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Is it any great ?

squirmy rooter (s.r.w.), Thursday, 22 May 2003 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had it for all of twenty minutes and I've already amassed quite a spectacular bodycount, all dispatched with 4D Kung-Fu aplomb. It's great, if only for bullet-time.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Thursday, 22 May 2003 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to play this, but from what the movie was like I fear it'll be one long cut scene with a short level near the end.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 22 May 2003 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

A surprising amount of action, actually, and I cannot stress how cool the 'Focus' (bullet-time) feature is.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Thursday, 22 May 2003 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Who cares, the film on five last night was FANTASTIC! Yah! I did kung fu moves all the way up the stairs and realised I am no Keanu Reeves/That Bird Trinity.

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 08:27 (eighteen years ago) link

it was fun wasn't it, i especially like the bit where he is blocking Mr Smiths kung fooo moves without trying - yay Keanu

james (james), Thursday, 22 May 2003 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"you move so fast, like an agent"...

HMMMMM eh? More fighting in the Matrix and less rubbish in the ship say I. Also GROOOO the lady snogging his out of almost-corpse? Put it AWAY luv. We could have so done without the love interest which made me shout at the TV towards the end of the flick. Hiii-YA!

I wasn't going to see Reloaded but I SO AM NOW. Any ILx-ers up for a cinema trip?

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I am looking forward to seeing the new Matrix film def! Altho, i did fall asleep before the end of the matrix last nite! :-(

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 May 2003 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Fun, but "bullet time" has been done at least since Max Payne. Minor complaints: the driving and flying parts are totally stupid and pointless. Clips from the sequel were annoying b/c I haven't seen it yet, and don't want it spoiled. Also there's a hellova a lot of loading screens. And the game doesn't really get challenging (at least on medium level)until the last quarter or so. And it needs more boss fights. Still, it's quite fun.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 22 May 2003 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw it last night for the first time. A lot of it looks great, real top action directing (particularly impressive given the very limited quality of Keanu's moves), but it is very, very stupid. I can't work up too much interest in seeing a sequel myself.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 May 2003 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought it was less stupid than the first one, but this is about the video game so i'm off to the other Matrix threads

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 22 May 2003 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, Keanu-factor aside, why was the first one stupid?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole story makes not a lick of sense! It is jam-packed wall-to-wall idiocy from start to finish! (I like Keanu.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 May 2003 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I require examples.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ha dan, we dont have time or bandwidth to post the script (i like the matrix)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Look, it's simple; either you buy the basic premise and get on with enjoying the fight scenes or you don't buy the basic premise and you spend the whole movie pointing out logical inconsistencies. It's a fantasy film, not a documentary.

If it's so jam-packed with stupid things, it ought to be easy to point one out rather than saying "Ho ho it's self-evident!" and cyber-smirking.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

fav. matrix stupid line ever:

"It's a killing machine designed for only one purpose. Searching and destroying."

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I, personally, require my action heroes to match enumerations in their dialogue at all times, PARTICULARLY in moments of stress.

(IOW, if you're disconnected enough from the film to single out dialogue gaffs that people make every day, you haven't bought the premise of the movie.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

They ought to; it's not like they're a surprise or anything.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There are 12 different disbeliefs that have to be suspended for the sight of the harvesters floating ghostlike among the field of babies.

And they're all worth it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 May 2003 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I have attempted to formulate a reply to Dan, but I am so troubled by his tone that I can't bring myself to say anything reasonable. I'll limit myself to pointing out that I am not a retarded person who has never come across SF before.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 May 2003 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

fav. matrix stupid line ever:

"It's a killing machine designed for only one purpose. Searching and destroying."

Sterling, that's my favourite too! I cracked up in the theatre when I heard that--I actually said to my friend "but that's two purposes!"

slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Not since Henry Rollins unified them in 2008.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 May 2003 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't be troubled by my tone; I am overly curmudgeonly about "The Matrix" and shouldn't be taken too seriously when talking about it.
Furthermore, I'd argue that being intimately familiar with SF is more likely to hinder your enjoyment of "The Matrix" than enhance it (ie, the reaction you're having to "The Matrix" may be very similar to the reaction I have to Buffy in the "I've seen this all before and it was better the first time" vein).

Really, the movie is all about the special effects/fight sequences and the broad plot outline. The dialogue and actual acting is completely secondary. If you don't enjoy movies on that level, you'll probably hate "The Matrix". (Keep in mind also that an action film has to be god-awful horrible before I will say mean things about it.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd expand "special effect/fight sequences" to "the look of the film". Even the derivative bits are distinct from what they are derivative of. The scene I mentioned above is anime as fuck, but more impressive than any cgi anime thus far.

