Oprah's Dr. Phil: Classic or Dud?

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Please say Dud, or I'll have to hurt you. :)

Joe, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Doctor Who?

AP, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope, sorry, that's another thread. [/nick]

masonic boom, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i have no idea who dr phil is but i was off sick last week and my flatmate was watching oprah and she had this doctor on there and he was giving advice to people who had problems and shit, but his advice was basically "pull yr socks up, get on yr bike, get a grip, pull yourself together and stop whinging", and i thought wtf??? you study for years to punt out shit like that?

if i wanted that kind of advice for any emotional problems or whatever i might as well go to Norman Tebbit!

the thing is, my flatmate agreed with him. ok, fair enough, but she's training to be a psychologist. what the fuck kind of use is that kind of shit to depressed people?

anyway, if this is yr dr phil, then, dud

gareth, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno... I am on thin ground here, but...

There is way too much bad psychiatry out there. I do not mean to dismiss the fact that there are many people out there suffering from serious, chemical imbalances which require medical treatment.

But let's face it, depression is the common cold of mental illness. Not everybody who is depressed, who is alienated, or disaffected, or "going through a bad patch" needs to be whacked onto anti-depressants. This is fucking counter-productive, and promotes the idea that there is a "miracle pill" that will instantly make life great, and that mental health (unlike physical health, or any other kind of health) is something that *just happens* without any kind of effort or maintainance.

But this issue is very close to home, and I'm not sure I'm able to discuss it without becoming over-sensitive.

And I don't even know if that's who or what Dr. Phil is, as I haven't been able to watch Oprah in years. I don't watch talk shows for bloody self help, thank you- as if the television is going to cure my problems- I watch talk shows to watch white trash make fools of themselves for my entertainment, thank you.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

God, that guy annoys me. It's not even like I watch Oprah, but I always end up seeing those insipid commercials if I'm watching the news, etc. If you have serious problems that could benefit from counseling, Oprah is not the place to get it! My hairdresser always has Oprah on when I'm there, and his advice seems cliched and potentially dangerous. A bald quack.

Nicole, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dud by association. Oprah should stick to acting. People looking for easy answers to deep-seeded psychological traumas should stick to _Frasier_.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Saying depression is the common cold of mental illness is like saying someone should just get over cancer. I understand your greater point and really agree but I just hate the way that was put and I'm being pedantic.

The real problem isn't that real depression is similar to a common cold. The real problem is that too many people get some vague disappointment in their lives and all of a sudden they're depressed. Common sadness or disappointment or mourning or what have you - suddenly they're manic depressive. Manic depression is a serious illness but it's never going to be taken as such when doctors are wont to turn around and diagnose everyone with some form of it for no reason.

This is why I don't dislike Dr. Phil, cos quite a lot of the people who (I must emphasise this) GO ON OPRAH TO GET MENTAL ADVICE are not actually people who would fall into the group who have mental illness. I don't think what he says is "bad psychiatry" cos I've rarely seen an episode where "Stop whining, you cunty housewife with a good life, you aren't manic or bipolar, you are just whiny and need to get a hobby" isn't the proper advice to give out. I mean, granted, I don't watch Oprah every day, rather obviously, but I've got a mother who does and whenever I'm with her, we seem to watch Oprah, and he's on like every other day so I've seen him a lot.

Quack psychiatry would be putting those tossers on Oprah on actual mental drugs. The fact that he tells them that there's nothing wrong with them and they should stop bitching is much better - I can think of loads of people who would've done better with that sort of advice than with being put on drugs (hello, Prozac Nation).

Don't get me started on those same cunty housewives putting their normal average children on Ritalin so they don't have to pay attention to them....argh! The real problem is that you don't NEED to psychologically analyse anyone to prescribe them these drugs. I used to go to the doctor, meaning my regular family practitioner, tell them I needed valium, and they'd write me a prescription for valium. My mom does the same thing with Buspar - indeed she had them give her extra prescription so she could illegally mail it to me. I really truly believe they want everyone drug addicted so that they can just milk your money.

