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i've had a high pitched whistling noise in my LH ear since 11 sept '02

Duane, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:28 (seventeen years ago) link

do you think it will ever go away

duane, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Go see an ear nose and throat specialist and get a hearing test. You'll probably need to get a referral from a GP (I dont know how it works in other countries but thats how it works in Aus).

If you've had a persistant whistle for that long, it probably is tinnitus/nerve damage and may or may not go away depending on the cause.

Ive had "noisy" ears most of my life. You kinda get used to it, in my case I only really notice it when it's quiet which is good, but for some people it actually impairs their hearing so GET IT SEEN TO!

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In the mean time buy some ear plugs for gigs so it doesn't get any worse. There are some which drop all frequencies equally and still give you good definitions but any will do.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link

check out an osteopath .. you may be able to do this via acc as it could be seemn as a work related incident/accident

hellbaby (hellbaby), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i blame elborado

duane, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link

stop listening to all that Grateful Dead and Sleater-Kinney. it won't cure yer tinnitus, though -- you should just stop listening to that ass music!

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 07:17 (seventeen years ago) link

hey i don't listen to sleater-kinney, yr obv thinkin of someone else!

duane, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha "ass music"

duane, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 07:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I've had a low running case for years. Much as I love the Kitchens of Distinction, I have them to blame.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

My dad has a really severe case of tinnitus -- in most cases it does not go away. I would second what Ed said, and add that there are things like caffeine and alcohol that can make the noise/whistling worse.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I need to check out some fancier earplugs, like those Ed mentions. I've used the cylindrical foam ones at a couple of recent shows but the result is like listening to music played on a beach while swimming off the coast several feet underwater, and I end up taking them off. Specific recommendations would be welcome.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the ones that you get from Virgin Airlines; they're little conical foam ones but they don't completely ruin the acoustics.

There is a place in Berkeley that will make custom earplugs for you for about $150 that are supposed to be amazing; they're molded to your ear, only cut out damaging frequencies, apparently don't interfere with the music at all, just like turning down the volume on it. But I am too cheap to go have them made so I will probably go deaf instead.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't wear the ones that look like giant professional studio headphones, they just make you look like a dick.

NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

check the archives at this site while your at it.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Occasionally one of my ears (usually left) will out-of-nowhere seem to all of a sudden start whistling REALLY LOUD and then fade away. Bizarre. I don't usually notice it because I live and work around so much ambient noise, but I often have to turn up music and TV louder than my peers do. Whether this is out of habit or actual necessity I'm not sure, my ability to catch dialogue doesn't seem to change much.

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeahm I get that once every few months too, but I think I've had it since childhood. I've never remembered it to check up on it.

There are these earplugs made for surfers, which although not ideal as they do not have a completly flat noise-reduction curve (high-end noises drop off slightly quicker in this case) they are better than foam ones. I bought mine for £10 from Richer Sounds in the UK. I can find out the make if you're interested (ot you can just look on their website)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I get that! Its almost as if I was wearing hearing aids and one ear went bung for a short while. A sudden single-note whistle along with sudden deafness in the same ear. It passes after a minute or so. I thought it was just me... I wonder what that is?

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll check out the Richer Sounds site, Chew.

NA: What about the ones that look like a motorcycle helmet?

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...
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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Nangnangnangnang!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 22 January 2004 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i've still got it, it's got even worser in fact

duane, Thursday, 22 January 2004 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Sleater-Kinney solve tinnitis in the way that sawing your leg off at the thgh solves knee pain.

R bunged up with jollop V (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 22 January 2004 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

God, if there's anything worse than it being Christmas, it's having the occasional brief attacks of ringing (coupled with that loud white noise-like whisping which is seemingly louder than I remember it ever being, along with annoyingly sore eardrums) which must have resulted from the onslaught of sound put myself through all month - knowing better all the while. So not only is everything closed, it's cold out, and I have to force myself to lay off music for a few solid days straight. Very annoying.

mehlt, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

uhrghhhh blinding white noise in my eears. it's like I'm walking around with a Tokyo-Berlin art collaboration in my ears

burt_stanton, Monday, 14 April 2008 06:04 (twelve years ago) link

I get a weird sound/sensation in my right ear, but only when I'm singing. it has a tinny sound. It's hard to describe - like really distant cymbals, I guess. But it's only when I sing!

