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Okay so the Jayson Blair fiasco has been blown out of proportion, obviously, but I was thinking this morning about the film adaptation of Blair's story (negotiations are already underway) as well as the upcoming Stephen Glass biopic. The only other recent movie I can think of that deals with journalism is Spiderman, which certainly doesn't portray it positively. Growing up one of my favorite books/movies was All the President's Men -- from the time I was about 12 I watched/read that story very regularly. This is what made me want to be a journalist (I had already decided on being a writer when I was five -- this just cemented what direction I would go in). But for young folks today, journalism is probably best represented by cable news (ugh) and, should the Blair or Glass movies become popular, stories of wayward journos. Add to this this recent poll, which shows that only 36% of Americans believe that the media is truthful... Does all of this add up to something?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i went into journalism so i could answer the phone by saying "city desk?"

this has never happened :(

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i went into it to hang out in parking garages. this has never happened either.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i went into journalism so i could answer the phone by saying "city desk?"
I say that sometimes, but usually I say "Hello, newsroom?"

Carl Hiaasen writes interestingly about j'lists. I think in the post-Watergate Era, journalist got really full of themselves, thought they were the mob ("hey look, we took down the president, nobody fucks with us") and wanked themselves into Geraldo.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

jerry rivers' career does scan like a 'trends in journalism' timeline

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

mark s I don't see what's stopping you!

Journalism is dying but diaryism is on the rise.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

* spooky music *

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the film adaptation of Blair's story (negotiations are already underway)

That doesn't necessarily mean a movie will be made. When Janet Cooke was busted for inventing a story and had to give back her Pulitzer, there was talk of a movie, but it was never filmed.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh Tracer I know I had a terrible bout of that the other day.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, but you can get paid just to let someone CONSIDER making a movie about you.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

apparently blair's agent is having trouble finding a buyer for the book. love the title though.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Journalism as a high-minded exercise in informing the people has always been as rare as hen's teeth. Journalists are always discussing their high-minded mission and publically worrying that their purity has been sullied by some or other scandal, but this is and has always has been self-serving. Worrying in public that your purity might be sullied is a subtle way of suggesting you are not a whore.

There was a time when journalists didn't pretend to be pure, because (frankly) the thought hadn't yet occurred to them. With the rise of the modern public relations agent in the 1920s and fascism in the 1930s journalists eventually learned modern propaganda techniques. It was only a matter of time before they applied the same techniques to improve their own image from that of sleazy purveyors of scandal to guardians of the public's sacred "right to know".

It worked, didn't it?

Aimless, Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

what's the title, blount? the movie would be really boring. just scenes of blair in his undies watching tv in his brooklyn apartment. how much fun would that be?

all i'm saying is we need a connie chung biopic real fucking soon. for the kids.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

BURNING DOWN MY MASTER'S HOUSE

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

are you for serious? holy shit!

i've got an idea for a connie chung title but it would rightly get me booted from ilm.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

goddamn thats a great title.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I shit you not - apparently he plays up parallels between himself and Lee Malvo (the kid DC sniper) also.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I recommend the documentary on the late George Seldes - "Tell the Truth and Run".

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"he" = some unpaid freelancer in apachiola

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

would CC have to be played by Lucy Liu, since she's the only prominent Asian-female actor right now, and surely, CC-biopic would be of at least the magnitude of Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

'an itch for povich'

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

no way dude. NOTORIOUS C.H.O.!!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

haha!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i went into journalism so i could answer the phone by saying "city desk?"

That's what my friend Lukas does. He hates it.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i answer all phones ever with an exasperated "STUdio"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i wanna answer the phone with a stogie in my mouth and bark, "YEAH?!?" that's when i'll know that i've made it.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

dude yanc3 join the 21st Centu-ray: no one who's anyone answers their own fucking phone any more.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.willisdominion.com/jjspan.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe the problem is that journalists don't have anyone cool like Spiderman to cover. We need more superheroes!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

wish i'd never got into it...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 29 May 2003 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

el hombre de arachno, you mean, Tracer.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't get me started on smaller-market alt-weeklies and the nepotism and BOOSHIT involved therein.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

the corruption and cronyism rampant at 95% of alt-weeklies is depressing

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

not nearly as depressing as the awful writing though

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Couldn't agree more, James.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and people think that us lawyers are bad ... at least journalists are seen as being lower on the food chain than we are these days!

