Bush's FCC makes it easy to control viewpoints

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WASHINGTON - Rules governing ownership of newspapers and television and radio stations are on the verge of changes that could significantly alter who controls what people see, hear and read.

In a vote set for Monday, the Republican majority on the five-member Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) was expected to allow companies to buy more television stations and, in some cases, own both a newspaper and a broadcast station in the same city.

The question now is, will the internet everntually be the only way to find out whats really going down out there?

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 2 June 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

I think this is a serious and disturbing question. I really wish it would get more play in the media... oh yeah right.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 2 June 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

if by 'internet' you mean 'packetized data streams' then yes, and people in the know have been saying that for years. Frankly while I'm not supportive of this deregulation I must say I don't see how it will affect much at all in the coming years since 1. paper subscriptions have been dropping for quite some time as old customers die off or switch to the web and new customers fail to appear (having been raised on the web) and 2. TV and radio frequency regulations (as well as telecom regulations) will all end up being rewritten again and again in the next decade as we switch to all-digital and spread spectrum methods of broadcast.

This legislation, at worst, will see a few more communications majors out of a job - which isn't a good thing, of course, but on the other hand you could make the point that they were on the way out anyway, what with declining revenues across the board in the news industry.

Also, given the up-and-coming digital spectrum (which will accomodate a much larger variety of media) you could say that a lot of those folks, if they play their cards right, will have more secure (though not necessarily as inflated/lucrative) jobs available to them in just a few years.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 2 June 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

"controlling viewpoints" is a chimera raised by people who think the free market is a conspiracy in the first place. Fox News beat CNN during the war because they told Americans what they WANTED to hear. Do you really think journalism has ever been anything but? Shit, CNN and the NYT are some kind of totally amazing miracle-news compared with historical examples.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 2 June 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

sorry to keep posting in response to myself, but the idea that anybody other than YOU controls what you hear, see or read (especially in this day and age) is treading dangerously close to the absurd. I like to imagine other human beings having at least a little in the way of critical thinking skills.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 2 June 2003 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

Unfortunately , I think many people do not have the time for critical thinking, and don't want their positive outlook on the world, which makes them feel happy, to be disturbed. I think people just accept whatever the TV tells them. Oh well, what can one do. People prefer a "fair" world, where we punish the bad guys, the Senate is a body of wise and kind people, nothing done to our food could ever harm us, eating lowfat ice cream will slim us down, America has always been a heroic force in the world, blacks have all that whites have ... etc etc

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:36 (twenty years ago) link

ts: the doctor telling you what's actually wrong with you or telling you what you wd like to hear?

mark s (mark s), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

Here's the deal:

As expected, the FCC voted MONDAY morning (6/2) to ease media ownership rules, but most of the changes are on the TV side- the main changes to radio ownership rules involved the redefinition of markets along ARBITRON metro lines and the allowing of newspaper owners to own TV and radio stations in the same market. The Commission voted 3-2 along party lines to approve the revisions, which also allowed grandfathered clusters to be sold intact to qualified minority or female buyers.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

A new RIAA decision regarding royalty payments will effectively cap the number of listeners to non-profit web audio stations that also broadcast music. It's not been announced yet, but watch this space.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

The question now is, will the internet everntually be the only way to find out whats really going down out there?

Internet-will-take up-the-slack canard/smokescreen put to rest here

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

If one cable network's 24-hour news gets, say, a half million more viewers than a competitor, that's not a definitive measure of what "Americans" want. Any given non-cable network gets about three times as many viewers with their nightly newscasts. Fox's ratings are simply a measure of how many viewers are devoted to Fox. From what I've read, that's about 3 million viewers - hardly a representative sample. It doesn't mean that they "deservingly" "won" some contest and therefore deserve the whole pie.

If you're not living in some cosmopolitan area and have little or no internet access (like my parents), how the hell are you supposed to evaluate the news you're getting? What sources are you supposed to use to judge what you're getting? You really can't. The best you can do is either watch it with cynicism or not watch it at all ("it's all lies").

The really sad thing is the situation with radio. Radio used to have a lot more local talk programming, and now much of it is syndicated.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 2 June 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

cnn is bad enough as it is – i've never seen fox news and hope i never do.
anyone who's ever watched the cbc and then cnn will tell you that cbc is boring as hell most the time but at least it's real news and not propaganda or the opinions of americas wealthies citizens. i would, based on what i've seen, come to the conclusion that americans don't want news as much as they want entertainment.

radio is an even scarrier monster. lets face it – their only out to make their sponsers happy. anything that may interfer with that will never make the airwaves. radio is slowly evolving towards an elaborate 24 hour advertizing medium. if it isn't already.