I definitely have abused my ears, and sometimes think I'm going deaf in one ear. But i'm also going old,
I think, when you sing, physically - by pushing sound out it goes by/through aural connections so maybe it's the interior of the ear reacting to my voice?
I have sometimes noticed it when I've had to really yell something to someone in a crowd - like, I am modulating my voice to yell within the sound around me.
Any thoughts?

aimurchie, Monday, 14 April 2008 06:35 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

What the fuck! I woke up in the middle of the night, ears ringing out of nowhere, lasted for what felt like hours. It was loud and constant, but the weird thing is that they were totally fine when I went to bed, and are ok now. Gave me the scare of a lifetime though. I mean, how the hell do you go on listening to music consistently after that. It's like a constant threat, it feels like its a virus I can just catch out of nowhere. I feel like I can't DJ or produce music nearly as much as I would like to, or listen to music. Fuck, I have to say, tinnitus/hearing loss is probably one of the things I'm most afraid of.

mehlt, Sunday, 18 May 2008 23:35 (twelve years ago) link

Mine's gotten a bit worse, though they're checking to see if it might be fluid buildup behind the eardrums.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 May 2008 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

i got custom earplugs made. it was a neat and expensive (180.00 US) experience that I feel is well worth the money.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Sunday, 18 May 2008 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know if it's tinnitus or not, but my hearing got totally fucked by Medicine in 1995. Constant ringing for a few weeks and slightly dulled sensitivity ever since. Moral of the story: kids, wear earplugs. And Brad, if you're out there, thanks bro!

Pillbox, Monday, 19 May 2008 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

I get this more than every once in a blue moon. I remember my pops used to crank up the speakers super loud when I was sitting next to em to get a rise out of me. Thanks for the damage, dad!
LOL, xpost; families fuck you up.

forksclovetofu, Monday, 19 May 2008 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

I've had tinnitus for a year and a half or so. Going too many dubstep nights without earplugs was the cause. I should really mention it to my doctor though because although it's not severe I also have, and I suppose it must be related, a problem with my left ear, it's often itchy/sore when I wake up and I feel it's not working quite as well as the right. I've learned the earplug lesson (£10 pair of vented earplugs out of a musical equipment shop actually makes really super loud club soundsystems sound better, the highs are a little sharper and the bass seems a little more defined).

jim, Monday, 19 May 2008 00:33 (twelve years ago) link

In October, I'll have had Tinnitus for nine years.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 19 May 2008 01:02 (twelve years ago) link

Thing is I never go anywhere without earplugs. In fact, I'd get so much use out of custom earplugs.

Another question. Do your ears ever feel sore after listening to music for awhile? Because mine do all the time, even when they're entirely fine otherwise. Like, hearing still fine, but soreness, possibly pressure in your inner ear.

Who I wouldn't kill for good ears.

mehlt, Monday, 19 May 2008 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

i have had a few 'ears ringing for a couple of days' experiences that have made me live in fear of contracting tinnitus permanently. i got some earplugs recently - not custom ones but they're a step above the cheapo foam ones and don't totally deaden the high frequencies when at a gig or a club.

haitch, Monday, 19 May 2008 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Is it possible that obsessing over your hearing makes it worse, that is, paying too much attention to whatever hissing or ringing is in your ears already as opposed to tuning it out. Also, does frequent use of earplugs (not just at shows and the like, but on buses and subways) have potentially bad effects?

I've never really considered the psychological effects, but hmmn, it might not be a bad idea.

mehlt, Saturday, 5 July 2008 12:31 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, I've heard of people seeing a doctor about their tinnitus only to be sent off home empty-handed, informed that it's 90% psychological and that they should just try to shut it out.