Also the fact that it has more than one idea => it can actually get better as it goes on, a feat lost to most action films.

Examples of films that are bad enough for Dan to say bad things about? Are we talking The Saint, or Godzilla? Hard Target, or The Fifth Element?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

ok but i don't think its fair to say that The Matrix is purely eye candy and just mindless/illogical fun (as many critics suggest) - it is by no means the dumbest sci-fi out there. The Matrix was successful, for me at least, because it was just a gigantic smorgasboard of the majority of classic concepts in sci-fi and esp. action and kung-fu films. I'm not sure if the Wachowskis were trying to create the 'definitive' sci-fi epic for adults...perhaps an adult Star Wars, or even a Lord Of The Rings for the 21st century. its not epic enough to work at that level i guess (in the cinema it felt like quite close to 3 hours tho it was actually only just about 130 minutes or so). one thing i would say is that despite the unchallenging acting and the often contrived/cynical deployment of jaw-dropping effects (we're using them because we can) The Matrix is actually attempting to be more cerebral than Star Wars or LOTR in terms of cultural references and artistic concepts and execution, and it also benefits from setting itself in the near future on Earth as opposed to a faraway galaxy or alternate fantasy olde world. of course Terminator really captured the flag for the 'dystopian future ruled by machines' theme long ago, and most of that stuff is derived from the works Dick and Asimov anyway. but by combining these western sci-fi concepts with traditional Japanese and Chinese influences from martial arts films and anime then you have a 'new' product. a next step would be to take the Matrix dynamic into outer space, either expanding the Matrix series itself or utilising this concept for a new series e.g. King Arthur in space, the Greek myths in space...you'd end up with something closer to Dune than anything else perhaps but this would not be a bad thing. the problem is, will things like 'bullet time' become standard techniques in film-making...and how can anything else now compete with the pinnacle of stylish sci-fi action that is The Matrix series WITHOUT copying effects like that? obv. Star Wars and X-Men will fare well because they have their own well constructed dynamics and don't need clever camera angles etc. its just funny that by going this far out and trying to incorporate so much stuff the Wachowskis may end up killing the genre entirely.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

it is by no means the dumbest sci-fi out there.

I agree, but it's a pointless argument when discussing the movie with people who've already decided that the movie is dumb.

Examples of films that are bad enough for Dan to say bad things about? Are we talking The Saint, or Godzilla? Hard Target, or The Fifth Element?

Of those movies, I liked "Hard Target", loved "The Saint", ADORED "The Fifth Element" and absolutely hated "Godzilla" (despite some fantastically funny parts).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i prefer The Matrix to Fifth Element actually...a few things about the latter bugged me, i felt it was a bit of wasted opportunity despite it being equally lavish visually as the Matrix and generally an enjoyable yarn...annoyingly predictable ending tho

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Fifth Element" is all about ogling Milla Jovovich and laughing at Chris Tucker. These two things alone make it one of the greatest movies ever. (Oh, also Sumi Jo's singing as the Diva... *SWOON*)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

will things like 'bullet time' become standard techniques in film-making

Wasn't it already? Or that whole frozen-as-camera-swings-around thing? I thought the Wachowskis were allegedly sick of that, which is sorta funny. "Hey, we've pushed the edge! *looks around* What the fuck, why are you copying us?"

This thread inadvertantly reminds me -- Dan, I finally saw Dark City and lurved it, but wasn't sure what about the ending you didn't like, or at least my 'what does my twin not like again' meter was busted.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dark City" spoiler follows:

It was the whole "GOD DAMMIT, I'M PISSED OFF AND ULTRA-POWERFUL AND YOU'VE BEEN FUCKING ME OVER AND I'M GONNA TAKE YOU OUT... nah, forget it; let's hang out at the beach" thing.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Its has more than one idea, well only if the whole dystopian future Zion thing is another idea (which it int). Dan - do you like The Saint because its shot in Tom's college bedroom/secret Oxford laboratory?