the idea that companies wil soon be able to monopolize more control over information is a terrible thing. who in the the u.s. thinks this is a good idea¿ really. outside of the wealthy élite – name me 1.

seriously, who's idea was this¿

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

but on the internet, who do you trust?
who pays their bills?
newsgathering, or rather newsgathering done well can be very expensive.
if the delivery of the news is left in the hands of the internet, then it will go the way of music j'lism.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

that's true. my main concern with the internet is the fact that you have no idea the validity of anything you read really.

durring the invasion of iraq i was reading about daily events at a russian site and their information & opinions were just out there. interesting none the less (some of it did turn out to be accurate aswell). but you have to take all e-info with a giant grain of salt. or perhaps a chunk of salt - like the sideway salt you get in the winter.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:31 (twenty years ago) link

like the salt that cows lick.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

TS: limited corporate ownership vs. government-imposed news blackouts (a regular occurrence in Canada, esp. re high profile court cases and the like).

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

an occasional occurance in canada. really, does the average person really need to hear all the disturbing details of the drugging and raping of teenage girls¿ do the victims families want american journalists spreading the details of their daughters awful last moments¿

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

Is the media conspiracy that feeds the sheeple the happy outlook that keeps them from questioning their preconceptions the same media conspiracy that feeds the sheeple the violent spectacle that robs them of their responsibility by making them shoot up high schools and post offices?

Stuart (Stuart), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

Well Dyson, I didn't really fancy reading about my cousin's rape and torture or seeing the picture of my ex's mangled remains, yet the issue doesn't light any great fire under me. My personal emotional traumas don't seem like a good barometer by which to judge third-party censorship issues.

I'm on your side, I just think your standards here are narrowly parochial and it bugged me a bit.

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

Outside of a few cases which you could probably count on one hand, the news blackouts you hear are only news themselves due to the media's obvious slant on the freedom of press vs the very dangerous notion of victim's rights.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

I just think your standards here are narrowly parochial
why is that¿

i'm not not even disagreeing (yet), just curious.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

I think it was just the tone of your post, or at least the way I read it. I'm a bit on edge lately re "All Americans are __________" especially when it tends to idealize alternatives. It's not a big deal, and I'm not familiar enough with the CBC to have any kind of meaningful discussion about it.

Maybe it's just me (again), but Noodles you seem a bit too comfortable making that statement. If and when the government (any government) blocks publication of an event, I want to know about it, and why, and I'd hope that the reporters involved would get all uppity about their press freedoms, victims' rights or not.

The blackouts were news here a few months ago because the Canadian government asked the Seattle papers not to run stories on the Vancouver serial killer's trial, since they have a wide circulation up there. The papers capitulated, which was their fault obviously, but it was still galling to hear.

AFAIK this is unsubstantiated, but a Canadian journalist on NPR said that government officials have used all sorts of intimidation in enforcing these blackouts. The issue may be victim's rights, but the means should be a part of the discussion as well.

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

i'd have no idea how they enforce them; i was told that canadian reporters just respected the decisions. that's whay american journalists caused such a problem.

and without a doubt media blackouts are fishy, but when it's a case of the govt prosecuting a serial killer – i don't really have a problem with it. that's the only time it does really happen here.

and if you've never seen canukistan news before how about the bbc¿ – almost as dull.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

'victim's right' as an excuse for censorship sounds as dodgy as 'national security' (actually more dodgy, since 'people will die' is a better excuse than 'people will be traumatized')

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

i'd say the other way around.

ie - you don't know what the govt is up to vs. you didn't know weather a psychopath raped his victims before or after he killed them.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

The blackouts were news here a few months ago because the Canadian government asked the Seattle papers not to run stories on the Vancouver serial killer's trial, since they have a wide circulation up there.

Didn't they violate a court gag order and then hide behind the border? I suppose its all how you look at it. In the two most glaring cases I can think of its not the government blocking publication, its the judical system.

'victim's right' as an excuse for censorship sounds as dodgy as 'national security'

I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't even go near half that far.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't they violate a court gag order and then hide behind the border
they did. the canadian govt. obviously needs some beter "intimidation methods".

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

Who violated the gag order? You mean Canadian journos who then hid out in the US? I don't imagine the Canadian judicial system having any authority over what US media publishes, though I suppose they could block the papers from being sold. IIRC it was a diplomatic request which the Seattle papers obeyed willingly, no doubt because they didn't want to lose distributors.

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

Internet-will-take up-the-slack canard/smokescreen put to rest here

this diatribe appearing on the NYT website (registration please!) is patently ridiculous from a number of perspectives. Pass the Google news, thanks.

Maybe Hanle y and Dyson could teach a series of critical thinking and journalistic bias-evaluation seminars to the American general public. In return, we could offer them equally pedantic and condescending typing lessons.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

(Canadian intimidation methods: "It blowed up REAL GOOD!!")