I don't think there are any issues with using earplugs.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 5 July 2008 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH

*bangs head with fists*

65daysofsugban (Trayce), Thursday, 7 May 2009 06:07 (eleven years ago) link

I've had a low running case for years. Much as I love the Kitchens of Distinction, I have them to blame.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:39 AM

I've also had a low-level ringing for a long time now. There are a few concerts I've been to that did not help, but mostly I blame the fact that I didn't understand how much damage headphones can do, not for a long time. The first time I remember having a really scary spell of tinnitus(*), I was about 16 and had been listening to Jimi Hendrix for about three hours with a huge pair of 70's studio-style headphones. The danger of well-sealed headphones is that there's no outside reference point to the volume, so when something's awesome, you just turn it up louder, then quickly get accustomed to that volume, then turn it up again when something else is awesome. Thank God I hadn't discovered Fun House back then. I'd be stone deaf. Or worse -- stone deaf except for a constant noise inside my head.

I had a nasty spell of it six or seven years ago that lasted for weeks, and since then I'm extremely careful about taking earplugs to shows. I'm also married to my Shure headphones, which let me listen to music at a reasonable volume even in loud places (trains, busy streets), because they totally plug your ears in addition to their usual function.

(*For those who don't have it, it can indeed be scary -- imagine thinking, even knowing, that you will be hearing this same irritating noise inside your head forever and ever, no matter what you do. There's a theory that Van Gogh cut of his ear in an ill-advised attempt to stop his tinnitus. When it persists long enough, the fear subsides -- more like slumps over in exhaustion -- and becomes a sleeping but threatening thing in the corner that colors your moods even when you don't realize it. Bottom line is, it decorates the space inside of your head in a way you cannot control, and that's horrifying.)

bachmann boehner overdrive (kenan), Thursday, 7 May 2009 06:46 (eleven years ago) link

Indeed. As I've said upthread I have had mild tinnitus probably most of my life. I cant recall a time without noise I noticed at least in dead silence (slight whooshing, sometimes high pitched whistles or beeps).

In the last 2 years, I started to notice a constant low frequency thrumming in my skull, it bugged me, as sometimes I can *feel* it, like I'm hearing a truck idling at a distance. But again, it wasn't that noticeable. I'm realising now it was sneaking up on me - when I got a bad headcold last month my ears clagged up as they usually do and I went rather hard of hearing... but when that cleared up, the deafness and noise did not. I can now hear loud sheering ringing in my ears, coupled with the low frequency hum, even over a fair amount of noise.

It makes sharp high frequencies startling and loud, and conversations impossible to follow in noisy crowds (like at the pub). Its invading my sleep. It makes my head feel like its full of pressure.

It really is incredibly bothersome.

Oh and the worst of it is, I'm not a headphone wearer nor much of a loud concert goer. So it isnt volume damage. I dont know what it is, it could be genetic, it could be smoking, could be meds I take. I dont know. I guess I need to find out... somehow.

65daysofsugban (Trayce), Thursday, 7 May 2009 06:51 (eleven years ago) link

I wish you the best of luck. I never heard or read of anyone who knows what exactly tinnitus is.

In the meantime, I just try to arm myself.

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bachmann boehner overdrive (kenan), Thursday, 7 May 2009 07:04 (eleven years ago) link

I buy in bulk.

bachmann boehner overdrive (kenan), Thursday, 7 May 2009 07:06 (eleven years ago) link

I have this. It is a huge bummer.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 7 May 2009 08:24 (eleven years ago) link

Earplugs would do nothin for me, I dont get exposed to much loudness! Also, total fear of anything in my ears merrghrhr.

65daysofsugban (Trayce), Thursday, 7 May 2009 10:01 (eleven years ago) link

I just pretend I'm listening to an ambient album by Merzbow all the time. Makes me feel really cool.

Øystein, Thursday, 7 May 2009 10:24 (eleven years ago) link

i have had to learn to love the ring.
its like having a constant FAX cd on a loop in my head.

mark e, Thursday, 7 May 2009 10:29 (eleven years ago) link

xpost.

mark e, Thursday, 7 May 2009 10:29 (eleven years ago) link

This is one of my biggest fears. I keep a pair of earplugs on me at all times, usually, just in case. I also keep an earplug loosely in my right (slightly worse) ear when I listen to music. It's very frustrating, and I don't get to listen to nearly as much music as I'd like, because if I'm not responsible I'll get pangs of ringing, pain, and bad pressure, like a few days ago, forcing me to go 4 days this weeks without music :(

Edward Saroyan, Thursday, 7 May 2009 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

Also, are there particular frequencies that are worse for your ears? Like are repetitive bass drums going to do more damage than say, mid or high range guitars, for instance?

