represents exactly the sort of dynamic and progressive organisation I aspire to work for. The Management School holds a special interest as since 1998 I’ve worked as a Civil Servant in the Department of Silly Walks , the remit of which coincides with many of the key strength areas the Management School focuses on and which has afforded me a good knowledge base of the concerns and demands on the corporate sector both by statute and wider society.

My primary role in the last six years has been within the Compliance section of XXX which is the government body that xxx, I am charged with the preparation of reports to the XXX against XXX who do not comply with the XXX and file statutory returns each year. In selecting xxx for prosecution I have to make judgements using a number of variables and sources, taking account of the policy of my own and partner agencies; the viability of the case and the probability of a positive result. As the successful end result of a case is the criminal conviction of a xxx, it is essential that I’m constantly aware of the high stakes involved with consistent and sound analysis. In addition to my prosecution role I manage complaints from xxx and other interested parties about the quality of data on the xxx and liaise with our in-house accountant, the xxx and the presenter of the accounts to achieve a satisfactory result.

Due to the nature of compliance a significant part of this job is spent dealing with difficult and distressed callers on the telephone and in person so a sensitive and nuanced approach is paramount when handling customers’ concerns. Their knowledge base can be wildly varied, ranging from experienced professional advisors such as solicitors and accountants to new directors and interested members of the public who can be unfamiliar with the statutory filing requirements, so I must use my judgement to pitch my answers to the appropriate level and avoid jargon wherever possible.

There is a strong emphasis on multidisciplinary cooperation in both of my roles within the agency. On the prosecution side I work closely with the XXXX and the XXXX to build a case and achieve a successful conviction. These agencies as well as my own are publicly accountable and have published targets which all work to different timescales, as such it is of the utmost importance to be able to plan and prioritise my work effectively to meet these targets.
In my complaint handling duties I act as a conduit between the initial complainer and the offending xxx, in conjunction with our accountant. A high standard of record keeping is required in this role as workflow can be unpredictable and the information I have to convey can be highly technical.

I am an experienced and confident user of Microsoft Office. I was responsible for detailed testing and troubleshooting of a new Access database and have been heavily involved in the development and testing of a new agency-wide IT system.

I work within a small team of seven people and am sensitive to the wider demands of the team and help out wherever possible when colleagues are under pressure. I work closely with my line manager in deciding which course of action to take in less clear-cut cases and am able to suggest and implement ways to refine and improve our service delivery.

In conclusion I believe that these skills equip me with the ideal foundation to fulfil the requirements your vacancy and become an asset to the Management School.

leigh, Thursday, 25 October 2007 10:19 (eleven years ago) link

four years pass...

Quick question -

WTF is the difference between a strength and an attribute?

Specifically for a job application with list your skills, strengths and attributes, with 3 separate sections.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 14:43 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

that moment in a cover letter when you realise you actually do probably need to discuss dank memes

do you row it back or press forward?

(it's less a cover letter than an unsolicited essay on how media is changing, but the info given abt the publication start-up is so limited that i might as well take this route: not just "what i've done and why i'm good at it" but "where we all are and what we should do about it")

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:23 (two months ago) link

in sum i propose to hire dril and er bizarro gazzarra, and where you say this is a pub dedicated to longform, i'm going to counterpoint with this: fav tumblr post thread, a thread in which we link to threads which listpost fav tumblr posts

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:24 (two months ago) link

in 18 months or less all communication of any value will be via dank memes, press on and be hailed as a prophet imo

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:34 (two months ago) link

gnna print this out on a sheet of A2 then laminate it instead of a CV

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q8j6OC_V5Qo/maxresdefault.jpg

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:40 (two months ago) link

btw u should print that a0 instead of a2

go big or go home imo

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:25 (two months ago) link

TBF, even if 99 places reject your froggy doodle out of hand, that hundredth place that gets you is gonna be one hell of a sweet fit.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:38 (two months ago) link

pro-tip: under no circumstances should you show the interview panel your froggy doodle

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:51 (two months ago) link

the whispers in my head: do it
bizarro g: DO IT DO IT
ilx (banging clipboards): DO IT DO IT DO IT

bizarro g: wait i meant

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:53 (two months ago) link

no no, you don't understand, froggy doodle is the name of my

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:04 (two months ago) link

gnna need a bigger a0

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:14 (two months ago) link

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo) at 2:43 12 Jan 12
Quick question -
WTF is the difference between a strength and an attribute?
Specifically for a job application with list your skills, strengths and attributes, with 3 separate sections.
Everyone was looking for signs of the apocalypse in 2012, how did we miss this one? We should have immediately shipped everyone with an MBA to an island somewhere.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:34 (two months ago) link

today's session -- "job application advice TO THE XTREME" -- has been very helpful, thank you everyone

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:49 (two months ago) link

Look, I'm good for at least two or three things but job search advice is not one of them (considers length of tenure at current 'job', sobs inconsolably).