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

We need more superheroes!

Okay Tracer, I am going to drive into Baltimore this weekend and beat up heroin dealers with my shining teeth, blazing feet, and lightning wit. You have to come up with a crazy name for me, though.

I'm betting 4-1 that I have actually been impervious to bullets all along. Who's in?

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah but Tad lawyers make a helluva lot more than journalists. You could all be saints and we'd still hate all of you.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't get me started on smaller-market alt-weeklies and the nepotism and BOOSHIT involved therein.

-- Aaron W (aaro...), May 29th, 2003.

the corruption and cronyism rampant at 95% of alt-weeklies is depressing

-- James Blount (littlejohnnyjewe...), May 29th, 2003.

not nearly as depressing as the awful writing though

-- James Blount (littlejohnnyjewe...), May 29th, 2003.

Couldn't agree more, James.

-- Aaron W (aaro...), May 29th, 2003.

ooh, ooh, count me in on all of this too. and let's not forget how fucking long it takes them to mail cheques. the assholes.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

once it took them 8 months to pay me. and they wonder why I stopped writing for them. EIGHT MONTHS!
I mean, I know accounting and editorial are, like, totally different cubicles, but EIGHT MONTHS!
And that's with me asking about it a lot.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Do the alt-weeklies even do much community journalism anymore? Seems to me, all they do is sell entertainment to yuppies who think they're too cool to be considered yuppies.

But bitching about them feels counter-productive. People who are frustrated should get together and do their own newspaper.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 29 May 2003 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Meanwhile The WaPo pulled back at the last minute from allowing its publishers and newsroom to mingle with lobbysits.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 July 2009 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

our wonderful local rag, aka that nasty bunch of hypocrites: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Town-website-publisher-s-porn-business/article-1883453-detail/article.html

tomofthenest, Thursday, 4 March 2010 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

http://i.imgur.com/B5ez7.jpg

gr8080, Friday, 6 May 2011 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

So the Cape Cod newspaper has its very own Stephen Glass:

There is an implied contract between a newspaper and its readers. The paper prints the truth. Readers believe that it's true.

It's not always so simple, of course. There are nuances in how a story is presented, what words are used to describe the action. Papers have personalities, and no two are exactly alike, but at the end of the day, facts are facts. And a good newspaper holds nothing more sacred than its role to tell the truth. Always. As fully and as fairly as possible.

This is our guiding principle, so it is with heavy heart that we tell you the Cape Cod Times has broken that trust. An internal review has found that one of our reporters wrote dozens of stories that included one or more sources who do not exist.

The reporter was Karen Jeffrey, 59, a writer for the Cape Cod Times since 1981. In an audit of her work, Times editors have been unable to find 69 people in 34 stories since 1998, when we began archiving stories electronically.

On Tuesday, Jeffrey admitted to fabricating people in some of these articles and giving some others false names. She no longer works for the Cape Cod Times.

We were able to verify sourcing in many stories written by Jeffrey, mostly police and court news, political stories, and recently a series on returning war veterans. The stories with suspect sourcing were typically lighter fare – a story on young voters, a story on getting ready for a hurricane, a story on the Red Sox home opener – where some or all of the people quoted cannot be located.

In 2011, for example, a story on the Fourth of July parade in Cotuit featured Johnson Coggins, 88, “the patriarch of the family” and a longtime Cotuit summer resident. No one by that name can be found using public-records searches and there is no Coggins in the town of Barnstable's assessor's database. We were unable to locate five other people featured in that story.

In a 2006 story on the Falmouth Road Race, we were unable to find five individuals, including Daniel Fortes of San Diego, a marathon runner who, Jeffrey wrote, has run the Boston Marathon and the Falmouth race but was sidelined with an injury that year. Fortes could not be found using public records and no one with that name had competed in the Falmouth race or the Boston Marathon for the five years leading up to the story, according to the races' websites.

Times editors reviewed Jeffrey's stories using a variety of search techniques, including a public-records database tool called Accurint, searches of voter rolls and town assessor's records, a review of Facebook profiles and attempted phone calls in an effort to find the sources.

super perv powder (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 15:49 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...
ten months pass...