Edward Saroyan, Thursday, 7 May 2009 13:34 (eleven years ago) link

I imagine there's no limit to the frequencies that can damage your ears, and likewise everyone's head noise is special like a snowflake.

my features are so intense (kenan), Thursday, 7 May 2009 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks Outis & Trayce, and back at you.

Music at bedtime will help. I've become oddly fascinated by 4-hour long youtube vids with New Age tunes and images of immaculately groomed tropical landscapes and gurgling brooks.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 11 March 2016 03:13 (four years ago) link

Yeah as Ive said upthread white noise apps are a boon. I use an iphone one called... White Noise, rather originally, you can mix tracks of water and birdnoises and such, and it doesnt sound too looped or fake.

Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Friday, 11 March 2016 03:57 (four years ago) link

thanks for the tip Trayce, i'll check it out.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Friday, 11 March 2016 19:51 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

had a scare two weeks ago. it lasted only 24 hours and only on my left ear, but the frightening part was it was triggered by going to a pretty tame show (sloan)

i wasn't standing that close to the stage or amp, but i wasn't wearing earplugs. admittedly, i've hardly worn earplugs to shows, only when rehearsing with bands

anyway, i didn't even want to post that it had gone away because i thought it would come back. i basically listen to everything pretty low and have stopped using headphones, as i used to use them almost everyday for a couple hours

yesterday i was on the phone for a couple hours and had my phone on my left ear as usual. that night i woke up in the middle of the night and my *right* ear started ringing for like three seconds, but that's it

all clear, but have been exercising caution

any tips for prevention?

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 21:49 (three years ago) link

in my experience shit just happened with no relation to past treatment of my ears. my left ear just decided I have tinnitus now. But in general if you're trying to minimize hearing damage, wear plugs etc. Tinnitus can occur independent of hearing loss (as it did in my case).

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 21:54 (three years ago) link

that's interesting

thanks for the info

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 22:03 (three years ago) link

Mine is exactly the same and just as loud, maybe louder, than it was three years ago but for whatever reason it hardly ever 'bothers me' anymore. I still have some discomfort listening to digital-era solo piano and choral recordings on headphones, though.

Almost two years later, bass frequencies still physically hurt my ears. Haven't been to a live show in that time and even loud bars trigger a mild hyperacusis for the next day or so. The ringing is still ever present but I rarely notice it anymore. You do get used to it. I sleep with a pink noise app on my phone, which was recommended by an audiologist.

In retrospect, I was fortunate, given that I trashed my right ear when I was 16 but didn't have any notable permanent damage until more than 30 years later. Still, I won't let my kids go to shows without earplugs.

If your ears are ringing for anything less than 20 seconds, its likely just an unrelated physiological reaction. I occasionally get that in both ears, increasingly so as I get older. But nothing to worry about.

doug watson, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 23:12 (three years ago) link

Yeah you do get used to it. It took me a really long time tho.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 23:26 (three years ago) link

This bothering me every night now. Work has been extremely stressful, wondering if the two are related.

clemenza, Thursday, 13 October 2016 00:00 (three years ago) link

If your ears are ringing for anything less than 20 seconds, its likely just an unrelated physiological reaction.

this is actually good news, I have a solid bed of high frequency whine but every once in a while it gets REALLY loud and freaks me out.

so much research still to be done on this, so little is actually understood

the goddamn low frequency flutter in my left ear that was caused by totally excessive volume at a Gary Numan concert is still there, but I only hear it when it's very quiet/at night in bed.

sleeve, Thursday, 13 October 2016 00:05 (three years ago) link

Sleeve is that like the physical-feeling flutter where your timpani sort of does a soft drum roll, or pure sound?

My tinnitus is a plain 13khz whine... My wife's is midrange white noise 'like a vacuum cleaner running in another room'. She won't go to bars at all let alone concerts.