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 21:31 (two months ago) link

what was the actual question again

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:26 (two months ago) link

it was whether mark should write a bonkers critical disquisition on the state of contemporary life as part of his cover letter for an application for a job with a start-up publication

actual answer is: lol dude

j., Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:46 (two months ago) link

ans js yes but dont submit it

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:48 (two months ago) link

i submitted it -- i'm not going to get this job anyway but it was a useful thing to write up

mark s, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 12:03 (two months ago) link

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/5617654-3x4-220x293.jpg

mark s, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 12:04 (two months ago) link

mark i need you to get this job i've already handed in my resignation based on your offer of employment upthread

A comical 'blobbumentary' programme (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 12:09 (two months ago) link

HIRET

j., Wednesday, 10 July 2019 20:30 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

when yr coverletter needs to refer to the workshop you run so you shorthand those who attended as "my workshoppers" but don't notice that autocorrect then calls them "my worshippers"

obviously i am still going for the bold approach so maybe i'll stick with it

mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 12:54 (one month ago) link

(this is not the job mentioned above -- no word from them so far -- but it too demands the "A0 laminate of orange lad"-instead-of-a-CV tactic tbrr)

mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:15 (one month ago) link

pull out the ol' froggy doodle and talk up your worshippers and the job is yours tbrr

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:18 (one month ago) link

also my family is dying pls to give me job as promised

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:19 (one month ago) link

probably can't hire you for this one but i can develop a popular module based on yr posting style (= "as you normally do" obv)

mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:24 (one month ago) link

AYND.rar if compressed, which is a lil close for comfort imo

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:27 (one month ago) link

damn right it'll be a popular module, people love my posts, they say it to me all the time

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:27 (one month ago) link

post-post-untruth society

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:28 (one month ago) link

the truth is out there*

*this is not a useful direction

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:40 (one month ago) link

or true

mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 13:41 (one month ago) link

I believe that it's perfectly acceptable, in the process of a job hunt, to present oneself as one would in day-to-day, 'business casual' interactions with peers. Prospective employers want to know a little about who you are outside of the office, so you can only benefit from sprinkling offhanded mentions of your death cult throughout your CV. Have the courage to staple your manifesto to the back if you really want to show them how well-rounded and blindly-obeyed an individual you are.

COOL DUDE'S ONLY, NO NERD'S ALOUD (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 August 2019 14:02 (one month ago) link

i just missed a job app deadline bcz they brought it forward (when i printed the spec out it was tomorrow, now the site says "deadline july 30, deadline no longer available")

mark s, Saturday, 3 August 2019 11:30 (one month ago) link

if you’ve got the printout, without being passagg about it, can you query that? that doesn’t seem right and they’re potentially missing out on someone good!

Fizzles, Saturday, 3 August 2019 11:37 (one month ago) link

lol it turns out it's still open (till 25 aug!) on linked-in so i think it's either an admin screw-up or they're advertising in some weird rolling cohort fashion -- anyway pitch sent in and orange lad unleashed

mark s, Saturday, 3 August 2019 11:45 (one month ago) link

:)

Fizzles, Saturday, 3 August 2019 11:47 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

just stopped myself tweeting critical support for this excellent lady and her ways with a working day (since future employers can easily find my current twitter account):

immense respect for this bold attempt on the way out https://t.co/hTskm9OrJX pic.twitter.com/0i3LtmOWTc

— Sigh Hersh (still a yianni d. fan) (@Ugarles) August 20, 2019

mark s, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 11:10 (one month ago) link

I'm not sure I understand what the issue is (uses company card to spread caviar onto Swarovski crystal-encrusted cracker).

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 11:53 (one month ago) link

lol writing yr own references is a poisoned chalice isn’t it?

how does the referee resist adding, right before their signature, “He wrote this all himself, about himself, and excepts me to sign it. WOT A DOUCHE!”

i mean it’s all true, i am in fact marvellous in every way, but i like to be winningly bashful about it

mark s, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 14:11 (three weeks ago) link

I joke itt because the job search processes described herein are basically a finely-rendered conception of my personal hell.

McGrief the Crying Dog (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 14:18 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

veering wildly today towards a new model: you the prestigious food emporium put up a job vacancy online, i don't want to do that but apply for it anyway, making clear in the cover letter that i will only accept the very different role i'm actually after

mark s, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:35 (one week ago) link

i am become the icarus of employment mendicancy

mark s, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:36 (one week ago) link

a good way to spot typos in old cover letters is to repurpose them via c&p, yes i did mean "mteiculous"

mark s, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:52 (one week ago) link

exactni sarntads

j., Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:58 (one week ago) link

presented my standard CV to an "internet CV service" to comment on -- apparently i'm sending the message that i am a "doer" rather than an "achiever"

which rereading it is fair, esp.as i sent a version w/o the usual summary paragraph at the start

mark s, Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:09 (one week ago) link

how do they distinguish, mark? putting down skills rather than things you’ve done/problems solved/particular achievements etc?

i did mine again recently with a manager and it took me four drafts - lot of it representing myself better than i perceive myself. painful but worth it.

Fizzles, Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:15 (one week ago) link

i sent them the big wall of places i'd worked at and things i'd published, which is def.a bit non-explanatory -- esp.if i'm going for more "creative" things*, which i am now i got the book off my desk.

*i.e. not just part-time subbing posts, where "what achieved" = everything read well and was spelled correctly. my cover letters are much better at conveying this and are probably part of the CV i shd have sent them, but redrafting the CV to have difft versions, to point at specific types of application isn't a bad idea i don't think

mark s, Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:19 (one week ago) link

doing cv cover letter right now for a job i dont want, have now convinced myself im the only possible candidate for and will be enraged when not shortlisted next week

rollercoaster of promotions

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 September 2019 10:03 (one week ago) link


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