Ally, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i dislike all this self-help type "get a grip" type shit put out by these people because, people have 'smaller' problems that are valid and real too. i'm not saying throw everyone on drugs or anything, but 'minor' problems are valid too. its like "oh my problems not big enough coz its not dramatic enough to sound good".

i think support and stuff is more helpful than this finger-wagging stern get on with it shit. if you think somethings valid, then its valid. the reason this annoys me is because i know someone whos training to do counselling/psychology and she goes for this stern/selfhelp angle and i think it sets unrealistic targets for people, which then makes people depressed because they 'failed' these targets. if i had some kind of problem, went in to see someone and they told me to stop whinging, other people got much worse than you, i'd be pretty disillusioned about the whole thing, and i doubt i'd go again...

gareth, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My anti-depressant story (which is really depressing):

I was going through a tough spell - gal problems, work problems, life problems. Part of me still belives I was being a "cunty housewife" (as Ally so eloquently put it), but there was something going on that just wasn't kosher. Having rec'd counseling before (which OBVIOUSLY didn't work since, hello, I was still upset), I thought going to a psychiatrist would be the answer.

My first session, the doctor is fielding phone calls while "treating" me. He spends half his time trying to check with my insurance company to make sure I'm covered. I'm upset, but I give him the benefit of the doubt - he's overworked, right? Pharmaceutical paraphenalia litters his office - note pads, pens, paper weights, calendars. He asks me a few questions about myself - really basic stuff, the sort of things a concerned acquaintance would ask. He does, this, of course, while STILL CHATTING ON THE PHONE. At the end of our conversation, he suggests that I try Zoloft. I think he "diagnosed" me with hyper-activity / OCD & depression, or something. Me, I'm just willing to try anything - he could've offered me a Krylon paint can, told me to huff the fumes 3 times a day until the sky turns purple, and I would've been OK with it.

For a while, the Happy Pill works. Sure, I don't tell my friends about it (though my gal knows, & notes my improved demeanor, as do my parents). I see the doc every so often, and tell him I'm doing fine. He cups his hand over the speaking end of the phone, smiles, writes out a new prescription every so often. La la la. Then, suddenly, I get worse - more manic, more angered, shorter fuse, louder explosions. I tell the doc about this - he tells me to up the dosage. Woo boy. Eventually, things revert back to the sad-sack way they once were - I'm oversleeping, listless, lethargic, pissed off. It's like puberty all over again.

One day, I decide that I've been using Zoloft as a crutch, a temporary solution to my woes. So I stop taking the pills. For a week or so, I went through the most horrendous withdrawal. (Horrendous for me, that is - a sort of existential heck where nothing makes sense and you search for comfort in anything remotely comforting, like foodstuffs.) Slowly, though, I begin to regain my faculties, and realize what my true problems actually were - my gal & my job. Granted, I'm still in the same job (which is probably why I'm such a pissy little shit), but ever since the gal hit the bricks, I've felt like a new (albeit embittered) person. (Telling me that I was nicer on the pills was a HUGE hint.)

Moral of the story: This might sound like a "suck it up, you pansy" type of tale, but I don't think it is. Going to a doctor for a quick fix (whether it's a stiff-upper-lip chat, or a few pills) is the worst thing you can do. Going to a doctor on TV is unconscionable. If you can find ANYONE to talk to that you trust, it's a start. Doctors, unfortunately, aren't very trustworthy. And TV, unfortunately, is too easy to trust for some folks. Sure, the people on Oprah might not need serious help, but the folks watching at home might.

But, god damn, make sure you know what you're doing before you start taking any sort of behavioral mod drugs. Thinking of the after affects of all these kiddies dumbed up by Ritalin scares me.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Obviously minor problems are still valid. They do not, however, require years of therapy, tons of anti-depressant drugs, and loads of psycho-babble. It's not a question of "snap out of it", it's a question of giving people who, I'm sorry to put it this way but, are whinging bintfaces something else to do. "Alright, well, you're bored and it upsets you, go get a bloody hobby then". Stop turning everything into a life saga.

People OVERvalidate their minor problems in this day and age and quite frankly I have no patience for it.

Ally, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The real problem isn't that real depression is similar to a common cold. The real problem is that too many people get some vague disappointment in their lives and all of a sudden they're depressed.

I knew that what I was saying was going to be misinterpreted, and I knew this was exactly what someone was going to say to counter, when the point of fact is, this is exactly what I was trying to say in my post.

I will spare you the gory details of my many encounters with the Mental Profession.

There are many different degrees of depression, as even the Mental Profession will admit, and the "common or garden" depression bears as much resemblance to severe clinical depression as the common cold bears to pneumonia. My problem with the Mental Profession is that they treat common cold depressions as if they *were* pneumonia.