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/nyt_hasnt_been_hit_that_hard.php

j., Saturday, 8 February 2014 00:35 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

"You probably think of us as big innovators on the editorial side."

Little Nicky Pizza loved that rascal Rust (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 17:39 (eight years ago) link

i was fucking astonished at how bad local tv news is now in Knoxville. WBIR literally just runs packages from random Gannett affiliates. if it's vaguely near Knoxville that's a bonus but it totally doesn't have to be. craft beer festival in, i dunno, california? WBIR has you covered! the only actual local news they do on the reg is sports and weather. the last 10 minutes of the show. it's kind of unbelievable!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:11 (four years ago) link

Yeah, the local media landscape is pretty dismal. It's not like it was ever great, but there are so many fewer actual reporters in town than there were 10 or 20 years ago (even though there are tens of thousands more people living here).

local news has been absolutely decimated by decades of bad corporate policy (fuck gannett forever) and recent trends toward focusing only on the phony metric known as "trending"

I've talked to some people at the local (Gannett) daily, and they don't even pretend otherwise. It is literally all about generating clicks.

three months pass...

I wrote a piece for them once, and it was a good experience overall. Hopefully Kyle and everyone else lands okay.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 30 November 2018 01:09 (three years ago) link

36,000sf of 1WTC for this

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 30 November 2018 01:31 (three years ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/at-npr-an-army-of-temps-resents-a-workplace-full-of-anxiety-and-insecurity/2018/12/07/32e49632-f35b-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html

Botero quickly realized what she was up against. As a “temp,” she floated among unfamiliar co-workers and faced an ever-changing set of responsibilities, some of which she’d never been trained for. Her work contracts were sometimes as brief as two weeks, at the end of which she’d have to persuade a manager to extend her.

Worse was the sense of constant competition among her fellow temps, many of whom were angling to be hired for a limited number of permanent positions. “The only person I felt I could trust,” she said, “was the person I was dating, who was in the same position I was.” After a year of such uncertainty, she left, taking a job as a reporter for a group of public radio stations in New York state.

What’s surprising about Botero’s experience is how unsurprising it is at NPR.

For decades, the public broadcaster has relied on a cadre of temporary journalists to produce its hourly newscasts and popular news programs. Without temporary workers — who are subject to termination without cause — NPR would probably be unable to be NPR. Temps do almost every important job in NPR’s newsroom: they pitch ideas, assign stories, edit them, report and produce them. Temps not only book the guests heard in interviews, they often write the questions the hosts ask the guests.

j., Sunday, 9 December 2018 21:41 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

The only thing worse than Gannett being the largest newspaper company in America would be MNG being the largest newspaper company in America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/business/dealbook/gannett-takeover-offer-mng.html

i know there's a long line of american industries that should have all their executives prosecuted but hedge funds have to be, like, top 5

maura, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:27 (three years ago) link

my tweet portal is whack
i hv been trying to say i am sorry i offended
and i so appreciate my colleague

— Tom Brokaw (@tombrokaw) January 28, 2019

j., Monday, 28 January 2019 02:22 (three years ago) link

nothing says you mean it like abbrevin’ words like “have”

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 02:23 (three years ago) link

“abbreviNATION: what social media leaves out” could be a book

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 02:25 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/nyregion/nyc-taxis-medallions-suicides.html

props to a genuine act of journalism for once

j., Sunday, 19 May 2019 22:01 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/whats-at-stake-in-the-takeover-of-cahiers-du-cinema

Haven't looked at it in 40 years, since university, but it's just one of those things you always assume will be there. (And it still is.)

clemenza, Monday, 27 April 2020 00:15 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Anybody signed up for this?

https://thecorrespondent.com/

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 May 2020 08:11 (two years ago) link

I was a member for some years of the Dutch version, from which the English version originated. I ultimately bowed out because of the pedant tone a lot of the articles had, that rubbed me up the wrong way (the "this is right/wrong, and here's why", which is way more de rigeur in the USA imo). Having said that, I do think they are doing some things right and occasionally publish stories that 'matter'. With Jay Rosen on board I think they have a decent shot at getting a foot in the door in the US, and I'm interested in seeing how they'll fare.

