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Is it any great ?

squirmy rooter (s.r.w.), Thursday, 22 May 2003 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had it for all of twenty minutes and I've already amassed quite a spectacular bodycount, all dispatched with 4D Kung-Fu aplomb. It's great, if only for bullet-time.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Thursday, 22 May 2003 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to play this, but from what the movie was like I fear it'll be one long cut scene with a short level near the end.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 22 May 2003 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

A surprising amount of action, actually, and I cannot stress how cool the 'Focus' (bullet-time) feature is.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Thursday, 22 May 2003 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Who cares, the film on five last night was FANTASTIC! Yah! I did kung fu moves all the way up the stairs and realised I am no Keanu Reeves/That Bird Trinity.

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 08:27 (eighteen years ago) link

it was fun wasn't it, i especially like the bit where he is blocking Mr Smiths kung fooo moves without trying - yay Keanu

james (james), Thursday, 22 May 2003 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"you move so fast, like an agent"...

HMMMMM eh? More fighting in the Matrix and less rubbish in the ship say I. Also GROOOO the lady snogging his out of almost-corpse? Put it AWAY luv. We could have so done without the love interest which made me shout at the TV towards the end of the flick. Hiii-YA!

I wasn't going to see Reloaded but I SO AM NOW. Any ILx-ers up for a cinema trip?

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I am looking forward to seeing the new Matrix film def! Altho, i did fall asleep before the end of the matrix last nite! :-(

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 May 2003 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Fun, but "bullet time" has been done at least since Max Payne. Minor complaints: the driving and flying parts are totally stupid and pointless. Clips from the sequel were annoying b/c I haven't seen it yet, and don't want it spoiled. Also there's a hellova a lot of loading screens. And the game doesn't really get challenging (at least on medium level)until the last quarter or so. And it needs more boss fights. Still, it's quite fun.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 22 May 2003 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw it last night for the first time. A lot of it looks great, real top action directing (particularly impressive given the very limited quality of Keanu's moves), but it is very, very stupid. I can't work up too much interest in seeing a sequel myself.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 May 2003 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought it was less stupid than the first one, but this is about the video game so i'm off to the other Matrix threads

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 22 May 2003 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, Keanu-factor aside, why was the first one stupid?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole story makes not a lick of sense! It is jam-packed wall-to-wall idiocy from start to finish! (I like Keanu.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 May 2003 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I require examples.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ha dan, we dont have time or bandwidth to post the script (i like the matrix)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Look, it's simple; either you buy the basic premise and get on with enjoying the fight scenes or you don't buy the basic premise and you spend the whole movie pointing out logical inconsistencies. It's a fantasy film, not a documentary.

If it's so jam-packed with stupid things, it ought to be easy to point one out rather than saying "Ho ho it's self-evident!" and cyber-smirking.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

fav. matrix stupid line ever:

"It's a killing machine designed for only one purpose. Searching and destroying."

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I, personally, require my action heroes to match enumerations in their dialogue at all times, PARTICULARLY in moments of stress.

(IOW, if you're disconnected enough from the film to single out dialogue gaffs that people make every day, you haven't bought the premise of the movie.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

They ought to; it's not like they're a surprise or anything.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There are 12 different disbeliefs that have to be suspended for the sight of the harvesters floating ghostlike among the field of babies.

And they're all worth it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 May 2003 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I have attempted to formulate a reply to Dan, but I am so troubled by his tone that I can't bring myself to say anything reasonable. I'll limit myself to pointing out that I am not a retarded person who has never come across SF before.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 May 2003 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

fav. matrix stupid line ever:

"It's a killing machine designed for only one purpose. Searching and destroying."

Sterling, that's my favourite too! I cracked up in the theatre when I heard that--I actually said to my friend "but that's two purposes!"

slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Not since Henry Rollins unified them in 2008.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't be troubled by my tone; I am overly curmudgeonly about "The Matrix" and shouldn't be taken too seriously when talking about it.
Furthermore, I'd argue that being intimately familiar with SF is more likely to hinder your enjoyment of "The Matrix" than enhance it (ie, the reaction you're having to "The Matrix" may be very similar to the reaction I have to Buffy in the "I've seen this all before and it was better the first time" vein).