Although chemicals may help people with deep neurological conditions or severe imbalances, NO PILL is going to help someone suffering from alienation, boredom, stress, mourning or any of the other things that they now give out prescriptions like candy for. And in many cases- mourning or grieving, adolescence, relationship breakups- depression is a completely NATURAL phenomenon which is part of the healing process. Prescribing drugs in those circumstances can actually HURT the person, because it masks the symptoms without ever letting them work through the underlying emotions.

There are some very fundamental things that are important for mental health, which most Drs don't even look at.

Some physical- *sleeping properly and in a regular pattern*, (lack of sleep and exhaustion invariably causes depression) *eating properly* (especially making sure that you get your trace elements- calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. have done FAR more wonders for keeping my nerves in shape than lithium ever did), *physical exercise* (physical exertion *naturally* releases serotonin, the wonder happy brain chemical).

And some emotional- *keeping a support system of family and friends*, *staying integrated in a community*, *keeping hobbies or outside interests to give life a sense of enjoyment and purpose*.

I know that these things are often incredibly difficult for depressed people to manage- I've *been* there. When you are in the midst of it, the last thing you want to do is go run a few miles, or talk to your friends. But staying mentally healthy is as much hard work as staying physically fit. It's NOT something that's going to happen with a pill.

"Snap out of it!" is not helpful advice to anyone. However, "act as if you are not depressed, attempt to re-intergrate yourself into life, and re-integrate yourself into a community, remember the things you used to do when you were not depressed, and you will find that even though you may *start* by just going through the motions, you may soon find yourself properly re-integrating" *is* very much valid advice and far more useful than fucking drugs.

Anyway, sorry, this is a very emotional topic for me, I hope that you can read through my bitterness to what I am actually trying to say.

masonic boom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate - based on my experiences, I pretty much agree. Stay off the pills if at all possible: there is no substitute for human contact, even if counsellors and 'therapists' basically only work as a kind of emotional prostitution.

Tom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Emotional prostitution" *is* useful. If you look at our fractured society, it is a service that has always been offered by priests, by agony aunts, by older members of the extended family, etc.

The problem is that people who are "raised by shrinks" tend to view the rest of the world as their shrinks, and try to share that level of emotional intimacy with *everyone* with disasterous results. Especially among Americans, and especially among a certain breed or neurotic New Yorkers.

Especially with adolesceents- talk therapy is actually far more useful with adolescents than with any other group. This is why it REALLY pisses me off when I see teenagers being put on anti-depressants. This is *robbing* them of the formative experiences that will make them functional humans.

masonic boom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Misunderstanding here, I think. Priests/friends/family members = not "emotional prostitution" because you're not paying for it. When I had counselling - to see what it was like, mostly - it felt to me like I was paying £20 a pop for someone to pretend to be my friend and listen for a bit. Hence e.p.

Tom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, what I'm saying is that the role of person whose job it is to be turned to for comfort and advice has always societally been there. (Besides, who says priests aren't paid? They bloody well are, and handsomely in some religions/areas) Our society is so fractured that we pay for services which have traditionally been free and/or community-provided.

masonic boom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate, we basically said the same thing, which is that doctors are far too willing to overmedicate people who should just get support and a bloody hobby and they'd be fine. They want to put every person who enters their office on pills, a lot of times pills that are EXTREMELY inappropriate for the condition.

I have/had some severe mental disorders (ooh, surprise, sit down, etc), some of which are experiential (is that a word), some of which are genetic*. I've been forced into therapy by my parents, which has led me to really despise therapists in all forms. It's not that the woman wasn't nice enough or did something horrible. It's that she just really didn't listen and kept trying to put me on Paxil. Paxil is a drug that treats anxiety disorder. I may have a lot of things wrong with me, but I don't have a panic disorder. It gets into very tricky territory, but when put in an upsetting situation, I can get very tense and overreactive BUT that is not the same thing as panic attacks and she very well knew this. However, Paxil was a pretty new, heavily pushed drug at the time (as it seems to be again - look at the adverts! Ooh!), and she insisted on putting me on it. All it did was make me irritated that I had to take it - that's it. I didn't have the problem that drug was meant to treat, but because of industry kickbacks, I was being placed on it.