signed up for the us version and it's been pretty eh

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:51 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Final update on the thread of news dystopia: Microsoft’s artificial intelligence news app is now swamped with stories selected by the news robot about the news robot backfiring. pic.twitter.com/X0LwfVxw8e

— Jim Waterson (@jimwaterson) June 9, 2020

stet, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:08 (two years ago) link

hasan generally on point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icNirsV1rLA

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 19:05 (two years ago) link

Once the hedge funds have snarfed up your local paper, it becomes much more difficult to follow his advice to support it, because you're getting fleeced, just like all the other 'assets' the paper owns. Figuring out how to convert them to employee-owned and run co-ops seems like a pipedream, but maybe that's the best avenue for keeping them viable.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 20:56 (two years ago) link

something something cryptocurrency something something

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:38 (two years ago) link

Aimless otm. I worked in newspapering from approximately 1985 to 1999. My grandfather was the owner/editor/publisher of a small-town paper. My grandmother, mother, and my two sisters were all print-era creatures. I have ink in my veins. If I'm not a stan for print journalism, no one is. And yet...

The project of shlurping local papers into a homogenous corporate blob was already well underway in 1982 (having essentially started with the establishment of USA Today/Gannet/Tegna).

Nowadays, the remaining "local" papers are as local as those Clear Channel-style radio stations that have identical programming, except for the weather and traffic and one or two "this one goes out to Janie in Incestville" requests that help them "localize" what is otherwise centralized. In most cities it is not doing anything different from the local Fox affiliate.

On a personal note: You can not imagine how hard it was for me to cancel print delivery of the Washington Post, after 42 years of having the day begin with its arrival on the doorstep. I don't know what to do about this, but it is a minor heartbreak.

Tom Paine in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:38 (two years ago) link

i just started getting the ny times international edition delivered! it's magic, i love it. i got a very good introductory price and it saves me having to wait in a queue for the print edition on the weekends just so i can do the crossword.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:44 (two years ago) link

I suspect your subscription also entitles you to access the online crossword?

Mine does.

Tom Paine in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:13 (two years ago) link

i'd rather not do it at all if i couldn't use a pen. faintly ghosting in a guess with a ballpoint is one of my key techniques.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:14 (two years ago) link

it also takes my eyes away from a screen for a few goddamn minutes.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:15 (two years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/pqrQItG.png

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:28 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Might throw some dollars at this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1478924964/the-brick-house-cooperative

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 22:48 (two years ago) link

so it’s civil without the crypto and with a few new faces

maura, Thursday, 27 August 2020 02:33 (two years ago) link

Is it? I didn’t pay much attention to civil

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 27 August 2020 03:06 (two years ago) link

other people vouch for maria b and certainly i admire the effort but establishing a post-click *and* post-blockchain economy seems like a lot

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 August 2020 03:14 (two years ago) link

ah shit paywalled. it's the story of how Wirecard tried to discredit the FT, going to mad lengths to set up fake news operations with some (shitty) former intelligence people bribing market manipulators and ... hell, it's all insane Bourne-Ultimatum stuff

stet, Friday, 4 September 2020 15:55 (two years ago) link

lol rong thred

stet, Friday, 4 September 2020 15:55 (two years ago) link

This fucking guy... (the replies are as choice as should be expected).

A, perhaps odd, piece of advice to fellow journalists. Reach out to your hate mailers.

I just had a great, instructive, and professionally helpful phone call with a man who called me "a selfish partisan hack” in an email this morning.

— Sam Stein (@samstein) September 11, 2020

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 September 2020 13:09 (two years ago) link

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sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 12 September 2020 15:46 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

I've noticed the NY Times going ahead and using quite charged language when talking about Trump in their hard news items. It feels unusual to me, and maybe even unprecedented in my time reading it. For instance, the blurb for today's article about Georgia re-certifying Biden's win says:

The announcement is the latest blow to President Trump’s attempts to subvert the election results in the state.

"Subvert"! Pretty sure heretofore that verb would have been "challenge". When talking about trumpoid fever-dreams of election rigging, they'll routinely refer to Trump's "baseless" claims.