Really, the movie is all about the special effects/fight sequences and the broad plot outline. The dialogue and actual acting is completely secondary. If you don't enjoy movies on that level, you'll probably hate "The Matrix". (Keep in mind also that an action film has to be god-awful horrible before I will say mean things about it.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd expand "special effect/fight sequences" to "the look of the film". Even the derivative bits are distinct from what they are derivative of. The scene I mentioned above is anime as fuck, but more impressive than any cgi anime thus far.

Also the fact that it has more than one idea => it can actually get better as it goes on, a feat lost to most action films.

Examples of films that are bad enough for Dan to say bad things about? Are we talking The Saint, or Godzilla? Hard Target, or The Fifth Element?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

ok but i don't think its fair to say that The Matrix is purely eye candy and just mindless/illogical fun (as many critics suggest) - it is by no means the dumbest sci-fi out there. The Matrix was successful, for me at least, because it was just a gigantic smorgasboard of the majority of classic concepts in sci-fi and esp. action and kung-fu films. I'm not sure if the Wachowskis were trying to create the 'definitive' sci-fi epic for adults...perhaps an adult Star Wars, or even a Lord Of The Rings for the 21st century. its not epic enough to work at that level i guess (in the cinema it felt like quite close to 3 hours tho it was actually only just about 130 minutes or so). one thing i would say is that despite the unchallenging acting and the often contrived/cynical deployment of jaw-dropping effects (we're using them because we can) The Matrix is actually attempting to be more cerebral than Star Wars or LOTR in terms of cultural references and artistic concepts and execution, and it also benefits from setting itself in the near future on Earth as opposed to a faraway galaxy or alternate fantasy olde world. of course Terminator really captured the flag for the 'dystopian future ruled by machines' theme long ago, and most of that stuff is derived from the works Dick and Asimov anyway. but by combining these western sci-fi concepts with traditional Japanese and Chinese influences from martial arts films and anime then you have a 'new' product. a next step would be to take the Matrix dynamic into outer space, either expanding the Matrix series itself or utilising this concept for a new series e.g. King Arthur in space, the Greek myths in space...you'd end up with something closer to Dune than anything else perhaps but this would not be a bad thing. the problem is, will things like 'bullet time' become standard techniques in film-making...and how can anything else now compete with the pinnacle of stylish sci-fi action that is The Matrix series WITHOUT copying effects like that? obv. Star Wars and X-Men will fare well because they have their own well constructed dynamics and don't need clever camera angles etc. its just funny that by going this far out and trying to incorporate so much stuff the Wachowskis may end up killing the genre entirely.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

it is by no means the dumbest sci-fi out there.

I agree, but it's a pointless argument when discussing the movie with people who've already decided that the movie is dumb.

Examples of films that are bad enough for Dan to say bad things about? Are we talking The Saint, or Godzilla? Hard Target, or The Fifth Element?

Of those movies, I liked "Hard Target", loved "The Saint", ADORED "The Fifth Element" and absolutely hated "Godzilla" (despite some fantastically funny parts).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i prefer The Matrix to Fifth Element actually...a few things about the latter bugged me, i felt it was a bit of wasted opportunity despite it being equally lavish visually as the Matrix and generally an enjoyable yarn...annoyingly predictable ending tho

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Fifth Element" is all about ogling Milla Jovovich and laughing at Chris Tucker. These two things alone make it one of the greatest movies ever. (Oh, also Sumi Jo's singing as the Diva... *SWOON*)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

will things like 'bullet time' become standard techniques in film-making

Wasn't it already? Or that whole frozen-as-camera-swings-around thing? I thought the Wachowskis were allegedly sick of that, which is sorta funny. "Hey, we've pushed the edge! *looks around* What the fuck, why are you copying us?"

This thread inadvertantly reminds me -- Dan, I finally saw Dark City and lurved it, but wasn't sure what about the ending you didn't like, or at least my 'what does my twin not like again' meter was busted.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dark City" spoiler follows:

It was the whole "GOD DAMMIT, I'M PISSED OFF AND ULTRA-POWERFUL AND YOU'VE BEEN FUCKING ME OVER AND I'M GONNA TAKE YOU OUT... nah, forget it; let's hang out at the beach" thing.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Its has more than one idea, well only if the whole dystopian future Zion thing is another idea (which it int). Dan - do you like The Saint because its shot in Tom's college bedroom/secret Oxford laboratory?