The reasoning was, that even though I had been in therapy for about 3 months and had talked about loads and loads of things besides this, when she said she had to talk to my mom to put me on medication, I rushed out the story I hadn't told her, which involved a recent (at the time) sexual assault. Immediately I went from being borderline personality/bipolar (she couldn't quite figure out how severe I was, borderline being more severe than bipolar) to having post-traumatic stress syndrome. I was like, yes, but what about EVERY OTHER THING I SAID TO YOU? All the bullshit that happened before the VERY recent thing? Arrgh.

I really hate therapists, I do believe they are prostitutes, both of the emotional kind and the real kind with their bloody kickbacks, and I hate the idea of ever going to one. It gets me angry and I can't really quite think straight about it. I have an aunt who has been in "therapy" for 16 years! Hello, shouldn't you be cured by now?? My cousin was in therapy and it did nothing because they just tried to put him on Ritalin, and he ended up attempting suicide and now lives in hospital. I have had nothing but bad experiences, via myself and friends, with therapy and I find that, again in my experience and this could be EXTREMELY SKEWED, that the only people who actualy seem to get *anything* out of therapy are people who aren't really bad off to begin with - those common cold depressions you were speaking of, kate.

Argh, end of way too much information rant.

Ally, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

* Oh, dude hey, why not close out that footnote, right? You can make a case that none of them are purely "experiential" and all of them are genetic, being that your genetic make up could make you predisposed to your experiences making you extremely fucked up.

Ally, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Just googled my way in here----i agree with much of your thoughts on Dr. Phil....I could tolerate his shows with Oprah but now he's doing intensive workshops----i feel it's dangerous to open people up without an established trusting relationship.....look deeply into most healers and the honest ones will tell you that while helping you their real motivation is personal-----Dr.Phil's arrogance in this respect bothers me-----would love to see an SNL bit with him giving it to himself.........JJ

jayjones, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Dr. Phil just likes being a television personality. Oprah is just as smug and arrogant as he is. Personally, I think she is smitten with him. Dr. Phil this, and Dr. Phil that, it's just ridiculous.

It's obvious Dr. Phil doesn't even like people, it is just a forum to make himself known, to sell his books, and get his own show.

Anne, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr Phil has had some classic moments though

Dr Phil on hearing his wife is pregnant.

"And I said, that's it I'm getting a vasectomy"

Dr Phil talks about reversing his vasectomy.

"They said it might take a year to impregnate my wife successfully, but I had her pregnant in 6 weeks". He talks about it like he was hunting fuckin rabbits or something. You could just imagine him in the bar with his friends screaming "I KNOW!!! AND I HAD THE BITCH KNOCKED UP IN 6 WEEKS!!!!" and them all going apeshit.

Ronan, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
LET ME VENT SOME OF MY FRUSTRATIONS WITH THIS FUCKING DR PHIL AND OPRAH

I'M WORKING, BUSTING MY ASS TO MAKE A LIVING THAT NO ONE HAS EVER GIVEN ME A DIME I HAVEN'T EARNED ( I'M A WHITE MALE BUSINESS OWNER) AND I GO HOME AFTER A HARD DAY AND IMMEDIATLEY HIT WITH WHAT OPRAH AND DR PHIL HAVE SAID

I DONT GIVE A DAMN WHAT SHE HAS BEEN MULLING OVER ALL DAY SINCE SHE HEARD IT ON OPRAH.

WHY DON'T THE TALK RADIO CHANNELS GIVE US A PREVIEW OF WHAT DR PHIL SAID SO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF SHIT WE ARE GOING TO GET WHEN WE HIT THE DOOR????

IF I KNEW WHAT THE TOPIC WAS....I COULD TURN THE PICKUP AROUND AND HEAD FOR THE NEAREST BAR.

THANKS

WAYNE SIEGERT, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly, you need to bring this to the attention of your local radio stations.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Warning! Wayne Siegert (W.S.I.E- Wife-Slappingly-Intolerant- Electrobot) model 273425 in danger of overheating! Immediate technical assistance required!

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

happier times

fritz, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Dr. Phil's wife has him well trained. I think Opera has anyone on her show that has a book to sell. I don't watch her show anymore. To top it off, I didn't care for her movie BELOVED either. It was a DUD! As far as Dr. Phil goes, all he does is talk comon sense. If people can't figure that out Oh well...