I have the constant high-pitched whine, and the occasional kick-drum flutter, and sometimes one ear will just go out entirely for a minute or two. It's awesome, I tell you.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 13 October 2016 00:51 (three years ago) link

xp Jon it sounds kind of like a street cleaner? a rhythmic sort of whoosh/flutter? that's what I thought it was when I first heard it (with earplugs in, at night)

sleeve, Thursday, 13 October 2016 00:59 (three years ago) link

Does it help to plug your nose and blow out, to "pop" your ears? My ENT specialist suggested doing this several times a day and yeah, I find that it does help with mild hyperacusis.

doug watson, Thursday, 13 October 2016 01:42 (three years ago) link

This reddit post talks more about spontaneous yet brief ringing in your ear.

doug watson, Thursday, 13 October 2016 01:45 (three years ago) link

doug for me it helps to cover my ear tightly with my palm! the muting makes the sudden upsurge of whine/feedback subside.

sleeve, Thursday, 13 October 2016 02:21 (three years ago) link

Yes, I've done the same with the acute tinnitus. But I've also found that it subsides within 30-60 seconds regardless.

doug watson, Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:25 (three years ago) link

My other comment about "popping" your ears was as a suggested response to when there's a fullness feeling in one ear and a slight pain with some frequencies (usually bass frequencies for me.)

doug watson, Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:27 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

from 2013:

the single most incredible thing i've discovered about tinnitus is that noticing it makes it worse.

i had largely forgotten about this, but a couple of weeks ago i was trying to work out whether my tv soundbar was having trouble putting out treble due to age/dust or whether i was just having trouble hearing higher frequencies. in doing so i basically beetlejuiced my tinnitus and now it's back, or rather my awareness of it is back.

i really don't think it's much worse than five years ago (except today my left ear is squealing like a pig for some reason), but i'm fascinated in the fact that noticing it has suddenly brought it back to life.

why do loud noises make my left ear click? etc etc

this is another thing i forgot all about until now, which is suddenly obvious again, and which i've just learnt is called hyperacusis.

other things i've realised in the past few days, now that this is a thing again:

  • in my teens i learned to do those super-loud whistles you do by shoving your fingers in your mouth, and i would try to produce the loudest whistle i could. at least once i came out of it with a ringing that was violently, terrifyingly loud on dozens of frequencies all at once – far, far worse than post-concert ringing. at the time i was too young/too stupid/too uninformed to recognise it as hearing damage.
  • i've had trouble understanding speech in noisy environments since at least the early '90s, which i assume is an indication that the associated high-frequency hearing loss has been there for ages.
  • i've developed tmj on my left side (painful jaw clicking when i chew/talk), which is also the side with hyperacusis and today's squealing. could be coincidence though.

- the thing i've only noticed this year: a sort of throbbing pitchfork-type tone in my right ear

this one was clearly caused by some auditory canal issue (i.e. not loud noises), because it always gets louder two days before i have a cold. it's a functional early warning system that helps me sort out my shit when i'm busy.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:40 (one year ago) link

also i don't talk about my tinnitus ever because i don't want to remind sufferers they have it, and i don't want people who have never noticed it before (e.g. me in 2013) to suddenly realise, panic, go through 40 years of hell &c.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:44 (one year ago) link

Mine is really noticeable at night, I dunno if it's entirely because it's quieter then or if it actually gets worse at night.

I get multiple high pitch tones, have thought about trying to figure out the actual notes and make a drone out of them.

My wife got me earplugs for my birthday but it's probably too late now. I suppose it might not get worse.

The weird thing is I do really well on those hearing tests for high frequencies, I can usually hear the tones only teens/early 20 somethings can hear. So I obviously have some kind of hearing damage but it just manifests as tinnitus and I think some reduction in volume, like sometimes I have trouble hearing really quiet sounds, but the frequency isn't affected.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 10:57 (one year ago) link

it might help to go to an audiologist and see whether you actually do have hearing damage, because if not the cause could be something treatable

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 12:09 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I have tinnitus and hyperacusis (I'm 40) but my hearing is fine. I actually did better on my least hearing test than the one five years before.

also i don't talk about my tinnitus ever because i don't want to remind sufferers they have it

This! It's so difficult to get that balance between taking about it, not talking about it, and - especially - getting advice that doesn't make you feel even *more* self-conscious about it.