Pete (Pete), Friday, 23 May 2003 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked "The Saint" because the soundtrack rocked and Elizabeth Shue was in it.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the basic idea, the virtual reality thing - Philip K. Dick is a writer I love hugely, and this is a notion with colossal potential. But this film throws it all away. I confess I wasn't always paying close attention so I probably missed how come soe could see through the virtuality and how come the computer had rather less ultimate control over reality than Keanu did, and why he acquired the command he did at that time. I enjoyed a lot of the action scenes - I think it's often brilliantly directed - but even there the very limited kung fu of Keanu is a real drawback. Imagine how good Chow Yun Fat or Jet Li could have looked!(And Jet Li is nearly as lovely as Keanu too.) The only idiocy that really made me cringe was the bit where we seemed to be getting ye olde 'love conquers all' message, which seemed jarringly out of keeping with the rest of it. Mostly the stupidity was just reasonably amusing, but it was hard to imagine how such a rich basic idea with a big budget could have been so poorly thought through.

This does mean that there could be loads of potential for interesting ideas in the sequel(s), but I have a notion it won't pan out that way, because the stuff people loved is super kung fu from a gorgeous movie star. Also the animated thing looked dumbed down rather than freshened up.

(Note to Dan and anyone else interested: I suspect my sensitivity earlier is at least 99% to do with my rather fraught mood these days.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The people who saw through the virtual reality were all hackers used to searching cryptic input for breakable patterns. Keanu and his compatriots gained so much control in the Matrix because they were in essence reprogramming it on the fly as they moved through it; Keanu was such a superstud hacker that he could do this instinctively just as fast as the machines, only with the "extra edge" of his human intuition.

It's unclear whether the human outpost was formed solely by people who broke out of the Matrix or if some folks who managed to evade the machine pogrom helped the founders break out of the Matrix.

The "love conquers all" message isn't out of touch considering that the dynamic is man versus machine/logic versus emotion. Keanu was already on the verge of mastering the Matrix in the early stages of that showdown (witness how he matches Trinity move for move despite only having been out of the Matrix for all of three days) and, after being pushed to the verge of death, Trinity's whisper into his ear gave him the last bit of strength he needed to dig down inside of himself and really let loose.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

To Dan re: spoiler -- heh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

have you guys seen the Animatrix stuff? 'The Second Renaissance' is actually quite horrific (tho obv nowhere near as bad as the darkest anime out there)

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Okay that photo.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe it can fabricate those guys a life?

snoball, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

they're hoping for some emergent aesthetics.

Kerm, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/mondooltro/mantrix.jpg

ENTER THE MANTRIX

Abbott, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Surely the Mantrix does the entering.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

https://thechoiceisyours.whatisthematrix.com

trailer this Thursday

picking each pill gives you brief clips, I'm so hard for this

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 16:51 (one week ago) link

the clock gag in those clips is pretty neat

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:06 (one week ago) link

also I've watched these clips a billion times now and I swear that although most of the clips you'll see again and again, there are rarer clips that are randomly placed

or maybe I'm just imagining it but I stg

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:08 (one week ago) link

ok so I wasn’t imagining things

The revived "What Is The Matrix" website can show you over 180,000 different combinations of teaser shots and footage from The Matrix Resurrections depending on chance and when you check it.

Here are just a few cool images. https://t.co/8Qz2vCJ85D pic.twitter.com/p3iXcGga5w

— IGN (@IGN) September 7, 2021

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:15 (one week ago) link

"IT DOESN' MADDA WHEDDA THEY'RE IN DA MATRIX OR NOT; CONSCIOUSNESS IS ITS OWN PRISON, AN' DA FIVE SENSES AH' ITS WARDENS! DA TRUTH IS, YEH JUST AFRAID *WE'RE* IN DA MATRIX, AN' EVEN IN A BOUNDLESS DIGITAL WONDAHLAND YEH LIVIN A COWAHD'S LIFE, LIKE A DOG!" pic.twitter.com/2HuEp7oQZ0

— Gretchen Felker-Martin (@scumbelievable) September 7, 2021

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 21:57 (one week ago) link

had to accept cookies before i clicked a pill...trenchant..............

, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 00:12 (one week ago) link

The freeway chase / multi-weapon fight still looks awesome, but unsurprisingly the thousand-agent one looks pretty dogshit these days.