Gale, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Dr Phil my God what a complete NOB. It is a sad state of affairs when millions of people listen to the dribble of complete and absolute common sense. What really gripes me is that he makes a living from the shit that dribbles from him. Ive got some advice for Dr Phil SHUT THE F*CK UP YOU BALD HEADED PRETENTIOUS GIT. He is deffinately a DUD

michael hayes, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The problem with doing anything like psychotherapy (or whatever you want to call it in "DR" Phil's case) on TV, is that it's done on TV. Social Psychology dictates that a person's behavior is at least partially dependent upon whether or not he's being watched. Some people seek to impress others when they know they're being evaluated, others just get too distracted to act naturally in such situations. Dr Phil's consultees are getting shafted by bad outcomes thanks to their international TV exposure. A trusting relationship with the therapist I think is the A#1 thing for a good outcome. How can you trust somebody who sits you in a chair, shouts at you in front of millions and millions of people, and then orders you to repent like what you've done is a sin? Of course you're going to act like you're a changed person, if you want to live with yourself. Anybody would do the same under those conditions, when millions of evaluating viewers expect you to do it. But I don't think any real transformation can happen like this. Dr Phil's therapy is a fucking sham. Besides the fact that the episode is only an hour long which doesn't really lend much time to any sort of authentic turnaround for the patient. So you take this verbal abuse from "DR" Phil, start bawling and answer "yes" to all his questions, wam bam thank you ma'am. It's like clockwork on TV--happens the same way every time. Screw Phil McGraw and whoever thinks his methods are acceptable practice.

B Gates, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Dr Phil is a bohemian goon and he makes his living off the poor little emo kids out there who need his whiney hiney help. someone needs to assassinate him before he infects us all with his narrowminded conservativeness.

Kati Lee, Friday, 10 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"Dr. Phil says a friend is not someone who asks you to stick his penis in your mouth"

Dr. Phil is silly. Some of my closest friends have asked me to stick their penis in my mouth..

hell, if I had a penis, I'd ask all my friends if I could put it in their mouths!

Janice, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Now he has his own tv show, and is Oprah's bee-yotch no longer...predictions?

Joe (Joe), Friday, 30 August 2002 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

this guy is either a knob or a tool. well maybe both

ron (ron), Saturday, 31 August 2002 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Has it ever occurred to any of these women who watch oprah that maybe DR. PHIL IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR PROBLEMS BY TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR AND THEN SUCKERING THEM INTO BUYING HIS BOOKS AND OTHER CRAP!!!! He's just looking to make money like the rest of the working population. He has clients, unhappy women, and his product, mostly lies and crap to keep them coming back to him, and what do you know? He has his own television show, a bunch of books, and alot of money.

Smith, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a freind who shows it to his pysch class, and as an assignment asks them to pick out the errors according to a variety of systems.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Anthony,

Now, if they put all those errors in a book, I'd BUY that book before any other self-help book.

Great!

Micky Cronje, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I just finished reading Dr. Phil's Self matters. If I had read the end of the book on tapes and scripts first I would have burned it!! I have been in and out of clinics since 1979 and after years of trying to hold a job, went on disability. I felt so bad before I read the book and now I feel worse than ever!! and to make matters worse he says people like me are societies parasites and that it's a big payoff. Believe me I would like to be "out there". The SOB has had it nice!!! He has not walked in my or other's mocassins so who the hell is he to judge???? Have your opinions too. He could not even begin to imagine what my life has been like since the day I was born!!!! I found this site so I could vent. I felt like he tore me up so bad I wanted to die!!!! There really ARE people who live on the edge EVERY DAY!!!

Carol, Friday, 8 November 2002 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I must admit I didn't read any post on this thread in it's entirety. But if Dr. Phil either just got his own show, or is just available in my area, so I've just seen him. And he's the f*cking pits. His on-camera persona is so blech I can't take it. And I'm sorry I know this is intolerant as hell but any "Doctor" who comes on with that southern accent sounds like a clown. Sue me.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 8 November 2002 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

HA! hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

im just glad to finally discover that im not the only one.
i thought i may have been missing the point somehow because all i could see was some guy yelling commonsense at whinging idiots.
i am always deeply suspicious of anyone who practices 'psychology for the masses' on TEE VEE !!

donna (donna), Friday, 8 November 2002 04:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i would sacrifice my drunken incestous family on national tv if it meant for just 2 seconds I could hold a droplet of Dr Phil's pearly cum on my tongue.