I'm having trouble at work right now - we just moved to an open-plan office and it's much, much louder, so I have to work at home most days. Disability rights in the workplace are actually pretty good in the UK, but workplaces always look at disability rights as recommendations - not, you know, THE LAW.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 13:09 (one year ago) link

xp I've been to the GP about it, and they had a look and (TMI time) I had *massive* amounts of ear wax in both ears, which they couldn't get out by syringing and had to book another appointment to have them cleaned out with a suction device, which I had done a few months ago. Made *no* difference at all to the tinnitus though. I guess I'll have to go back.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 14:14 (one year ago) link

today my left ear settled down, weird

Yeah, I have tinnitus and hyperacusis (I'm 40) but my hearing is fine. I actually did better on my least hearing test than the one five years before.

this is super weird since everything i can find about tinnitus indicates associated hearing loss, especially where there's hyperacusis. tinnitus is such a fucking weird thing. recent research points to some people's brains inserting the noise and others' brains just not.

xp I've been to the GP about it, and they had a look and (TMI time) I had *massive* amounts of ear wax in both ears

it's possible the ear wax is inhibiting the sound hairs in some way, but as per above i don't know what i am talking about

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 09:35 (one year ago) link

I was hoping so (re wax) but they removed it all and the tinnitus didn't change

I was given the fear of putting cotton buds in my ears as a kid so I've never tried to clean them out myself, so that was 42 years build up they removed. It was quite impressive, reminded me of that Father Ted episode where they make candles out of Father Jack's ear wax.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 09:41 (one year ago) link

I was hoping so (re wax) but they removed it all and the tinnitus didn't change

oh i misread that you’d had the second syringing done. sucks.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 10:23 (one year ago) link

At what point exactly will I be able to claim that almost 20 years of tinnitus qualifies me for... some level of recognition? Not sure what level exactly, a degree of fucking patience or understanding on the part of my employers for persistent sleep disturbances, deafness, and social anxiety due to not being sure I hear things properly. It affects me and it has a knock-on effect on any of the other various conditions I suffer from. I mean seriously, have you tried to sleep when your ears sound like an old TV tuned to static? Have some fucking respect, for fuck's sake.

fields of salmon, Friday, 19 October 2018 02:00 (one year ago) link

Mine's been very noticeable the last few weeks. One time it almost always surfaces is when I wake up after falling asleep in front of the TV for an hour or two.

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2018 02:20 (one year ago) link

I have what I would consider a minor amount of tinnitus for someone my age (64). It is just one tone, not several, and not very aggressive. I notice it most when I am awake in the quiet hours of the night. I just try to ignore it as best I can, which seems the best option available to me, unless they invent cheap, easily attached, artificial ears that work better than new.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 October 2018 03:16 (one year ago) link

Is there a way to hide threads? I don't want to see this one because it reminds me and then I have it.

StanM, Friday, 19 October 2018 07:23 (one year ago) link

sorry stanm, i don’t think there’s a way to hide individual threads (greasemonkey maybe?)

today i was in a meeting and suddenly recalled a friend (being a dick because kids) firing an aerosol rape whistle in my left ear in the ‘90s. that’s the ear which has the hyperacusis and the louder ringing. on remembering that, i freaked out so much i nearly passed out in the meeting. incredible how a physical trauma can suddenly hit you 25 years later.

but as i mentioned upthread, i had basically forgotten about this for a few years, so i’m guessing it’s been like this for so long that i’d subconsciously normalised it. also, the rape whistle incident might not have had anything to do with this. it’s all guesswork at this point, but more importantly it’s ancient history.

the hyperacusis (or recruitment?) itself is bizarre. most of the time it’s not very perceptible, but if someone is talking loudly it causes me discomfort i can’t really pin down. this has been the case for as long as i can remember, but until this week i had no idea why. it’s most pronounced if i put in earplugs and then speak normally, which makes my left ear sound completely like a blown speaker cone. again, i think this has been going on for decades, i just didn’t think about what it was.

i’ve also had trouble understanding normal speech forever, which i always thought was just me being stupid but is probably this.

so where I’m going with this is that i‘ve only just realised i’ve had hearing loss for a quarter of a century. this is probably one for veg grrrl’s absent-minded thread tbh.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 October 2018 09:37 (one year ago) link

and the only thing that’s really upsetting me right now is that i can’t talk to anyone about this, even ‘er indoors, because i don’t want to remind them of their own hearing issues they might have forgotten about. so i’m sitting here half-watching ‘making a murderer’ and feeling numb as fuck.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 October 2018 09:40 (one year ago) link

CBT was really helpful to me, if it's affordable. I don't know where you live, but if it's London, I know a guy.

