NPR - stuffy or sexy?

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I'm not accusing NPR of responsibility. I'm saying WNYC has a choice of what to program, and, having lost its city charter, the foundation that runs it has jettisoned classical music programming in the interest of increasing listener contributions (and, probably, the audience). It hasn't eliminated such programming entirely, and the stuff it's added isn't terrible, but I don't think it performs the public service it used to.

Um, so then you're arguing that NPR should be for people who don't have a classical library? I don't follow.

no, because it played stuff that went beyond the limits of most libraries. the same analogy doesn't apply to WNYC talk shows vs. the New York Times.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the NYT doesn't play Medeski Martin and Wood in its bumpers, though

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

it doesn't perform the public service it used to by servicing more of the public - typical.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really find listening to radio interviews/call-ins to be anything like reading a newspaper. The format just entirely changes the experience, and even the content.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

YES OMG I AM SUCH AN ELITIST OMG HOW COULD I FAIL TO EQUATE MASS MEDIA WITH SERVING THE PUBLIC

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the NYT doesn't play Medeski Martin and Wood in its bumpers, though

-- gabbneb (gabbne...), May 6th, 2005.

But it probably would if it had bumpers. That doesn't strike me as a very significant criticism though.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

YES OMG I AM SUCH AN ELITIST OMG HOW COULD I FAIL TO EQUATE MASS MEDIA WITH SERVING THE PUBLIC

-- gabbneb (gabbne...), May 6th, 2005.

But that's just it, NPR fills a niche that the rest of radio does not. And in many situations (driving, working, etc.) radio is the only media you can take in.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 6 May 2005 03:55 (eighteen years ago) link

this isn't a question of NPR vs. non-NPR. it's a question of the programming choices for the FM station of an NPR affiliate in a city in which three other stations (plus WNYC-AM) carry at least select NPR programming

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 May 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

WNYC could easily run its entire daytime lineup on the AM station (as it pretty much used to do, I think) and keep classical music on FM. it's a question of priorities.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 May 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I could live with that, though it is nice to hear the crystal-clear speaking voices on FM.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 6 May 2005 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
OK I'm starting to think Terry Gross kind of sucks.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you hear the one today where at great length she rephrased the same question twice about evangelicals wanting to usher in armageddon?

Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 19 January 2007 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I only caught the end of it, which segued from her not questioning the idea that Israel should be able to do whatever the fuck it wants into "Hey you speak Hebrew - waht's Borat really saying in that movie?"

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I caught the one today. There were multiple questions about Borat, at the end. I guess she just ran out of good questions.

I definitely remember the repeated question about Evangelicals not really wanting to prevent armageddon from happening. I can't really comment too much on it, because I don't remember exactly what was said, but I do remember feeling that the interviewee was sort of avoiding the question a little bit.

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

It was pretty embarassingly dumb though "HAY YOU SPEAK HEBREW - WOTS THIS SAY?" - couldn't she have just asked Baron Cohen himself in the stupid interview she did with him?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Where I grew up, the local NPR affiliate had the most intelligent radio programming by a long shot. It's nice to listen to a radio show and hear calm voices talking about important issues instead of some right-wing nut bloviating about how disagreeing with the President is treason.

Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Where/when did you grow up?

ewe never broke yr treo 4ever (ex machina), Friday, 19 January 2007 06:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Terry Gross, a lot, but I'll never forget her trying to take down Ice-T over "Cop Killer" during the 1992 riots. His response was very close to "Lady, nobody's listening to my record right now."

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Friday, 19 January 2007 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Not the point, but anyone listen to All Songs Considered, online broadcasting shows from 9:30 Club in D.C.? Some good 'uns there but the presenter drives me up the wall.

uptoeleven (uptoeleven), Friday, 19 January 2007 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Where/when did you grow up?

In the 90s in Southwest Ohio.

Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I normally like Terry Gross ok. I think her downfall is when she either likes or dislikes someone too much - she becomes nervous and either sycophantish or flustered.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

terry gross is fucking awful. miserably imperceptive, shallow, repetitive, selfish interviewer. seems to not know anything about anything.

geoff (gcannon), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think she's got a clear idea of what she wants to ask, and her questions are usually the ones I would ask myself, but bogs down in how to phrase the question just so, so it sounds like she's stumbling or dense. She can be hard to listen to if she doesn't have a guest who's voluble and expansive, but her show can be a treat if she's got someone who likes to talk.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. I listen to her show almost everyday, and there are certainly bad shows where I turn it off, but with a guest that fits, it can be the best hour on NPR.

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, but best npr thread ever:


Mmm yes hello I am Garrison Keillor.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

terry gross is fucking awful. miserably imperceptive, shallow, repetitive, selfish interviewer. seems to not know anything about anything.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU PEOPLE.

Charlie Brown (kenan), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

She's hit or miss. Her interview of Chris Rock was abhorrent in a condescending white lady way, but I've heard her do decent ones.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

the NYT doesn't play Medeski Martin and Wood in its bumpers, though
-- gabbneb (gabbne...), May 6th, 2005 4:52 AM.

that was pretty funny

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Edward's right. She definitely has her limitations but she's occasionally quite good. When she's bad, I can't even listen to her, though.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, and i stand by my love for american routes and nancy wilson's jazz show. both great. nancy wilson's voice = very sexy npr.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone else listen to Radio Open Source? This show is often wonderful Christopher Lydon is a gem.

holojames (holojames), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

She definitely has her limitations but she's occasionally quite good.

But is she sexy?

Charlie Brown (kenan), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Answer: If you like older lesbians.

Charlie Brown (kenan), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"Does anyone else listen to Radio Open Source?"

i do all the time. great show. except i call it Open Sores, cuz that's how Lydon pronounces it.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll give a shout out to "To the Point" from KCRW. Warren Olney is my man. I'm warming up to Radio Open Source, but I find the topics hit or miss and don't really see how the blog element of the show is relevant. Seems kind of contrived to me.

tobo (tobo), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I listen to NPR every morning and hate almost all the female hosts. I want to shoot Diane Reim and put her out of her croaking taking-fucking-forever-to-spit-the-question-out misery.
And the news-wimmin! Meeechelle Norris! ACK!!!!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to go for a brisk walk now. I think I've made a death threat on every thread.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I admire Diane Rehm, a lot.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

spasmodic dysphonia is no joking matter.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes i tire of DR's voice, which isn't fair. but she gets great guests, esp on inside-the-beltway topics. DC media bigwigs seem to love her.

tobo (tobo), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i dig her. i don't dig her conservative pals like tony though.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

today I listened to some music show with derogatis that runs in the slot that used to belong to Whaddya Know; switched it off around the time that Tokyo Police Club was brought up (during a discussion of "buried treasures", no less)

Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Saturday, 20 January 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I blame this thread for 9/11.

Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 20 January 2007 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

is there anything worse than when the freelance contributors read their 'slice of life' pieces themselves? Complete with cutesy, smarmy inflections underscoringcutting the universality of their parochial/upper-yuppie twit concerns. think Sandra Tsing Loh if you must.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Sunday, 21 January 2007 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

left, right & center is an abomination

timmy tannin (pompous), Sunday, 21 January 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

is there anything worse than when the freelance contributors read their 'slice of life' pieces themselves?

No.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 21 January 2007 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, what's the beef with Michelle Norris?

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Sunday, 21 January 2007 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I wake up to her voice nearly every morning. She's background. She reads the news. Yeah, what's the big deal?

Charlie Brown (kenan), Sunday, 21 January 2007 07:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Where I grew up, the local NPR affiliate had the most intelligent radio programming by a long shot. It's nice to listen to a radio show and hear calm voices talking about important issues instead of some right-wing nut bloviating about how disagreeing with the President is treason.

2 motherfucking times

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Sunday, 21 January 2007 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

"is there anything worse than when the freelance contributors read their 'slice of life' pieces themselves?"