(sorry)

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

We prefere to unleash evil fleshy headed mutants on American reporters who come up to Canada and then and then break publication bans once back in the saftey of their land.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 2 June 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

In return, we could offer them equally pedantic and condescending typing lessons
i will not be brainwashed¡

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link

"American reporters who come up to ________ and then break publication bans once back in the saftey of their land" = WHAT REPORTERS DO!!

Former Iraqi Info Minister: "We prefere to unleash evil fleshy headed mutants on American reporters who come to Iraq and then break publication bans once back in the saftey of their land."

Hitler: "We prefere to unleash evil fleshy headed mutants on American reporters who come to Der Fatherland and then break publication bans once back in the saftey of their land."

Noodles, do you like SADDAM HUSSEIN and HITLER??

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

I have serious doubts this unnamed Minister Of Info or a man who who died before the making of Strange Brew have ever quoted Bob & Doug Mckenzie.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 2 June 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link

Stop shirking the point!

(btw, what's-his-name Iraqi Info Minister was obv an attentive student of SCTV)

(also Hitler is alive and baking cakes in Rochester)

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

You can add the US Army to your list of people who hate fun if you wish. They kicked out Geraldo of all people for doing the same thing, breaking a publication ban.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 2 June 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Joking aside, I'm genuinely surprised by the big US-Canadian discrepancy here re "freedom of the press".

American journalists go into Canada = of course, how else are they supposed to get the story?

American journalists publish story in American newspapers = they are in America, not Canada

Canada disapproves = too bad, American newspapers are not under Canadian jurisdiction.

Do you find it odd that we can read stories about Pakistan in American newspapers filed by American journalists in Pakistan that could not be legally printed in Pakistan?

chester (synkro), Monday, 2 June 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

pakistan is a touch further away.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 2 June 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Well, ok then: Cuba. The principle is still the same.

The "Foreigners: Obey Our Laws, Even In Your Own Land" attitude here is revealing. I guess some countries are just better (more intent, more brutal) at enforcing it than others.

chester (synkro), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

that is true but the victims of having that law broken are still going to be in the country of origin.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

as with Cuba

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

There's nothing wroing with my typing. My keyboard is possesed. I'm glad the NY times website said this to me
"The Member ID fghfgh is not available. We suggest fghfgh5 instead. "

Maybe I am being too condescending. I hope so.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

The "Foreigners: Obey Our Laws, Even In Your Own Land" attitude here is revealing.

Its closer to foreigners please don't come to our country with the intent of breaking our laws and spitting into our diplomatic faces. Otherwise I guess we could pull the American solution and just stop them at the border and not anyone we remotely feel weary about it.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

I dont even want to get into the debate over news... my initial liberal knee-jerk reaction is that this is all tragic, but I would like to know more before I say anything...
I wonder what effect this will have on radio.. goodness knows, NPR can barely even keep classical or jazz programming these days (and there was a n article a few months ago in the Times saying that, Nationwide, they are being outbid for their "public" frequencies by religious organizations), and I wonder if increased centralization in the private market will force them to compete by dropping music programming altoghether (anyone who is aware of what has been going on with them in the last year knows I am not overreacting completely).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

Let's try this one last time.

American reporters aren't "breaking [your] laws". They are - as I have repeated 234985798234890578934 times already - AMERICAN REPORTERS, PUBLISHING STORIES IN AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS, IN AMERICA, WHERE AMERICAN LAWS ARE THE ONLY LAWS. The laws of the country where they obtain their story don't matter; ONLY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY PUBLISH THEIR STORY MATTERS; if it was the other way around foreign news bureaus would cease to be.

As for "spitting in [your] diplomatic faces", once again, see above: the BC government asked the Seattle Times, through diplomatic channels, to not publish the story. The ST willingly complied. No spit was involved.

chester (synkro), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

They still put it on the website in that case didn't they?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck you, Canada!

chester (synkro), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

Bite me, yank!

Dominion of Canada, Tuesday, 3 June 2003 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

you bark, I bite

Michael Imperioli (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

okay, guys. relax. we're all buddies here. lets just settle this over a friendly game of hockey.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

if you want real news, do what i do ... read the wall street journal's news page (the editorial page is my all-time favorite sick joke, though sometimes it's akin to the schoolboy laughter of the retarded kid dancing around the lunchroom) or read/listen to non-american news sources (which have their biases, to be sure, but at least the BBC isn't typing GOP/White House blast-faxes verbatim and calling it "news").

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

the gap between the wall street journal's news page and it's editorial page is astounding (though we do have the editorial page to thank for 'lucky ducky')

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, I love the news page of the wsj (and some of their features are pretty interesting too), but the editorial section is beyond contempt.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link


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