The main problem with Reloaded is that it's part 1 of 2, and I defended it on the basis that Revolutions would cause it to all make sense - and it made a liar of me :)

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:31 (one week ago) link

thousand agent smiths scene looks like a ps2 cut scene on our modern quadrillion pixel televisions but caring about this seems pointless to me

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:33 (one week ago) link

also what doesn't make sense about it???? idk, hatred for the matrix sequels seems like one of the worst hangover opinions from the early '00s

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:34 (one week ago) link

I'll come back to you when I rewatch them ahead of this one coming out - it's been a while and I remember being massively underwhelmed more than the details.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:40 (one week ago) link

I really liked the second one a lot (some of the best action sequences I've seen), strongly disliked the third one (boring action sequences). I don't really care too much if these kinds of movies make sense or not, just give me a couple of weird wtf moments.

silverfish, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:51 (one week ago) link

Iirc it was the *lack* of action that did us in with number 2. At least for the half (1/3rd?) we watched. Up to the big Agent Smith(s) fight, whenever that part arrives. She was just bored and I couldn't handle the acting or directing or writing or most of all the enervating portent. But whatevs, different strokes!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:04 (one week ago) link

My memory of 2 & 3 is of interminable, low-stakes fights like playing Doom on God Mode.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:11 (one week ago) link

I just went back to check, and between the end of the intro fight and the Agents Smith fight in the second film there is I think a 45 minute break, and those minutes are super silly and absolutely stultifying. The rave, the inexplicably stilted robo acting, the grandiosity. That's what did us in.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

Great trailer imo - it took me from indifferent to pretty excited in under three minutes.

chap, Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:19 (one week ago) link

I'm not convinced yet, come on we've all been burnt by many trailers in the past (mute white rabbit from that trailer and meh imh). Will wait and see.

Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:22 (one week ago) link

Matrix 2 & 3 struck me as the Wachowskis not really understanding what folks loved about the first one and doubling down on all the wrong bits

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:29 (one week ago) link

See also: Lucas and his prequels, sad proof that maybe an unlimited budget and full creative control are not always a good thing. (Cameron lifts his head in the editing bay, alert, chuckles to himself, then gets back to work on Avatar 5.)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:49 (one week ago) link

Also: the Peter Jackson of the LOTR films vs the Peter Jackson of the Hobbit films. (Darragh proceeds to complain about how they're all like that, etc.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:02 (one week ago) link

Also Ridley Scott & Prometheus etc - are there actually any examples where unlimited budget and creative control turn out well?

ledge, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:04 (one week ago) link

i literally can't have this convo with any of you. ok the hobbit movies are not great i assume i have never seen any of them. alien covenant is one of my favorite movies of the last decade and prometheus is dumb and gorgeous

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:06 (one week ago) link

Fully agreed with Brad on Prometheus. (And yes, trust me on the Hobbit movies.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:13 (one week ago) link

Also Ridley Scott & Prometheus etc - are there actually any examples where unlimited budget and creative control turn out well?

Mad Max: Fury Road?

MarkoP, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:38 (one week ago) link

Watched the first Hobbit movie and that was enough for me, but I just finished reading it with my son for the first time and now he really wants to see them all.... ugh (we've already watched all the LOTR ones)

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:40 (one week ago) link

Anyway some SF specificities

https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/matrix-resurrections-trailer-san-francisco-filming-16446150.php

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:44 (one week ago) link

And a full trailer breakdown if you want it

https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-the-matrix-resurrections-head-trip-of-a-f-1847639698

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:45 (one week ago) link

Did anybody recognize who’s doing the score for the film?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:39 (one week ago) link

Good sequels and expansive funding;

Fury Road
Psychonauts 2
Maybe some Tarantino thing?
Hideo Kojima lolz option

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:40 (one week ago) link

The basic problem with the idea of making/remaking/soft rebooting The Matrix right now is that we already all know what the Matrix is

So my guess/gamble is that it is no longer what we think it was, it is something severely worse

— qntm (@qntm) September 8, 2021

lukas, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:45 (one week ago) link

man i hope so

lukas, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:46 (one week ago) link

how does a Matrix movie work in 2021? I'm supposed to be scared of living in a fake reality, trapped forever in 1999? Shit frost my tips and log me in

— Kenny Keil (@kennykeil) September 7, 2021

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

I’m curious how much they’ll play Keanu as Zen/Jedi Master given his age and vibe. Similar to how he can’t really play Ted “Theodor” Logan anymore, I don’t think he can do Neo ‘99 either.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:54 (one week ago) link

even when the movie came out "the Matrix doesn't seem so bad" was a standard joke response, the biggest downside was having to listen to Rob Zombie at the club

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:59 (one week ago) link

“the matrix doesn’t seem so bad” - straight people

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:21 (one week ago) link

“the matrix doesn’t seem so bad” - straight people

Eh. tons of straight people embraced the "red pill" idea. but that's only because they fantasized themselves as Neo and they wanted to learn kung fu in twelve seconds and be able to fly like superman.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:35 (one week ago) link

every straight dude I knew loved the original matrix, I don't think I've ever met anyone who is really into the sequels

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:58 (one week ago) link

they received such a bad reception that I didn't even end up seeing either of them

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:58 (one week ago) link

I'm not convinced yet, come on we've all been burnt by many trailers in the past (mute white rabbit from that trailer and meh imh). Will wait and see.

― Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste)

I'm saying it'll be a great film, but it is a great trailer.

chap, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:22 (one week ago) link

this is surely going to deliberately subvert the soft-reboot pitch of this trailer, right? no idea if they'll pull it off well but i expect it will be interesting and gorgeous at the very least

ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:39 (one week ago) link

people seem to be expecting some mgs2-esque meta take on the reboot-sequel thing though so obviously the question is if they can subvert that somehow...

ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:42 (one week ago) link

Think it's a bad trailer (nothing that exciting on show - just confirmation that most of the things you'd expect to be there are present) but I then think most trailers for these kinds of films are bad (deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible). It really doesn't offer anything that intriguing though does it - as in beyond the questions that would already have arose from the fact that it's being made at all ? Not sure what they can do to match the visual and technical novelty of the first trilogy though.

nashwan, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:51 (one week ago) link

deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible is good not bad ftr.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 10 September 2021 12:58 (one week ago) link

That's for sure. I was impressed by how little the Shang-Chi trailer (for example) gave away of what's actually in the movie. But really, this is the fourth Matrix movie. From color scheme to time-warp kicking, people generally know what they're going to get on that front. As for the story, it's surely going to be some convoluted "do you see!?" would-be trip, and I don't know how they would shoehorn that into a trailer, anyway.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:03 (one week ago) link

So we all agree that trailers are pointless should be abolished cool

nashwan, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:11 (one week ago) link

I think some trailers are super cool and add to the intrigue/excitement (the creepy trailer for "Lamb," for example, though that one admittedly earned the movie a "nope" from my wife). And then you get stuff like the recent "Suicide Squad" trailer, which provided some pretty sneaky misdirection.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:29 (one week ago) link

I'm not very enthused about this, but if they take the Universal Soldier approach of effectively rebooting and pretending the second and third movies don't exist, it could be OK.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 10 September 2021 13:56 (one week ago) link

pretending the second and third movies don't exist has long been the best option for everyone

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:24 (one week ago) link

Did anybody recognize who’s doing the score for the film?

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish),

juno reactor tweeted this earlier :

"Thank you & I Love the support. Lana has made a great choice in Thomas Tykwer and co-composers, nothing stays the same, excited to see the new film!"

mark e, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:31 (one week ago) link

I tend not to watch trailers before seeing a movie as they often contain mild (and sometimes not so mild) spoilers but their one job (duh!) is to make people want to see the film, not necessarily convey what the film's about.

It seems that a lot of people walked out of The Green Knight as the trailer suggests you're in for some sword & sorcery action type shit and the reality is obviously nothing of the sort

groovypanda, Monday, 13 September 2021 09:54 (five days ago) link

idk, hatred for the matrix sequels seems like one of the worst hangover opinions from the early '00s

skipped everything after this post, otm

the second and third were bad, the first was good, i will watch the new one as soon as i am able

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 09:57 (five days ago) link

anyone who walked out of green knight slipped on a banana peel on their way out

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 09:58 (five days ago) link

to hell with this non-action movie that has a ton of action, i'm gonna go get some fruit instead, whooaaaa

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 09:58 (five days ago) link

I rewatched most of Reloaded/Revolutions and imo Reloaded is a great action set piece, subverts some of the things people assumed about the movie’s world after the first one, and ends on a cliffhanger that’s unsettling in how it fundamentally changes the conceit even further

Revolutions has some amazing bits, but suffers from too much Zion content. I get exactly what the Wachowskis were going for, but too much of the audience didn’t want an earthy, very human third setting between machine hellscape and VR dystopia

I will admit that I skipped a bunch of Zion scenes and rewatched all three over the weekend

mh, Monday, 13 September 2021 21:52 (five days ago) link

Jessica Henwick looks cool af in this trailer

mh, Monday, 13 September 2021 21:53 (five days ago) link

revolutions very tenderly pays off a bunch of character stuff initiated in reloaded and for that i always feel so emotional watching it that i can't really focus on the things that are supposedly bad about it. zion rules. the ultimate neo/smith fight is just 360 degree punching in digital rain and it's the best shit ever

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:03 (five days ago) link

ugh i'm gonna end up watching all of these again

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:32 (five days ago) link


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