Queen G (Queeng), Friday, 8 November 2002 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i would sacrifice my drunken incestous family on national tv if it meant for just 2 seconds I could hold a droplet of Dr Phil's pearly cum on my tongue.

Actually, I think this was a theme for a Maury Povich episode this week...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 9 November 2002 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
i think someone should drop dr phil to the ground, and kick him in the stomach and ribs until he goes limp and starts twitching, then he should be nursed back to health and his legs should be put into a trash compactor, then both legs should be tourniquted so he doesnt die, then people with electric drills should dance around him and start drilling his elbows, fingers, his trash compacted legs, his face, arms, chest, everything, then he should be forced to watch his mother get a big gang bang bukkakke, then when he begs for it to stop, shove a hot coal in each of his eye sockets, then put his balls and penis into a vice and they should be fully flattened, then the flattened balls and penis should be fried up on a hot grill while still attached, then chopped off and fed to him, then his teeth should be knocked out with a ball peen hammer,and his ears should get put in a vice and fed to him as well, then he should be suspended by one arm above a swinging helicopter, being lowered slowly, inch by inch, slowly chopping off every inch until he is very close to death, then he should be dropped into a vat of slow burning sulferic acid, then when hes like reallllly fucking close to death, and his skins burning, he should be catapulted into a giant wall, hopefully not quite enough to kill him, then he should lie in agony until he is about 10 seconds from dying, where he will be hoisted apon an table or something and hae dynomite strapped to his chest, and the dynamite should go off at the exact point that he is shot in the face with a double barrel shotgun, exploding his entire body, all this while his entire family is forced to watch

wang, Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

The problem with the arguments against receiving any professional psychiatric help, such as the kind Dr. Phil gives, over the television medium simply because tv isn't "real" are hypocritical trying to argue about it in the very real vastness of the internet. Maria Perez i ain't.

Some of y'all have taken the two 1)stop whining and 2)get a hobby ideas and combined them into a full-time hobby of whining on the internet and you think you're intellectuals now. Capable of discerning whether or not Dr. Phil has value for everyone else even though you couldn't tell if your own doctor who was ignoring you and if that might be a problem when he is prescribing you drugs - oh yeah i trust your judgement. And taking illegal buspar on the side sent to you in the mail by your mother? way to go ! anti-establishment runs in your blood i guess you have all the answers you need.

This site gave me a lot of laughs. Seriously though there is nothing wrong with paying for legitimate services, that's what money is for, to serve you. Not the other way around. Those afraid of somehow "prostituting" their mental health to legitimate professionals made me laugh the hardest. I expect they don't trust their cars to qualified mechanics either, only to guys that say they will do it for free. Maybe they beg for money. Probably don't give to the collection plate at church. And so on. Well I have a nickel's worth of free advice for you my "friends" - and i mean that word in the strictest of jest - just because something doesn't help or inspire you doesn't mean it won't help or be meaningful to someone else ! In fact, your uninspiring words didn't help me a damned bit ! I felt much less manic depressive after watching Dr. Phil today than i do now worrying about what i just read here right now ! I can't decide if i'm happy from laughing so hard or if i want to cry because so much of what you wrote is really so sad.

Maria Perez, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I've learned from experience that you cannot hand over your mental or physical health to someone on a long term basis sight-unseen. There are bad therapists out there, there are bad doctors out there, there are therapists whose approach is something you will not trust or will find disagreeable.

If someone is coping with having grown up abused, Dr. Phil is not the person to get help from. Going to a drive-through mental health facility is also not a good idea because HMO's are interested in minimizing the number of visits you make. They're more likely to push antidepressants or whatever other medications they come up with regardless of what your actual situation may be. You have a right to interview a therapist before agreeing to work with him or her on a long term basis. If you are going to trust someone with your thoughts and feelings, you need to feel right about working with them over the long haul.

I grew up horribly abused and I needed long term therapy with a therapist who was appropriate for my particular circumstances. Instead, I was referred to bad, crappy, lousy, WRONG therapists and it did more harm than good. Eventually, I shopped for a therapist. I told my summed-up story over and over again, I jotted down referral names and numbers, I made phone call after phone call, I interviewed and dismissed a couple therapists after talking with them, asking questions about their treatment approaches and getting a feel for their opinions on issues that were important to me. I finally found a therapist I could afford and who was right for me; I worked with her for a number of years until, eventually, I reached a point where I didn't feel a pressing need for therapy. I kept up sessions out of habit for a while but realized I was searching for things to talk about. My therapist simply said, "That's the goal of therapy, to get to where you don't need it."