"No."


see this is rilly mean, but i can't stand the cutesy local color old-tymer snippets they play here of salty cape cod folks remembering their favorite fish chowder recipes. they all have that dry as sand yankee voice and they drive me mad for some reason. the guy who runs our local station is the dude who did that THIS I BELIEVE essay series and he's really into oral. his catch-phrase is LISTEN and then he will play audio of seagulls fighting over a clam neck or something. in theory i should be all for this yokelism but it just makes me grit my teeth. same with the soothing tones of the cape cod naturalist who reads his essays about frolicing in the bramble bushes in purple poesy. i'm so jaded and mean...


scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 January 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

the Bay Area AM dial has been pretty gutted.. KGO is essentially gone and turned into a sports-betting station called "The Spread" where they just play sports podcasts

I don't listen to as much AM as I once did.. there's an interesting conspiracy theory about new car makers completely dropping AM radios, which is where all the conservatives get their yelling-at-clouds stations, because they don't want us to hear the truth or something like that

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:43 (three weeks ago) link

but the slow demise of noisy commercial AM has opened up bandwidth for various ethnic language programming which is a cool development

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:45 (three weeks ago) link

I listen to the radio a lot — usually local NPR station unless:
It’s wait wait (unbearable)
It’s the insipid local daytime show
It’s a holiday and they’re playing the most unlistenable shit ever: a radio play

Still prefer PBS newshour, Amna & Lisa for president, Lisa’s cat in charge of homeland security

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:47 (three weeks ago) link

We also recently had some major cuts to Chi Public Media that ended the sister station that played local music and was p much the only place to hear it. :(

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:48 (three weeks ago) link

the most unlistenable shit ever: a radio play

Lol.. I listen to all ghostly & supernatural radio plays on BBC Sounds

The CBS Radio Mystery Theater was already an oddly anachronistic format by the 1970's.. just the eerie opening music makes me super nostalgic, I used to listen to it on a old tube Philco in bed... free episodes here: https://www.cbsrmt.com/

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

I used to fall asleep to those as a kid!

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:26 (three weeks ago) link

The only good thing our local npr does is host a two hour old timey radio show with things like gun smoke.

Comfortably numbnuts (Heez), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:29 (three weeks ago) link

every time i hear the beginning of wait wait don't tell me i almost drive into a tree. on purpose. because it fills me with dread. its all so terrible...

― scott seward, Wednesday, April 10, 2024 2:51 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is exactly how I used to feel about Prairie Home Companion. Except it would require me taking the wheel, because I was usually in the backseat with my parents playing it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:33 (three weeks ago) link

sexy or stuffy?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/business/media/npr-suspends-business-editor.html

scott seward, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:38 (two weeks ago) link

A longtime (now former) NPR staffer responds to the Berliner piece:
https://slate.com/business/2024/04/npr-diversity-public-broadcasting-radio.html

She acknowledges that NPR is an "organizational shit show," but not because of wokeness:

"And that’s what the core editorial problem at NPR is and, frankly, has long been: an abundance of caution that often crossed the border to cowardice. NPR culture encouraged an editorial fixation on finding the exact middle point of the elite political and social thought, planting a flag there, and calling it objectivity."

jaymc, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

i just read this linked on the political thread about PBS's Buckley doc.

https://prospect.org/politics/2024-04-17-an-implausible-mr-buckley/

scott seward, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:33 (two weeks ago) link

"caution that often crossed the border to cowardice" is a good description of that doc apparently. though i haven't seen it because ugh i was just glad when he finally died i don't need to watch a doc about him.

scott seward, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

one of my closest friends worked at WHYY for several years (and for many more years before that at KQED) and that slate article could have been written by him, it absolutely tracks a lot of the complaints he had about working in public media.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:26 (two weeks ago) link

the final paragraph is the kicker: "I guess that’s why I think Uri is most wrong about NPR’s relationship with the rest of the country. It’s a very accurate reflection of America right now, a place where people won’t admit that good intentions don’t always yield good results, and would rather hide behind the myth of its excellence than do the hard work of making it a reality."

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:31 (two weeks ago) link

looks like that dude resigned

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

yes he'll be whining about being cancelled on podcasts along with Taibbi and other dummies soon

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:47 (two weeks ago) link

Berliner seems like basically a newsroom crank, which every newsroom I've worked in had at least one of and often more.


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