Pete (Pete), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked "The Saint" because the soundtrack rocked and Elizabeth Shue was in it.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the basic idea, the virtual reality thing - Philip K. Dick is a writer I love hugely, and this is a notion with colossal potential. But this film throws it all away. I confess I wasn't always paying close attention so I probably missed how come soe could see through the virtuality and how come the computer had rather less ultimate control over reality than Keanu did, and why he acquired the command he did at that time. I enjoyed a lot of the action scenes - I think it's often brilliantly directed - but even there the very limited kung fu of Keanu is a real drawback. Imagine how good Chow Yun Fat or Jet Li could have looked!(And Jet Li is nearly as lovely as Keanu too.) The only idiocy that really made me cringe was the bit where we seemed to be getting ye olde 'love conquers all' message, which seemed jarringly out of keeping with the rest of it. Mostly the stupidity was just reasonably amusing, but it was hard to imagine how such a rich basic idea with a big budget could have been so poorly thought through.

This does mean that there could be loads of potential for interesting ideas in the sequel(s), but I have a notion it won't pan out that way, because the stuff people loved is super kung fu from a gorgeous movie star. Also the animated thing looked dumbed down rather than freshened up.

(Note to Dan and anyone else interested: I suspect my sensitivity earlier is at least 99% to do with my rather fraught mood these days.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The people who saw through the virtual reality were all hackers used to searching cryptic input for breakable patterns. Keanu and his compatriots gained so much control in the Matrix because they were in essence reprogramming it on the fly as they moved through it; Keanu was such a superstud hacker that he could do this instinctively just as fast as the machines, only with the "extra edge" of his human intuition.

It's unclear whether the human outpost was formed solely by people who broke out of the Matrix or if some folks who managed to evade the machine pogrom helped the founders break out of the Matrix.

The "love conquers all" message isn't out of touch considering that the dynamic is man versus machine/logic versus emotion. Keanu was already on the verge of mastering the Matrix in the early stages of that showdown (witness how he matches Trinity move for move despite only having been out of the Matrix for all of three days) and, after being pushed to the verge of death, Trinity's whisper into his ear gave him the last bit of strength he needed to dig down inside of himself and really let loose.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

To Dan re: spoiler -- heh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

have you guys seen the Animatrix stuff? 'The Second Renaissance' is actually quite horrific (tho obv nowhere near as bad as the darkest anime out there)

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Okay that photo.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe it can fabricate those guys a life?

snoball, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

they're hoping for some emergent aesthetics.

Kerm, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/mondooltro/mantrix.jpg

ENTER THE MANTRIX

Abbott, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Surely the Mantrix does the entering.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

https://thechoiceisyours.whatisthematrix.com

trailer this Thursday

picking each pill gives you brief clips, I'm so hard for this

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 16:51 (four months ago) link

the clock gag in those clips is pretty neat

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:06 (four months ago) link

also I've watched these clips a billion times now and I swear that although most of the clips you'll see again and again, there are rarer clips that are randomly placed

or maybe I'm just imagining it but I stg

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:08 (four months ago) link

ok so I wasn’t imagining things

The revived "What Is The Matrix" website can show you over 180,000 different combinations of teaser shots and footage from The Matrix Resurrections depending on chance and when you check it.

Here are just a few cool images. https://t.co/8Qz2vCJ85D pic.twitter.com/p3iXcGga5w

— IGN (@IGN) September 7, 2021

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:15 (four months ago) link

"IT DOESN' MADDA WHEDDA THEY'RE IN DA MATRIX OR NOT; CONSCIOUSNESS IS ITS OWN PRISON, AN' DA FIVE SENSES AH' ITS WARDENS! DA TRUTH IS, YEH JUST AFRAID *WE'RE* IN DA MATRIX, AN' EVEN IN A BOUNDLESS DIGITAL WONDAHLAND YEH LIVIN A COWAHD'S LIFE, LIKE A DOG!" pic.twitter.com/2HuEp7oQZ0

— Gretchen Felker-Martin (@scumbelievable) September 7, 2021

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 21:57 (four months ago) link

had to accept cookies before i clicked a pill...trenchant..............

, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:12 (four months ago) link

the "Keanu can't act" accusations better fit a film like Devil's Advocate, where he actually tries for some gravitas and fails. he's a pretty convincing Neo and those are the roles he does well.

xpost listening now, in total hog heaven podcastwise

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 January 2022 00:26 (two weeks ago) link

Carrie Ann Moss is even worse! Anyway I will stop now :)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 3 January 2022 11:33 (two weeks ago) link

saw resurrections and it was pretty good! not everything worked but most of it did. much better than revolutions for sure, though it doesn't reach the same heights as the first two. i do wish hugo weaving had been available though, that would have made this version of smith even better.

not really surprising that a lot of people hated this though, it really requires being at least familiar and sympathetic towards the sequels + having tolerance for its self-indulgent meta stuff which i guess most people don't. personally i loved mgs2 and could have done with even more of it though

ufo, Monday, 3 January 2022 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

i want speed racer resurrections

ufo, Monday, 3 January 2022 13:18 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't seen any of this yet and may yet watch some of it, but I know the very general gist and saw someone else suggest that it should have been called "The Matrix: Rebooted," and I think that's very clever.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 January 2022 13:59 (two weeks ago) link

keanu is the uncarved block

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 January 2022 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

xp: It would have been more clever if this movie was a reboot and did not involve multiple resurrections

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Monday, 3 January 2022 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

Can I watch this if I haven't seen the third one?

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 January 2022 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah. Skim a plot summary though.

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Monday, 3 January 2022 17:53 (two weeks ago) link

this is one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time, it felt so small, stupid, cheap

Bongo Jongus, Monday, 3 January 2022 18:31 (two weeks ago) link

Didn’t post this here the other night but this impenetrable line read is absolutely incredible & I keep watching it every few hours. When she takes the big breath and it’s STILL indecipherable? That’s the prestige pic.twitter.com/rQhHlIvRVY

— Paul F. Tompkins (@PFTompkins) January 3, 2022

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 January 2022 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

This movie is more enjoyable to talk about afterward than it is to watch imo

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 January 2022 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

lmao at that video

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 3 January 2022 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

I thought I got most of that line when watching it.

Here's the subs:

You call this a choice?

Oh, honestly, when somebody offered me these things, I went off on binary conceptions of the world and said there was no way I was swallowing some symbolic reduction of my life. And the woman with the pills laughed ’cause I was missing the point.

What point?

The choice is an illusion. You already know what you have to do.

adam t. (abanana), Monday, 3 January 2022 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

it was clear, if fast, for me. definitely don’t judge it based off that phone recording of a tv

mh, Monday, 3 January 2022 20:12 (two weeks ago) link

I will say that this movie is Exhibit 842 in my argument that Hollywood needs to get over its recent aversion to ADR. It feels like there have been at least a few incomprehensible mumblefests in most every movie or tv show I've seen from the past several years.

Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 January 2022 20:21 (two weeks ago) link

I liked the new Smith, if only for the fact that it’d have been a dead giveaway from the beginning who Neo’s boss was. That facial expression as he sees the office shootout take place, his eyes settle on the gun that’s on the floor, and then remembers was pretty fun

mh, Monday, 3 January 2022 20:30 (two weeks ago) link

I remember the "binary conceptions of the world" and "I was missing the point" parts. That was enough.

I think the main sound thing that recent movies have a problem with is that they do a decent surround sound mix for theatres but just use an automated program to convert it to stereo.

adam t. (abanana), Monday, 3 January 2022 21:12 (two weeks ago) link

otm, and increasingly noticeable due to the thing with modern sci fi/fantasy/superhero movies where actors are given big mouthfuls of knotty expository dialogue that would read fine on the page of a comic book, but sound bizarre when a live human is told to bark it out as fast as possible in order to keep up the pace of an exciting scene.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 3 January 2022 21:22 (two weeks ago) link

I liked the new Smith, if only for the fact that it’d have been a dead giveaway from the beginning who Neo’s boss was

Yes that did occur to me. So if Weaving had been available I wonder how they'dve got around that.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 3 January 2022 22:56 (two weeks ago) link

new smith was good, just having weaving play this version would have been funnier. it wasn't really a twist, it was made pretty clear as soon as he was introduced

ufo, Monday, 3 January 2022 23:32 (two weeks ago) link

He has a bust of Weaving in his office and calls Neo by the wrong name consistently- I don’t think it was meant to be a mystery!