There's a book by a guy called David Baguely that's also helpful. Somehow knowing a bit more about the science is reassuring and causes less anxiety.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 October 2018 09:49 (one year ago) link

At what point exactly will I be able to claim that almost 20 years of tinnitus qualifies me for... some level of recognition?

I think about this a lot! People don't realise how strong you have to be to deal with it sometimes, how often you have to resilient and not freak out. I suppose people with most disabilities feel like this.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 October 2018 09:52 (one year ago) link

otm, there’s a maddening element to any long-term ailment which most unafflicted people don’t ever think about, e.g. how people endure untreatable chronic pain for 30+ years is just completely unfathomable to me.

CBT was really helpful to me, if it's affordable. I don't know where you live, but if it's London, I know a guy.

There's a book by a guy called David Baguely that's also helpful. Somehow knowing a bit more about the science is reassuring and causes less anxiety.


thanks for this! i’ll definitely have a look at that book. you’re right about understanding the science – this video made me feel a lot less like a sadcase and more aware that some of us just have the wrong brain (and that it’s potentially treatable in the coming years/decades).

re cbt: for now i’ll just hang on and hope i go back to my years of blissful ignorance (?–2013, 2014–2018), but if not i’ll go back to the incredible psychologist who ended my lifelong severe anxiety in ~3 months. as the damage to my ears happened half my life ago, i can’t very well get worked up about it now.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 October 2018 10:03 (one year ago) link

oh jeez, that david baguely book is aud$150

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 October 2018 10:05 (one year ago) link

oh! that's an old sciencey one - it's this one, more of a self-help book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009CH8X10/

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 October 2018 12:21 (one year ago) link

fantastic, reading the sample now

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 October 2018 12:45 (one year ago) link

Jolly good. If you ever feel desperate and need someone to chat/moan to, do feel free to drop me a webmail!

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 October 2018 14:32 (one year ago) link

cheers! i'd make the same offer but my webmail address is long defunct, but i'll be here anyway if you need support &c.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 19 October 2018 23:32 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Non-stop the past three weeks. Not sure if there's a connection to what's going on--I was thinking that all the silence plays a part.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:36 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Went through a very anxiety-filled week, also a week of almost non-stop tinnitus. I know a couple of things that were causing the anxiety, but I think the tinnitus played a role. I've read that stress/anxiety can be one of the contributing causes of tinnitus; I get the feeling it's like a feedback loop, though, and the tinnitus in turn exacerbates the anxiety. Today, for reasons as mysterious as ever, almost no tinnitus--and it was such a relief, I felt calm the whole day.

clemenza, Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:02 (two weeks ago) link

I got written up at work right around the same time as the pandemic started to kick in and my tinnitus volume level exploded. it's not great! its gotten less extreme lately but I also got laid off from the aforementioned job so I have no daily stress, just long term stress.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 23 July 2020 02:41 (two weeks ago) link

i wish you both well.

i keep meaning to start meditating. i think you're exactly right about the feedback loop, clem.

keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Thursday, 23 July 2020 02:47 (two weeks ago) link

Huh, didn’t know about the anxiety and stress link. Would l-theanine help?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 23 July 2020 03:24 (two weeks ago) link

I got that from the Mayo Clinic site (under "Lifestyle and Home Remedies"):

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/tinnitus/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350162

To help with the anxiety, I bought some Melatonin over the counter a couple of days ago. I guess it's possible that that helped with the anxiety, which in turn helped with the tinnitus...but that seems a little too quick and too easy. I think it's more likely today's break was attributable to the randomness of this crazy thing.

clemenza, Thursday, 23 July 2020 03:37 (two weeks ago) link

Haven't noticed a correlation between noise and heat before but the ringing is fierce today. Coincidence?

koogs, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:03 (one week ago) link

I haven't noticed that, but it's something you'd have to consciously check. I'm on my second quiet day in a row after a few days of non-stop activity.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 August 2020 15:56 (one week ago) link


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