A good therapist is like a coach. They don't do the work for you but they'll help you along, encourage you at times, and point out things to pay attention to. A barking drill sargeant like Dr. Phil would be among the worst kinds of therapists you could give to someone dealing with childhood abuse. I shudder to imagine the likes of him working in a rape crisis clinic.

Dr. Phil has an approach that strikes me as insensitive to individuality and simplistic. His father's colorful axioms do not apply to everyone and everything.

As for Oprah, I stopped watching her around the time she was making "Beloved" and got all preachy-spiritual. It rubs me the wrong way how she preaches and moralizes to people who, en masse, unquestioningly chant "Ohhh-prah! Ohhh-prah! Ohhh-prah!" I don't want Oprah-the-billionaire telling me I have to give money to her Angel network while she flaunts the fact of her millions and I don't want her as my spiritual advisor. I'm tired of her referencing "my mentor, Maya Angelou" before she launches into a preachy-sermon moment. I have nothing against her success, I just feel she's let it get to her head and she's milking people for money in the guise of helping or spirituality. Gloria Steinem and "Ms." magazine is one thing, "O" is something else (Oprah's on the cover all the time, what IS that about?).

I checked out her show again several weeks ago, it nauseated me and I turned it off. I used to watch her show often but now I can't stomach her holier-than-thou approach. For some reason, Oprah's show and magazine reminds me of Pat Robertson's "700 Club" and Doctor Phil is kind of like the Jerry Falwell of psychiatry. I watched a couple episodes of Dr. Phil's show, my stomach churned, and I paid attention to the physical cue. I imagine him as something like a snake oil salesman from days gone by.

If I were interviewing therapists today like I did several years ago, I would scratch Dr. Phil off my list and say "NEXT!" He's not someone I would entrust with the care of my mind, body or soul.

Danny Jones, Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU???????

tremendoid, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

what a show today i tell you i'm still soaking wet

tremendoid, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/drphil_cp_5484608.jpg

Using any excuse to show the world the Dr. Feel w/the image hosting help of cbc.ca

Abbott, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

but you GOTTA brag on yourself!

kingfish, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

Dr. Phil Fights Xbox Live Racism! Keep up the good fight, doctor!

I am kind of addicted to this show.

Abbott, Friday, 11 January 2008 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

Dr Phil just said "internets"

sunny successor, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

Dude is classic.

Abbott, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

please be kidding!

he's like a big holier than thou marshmellow!

Surmounter, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

Classically entertaining television. Not nec. good for advices.

Abbott, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

omg i can't even stand his face... he thinks he's like mr. together. IF HE'S SO TOGETHER WHY IS HE SO UGLY?

Surmounter, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

^^real talk

gr8080, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

He's like a successful version of my dad.

Abbott, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 21:53 (eleven years ago) link

He's like an asshole version of my dad. Not to say that my dad has made the same amount of money as Dr. Phil - he hasn't, I'm sure - but I think that the largest distinguishing characterisitic b/t Dr. Phil and Dr. Bob (my dad) is that Dr. Bob is not, by default, an asshole.

B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 14 May 2008 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

the way the show insists upon showing him aggressively expressing his loyalty to his wife at the end of each show kind of creeps me out, to be honest, among other things regarding his personal presentation. but, his son seems kind of alright, so, i dunno...

dell, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i always feel bad that she has to sit through every taping. its like dating someone in a band and having to go to all of their shows. torture.

sunny successor, Thursday, 15 May 2008 01:42 (eleven years ago) link

I'm astonished/amused she goes along with it. The other day he had her talk about how she gained 50 lbs. when she was pregnant!

Abbott, Thursday, 15 May 2008 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

"But then you worked out and lost it, right honey?"
"That's right, I exercised it all off as fast as I could."

!!!

Abbott, Thursday, 15 May 2008 01:54 (eleven years ago) link

Oh and this was the Mother's Day episode.

Abbott, Thursday, 15 May 2008 01:56 (eleven years ago) link

I am with Surmounter on this one. I hate Dr. Phil and his ass face.