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Monday, 3 January 2022 23:34 (two weeks ago) link

i would've loved to see weaving play a douchey tech boss for the first part

, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 00:11 (two weeks ago) link

big mouthfuls of knotty expository dialogue that would read fine on the page of a comic book

tell me you didn’t buy Shaolin Cowboy without telling me you didn’t buy Shaolin Cowboy

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 00:27 (two weeks ago) link

one of the issues with this is it has so many ideas that it doesn't really get the chance to explore them all. smith & morpheus are the biggest victims of that, though smith is still great here

ufo, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 00:45 (two weeks ago) link

I read a review that said they should have cast Samara Weaving as nu-Smith, and that would have been amazing.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 00:59 (two weeks ago) link

Could have gone with Tony Abbott

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 01:14 (two weeks ago) link

He wouldn’t have been able to pull off the “pretending unconvincingly to be human” part at the start

Could perform his own system glitches though

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

one of the issues with this is it has so many ideas that it doesn't really get the chance to explore them all

Definitely felt this, but it's a much better problem to have than the opposite

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 02:55 (two weeks ago) link

He has a bust of Weaving in his office and calls Neo by the wrong name consistently

He has a bust of the villain from the game they published, and calls Tom by the name he is known by in their world? sus

just going out for coffee, game guy is much worse before the reveal

mh, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 05:24 (two weeks ago) link

total milf!

mh, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 05:24 (two weeks ago) link

i just think of the horrors that were avoided by zak penn NOT picking up the matrix ball and running with it

am grateful that we got this instead

like, i have been thinking about this a lot. there is so much cynical glib shit out in the world and manufactured emotion and especially in Big Event movies humanity doesnt always survive the moviemaking process from script to screen & i am personally so glad that this movie exists and that there’s so much soul in it and that it ends in a beautiful way

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 06:06 (two weeks ago) link

He has a bust of the villain from the game they published,

Being punched so hard (for being a turbocunt) that his entire face changes shape!!! c’mon

+ also in contrast to the already-established Thomas-desk statue of Trinity looking cool* as fuck

and calls Tom by the name he is known by in their world? sus

Does anyone else call him “Tom” familiarly? It verrrry much felt like a “cool boss” tactic equivalent of the more aggressive deadnaming that Weaving does in the orig(inals)

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 06:32 (two weeks ago) link

* I found the gun stuff mostly gross in the first one so adoooorrrred how neither of them touch one in this

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 06:33 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i loved that

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 06:56 (two weeks ago) link

stuff i didn't really like:

the action is fairly perfunctory - it's not bad but it totally lacks the cartoonish flair and ambition of the originals. it's not the focus and gets away with this but it's still kind of a shame?

morpheus mostly didn't work here & not having fishburne back was a real shame. he's also by far the biggest victim of too many ideas, there's just so much going on with what they do with him but none of it really goes anywhere at all & there wasn't really space for it to begin with. smith also suffers from more ideas than there were room for, but what they did with him works much better.

i totally get how people who hadn't watched the originals very recently could have found the plot hard to follow in places. i only had pretty minor complaints there though (smith's motivations here took a little bit to figure out & could have been clearer).

ufo, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 09:22 (two weeks ago) link

re: the action, no matter how you cut it a film without Yuen Woo-ping is not gonna live up to one with him onboard.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 10:39 (two weeks ago) link

If you want more to chew over

https://gizmodo.com/the-matrixs-queer-subtext-is-plain-text-in-resurrection-1848323936

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 January 2022 23:28 (two weeks ago) link

It is very weird to play Cyberpunk 2077 after seeing this for how much Keanu is in that game(and how monotonal his voice acting is)

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 13 January 2022 02:29 (one week ago) link

Griffin and David naturally go on for quite awhile about this one: https://audioboom.com/posts/8006197-the-matrix-resurrections

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 January 2022 17:38 (one week ago) link

i just love this movie

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:36 (fourteen hours ago) link

this is my husband chad

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 21 January 2022 01:46 (fourteen hours ago) link

“Handsome Chad”

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Friday, 21 January 2022 02:00 (fourteen hours ago) link

the meta-ness of Chad is delightful

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 January 2022 02:13 (fourteen hours ago) link

the chad who is a chad, but also a construct and then the guy who shoots keanu doing violence in another franchise

mh, Friday, 21 January 2022 02:26 (fourteen hours ago) link

AND the chad who was keanus stunt double in the original matrix

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 January 2022 02:29 (fourteen hours ago) link

ty for filling in the omission

glitch, etc

mh, Friday, 21 January 2022 02:30 (fourteen hours ago) link

on rewatches, I appreciate that they make it clear that Smith isn’t a megalomaniac, just hates the Matrix as much as Neo. I don’t think he’d ever want to be a free range ai construct like nu-Morpheus, he just wants an autonomy that is yet to be defined. it’s impossible to be an ally or true enemy that doesn’t have a clearly defined idea of what they want

mh, Friday, 21 January 2022 02:38 (thirteen hours ago) link


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