I just don't think I've ever seen them do this before. It's like a kid with a new toy who can't stop playing with it. Look ma! I'm using my professional judgment! When I first moved to London in 2003, newspapers were so incredible to read because the news pages would routinely pass judgment on what they people they were quoting had to say, and it was so refreshing. It was like the paper recognised that it was a participant in events, rather than a supposedly passive bystander. That it could impart its own view on someone's trustworthiness, or truthfulness, or history. The New York Times appears to be at least very occasionally realising the same thing. It's like watching an ape become sentient. Unfortunately, like that child on Christmas day, I fear that once Trump passes from the stage of national politics the New York Times will get bored of its new toy and just go back to its old ways.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 15:32 (one year ago) link

I don't think there's any question that the NY Times has become a lot more overtly partisan in its reporting during the Trump years. It's been going on for at least a few years now. Maybe it's gotten worse. I don't find it refreshing. I guess they felt like they needed to go there to compete with the likes of Huffington Post, who would otherwise repackage their expensive reporting with a more partisan slant and capture their audience. I don't really need daily headlines like "Trump Once Again Demonstrates Lack of Scruples" when that kind of thing is all over my social media feed.

o. nate, Monday, 7 December 2020 16:25 (one year ago) link

If a sitting president working to cripple the US (because a crippled country is easier to loot) isn't newsworthy, nothing is. I'm all in favor of calling Trump a crook and a liar in news stories as well as op-ed and analysis pieces.

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:54 (one year ago) link

I think it’s within the fundamental responsibility of journalists to call a claim “baseless” if, in their judgment, it is. They’re the people in a position to know (as opposed to, like, us). They’ve just interviewed the relevant experts on both sides of the story. And if an actual judge says that the President’s proxies are trying to undermine faith in an election, using a word like “subvert” is justified. On the other hand, NOT using those words would be granting Trump (or whoever) a legitimacy he hasn’t earned.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:11 (one year ago) link

I don't really need daily headlines like "Trump Once Again Demonstrates Lack of Scruples" when that kind of thing is all over my social media feed.

fetch my fainting couch!

huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 19:29 (one year ago) link

I don't know, maybe Trump really is as relentlessly bad as the Times portrays him to be, but it's very hard to read that paper day after day and have any sense of why, you know, 72 million people might vote for him, other than they are all crazy, misinformed, racist or what have you. I guess there is a popular sideline in Times analysts trying to explain this great mystery, though no one seems to ever ask if maybe he's not as one-dimensionally evil as they portray him to be, and whether that might explain part of it. I feel like some other news sources have no trouble calling Trump on his bullshit yet somehow seem to present more of an appearance of evenhandedness or objectivity.

o. nate, Saturday, 12 December 2020 04:52 (one year ago) link

Weird genre of post you’re inventing here

is right unfortunately (silby), Saturday, 12 December 2020 05:15 (one year ago) link

can you point to some articles in other press about various scruples that he has demonstrated?

huge rant (sic), Saturday, 12 December 2020 05:26 (one year ago) link

I'm not saying other press sources are constantly writing about his strong moral fiber, just that they tend to treat him more like all of the other politicians they cover (not all of whom regularly cover themselves in glory where demonstration of scruples is concerned) and less like a uniquely corrupt and maleficent force. Anyway, there's no joy to be had these days trying to advocate for old-fashioned journalistic values of neutrality, separation of editorial pages from "hard news" pages etc. Perhaps those values were always a thin veneer of respectability that deserved to be worn away.

o. nate, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:45 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Bob McChesney and John Nichols:

https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/the-local-journalism-initiative.php

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:01 (eleven months ago) link

eleven months pass...

Wow and yikes. I went to the homepage and it's all like that, just puff pieces sucking up to assorted Middle Eastern moguls and hotshots. Gross.

can't believe how far the most trusted name in news, Esquire Middle East, has fallen

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 01:34 (four days ago) link

I just looked it up, Esquire has a bunch of international editions. Not all of them owned by Hearst, some it looks like they just sold the rights to the name to an in-country publisher. But Esquire ME is an actual Hearst mag. So is Esquire Bulgaria, which I bet is a treat.


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