ENBB, Thursday, 15 May 2008 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

good god.

yeah, fuck that guy.

i don't like to impugn people over the internet s, but he is already likely a millionaire, so i don't feel guilty. plus he was supposedly involved with some dubious LGAT group stuff, so...

dell, Thursday, 15 May 2008 02:25 (eleven years ago) link

LGAT?

Abbott, Thursday, 15 May 2008 02:26 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha

Surmounter, Thursday, 15 May 2008 02:27 (eleven years ago) link

it's some geography grad exam

Surmounter, Thursday, 15 May 2008 02:28 (eleven years ago) link

"large group awareness training"

see: Landmark Foundation, Lifespring, est, etc...

dell, Thursday, 15 May 2008 04:46 (eleven years ago) link

Dude: makes total sense that would be his scene, the fuckah!

Abbott, Thursday, 15 May 2008 04:49 (eleven years ago) link

The pregnancy thing, wau.

Yes, fuck that guy, someone, please... and then drag him out onstage to talk about how gracefully he managed to lose weight post-partum.

dell, Thursday, 15 May 2008 05:29 (eleven years ago) link

please be kidding!

he's like a big holier than thou marshmellow!

-- Surmounter, Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

He's like a big Mallo Cup, but stuffed with excrement from an elephant who's overdosed on "Circus Peanut" candies, instead of "Mallo".

dell, Thursday, 15 May 2008 05:33 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Hey now!

the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:48 (ten years ago) link

(btw I don't like him but that suit sounds like bullshit)

the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:49 (ten years ago) link

Ask him all about it on IrE!

Ask Dr. Phil

StanM, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:50 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

Well then.

In 2007, Dieu, Crystal Matchett, and four others spent a week living in "The Dr. Phil House," a sound-stage residence wired to the hilt with cameras and microphones.

The unstable patients' shenanigans were aired as a weekly segment on Dr. Phil, the syndicated daytime talk show hosted by Phil McGraw and aired locally on KCBS/Channel 2.

The goal of the segments, according to court papers filed by the defense, "was to focus each of the participants on their ability to tolerate unique individuals and situations, and to resist their own judgmental character."

Dieu, a self-professed man-hater who says, "(men) don't think with their brains; they think only from the waist down," was confronted by a nudist who showed up to dinner bearing his frank and beans.

Dieu and Matchett locked themselves in the bathroom, "horrified and crying," according to Matchett's sworn declaration, while a crew member stood on the other side shouting, "Come out, Shirley, and see the naked man."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 03:12 (ten years ago) link

;-)

Dr. Phil, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 03:33 (ten years ago) link

PHIL!!!!!!!!!!

harbl, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 03:36 (ten years ago) link

MINNEAPOLIS — A 22-year-old Minnesota man is suing producers of a "Dr. Phil" television spinoff, saying he was tricked into discussing blemishes on his penis.

Tyler Bowling of Lakeville also accuses the CBS-distributed show "The Doctors" of airing a rerun of the segment despite his protests. Bowling tells the Star Tribune he felt violated.

Bowling says he agreed to do the show in Hollywood in exchange for free laser surgery to remove pearly penile papules. The whitish bumps are non-contagious and harmless.

Bowling says he was told the show would only be seen by medical students. When he learned that wasn't the case, he says he was cajoled into doing it.

Bowling also says the procedure didn't work.

Representatives for the television show and the doctor had no comment Tuesday.

lmfao @ credulity (velko), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 03:42 (ten years ago) link

http://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/drphil1.jpg

Dr. Phil, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 03:46 (ten years ago) link

http://www.nomorepapules.com/

lmfao @ credulity (velko), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 03:46 (ten years ago) link

pearly penile papules

Truly...something.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:23 (ten years ago) link

I just learned about those last night!

http://persimusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/police_synchronicity.jpg

How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:38 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Judge: Dr. Phil 'a terrible, terrible man.'

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:37 (ten years ago) link

http://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/drphil1.jpg

velko, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:09 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

BIG KNIFE! SMALL WIFE! pic.twitter.com/W9evOykj5H

— Dr. Phil (@DrPhil) March 26, 2020

j., Thursday, 26 March 2020 02:12 (two weeks ago) link

so weird you'd bump this thread because just this very morning I was wondering to myself who'd get the Roni first, Dr. Phil or Billie Eilish? my money's on Dr. Phil

the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 26 March 2020 02:27 (two weeks ago) link


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